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Their mentor hasn't shown up yet either.

Let me guess- the recherché one?- who's profile name means extreme egocentrism? The one who says certain things are never gonna happen because it doesn't fit into Apple business model cause he knows Steve's innermost thoughts? He truly is the leader of their pack.
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Right?

Absolutely. Seen with my own eyes. I was in Montpellier on the day of the Opening.
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Do you have a source?

I suspect you are correct, but it would be an interesting study.

I think I remember a big study about how people walked by an apple store and it "sucked them in" more than other stores or something.

Oh I'm sure people go into them without planning to- they are striking looking. But I wouldn't imagine them buying a big ticket computer impulsively- maybe an iPod.
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If your going to try and use big words at least understand what context to use them in.

If you're going to use words at all, at least use them correctly.
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The publisher has plans to eventually create digital versions of all 18 of its titles through a new publishing form being created by Adobe called AIR.

Adobe Air is not "being created." It's an existing software platform that's used, for instance, for online subscriptions to the New York Times. In use it's something like an amalgam of Adobe Reader and a web browser, with the embedded fonts and defined layout of Reader, but the links, paging back and forth and of course web access of a browser. Adobe Air is currently at v2.0, and although it could still use some more development, it's a fairly capable program.

In actual use it's not simply a clone of the printed publication, but offers an on-screen version plus interactive navigation features.
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Apple greed for a tablet at $2,000 is preposterous.

Allow me to help you out with your reading comprehension problem: There's nothing in this article to indicate that Apple is considering, greedily or otherwise, a $2000 price for this possibly non-existent tablet device of unknown technology or capability. The article merely cites a Taiwanese publication's estimate that an OLED tablet might have to be priced at that level based on their current understanding of component costs.

Quite how you get from estimates about speculation based on rumour to "Apple greed" I don't know. Could personal bias possibly enter into it? Preposterous indeed...
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Apple greed for a tablet at $2,000 is preposterous. We already have Zinio to read magazines on our Macs and serious book readers have the Kindle, B&N Reader, etc for $300. If only APple had given us a 7-10" notebook (not netbook) 2 years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Its not for nothing that the 13" MacBook Pro is Apple's best selling Mac- it's its small size.

The 13" MBP is also the cheapest MBP model which is probably why it's the best selling.

I agree that $2k is way too much for what will essentially be a larger screen iPod Touch according to the rumours I've read. It will need to have a mass market price tag, whatever that is.
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Wow, people see $2000 and completely forget that the rumor mentions an $800 tablet as well. OLED won't justify a doubling in price to many consumers, it would have to have significantly upgraded internals as well. If this rumor is true, which is a big if, I think these devices would be very different from each other (arm vs intel, iPhone OS vs OSX, "i" branding vs mac branding). I'm still skeptical of using OSX on a tablet due to usability concerns (I think they would still have to give you a track pad and physical keyboard, but that hasn't made tablets popular in the past), but that is really the only way this rumor makes any sense to me.
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Why would anyone think this tablet would be a simple e-reader? If anything, it will be a full fledged PC in tablet form. At a minimum, I would expect nothing less than at least iPod Touch capability.

I doubt it will have anything to do with Adobe other than PDF. If anything, the push for HTML 5 capability we've seen with Safari will be the direction they go with. Flash is (hopefully) becoming irrelevant to Apple.

I could see people paying $2000 for a 10" touch screen with ultra thin form factor. Not a lot of people, but some. It will be a status type thing.

The benefit to everyone else is that it gets the price of OLED down in the end, which is all I care about.
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IF Apple are going to be making an OLED model, and I LOVE OLED, they won't make a second LCD model. That would be too confusing.

No, if they make an OLED model they'll only make it and make it at a price that is less than what Digitimes thinks possible. Gut feeling says Apple won't make an OLED one for at least another year, at which point, if they do they'll drop the LCD model. So we're looking at the initial tablet being an LCD model, much to my dismay.

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OLED for tablet with functionality of e-reader?
I thought OLED technology would consume much more battery with white background, that is the normal way for reading.
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IF Apple are going to be making an OLED model, and I LOVE OLED, they won't make a second LCD model. That would be too confusing.

No, if they make an OLED model they'll only make it and make it at a price that is less than what Digitimes thinks possible. Gut feeling says Apple won't make an OLED one for at least another year, at which point, if they do they'll drop the LCD model. So we're looking at the initial tablet being an LCD model, much to my dismay.

