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OOOhh- a retraction.

MS knows how to keep Windows 7 alive in the news a month later. Pretty smart I think- this is obviously all planned PR.

All that anger, all that rage on here yesterday for what? NADA.

Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

OS X has multi-touch support, the MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air and the Magic Mouse.

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post #122 of 170
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So technically Windows mobile is Windows and therefor MS Windows had mobile first??

WindowsCE is not NT or 9x ported to work on ARM.
post #123 of 170
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

OOOhh- a retraction.

MS knows how to keep Windows 7 alive in the news a month later. Pretty smart I think- this is obviously all planned PR.

All that anger, all that rage on here yesterday for what? NADA.

Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

Funny how MS' "deliberate" PR seems to always work out so well for Apple.

Any time MS uses the word "Apple" or "Mac" in a sentence, they end up looking like retards and Apple ends up selling a whole lot more of something.
post #124 of 170
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Originally Posted by Consultant View Post

FAIL. Apple did not STEAL anything from Xerox.

People at Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology, so Apple LICENSED it.
Microsoft then stole it from Apple. FYI to the gullible, anyone can put anything on wiki.

TRUTH: Xerox had invested a million dollars into Apples development while it had no relationship with Microsoft.

Why Microsofts Copy-Killing Has Reached a Dead End:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/1...ed-a-dead-end/

Good hell...I clicked on your link and have been reading all related articles for like an hour now...I'm addicted now...thanks!
post #125 of 170
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The OSX dock bears no resemblance to the Windows Taskbar except for the fact it's at the bottom and allows the selection of running applications.

post #126 of 170
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Funny how MS' "deliberate" PR seems to always work out so well for Apple.

Any time MS uses the word "Apple" or "Mac" in a sentence, they end up looking like retards and Apple ends up selling a whole lot more of something.

Well notice how everyone has been discussing Win7 for the last 2 days ad nauseum?
post #127 of 170
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What makes you think I represent AI?! When you have a discussion with another person you should be clear and concise. You can't simply say because some else did it then I can do it and get away with it. If I made such mistake then I will admit it but I didn't.

Until AI gets video chat and you can see my face will you get 100% clear and concise. In the meantime we need to use common sense.
post #128 of 170
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.....that's what I meant.....

How many times have we heard this.....just this week?

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Obviously- but it was mine's the other day to read AI's mind when they omitted vital information regarding Apple's iPhone profits. But you think you can have it both ways- right? WRONG.

No mind reading was necessary, everyone else got it. But you ignored person after person after person after person who explained it to you. And this was an article that was 12 sentences long.
post #129 of 170
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Until AI gets video chat and you can see my face will you get 100% clear and concise. In the meantime we need to use common sense.

If you can't write in clear and concise manner then may be you should stop posting, take some writing classes, and come back. Otherwise, stop blaming others for your lack of writing and communication skills.
post #130 of 170
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Good hell...I clicked on your link and have been reading all related articles for like an hour now...I'm addicted now...thanks!

Here's a good one too:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM...C7858E854.html

Compare all you like of how behind Microsoft was in desktop technology to Apple and NeXT.

I love this line: "I'd like to point out that I spent much of the 90s disappointed not that Microsoft built Windows upon concepts Apple invented for the Mac, but that Windows was such a poor copy. "
post #131 of 170
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Well notice how everyone has been discussing Win7 for the last 2 days ad nauseum?

We've also been discussing Vista for the last 2 YEARS ad nauseum. That discussion is also what nearly destoyed MS' image and contributed to record Apple gains.

By all means though, let's keep talking about how MS admitted they ripped off Apple.
post #132 of 170
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If you can't write in clear and concise manner then may be you should stop posting, take some writing classes, and come back. Otherwise, stop blaming others for your lack of writing and communication skills.

Perhaps you and you alone should take all what you mention and perhaps an anger management class on top of it since you're the ONLY one who didn't understand the post . Good bye.
post #133 of 170
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We've also been discussing Vista for the last 2 YEARS ad nauseum. That discussion is also what nearly destoyed MS' image and contributed to record Apple gains.

