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post #41 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:40am
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Personally, I would never, ever, send an email to Steve Jobs that wasn't perfectly formed at the very least.

Nor would you probably ever look him directly into his eyes if you ever saw him as he's your supreme being.
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post #42 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:42am
I'm guessing that you see the intense irony of your remarks here and are making a joke?

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Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree. ... Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks. ... A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

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No but I'm thinking about pissing in your cheerios tomorrow morning and make you eat them.

In the first place, what Steve said was so brief and so factual, that any "asshole-ishness" you detect is most likely projection. Secondly, you prove the point by indicating where the anger and bad behaviour is really sourced, i.e. - yourself.

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post #43 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree.

I really can't wait until there's a real competitor to Apple. Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks.

A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

Oh, now I know why you were rude to me in a post the other day. Somehow I had missed the type of poster you are. Sorry I wasted the time when replied ... obviously pointless.
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post #44 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:45am
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In the first place, what Steve said was so brief and so factual, that any "asshole-ishness" you detect is most likely projection. Secondly, you prove the point by indicating where the anger and bad behaviour is really sourced, i.e. - yourself.

Matched only by your delusion.

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Personally, I would never, ever, send an email to Steve Jobs that wasn't perfectly formed at the very least

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post #45 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree.

I really can't wait until there's a real competitor to Apple. Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks.

A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

Hello? Anyone home?

He has ALWAYS been like that. If anything, it seems as if he has mellowed a slight bit over the years.

He could have just said STFU.


And I thought it was "steve" with a lowercase "s".

Thats how his signature is "steve jobs".
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post #46 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:49am
Yet I would really like that snippet to be my signature.

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post #47 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Duh? And lawyer's usually work for and represent who?
Answer: Clients- and in this case Apple.

Hello?

Indeed, as I said, you pointed out the o-b-v-i-o-u-s.

How slow can you be. Can't you read more than 3 words in a row?
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post #48 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by PersonMan View Post

"devolved?" "have become?"

While I won't go as far as to say Jobs is "a fuckhead to the highest degree," I will say that Jobs has always been an "asshole" and "an arrogant little prick." Go to folklore.org and read the stories written by people who worked on the original Macintosh project and you'll see what I mean.

Except reports more recent than the 1980's, describe him as a "fun guy to be around" that's "always joking."

I'm getting so tired of this "Steve is an asshole" meme. It hasn't had much evidence to support it for more than 20 years now. He's demanding at times, he says what he thinks. So what.

I've been known to swear at Bus drivers occasionally, that doesn't make me evil incarnate either. Sometimes people need dressing down. It's good for them. If the developer had been corrected a few times as a child instead of "encouraged" to the point of idiocy, he wouldn't have found himself writing a weepy letter to one of the century's strongest personalities hoping to get a commiserative response.

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post #49 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:50am
These guys probably crapped themselves a bit when they got the letter, and not knowing what to do and probably not able to afford a lawyer to ask, they just sent Steve an email trying to ingratiate themselves. Fact is, Apple can come under serious legal constraints if they don't protect their trademarks as fiercely as possible. It may seem like a minor issue, but imagine if any company that wanted to could use the term iPod because it became genericized?
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post #50 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:53am
Being a multi-billionaire, you'd think he could buy an apostrophe.
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post #51 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree.

I really can't wait until there's a real competitor to Apple. Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks.

A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

I think someone is feeling like they need some attention...
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post #52 of 214
11/20/09 at 7:57am
So I haven't read one post questioning the validity of this story... what's up with that?
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post #53 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:01am
Very Nice Steve. I like. This is how more business should be conducted.

"Thanks for stealing our coined-term for your name. Now, can you please grow up and change it, so we can both avoid the legal hassle and we don't end up giving you a ton of undeserved publicity? Thanx"
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post #54 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:02am
the app name exactly decribes the service provided
and so ipodrip should be allowed to exist as long as the writers >> heart felt plea states he has apple running in his blood thru and thru and has only done good by apple

steve was wrong
steve blew a great chance to show some mercy to the tiny little people who exist only to please his holiness

i guess we all some how mistake apple for a caring entity
they don't care
no buisness ever did

this topic has 100 percent agreed with steve
except me and that kim bim bap dude


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post #55 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree.

I really can't wait until there's a real competitor to Apple. Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks.