That seems more logical than two tablets. LCD until OLED costs come down. Sounds something like what Apple did with the original iPhone and the 3G.
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Apple greed for a tablet at $2,000 is preposterous.

I pity them having to defend themselves on rumored products with rumored prices, rumored technologies and rumored specs. Apple cannot control what digitimes writes, don't call them greedy until you see the product and know its price. Then you're welcome to make any judgement you want. Until then you're just getting yourself worked up over a rumor.

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We already have Zinio to read magazines on our Macs and serious book readers have the Kindle, B&N Reader, etc for $300.

A serious book reader would likely rather read an actual book, but I do agree e-ink is the next best option, and OLED or LCD aren't designed for reading full books, if you care about your eyes. That also said I do not think the Kindle is worth $300, even if they can not sell it much cheaper.

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If only Apple had given us a 7-10" notebook (not netbook) 2 years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

What discussion?

The MacBook Air is the best laptop I've ever owned, and doesn't suffer the sluggish performance issues that are inherent in 7-10" netbooks, and notebooks for that matter. Apple said the reason they went with a 13" model is to give users a full-size keyboard, and I happen to think that's not merely marketing, but rather that they are being sincere in what they say there. The keyboard on the Air is excellent and would not work anywhere near as well in a smaller size. Software keyboards are not same thing, so don't go there, please.

So although they didn't give a number of Mac fanboys what they wanted when they released the Air, I think the Air was the better move on their part, and I'm glad I own one. I own the SSD model, and you only need loot at my (current) signature to know my experiences with that.

Apple releasing a tablet is a completely different matter, which I have been known to discuss to death in the past. It's a different thing, and some people will always want a physical keyboard on their Mac, and the Air and products like it will be there for them when they do. Whatever size the Air is or was when it was released wouldn't change the fact that Apple has and would have had regardless some kind of touch-screen tablet in their product pipeline. The iPhone put that train on its tracks and there's going back.

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I pity them having to defend themselves on rumored products with rumored prices, rumored technologies and rumored specs. Apple cannot control what digitimes writes, don't call them greedy until you see the product and know its price. Then you're welcome to make any judgement you want. Until then you're just getting yourself worked up over a rumor.



A serious book reader would likely rather read an actual book, but I do agree e-ink is the next best option, and OLED or LCD aren't designed for reading full books, if you care about your eyes. That also said I do not think the Kindle is worth $300, even if they can not sell it much cheaper.



What discussion?

The MacBook Air is the best laptop I've ever owned, and doesn't suffer the sluggish performance issues that are inherent in 7-10" netbooks, and notebooks for that matter. Apple said the reason they went with a 13" model is to give users a full-size keyboard, and I happen to think that's not merely marketing, but rather that they are being sincere in what they say there. The keyboard on the Air is excellent and would not work very well in a smaller size.

So although they didn't give a number of Mac fanboys what they wanted when they released the Air, I think the Air was the better move on their part, and I'm glad I own one. I own the SSD model, and you only need loot at my (current) signature to know my experiences with that.

Apple releasing a tablet is a completely different matter, which I have been known to discuss to death in the past. It's a different thing, and some people will always want a physical keyboard on their Mac, and the Air and products like it will be there for them when they do.

The air is too big. A smaller form notebook with a modified keyboard would suit me and others better who never fell for the thinness feature. The smaller full powered laptop is the 13" MBP and hence the best seller.
As for the discussion on the tablet. If a small 7-10 notebook running full OS was avilable what need would there be for a tablet running iPhone apps?
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The air is too big.

I have owned one for 8 months, it's not too big. It's a slim, light, sturdy, fast, excellent portable computer with a superb keyboard and a great screen. There is no one computer that will suit everyone's needs perfectly, Apple made a call. They chose to include a full-size keyboard, and go for higher performance than they otherwise could have with a smaller screen dimension.

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A smaller form notebook with a modified keyboard would suit me and others better who never fell for the thinness feature. The smaller full powered laptop is the 13" MBP and hence the best seller.

Price is the reason the Air doesn't sell like the MacBook.

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As for the discussion on the tablet. If a small 7-10 notebook running full OS was avilable what need would there be for a tablet running iPhone apps?

The tablet will not run iPhone apps, the tablet will not run iPhone apps. If the tablet runs iPhone apps I will be completely shocked. FYI all we really need is food and shelter, so give up on these arguments.