By all means though, let's keep talking about how MS admitted they ripped off Apple.

They didn't- one employee who doesn't speak for MS did.
And everyone likes Win7, except diehard Mac addicts, so I don't quite get the comparison. \
post #134 of 170
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How many times have we heard this.....just this week?



No mind reading was necessary, everyone else got it. But you ignored person after person after person after person who explained it to you. And this was an article that was 12 sentences long.


1.) You haven't- you're misquoting me. Where are the quotes?

2.) What are you talking about? As if I was the only person who didn't get that half a sentence ommission compared to my one word omit. Give it up.
post #135 of 170
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Perhaps you and you alone should take all what you mention and perhaps an anger management class on top of it since you're the ONLY one who didn't understand the post . Good bye.

I am not the one who keeps typing in caps and feels compelled to reply to everyone in the thread
post #136 of 170
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And everyone likes Win7, except diehard Mac addicts, so I don't quite get the comparison. \

Not everyone. I do not like Windows in general, that's 15 years of not liking Windows. I have a Mac for a very short time, I'm not a diehard fan which owns every Apple product and I do not like everything that Apple does either.

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post #137 of 170
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Why does everybody act on here like this is some new EVIL INVENTION of copying that MS is perpetuating.
MMMUUuuuuaaaaaHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the history and very nature of capitalism itself for crying out loud- be it cars , planes , trains, automobiles, hamburgers- you name it.
Such misguided energy. Really! Get over it. Nothing is an exact copy of anything.

No wonder people accuse y'all of being blinded followers of dictator Apple.


Because Microsoft is the biggest consumer software company in the World. They own over 90% of the computer OS and Office suite. Not to mention a big chunk of the server software business and internet browser market. They are also one of the biggest and most recognized company in the World. Period. One would expect that such a company would have the best and brightest working for them. Their RD bugdet alone is most likely equal to the total revenue of many of their smaller competitors. One would expect that every other software company to be copying from them.


Apple, as a whole, may not be consider a small company. But it is a very small software company. And yet, it is their software that that seems to set the standard for others. Time after time.

Apple is also a very small computer hardware company when compared to Dell, HP or Acer. And yet, it is their designs that are copied by others.

Apple is a small and young mobile company when compared to old timers like Nokia, Sony/Ericsson, or Motorola. Whose been in the mobile business since it began. But all the other cell phone makers are trying desparately to come up with an "iPhone killer". Before the iPhone becomes the iPod of the mobile market.

So the bottom line is that Microsoft shouldn't have to copy. They should be the one that everyone is copying from. But it is not in their culture to win over consumers with superior products. It is much easier to copy someone elses work and hope that the monopoly they have does the rest. But they're finding out that it's no longer like the good old days. When they could actually get away with abusing their monopoly to "win" over consumers.
post #138 of 170
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OOOhh- a retraction.
Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

Did you know that Snow Leopard shipped with a re-sizable popup keyboard built right into the OS. If that is not for touch screen applications. What is it for???????

Think and learn before you post.....
post #139 of 170
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

OOOhh- a retraction.

Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

OOOhh- a retraction.
Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

One other thing..... If the Mac Tablet has a touch screen will you retract your statement?
post #140 of 170
The statement "Microsoft copied Apples look" is true, no matter what way you look at it.
Anyone here can bring up any real or imaginary history lesson involving Microsoft, Apple, Xerox, NextStep, Sun, whatever... if that story doesn't end with Microsoft trying to make Windows 7 look like Mac OS X, then you ended the story too early.

If no computer or software company ever copied anyone else, no one reading this thread would be using a mouse or a touchscreen. Heck, you're computer wouldn't even be online, routers and modems weren't MS, Apple, or Linux originals.
post #141 of 170
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Did you know that Snow Leopard shipped with a re-sizable popup keyboard built right into the OS. If that is not for touch screen applications. What is it for???????

Think and learn before you post.....