A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

First of all, AI doesn't have a language filter. Would you mind fixing your post?

Second, Steve Jobs has always been that way. And it suits the industry just fine. It suits customers just fine. Developers keep flocking to the iPhone. As long as Apple rolls out incredible products and acts within the bounds of the law, he can ride a goat around the office in the nude for all I care and make barn animal sounds while on conference calls. So long as such things are permitted.

Steve was acting according to Apple's rights re Trademark law. There is no negotiation. The solution is simple and Jobs advised them accordingly.
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post #56 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:07am
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So I haven't read one post questioning the validity of this story... what's up with that?

Apple sues left and right over their "names"- why would anyone question it?
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post #57 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:09am
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So I haven't read one post questioning the validity of this story... what's up with that?

This story is just barely fit for wrapping fish anyway. Who cares what one whiny crybaby developer wrote to Apple? Revolting.

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post #58 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

First of all, AI doesn't have a language filter. Would you mind fixing your post?

Second, Steve Jobs has always been that way.

So you're agreeing with Kip Kap's names and descriptives?
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post #59 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:11am
if the terse reply was atypical I suppose the guy could get a tad peeved. but it was not. Terse = Job's replies to emails. Has been for quite some time. Johnson, Schiller etc are the ones that send more than two sentences, when they bother to send anything.

also, no way was Steve going to give the okay for a company that didn't ask to use the iPod trademark to keep using it. To do so opens up a huge can of legal worms. His reply really should have been "This is a matter for the legal department." But he pointed out to them that (thanks to this day of DRMfree etc) the issue is just the name. so change it. issue over.

These guys would have gotten that letter a lot sooner than the legal department not been dealing with patent suits, Psystar etc. Because they were using the mark, the letter wouldn't have been sent if they had permission and Apple can't allow that precedent to be set because 'protecting your mark' is a key factor in keeping it.
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post #60 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:11am
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the app name exactly decribes the service provided
and sp ipodrip should be allowed to exist as long as as the qwriters heart felt plea states he has apple running in his blood thru and thru and has only do ne good by apple

steve was wrong
steve blew a great chance to show some mercy to the tiny little people who exist only to please his holiness

i guess we all some how mistake apple for a caring entity
they don't care
no buisness ever did

this topic has 100 percent agreed with steve
except me and that kim bim bap dude


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Wow.

Steve was nice to respond at all. I probably wouldn't have. He certainly didn't have to.

It really is no big deal. The Web page can say "formerly called iPodRip" and there will be no confusion.

Frankly, they are lucky the lawyers didn't come done on them years ago for the functionality of the software. It's a feature that Apple could have easily included, but specifically didn't (presumably to make it harder to use iPods to steal music--to not make it easy for me to lend you my iPod and suck off all the music). It's an odd situation because it's actually good for Apple that this app exists, but they can't be seen to be endorsing it.

Anyway, Steve handled it fine. Like someone else pointed out, any "assholeness" you detect in the message is coming from the reader.
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post #61 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by JonathanC View Post

Being a multi-billionaire, you'd think he could buy an apostrophe.

If you're a multi-billionaire, youre allowed to dispense with it.
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post #62 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

also... steve@mac.com

he grabbed the first iTools email address, I got the second.

I remember a Macworld Expo or WWDC keynote a few years ago where Steve Jobs was demonstrating some kind of email capabilities and as part of his demo he typed in this email address, steve@mac.com. It got a big laugh, but yeah, I guess he would have had first dibs on the names.
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post #63 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by Techboy View Post

What does John expect from Steve? Changing the name of a product is not like asking them to ceasing making it and want a chunk of money from them. That said, if it's not that "big of a deal" why bother suing the small company?

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steve blew a great chance to show some mercy to the tiny little people who exist only to please his holiness

Apple had to send that letter and would have to sue. Trademark laws require that you protect your mark or you will lose it. Apple does not want ipod to go the way of aspirin, xerox and kleenex and become a generic term for a personal music player. If they let one company use the mark without permission, then another company can use that as a legal precedent to attempt the same thing and could win. Especially when the first was a company that used the mark for 6 years without any complaints from Apple. Not to mention those millions of downloads which makes it likely that someone at Apple would know about the software at this point. Non action would be seen as permission.
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post #64 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by kim kap sol View Post

Steve Jobs has really devolved into an asshole -- a fuckhead to the highest degree.