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I don't imagine Apple will use an OLED screen if it will increase the costs by $1,000. There's just no benefit worthwhile enough to do this, and whatever they do with their operating system, I'd imagine it will use light backgrounds, not dark backgrounds.
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Price is the reason the Air doesn't sell like the MacBook.

Price? More like looks and power.
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The tablet will not run iPhone apps, the tablet will not run iPhone apps. If the tablet runs iPhone apps I will be completely shocked. FYI all we really need is food and shelter, so give up on these arguments.

It could run them as widgets of some sort if they liked.
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Price? More like looks and power.

Target demographic. There aren't so many people out there interested in paying extra money for the reduction in weight and size. I know some college students and people in business like realestate who like their MacBook Airs very much. I would never buy one.
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Price? More like looks and power.

looks? Aren't you one of the many who complain about the "racoon" look, which the air lacks?

And the macbook air is meant to be a portable type-writer. Its not lacking power unless you bought it for the wrong reasons.
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If your going to try and use big words at least understand what context to use them in.


Will you two stop whining. Extremeskater, maybe that comment 70% of Apple shopper are teenagers that are never going to buy anything is a little astronomical. But even still I goto the apple store just to see their new products with no intension of buying them. anantksundaram was justing trying to enlighten us all that Apple Retail store are kicking ass with $6,600,000,000 in sales. So you two calm down already.

Onto the OLED...
HAHA, no way did apple pay 500 million for 500,000-1 million OLED screens. A tablet with an OLED would just be absurd. It is a fairly new and unimplemented technology and in my mind would do an inferior job than a LCD. While I'm sure Apple R&D could make the technology work fabulously with the OLED, Apple makes products for the masses now. This rumor is bogus, show me another Apple product that you gained one feature for double the price. (ie LCD vs OLED)
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In the end the initial offering will be 1 model. The technological capabilities are changing by the month. Fast forwards in abilities. One would expect delays since advancements are right around the corner. When it finally debuts it will be $800, 1 model, and will change the world. Will revolutionize learning and school and be the catapult into the Individual Creative Content Age and jumpstart the global economy.
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Will you two stop whining. Extremeskater, maybe that comment 70% of Apple shopper are teenagers that are never going to buy anything is a little astronomical. But even still I goto the apple store just to see their new products with no intension of buying them. anantksundaram was justing trying to enlighten us all that Apple Retail store are kicking ass with $6,600,000,000 in sales. So you two calm down already.

Onto the OLED...
HAHA, no way did apple pay 500 million for 500,000-1 million OLED screens. A tablet with an OLED would just be absurd. It is a fairly new and unimplemented technology and in my mind would do an inferior job than a LCD. While I'm sure Apple R&D could make the technology work fabulously with the OLED, Apple makes products for the masses now. This rumor is bogus, show me another Apple product that you gained one feature for double the price. (ie LCD vs OLED)

How about crt imac to lcd imac?
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I did notice that the redesign of the LATimes.com web site looks suspiciously touch-friendly. Think they know something we don't?

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I did notice that the redesign of the LATimes.com web site looks suspiciously touch-friendly. Think they know something we don't?

I wish AI would become so. \
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While I'm sure Apple R&D could make the technology work fabulously with the OLED, Apple makes products for the masses now. This rumor is bogus, show me another Apple product that you gained one feature for double the price. (ie LCD vs OLED)

Apple can not make a current technology work fabulously. What they are good at is taking outdated hardware putting it in a nice case and charging twice as much. However they have at least tried to get with the program by offering their first quad core. Something I already had 2 years ago.
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In the end the initial offering will be 1 model. The technological capabilities are changing by the month. Fast forwards in abilities. One would expect delays since advancements are right around the corner. When it finally debuts it will be $800, 1 model, and will change the world. Will revolutionize learning and school and be the catapult into the Individual Creative Content Age and jumpstart the global economy.

We don't spend that kind of money in our schools. Kids are lucky of they have 5 years old notebooks in schools here.
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looks? Aren't you one of the many who complain about the "racoon" look, which the air lacks?

And the macbook air is meant to be a portable type-writer. Its not lacking power unless you bought it for the wrong reasons.

A portable type writer? True dat and an expensive one at that!
By looks I mean the size and thinness- looks like a toaster oven tray. But you're right - the screen at least has no black border which I do like.
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A portable type writer? True dat and an expensive one at that!
By looks I mean the size and thinness- looks like a toaster over tray. But you're right - the screen at least has no black border which I do like.

The new 2010 Macbook Air.

