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post #41 of 173
11/12/09 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Copying ? I thought they stole it?

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg
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post #42 of 173
11/12/09 at 6:58am
"We're the OS X Design team and Windows 7 was our idea"

This retraction by MS is necessary damage control but foolish.
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post #43 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by benice View Post

I went into a shop the other day to look at some of the PCs with Win7 on them, and I couldn't see anything that even comes close to OSX.

I found myself looking at the Win7 laptop and thinking this is just like XP with a little bit more polish too, and it was nothing like the (re)volution that I'd expected. It just wasn't at all what I thought, even from the odd Win7 screenshot I've seen.

On the desktop were a few things on the side saying stuff like "Click here for" excitement' or something like that and I thought that it was a joke. A few other trivial links on the desktop seemed to be the kind of things that would never slip through the Apple HQ.

I was shocked to be honest and thoughts of getting a Win7 machine for the house quickly evaporated. Can anyone tell me, or put up some screenies, that show where OSX and Win7 are similar and where it looks as good as OSX?

I use Vista, Windows 7, OSX. Non of them look alike. However if you went to a place like bestbuy its hard to get a good feel for Windows 7.

This would be a valid Windows 7 screenshot.

http://blog.brothersoft.com/wp-conte...o_again_01.png
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post #44 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by neondiet View Post

OS X has no touch features? What do you think the iPhone is running: OS X Lite! Why would I want a laptop or desktop with a touch screen anyway? I hate that. Anyone attempting to touch my screen gets slapped for leaving smudgy fingerprint marks behind. It's not as quick and easy to clean as an iPhone.


Because it has more glossy glass than an iPhone's-right? The larger the glass the more of a smudge?
Do you hate touching your ATM's screen running Windows everytime you pull out cash?
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post #45 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg

So what. The first computer company got their tech from dribbles and hints of alien tech.
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post #46 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg

kewel- thanx for that
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post #47 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

...... and Steve Ballmer is a replicant of Steve Jobs!

So why is microsoft opening stores next to apple? and why do they have a guru bar? are those ideas apple has been employing for years now? or did microsoft have these thoughts but sat on them this whole time to implement them?

And what about microsofts smart phone that is revolutionizing the smart phone industry? where is this pink product they're working on, I hear winmobile is truly revolutionary and everyone is breaking their necks to copy its design and feel.

But I guess in your eyes, microsoft is truly the innovative company here and apple is just some side show mimicking everything microsoft does. Didn't Sun and Oracle have to rescue microsoft's acquired Danger database from corruption recently? they moved the system to windows servers and it crashed and burned?
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post #48 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

Looking forward to a denial that the Microsoft stores and Guru Bar copied anything from Apple.

Haha... that would be the biggest lie in the computer industry! Pleeeeeease Microsoft I dare you to tell us all that MS stores weren't copied from Apple.

You can bet that MS had people go into lots of Apple stores, photograph it, listen into conversations with Geniuses and others, make notes about the way computer are presented, look at the labelling, lighting, glass thickness, floor coverings, music choices, screen information etc etc and then bring it all back to Redmond to help write their instructions for the new store builds.
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post #49 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Right- let me know when that Swipe runs two apps (Windows) at once in that MiniME OS. Kay?

Please go back and reread what he wrote, and CAREFULLY.

He's not talking about the iPhone or iPod Touch. He's talking about a recent laptop with the multitouch trackpads. Sure, it's not touching the screen, but it is using touch features originally used on the iPhone/iPod and then transferred to the laptops.
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post #50 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by benice View Post

Haha... that would be the biggest lie in the computer industry! Pleeeeeease Microsoft I dare you to tell us all that MS stores weren't copied from Apple.

Oh right- we all know that Apple invented retail, glass buildings, spiral staircases, t shirts, apple logos, etc.
Did I leave out anything? \
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post #51 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by PersonMan View Post

Please go back and reread what he wrote, and CAREFULLY.

He's not talking about the iPhone or iPod Touch. He's talking about a recent laptop with the multitouch trackpads. Sure, it's not touching the screen, but it is using touch features originally used on the iPhone/iPod and then transferred to the laptops.

It's a non-touch Touch- right?
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post #52 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Oh right- we all know that Apple invented retail, glass buildings, spiral staircases, t shirts, apple logos, etc.
Did I leave out anything? \

No teckstud, you're right. There is no experience quite like being in an Apple store. Not for the products, it's the whole package. I know I sound really fanboyish right now, but it's actually true. I receive shit service in most places except the Apple store. Mind you Canadian customer service is quite lacking compared to the US.
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post #53 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:10am
You know- you never hear Microsoft bragging that their Windows epress check out devices have been used in Apple stores for years. They're above all that.
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post #54 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by fartheststar View Post

No teckstud, you're right. There is no experience quite like being in an Apple store. Not for the products, it's the whole package. I know I sound really fanboyish right now, but it's actually true. I receive shit service in most places except the Apple store. Mind you Canadian customer service is quite lacking compared to the US.