I do and I have.......

Vista had Touch features first. Did Leopard before it got Snow?? NOooooooooooooo.
post #142 of 170
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One other thing..... If the Mac Tablet has a touch screen will you retract your statement?

Why should I? Vista had Touch first. Did Leopard have Touch before it got Snowed? NOoooooooooooooo.
post #143 of 170
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Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet.

you'd be wrong, yesterday and today.
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post #144 of 170
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...... and Steve Ballmer is a replicant of Steve Jobs!

No, he's the evil twin from a parallel universe.
post #145 of 170
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I love this line: "I'd like to point out that I spent much of the 90s disappointed not that Microsoft built Windows upon concepts Apple invented for the Mac, but that Windows was such a poor copy. "

And that was one of the main reason why Apple lost their lawsuit against Microsoft for copying their Mac OS. Microsoft showed the jury that Windows did not look like the MAC OS. Which looked nothing like the GUI from Xerox. While Windows actually looked more like the GUI found on the Xerox Star computer. Bill Gates stated that both Apple and MS stole their GUI ideas from Xerox PARC. Therefore MS can't be accused of stealing from Apple.
post #146 of 170
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg


Don't be ridiculous. Jobs asked permission to use the Xerox-developed ideas (that shoud be reflected in the wikipedia article). Xerox said okay. Xerox had no vision about how useful it was, Jobs and Wozniak had the vision. They developed the ideas much further than Xerox ever could have.
post #147 of 170
A clearcut case of implausible deniability.

Is there an echo in here?
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post #148 of 170
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Oh god- who cares? It's all perception anyway. People in the US think Henry Ford invented the automobile.

You seemed to care a lot when someone suggested Apple stole from Xerox. Not that you know it's false, you don't care. What a baby you are.
post #149 of 170
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Oh I just thought Apple always invents everything and has them available first. \
I forgot:
1.) Microsoft has a Touch screen PC OS already available but Apple invented it.
2.) Microsoft had the first available Task Bar (since the 90's) but Apple invented it before they released their Dock in OSX.

You are amazing once you get going.

Apple has the best mobile touchscreen (2 1/2 years ago it turned the mobile industry upside down, and nobody's caught up yet). Apple has by far the best touch trackpad of anyone. They have chosen not to put a touchscreen on a computer. I don't get your point - you're saying that because there are PCs with touchscreens, Apple is behind in touch innovation? Hardly.

The taskbar/Doc debate is hilarious also. The 90s Microsoft Taskbar was hardly functional - less so than what Apple was doing. If I'm remembering right, there was a pull-down menu (upper right) that listed your open apps. You could actually have more than one app, and more than one window in the same app onscreen at the same time. Imagine that. Microsoft couldn't.
post #150 of 170
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

You know with This talk of copy cop copy.
Want to
see where a lot of leopard features came from?
And I do mean a lot.

This video is 7 years or older. After the 3rd slide it goes live to an audience.
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8V...=youtube_gdata


So who's copying who? This should quiet a lot of people from both sides.

Transparency has been part of OSX since the beginning and decent windows management is only new to Windows. As for 3D, what function did it actually perform? Probably impressive for Linux fans though.

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post #151 of 170
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Originally Posted by Consultant View Post

FAIL. Apple did not STEAL anything from Xerox.

People at Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology, so Apple LICENSED it.
Microsoft then stole it from Apple. FYI to the gullible, anyone can put anything on wiki.

TRUTH: Xerox had invested a million dollars into Apples development while it had no relationship with Microsoft.

Why Microsofts Copy-Killing Has Reached a Dead End:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/1...ed-a-dead-end/

you complain about wiki cos anyone can put anything on it, then you post roughly drafted?

hahahahaha
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post #152 of 170
That is such BS. First, the GUI concept predates Xerox. Second, Jeff Raskin, one of Apple's famous early engineers, was interested in GUI's before coming to Apple and Apple brought him on board partially for his knowledge in that area. To get Jobs interested as well, he talked Jobs into getting permission to check our Xerox's PARC to get inspiration for a GUI. Apple paid Xerox millions of dollars for the privilege. Further, Xerox's GUI was nothing like what Apple eventually came up. It couldn't be because Apple had to create ways to bring a GUI to an inexpensive computer, whereas Xerox's GUI was designed to work on a computer that costs over $10, 000.