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At 2000.00 they might as well not even bother. There isn't anyone thats going to pay 2000.00 for any tablet. Not that I think this article is accurate, this is just someone pulling numbers out his butt.


Let the arguing begin ... all of the "experts" like you and techDud voicing an opinion on a device that doesn't even exist at this time, all saying how wrong Apple is/would be. Me, .... I think I'll wait to see what Apple has "up their sleeve" before I pass an opinion.... otherwise I'd look like a fool ... and you guys have that ground covered.

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Let the arguing begin ... all of the "experts" like you and techDud voicing an opinion on a device that doesn't even exist at this time, all saying how wrong Apple is/would be. Me, .... I think I'll wait to see what Apple has "up their sleeve" before I pass an opinion.... otherwise I'd look like a fool ... and you guys have that ground covered.

Did you read the new thread. The price has already been reduced to 700.00....LOL
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Right. Just like there were lines out the doors of every Apple store with fanboys camping for days when the Macbook Air was release. Please. Give me a break. There is a limit you know. At 2K, virtually no one would buy.

About 35 years ago (yeah, I'm a real old fart), I came across a guy name Kizumi Suzuki; we'd spent the summer in Santander learning Spanish, I was starting med school in the fall in the Canary Islands, and he was going to the school of diplomacy. We stayed in a cheap hostel in Madrid and what he did every night impressed the hell out of me, even though it took me decades to fully realise the sheer brilliance of his simplicity. Every night, he'd wash what he wore that day and hung it up to dry. The next morning, he donned the now-dry items; he never unpacked his suitcasenever.

In May of '08, I flew from Bristol to Bergamo to revel in the Mille Miglia race; not to belabour the point, my luggage never arrived; it hit me that it afforded me the perfect opportunity to see if I could do The Suzuki, as I now call it. The challenge was how light could I travel. The £25 tee shirtsthey dry in 2 hours and £75 sweatersdry in four hours from Rohan seem expensive until you realise that they let drop your carrying weight to a very manageable 5 kg, 6.5 if you include running shoes and a brolly. I was in the states last november for two weeks and didn't need anything more than fit in that overhead bag. The heaviest thing by far was the computer. The real issue for those of us who write and need our data with us is the weight of the carry-on. My old powerbook weighed 3 kg; the MBA weighs 1.5. Would I spend $2000 to drop another 1 kg from the only piece of luggage I use for travel?

You betcha

Have you ever seen the swiss cheese that cyclists make of their expensive bikes to drop grams of weight off their steeds?

Any one who questions paying $2000 for a better and light pencil just doesn't get it. It's the MBA market and we're waiting for this product
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Most of the time 70% of people in an Apple store are teenagers either playing around with the isight on an iMac or using an iPhone they are never going to buy. If Apple charged admission to get into their stores you would be able to throw a gernade in there and not hit anyone.

So who's doing all of the buying ... when their retail stores are setting $$$ per store numbers that are so high that M$ feels obligated to copy right down to locations and stealing staff to duplicate the Apple experience even 'tho they don't have the product.

Extreme, sometimes, in your rush to say something, anything bad about Apple,you forget to switch on your brain. I know you're smarter than that ... please think before you post .... we don't need another clueless TechDud.

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So who's doing all of the buying ... when their retail stores are setting $$$ per store numbers that are so high that M$ feels obligated to copy right down to locations and stealing staff to duplicate the Apple experience even 'tho they don't have the product.

Extreme, sometimes, in your rush to say something, anything bad about Apple,you forget to switch on your brain. I know you're smarter than that ... please think before you post .... we don't need another clueless TechDud.

My comment had nothing to do with Apple sales. Not sure if you have ever been in an Apple store or have done most of your shopping online. If you have ever been in an Apple store you would know they are over run with teenagers just taking up space. Its why Apple was once thinking of charging a low admission to enter their stores. To be honest I think it would be a great idea so I could shop with people just looking to buy and not ones that want to use facebook and take endless pics with the isight cam.
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I'm going to posit that there is no chance at all that an Apple Tablet will merely, or even mostly, be an e-reader. That's completely nuts. Nonetheless, it's worth looking at that application to see what Apple is going for and what technologies make sense in that light.

Let's look at the publishing industry. Look down. No, look farther down. See that rapidly receding figure about to go splat at the bottom of the cliff? No, farther down. Yeah, the speck. That's the publishing industry. They are looking at what Apple did for the music industry and thinking that maybe they want a piece of that. Circulation of physical media is down sharply, and physical media is expensive and labor-intensive to produce.