Amazon's built their reputation on service. Isn't there an Amazon in Canada?
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post #55 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:15am
No but, yeah but, no but, yeah but ,no but yeah, but he really didn't say that....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s1C_8qg-e0
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post #56 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by fartheststar View Post

Mind you Canadian customer service is quite lacking compared to the US.

Customer service in the US is pretty poor. Even if you do get someone to help you most of the time they have no clue what they are talking about.
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post #57 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Amazon's built their reputation on service. Isn't there an Amazon in Canada?

Yeah, they are

They don't offer all the electronics.... but ... I always use them. There is one massive book chain here - and Amazon. The retail prices on this particuar box store are always more (which I find weird, prices are printed on the cover of books) combined with crap customer service, I always use Amazon.
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post #58 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

...... and Steve Ballmer is a replicant of Steve Jobs!

Made with defective alpha release parts?
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post #59 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

You know with This talk of copy cop copy.
Want to
see where a lot of leopard features came from?
And I do mean a lot.

This video is 7 years or older. After the 3rd slide it goes live to an audience.
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8V...=youtube_gdata


So who's copying who? This should quiet a lot of people from both sides.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Everybody has R&D stuff like this. The differeReeally. You watchednce is Apple doesn't show theirs off at conferences.

"Looking Glass" is also far from the first project to look at these kinds of things. To say that Leopard got "a lot" of it's features from Looking Glass is a wild exaggeration even based on what is in the video.


Really. Yiibwatcged the whole video and can't figure out what came from looking glass and made it in to leopard) Looking Glass was light years ahead of Aple but they never bright ut to market. Just curious. Have you ever heard of yzDock?
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post #60 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg

FAIL. Apple did not STEAL anything from Xerox.

People at Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology, so Apple LICENSED it.
Microsoft then stole it from Apple. FYI to the gullible, anyone can put anything on wiki.

TRUTH: Xerox had invested a million dollars into Apple’s development while it had no relationship with Microsoft.

Why Microsoft’s Copy-Killing Has Reached a Dead End:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/1...ed-a-dead-end/
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post #61 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:49am
They are compulsively embarrassing themselves.

Just when one guy from ms who it seems is not a loser, a lier and counterfeiter steps up and gives the company some minimal credit for some modicum of honesty, there come then the corporate honchos to leave (again) no doubt what a sorry bunch of conniving corporate vermin they are, equal to the likes of enron and lehman brothers.

Congratulations again ms, add this one to the gargantuan list of making yourself look absolutely foolish.
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post #62 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:49am
PS did you also know that Microsoft came up with the quick finder concept? Again. I'm a mac user but msft never got the quick finder to work. But apple did and called it spotliight. Not an apologist here but the fanboyism from some is just silly and we haven't even gotten into Apple
forgetting Biut thw pros, dropping computer from the BMW Ns bwcomingba consumer cimpNy more interested in iPhone sales then helpingbthe pros. Al thosescreatibes that kept them Live pre iPhone days.

Peace.
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post #63 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:51am
When will MS learn.

MS is not Apple and never will be! MS keeps trying to be Apple (stores, Zune...) and is hilarious because they are so bad at it! They are completely different cultures! (view Balmer's Monkey Boy on stage presence against Job's iPhone debut on stage presence) MS sees Apple and want to be just like Apple (cool, makes quality products, have rabid fans...) but MS has no clue what makes Apple, Apple!

I hate to say it but the Apple PC vs Mac ads are really closer to reality then MS would like to think.

MS & Balmer especially, does not have a clue!

KRR
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post #64 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by krreagan View Post

Made with defective alpha release parts?

Wasn't he in Pan's Labyrinth?




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post #65 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I use Vista, Windows 7, OSX. Non of them look alike. However if you went to a place like bestbuy its hard to get a good feel for Windows 7.