Here is a source that describes the events pretty well.

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Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg
post #153 of 170
look, in the field of technology, especially consumer products, there is inevitably a huge amount of "cross fertilization" among all the competitors. new techniques, new services, new concepts that any one introduces and become popular then spread rapidly throughout the entire industry. Apple has adapted a lot of ideas that others originated for its GUI and services, and vice versa. "adaptation" is a good word to use in general for this constant "borrowing" of ideas from each other. and it's a good thing.

the next level i suppose is "emulation." (def: "match or surpass (a person or achievement), typically by imitation"). if MS were being honest, they would say that in some regards they were trying to emulate the Mac GUI in W7 - and actually that pretty much is what that poor MS guy did say. and i think it is fair - and not negative - to say MS has consistently been seeking to emulate many aspects of the Apple OS since the birth of Windows in the early '90's. when they deny even that they just prove what an utter phony Ballmer is. as if more proof were needed ...

but a flat out "copy" (or pejoratively, a knock-off) has to mean almost a literal reproduction of something. like for example the new MS retail stores, a veritable copy of Apple Stores beyond any possible dispute (adding one or two tweaks is not enough).

i keep wondering about the fate of that poor honest MS guy. i envision him hunkered down at home, unable to go back to MS HQ, shamed, shunned, excoriated, and of course doomed. the leper of Redmond.
post #154 of 170
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They didn't- one employee who doesn't speak for MS did.
And everyone likes Win7, except diehard Mac addicts, so I don't quite get the comparison. \

He speaks for MS. Any MS employee being interviewed and making public statements is speaking for their compnay. Besides, that's all the public sees.
post #155 of 170
Windows copies/borrows/steals something here or there. .. Apple copies/borrows/steals something from Windows. It happens with software and look and feel cannot be copyrighted so Apple learned in the early 1990s. So what people. That's what progress is"
post #156 of 170
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

They are compulsively embarrassing themselves.

Just when one guy from ms who it seems is not a loser, a lier and counterfeiter steps up and gives the company some minimal credit for some modicum of honesty, there come then the corporate honchos to leave (again) no doubt what a sorry bunch of conniving corporate vermin they are, equal to the likes of enron and lehman brothers.

Congratulations again ms, add this one to the gargantuan list of making yourself look absolutely foolish.

What can you do - they don't have SJ's Big Brother presence to control their every breath, thought, spoken word or fart...
post #157 of 170
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You seemed to care a lot when someone suggested Apple stole from Xerox. Not that you know it's false, you don't care. What a baby you are.

Waggghhh.

I don't? You read my mind?
How do you know how I feel or what I care about??
What an odd statement indeed.
post #158 of 170
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Originally Posted by Consultant View Post

Exactly. That's what user joergsi would claim.
http://obamapacman.com/2009/10/micro...nt-plagiarism/

No, I would never claim this!
My intention was to point out that even Apple did some copy-jobs!
I'm just a poor German Brainwashed ex-Xerox employe !

At the PARC there was the first demonstration of GUI with the usage of the graphical elements with a mouse + group working at a document in a Network, that was 35 years ago!

Later on Microsoft has done some copies on Apple's ideas, and the copy of the Apple-Store is just pathetic!

Regards,

Joerg
post #159 of 170
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What an odd statement indeed.

Well TechDud, if anyone knows what an "odd statement" looks like, it would have to be you, as the vast majority of your posts seem to be "odd statements".
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post #160 of 170
If this is MS copying Apple, I hope they continue. I only wish more laptop manufacturers would copy their hardware. Then I wouldn't have to complain about buying Apple's fantastic hardware bundled with their completely inadequate software.
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