I really can't wait until there's a real competitor to Apple. Apple and Steve Jobs have become arrogant little pricks.

A preemptive fuck you to anyone that disagrees with me. Yes, that means *YOU*.

LOL...this guy is a real tool.....he should start a website called.....hmmm...."Posting obvious knowledge from the 80's"

Hey I got one for you!!!...."Eddie Van Halen has really evolved into an iconic Rockstar....screw anybody who disagrees with me"

Thanks for the insight Einstein!
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post #65 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:27am
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Wow.

Steve was nice to respond at all. I probably wouldn't have. He certainly didn't have to.

It really is no big deal. The Web page can say "formerly called iPodRip" and there will be no confusion.

Frankly, they are lucky the lawyers didn't come done on them years ago for the functionality of the software. It's a feature that Apple could have easily included, but specifically didn't (presumably to make it harder to use iPods to steal music--to not make it easy for me to lend you my iPod and suck off all the music). It's an odd situation because it's actually good for Apple that this app exists, but they can't be seen to be endorsing it.

Anyway, Steve handled it fine. Like someone else pointed out, any "assholeness" you detect in the message is coming from the reader.

i love steve
no mistake there

i just simply see apple changing day by day
how ever micro that change may be .

as for odd situation you mention it helped sell sold tons of 2nd /3rd gen ipods >> this app yet allowed apple to sell with clean hands as regards to RIAA .

i agree with you that this is no big deal either way and the writer did go way over board with his plea and his praise.

this shareware company provided a service that allowed people's to take their songs from their ipod to rip to their computers
HENCE the correct name IPODRIP .

The name should have been allowed to stand or the inventors should have been paid $17,000 per lettrer of said name and or a single item top five placement in the APP store for 38 months .

APPLE RECEIVED an incredible amount of free value from these shareware dudes.

steve knows better . or he did at one time
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post #66 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:27am
Perfect display of what makes Apple the genius it is - everyone else is blabbing out wasteful and unnecessary technology while Apple just cuts to the brilliant essence of an idea.

The problem with emails sometimes is that we can forget the effectiveness of fitting concise thoughts and arguments onto a single page - a succinct opening sentence and a couple quick meaning supports - end of story. At least that way you don't feel so played when someone cuts the crap out of it and reduces it to a simple response
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post #67 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

nice.

That told em

Apple records to Apple computer: Change your company name. Not that big a deal.

:-)
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post #68 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Perfect response by Steve. Just change the name. Moron.

Nope, you're the moron for adding that to an otherwise sensible post. Implicit in the reply is the fact that to fight it is pointless, it will be less trouble than to get all upset and you can get on with selling your software. There is no judgement. No morons, no fuck heads. Only the people who imply the inference. Personally I think it ridiculous that the name iPodRip cannot be, but that's another story. Go to ipodrip.com and guess where it takes you? Not that hard, really.
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post #69 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:32am
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nope, you're the moron for adding that to an otherwise sensible post. Implicit in the reply is the fact that to fight it is pointless, it will be less trouble than to get all upset and you can get on with selling your software. There is no judgement. No morons, no xxxx heads. Only the people who imply the inference. Personally i think it ridiculous that the name ipodrip cannot be, but that's another story. Go to ipodrip.com and guess where it takes you? Not that hard, really.

cool down and edit you bad words
now
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post #70 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:36am
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The Web page can say "formerly called iPodRip" and there will be no confusion.

no they can't. that would still be marketing using the trademark.

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this app yet allowed apple to sell with clean hands hands as regards to RIAA

We don't know the conditions of the contracts with the labels that required DRM etc. but I will bet you that blocking ipod to computer copying was part of it, which is why the early itunes couldn't do it.

If true, then it is possible that Little App had to hack some kind of access control to make their ripper work. Which is as much a DMCA violation as the crap that Psystar was pulling. So if Apple was aware of the program, they would have had to suit it down all together. Or risk a suit of their own for not upholding the rules of their contract (at the least the labels would have started pulling out of the Store).