Now, let's look at the Kindle. Superficially, it solves this problem, except for one little tiny thing: It offers roughly the same reading experience that users of NCSA Mosaic experienced on the web in 1995. The font is always the same. The background is always the same. Images bring back fond memories of the days when .xbms roamed the web. The design that remains is one step above what you can get by downloading books from Project Gutenberg and reading them in TextEdit. This leads to two other problems that a heavy user of the Kindle that I know well has run into: First, as there are no pages, it's useless for scholarly work: You can't generate footnotes. Second, and far more serious, is the problem that since all books look and feel exactly alike, they all blend together and it becomes difficult and tedious to figure out exactly where that passage is that you're looking for, or to remember who said what.

For these and for other reasons, publishers really sweat things like paper and margins and typeface when they set a document up for print. In the case of magazines, there's a house style; in the case of books, each is a one-off. But everything from the weight of the type to the feel of the paper is part of the experience of reading a book or an article. Would the New Yorker still be the New Yorker in Times New Roman?

Fortunately, Apple has a handle on publishing. They have a handle on presentation. Solving the problem of how to most effectively bring publishing into the electronic age is right up their alley. They just have to look at the problems and how to solve them. The stickiest wicket is almost certainly font licensing. Books and magazines can use pricey fonts from legendary foundries because the font itself never leaves the publisher. But if you typeset your document in, say, Sentinel and then e-publish it, Hoefler & Frere-Jones would like to 1) have some say in the structure of that license, and 2) have some assurance that people won't be able to extract the font they got with a $2 magazine and use it for free. HTML5 does not solve this problem. Adobe AIR does. The foundry gets paid, the magazine or book gets its distinctive look, and the reader gets to associate (and merge) the visual impact of the font and layout with (and into) the contents of the book. If there are pages then 1) that's another win for designers, and 2) the e-reader can be used for scholarship, not just for entertainment, making it better not only for scholars, but for students.

The tactile feel would be gone, but I can imagine using a visual sample of real paper instead of just blank white as a background, and including a page-turning sound appropriate to the size and weight of the "paper" when the reader flips a page, to come as close as is practicable to replicating a book. There can be all sorts of advantages, like dog-earing pages and writing in the margins non-destructively.

Then comes the hard part: Apple has to make this run and run well on an ARM processor without putting an undue strain on the battery.

If Apple pulls this off, they can do for textual publishing what the iTunes Store did for music publishing, and they can use the iTunes Store to do it.
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Everytime I go in there- its teenagers on facebook or myspace hogging up the machines or genius bar problems.

TechDud, if you had even one nopad ( it takes 10 nopads to make a clue) you would realize that people who are "playing" with a mac today .... are tomorrows customers, but I guess that's a concept too sophisticated for your tiny, biased mind!

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Apple can not make a current technology work fabulously.

mp3 = iPod
original smartphones = iPhone

Extreme, if you're trying to show us how stupid and irrelevant your posts can be .... you've succeeded! Congratulations.

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TechDud.

Try not to sink to that level. Although the guy is wacky to say the least, I try not to resort to that sort of name calling. I know you mean no harm, I'm just trying to keep the peace round here.

When he gets too much I usually go tell him to have a coffee or a nap, it's for the best.

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Did you read the new thread. The price has already been reduced to 700.00....LOL

Just another opinion or rumor ..... something else you can share your expert views on.

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How clueless can anyone be?

it depends upon what you consider to be successful. If it is like AIR the launch could look really good with the fanboies and all. Three months down the road sales will tank due to the more rational customers rejecting the value equation.
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Because of the form factor and the yet-to-be-known feature and functionality sets, they'll sell like hotcakes. And they'll be way out in front of any competition, as usual.

It won't be that simple! They might or might not have a feature set people want at a reasonable price.
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You people keep expecting Apple to produce something cheap. Get over it.

It is not an expectation but rather a realization that and over priced device is not going to attract the sales figures it needs to survive. It is also the realization that the electronics here are likely to be extremely cheap. Depending upon Apples success with the SoC construction there might be very few chips on the PC board. If they can build the PC board for less than $125, including flash and networking support then the rest of the unit will not be much more than that. So all up we might be talking $300 to get the unit out the factory door. That isn't the price for a dodgy unit but rather for a 40nm SoC with two processors and a really good GPU. Apple should be able to easily quadruple the performance of iPod Touch on a PC board not much bigger than Touch's and frankly not at a much higher cost.


Dave
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