This would be a valid Windows 7 screenshot.

http://blog.brothersoft.com/wp-conte...o_again_01.png

Thanks extremeskater, for the screen shot. I went to a pretty generic home electronics store over here in Australia so not that different from best buy I think. I think you're right I need to really see Win7 at home and have a proper play with it away from the store.
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post #66 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:57am
Everytime I see a picture of Balmer I see (young) Frankenstein... except stupider
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post #67 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:59am
This (linked) piece of news was also posted here on AI some time back, if I remember right. It is pretty much says it all. They can deny all they want but they'd be better advised to stfu. Or maybe just SB should stop sending out such give-away memos. The über-dork.
http://www.windows7.cc/general-discu...re-like-apple/
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post #68 of 173
11/12/09 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Consultant View Post

FAIL. Apple did not STEAL anything from Xerox.

People at Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology, so Apple LICENSED it.
Microsoft then stole it from Apple. FYI to the gullible, anyone can put anything on wiki.

TRUTH: Xerox had invested a million dollars into Apples development while it had no relationship with Microsoft.

Why Microsofts Copy-Killing Has Reached a Dead End:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/1...ed-a-dead-end/

hmm,

http://www.me.utexas.edu/~me179/topi...ght/case2.html

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post #69 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:00am
A KGB former agent in his memoir once said; " When Russia wants to confirm any suspicion about the West and the USA, we make the suspicion in a public statement, and once the West make a public denial, we know we are right". Never believe it until it is officially denied.

And here it is so with Microsoft. What a shame!!!!
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post #70 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

hmm,

<snip>


Ever heard of the anti-competitive practices of Microsoft?

MS was found GUILTY by both US and European governments.

As to the copyright case, Apple did not apply proper intellectual protection to its properties.

In addition, at that time people don't really understand copyright. Heck, people now a days still don't understand / respect copyright. There are always people willing to buy inferior knock offs.
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post #71 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:11am
The denial only concerns "style", such as the goo-goo-glassy windows, not substance. The substance of Mac OS X is still out there as having been copied. (And if you think I'm splitting hairs, you better believe a lot of attention was paid to the precise wording of the denial).
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post #72 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Wasn't he in Pan's Labyrinth?

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post #73 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by krreagan View Post

When will MS learn.

MS is not Apple and never will be! MS keeps trying to be Apple (stores, Zune...) and is hilarious because they are so bad at it! They are completely different cultures! (view Balmer's Monkey Boy on stage presence against Job's iPhone debut on stage presence) MS sees Apple and want to be just like Apple (cool, makes quality products, have rabid fans...) but MS has no clue what makes Apple, Apple!

I hate to say it but the Apple PC vs Mac ads are really closer to reality then MS would like to think.

MS & Balmer especially, does not have a clue!

KRR

yes they do have a clue, as stupid as they may appear...
microsoft is a machine designed to copy from other people and to put competition out of business, they do not care about the customer, they hate customers
unfortunately, the real innovators, do not apply enough protection to their intellectual creations as it has been said...and that's why we have psystar as well
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post #74 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:22am
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chronster;1519519

Thank you! I've saved it.
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post #75 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by joergsi View Post

Nope, Apple has stolen from XEROX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

regards,

Joerg

Really?! Since we are in the Wikipedia realm, you take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...user_interface

People make up stories they want on this issue.
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post #76 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Just as I said yesterday , OSX has no touch features yet. So who's copying who? When does the Touch come out with SL Touch?

Do you have a touch screen Mac made by Apple that we never knew about?! Whats the point of built in touch feature is there is no Apple hardware to use it?!

We will get touch feature when Apple release computers with touch screens. Meanwhile, there is Modbook, which is a modified MB with touch screen tablet style.
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post #77 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:24am
Bull.

Cat's outta the bag, MS.

BUSTED.
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1713.jpg
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1685.jpg
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post #78 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

Next up: Microsoft store is not imitating the Apple store. Sure Microsoft, sure...

Exactly. That's what user joergsi would claim.

Only the gullible would believe Microsoft.

Microsofts 2009 Press Release calls the Scottsdale, AZ store as "the opening of Microsofts first-ever retail store." Somehow Microsoft forgot they opened a FAILED retail store in 1999.

But that's not all. Microsoft also calls the design of the Store Uniquely Microsoft.

How Microsoft copies the Apple Store, and MS multi-fails
http://obamapacman.com/2009/10/micro...nt-plagiarism/
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post #79 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Really?! Since we are in the Wikipedia realm, you take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...user_interface

People make up stories they want on this issue.

Oh god- who cares? It's all perception anyway. People in the US think Henry Ford invented the automobile.
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post #80 of 173
11/12/09 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Consultant View Post

How Microsoft copies the Apple Store, and MS multi-fails
http://obamapacman.com/2009/10/micro...nt-plagiarism/

Regarding your link: Why does Obama swear by Blackberry?
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