For whatever reason, Apple ignored/wasn't aware of them. And now that the whole DRM on music is over, no big deal. So they let slide the hacking part. but they can't let slide the trademark usage. But rather than just send a 'we are suing you' letter, they do as they did with Microsoft over the tv ads. A gentleman's contact that they are aware of the violation and expect it to be resolved by the offender with all speed or other methods will have to be used (ie, a lawsuit).
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post #71 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:36am
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Apple had to send that letter and would have to sue. Trademark laws require that you protect your mark or you will lose it. Apple does not want ipod to go the way of aspirin, xerox and kleenex and become a generic term for a personal music player. If they let one company use the mark without permission, then another company can use that as a legal precedent to attempt the same thing and could win. Especially when the first was a company that used the mark for 6 years without any complaints from Apple. Not to mention those millions of downloads which makes it likely that someone at Apple would know about the software at this point. Non action would be seen as permission.

APPLE ALLOWED SAID SHARE WARE name to exist for over 70 months
apple also directed countless consumer's to that site to add value to its own product // apple implied by the 2 reasons i have stated that this name was a viable approved name .
Apple does not have such a clear win here
apple would win of course
apple would also have to pay some compensation

thank you for responding to me

peace

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post #72 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

Apple records to Apple computer: Change your company name. Not that big a deal.

:-)

I guess you missed a couple of things in your time.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_C...Apple_Computer
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post #73 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:42am
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Go to ipodrip.com and guess where it takes you? Not that hard, really.

All of this took place in the last few days. Domain registrars take up to 72 hours for a change to filter around the system.

now if in two weeks that address still works, you've got a huh? on your hands.

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apple also directed consumer to that site to add value to its own product

No they didn't. Apple never directed consumers to any such site. Some members of the staff, particularly at the stores, might have on their own mentioned the program, but Apple as an official recommendation never happened. If it had, the developers would have used THAT as the point of defense (you knew about the program cause you put it up on your site) not 'we are such a great and popular program and we gave them something you wouldn't so you should be thanking us, whine whine'.
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post #74 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

no they can't. that would still be marketing using the trademark.



We don't know the conditions of the contracts with the labels that required DRM etc. but I will bet you that blocking ipod to computer copying was part of it, which is why the early itunes couldn't do it.

If true, then it is possible that Little App had to hack some kind of access control to make their ripper work. Which is as much a DMCA violation as the crap that Psystar was pulling. So if Apple was aware of the program, they would have had to suit it down all together. Or risk a suit of their own for not upholding the rules of their contract (at the least the labels would have started pulling out of the Store).

For whatever reason, Apple ignored/wasn't aware of them. And now that the whole DRM on music is over, no big deal. So they let slide the hacking part. but they can't let slide the trademark usage. But rather than just send a 'we are suing you' letter, they do as they did with Microsoft over the tv ads. A gentleman's contact that they are aware of the violation and expect it to be resolved by the offender with all speed or other methods will have to be used (ie, a lawsuit).

great sane valid points
yet why o why ?
did apple direct people the offending site ???
they directed me to that site and also to a movie rip site .

you can't have it both ways ...

OR can you

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PS i cannot imagine any apple person saying anything off hand
bullsnots
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11/20/09 at 8:45am
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steve knows better . or he did at one time

It's more complicated than that. If you allow one, you've potentially opened the door to allowing all. As CEO, he now has $180B in (partly brand name-based) market cap to protect. It is his fiduciary obligation to do so.
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11/20/09 at 8:49am
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It's more complicated than that. If you allow one, you've potentially opened the door to allowing all. As CEO, he now has $180B in (partly brand name-based) market cap to protect. It is his fiduciary obligation to do so.

agreed
but
the old steve would have compensated these people quietly and moved on
this is a unique situation of course
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post #77 of 214
11/20/09 at 8:52am
This is not new. Apple "asked" developers and product manufacturer to refrain from using word "iPod" in their name(s) years ago.
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post #78 of 214
11/20/09 at 9:09am
Hey, existing users of iPodWhateverApp, we're changing our name and adding great new features - click here to download WhateverAppPro for free.

Problem solved. Moving on.

Nicely said, Steve.
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11/20/09 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I guess you missed a couple of things in your time.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_C...Apple_Computer

And how does that change the fact that Apple Computer was sued by Apple Corps records and originally lost?
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11/20/09 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by cherrypop View Post

This is not new. Apple "asked" developers and product manufacturer to refrain from using word "iPod" in their name(s) years ago.

iPodlounge is now called iLounge for that very reason.
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