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Google's Android is working to match the iPhone App Store's mobile software market but with fewer restrictions for developers. This article is the fourth in a series examining how Android stacks up in comparison to the iPhone as a smartphone software platform, with this segment looking at third party support.

Articles in this series:
Inside Google's Android and Apple's iPhone OS as core platforms
Inside Google's Android and Apple's iPhone OS as business models
Inside Google's Android and Apple's iPhone OS as advancing technology
Inside Google's Android and Apple's iPhone OS as software markets

Previous articles in this series have examined the underlying core technology and business models used by Apple and Google to create their smartphone platforms. This segment looks at how each platform compares in terms of third party software offerings and the market for those apps available to both users and developers, and how they stack up against previous attempts to deliver third party mobile software markets. On page three, there's a direct comparison of the Android and iPhone software stores, along with some serious issues affecting the platforms' futures.

How important are different mobile software platforms? Microsofts chief software architect Ray Ozzie recently told his audience that, among smartphone platforms, "all the apps that count will be ported to every one of them." However, this summer Google's VP of engineering Vic Gundotra said that even his well funded company does not expect to port its apps to every platform, insisting that "we're not rich enough to support RIM" and every other proprietary smartphone platform available.

Ozzie's claim is not just challenged by Google, but also belied by the reality that popular platforms always get the best apps first, if not exclusively, and that this makes a huge difference in how attractive the platform is to users. Microsoft knows this is the case in video games, where relatively poor sales of the Nintendo GameCube and the original Xbox resulted in far fewer gaming titles for those platforms compared to the PlayStation 2. Microsoft subsequently worked hard to fund differentiating, exclusive game software for the Xbox 360.

Every other consumer market for products capable of running third party software has similarly required unique offerings to stand out and attract hardware sales that could stoke demand for additional software development in order to keep the platform fresh and popular. While the total number of available apps isn't critically important, the quality, variety and depth of third party offerings are. It is clear that there will not be a large number of successful smartphone platforms that every developer will spend equal resources porting their apps to; there will be winners and losers.

Success and failure in third party mobile software

Apple's iPhone App Store and Google's Android Marketplace are widely considered to be the two most viable mobile software platforms today. Apple boasts a library of more than 100,000 iPhone apps while Google touts around 11,000 apps for Android; both stores are growing rapidly. However, long before Apple and Google first announced their plans back in late 2007 to create mobile platform Software Development Kits for the iPhone and (future) Android phones, a series of smartphones with their own SDKs had existed for more than half a decade.

Symbian, Palm OS and Windows Mobile have been marketed to both users and developers dating back to the beginning of the decade. Other software platforms capable of running across multiple mobile operating systems have also existed for years, including Sun's Java ME (J2ME), Adobe's Flash Lite, and Qualcomm's BREW. These have been broadly licensed among phone makers and adapted by certain vendors such as RIM's BlackBerry or Danger's Sidekick (both of which run specialized Java ME software), LG's Flash Lite phones (such as the Prada, Chocolate, Dare, Venus, and Voyager) and Verizon phones that use the BREW platform to rent game applets through the "Get It Now" service.

Considering how long these various alternatives for creating and selling mobile software have existed, it may seem puzzling that Apple's App Store was able to make such an immediate and profound impact on the mobile software business. What made Apple's entry into the market so successful? In order for Google's Android (or any other aspiring platform) to catch up to and surpass the iPhone App Store, it will have to figure out what has worked in Apple's favor and what has resulted in the failure of other earlier platforms.



Third party mobile software success: development tools

Some pundits credit Apple's robust development tools, its market buzz and media attention, or its status as the first mover in its field as being the reason for the company's current success; these factors suggest that a challenger could simply swoop down and take Apple's business away by doing the same thing on a grander scale, an implication that frequently references how Microsoft Windows overshadowed the Macintosh in the mid 90s. None of those factors are really unique to Apple, however.

Apple's App Store success wasn't merely due to the availability of familiar coding tools facilitating new software. If that alone was the key to Apple's success, the much larger reach and far more entrenched ecosystem of third party developers behind Sun's Java ME or Microsoft's Windows Mobile would have resulted in similar success for those platforms. Java has a strong presence in server applications and has been one of the most popular languages and APIs in computing for over a decade; Microsoft's licensed Windows Mobile devices use a different operating system kernel than Windows PCs, but their apps are created using the same tools and very similar APIs to desktop Windows apps. Both mobile platforms have been available for well over a decade, an eternity in tech time.

Microsoft introduced Windows CE (the core OS inside Windows Mobile) back in 1996 with an SDK familiar to Windows developers. It invested lots of effort in making WinCE a viable mobile handheld computer platform in reaction to the 1994 Newton Message Pad, then a PDA platform in reaction to the Palm Pilot in 1998, then a smartphone platform in reaction to the Handspring Treo in 2002, then a portable media player in reaction to the iPod in 2004. Microsoft is now working to build touchscreen handheld devices in reaction to the iPhone and iPod touch. Despite years of massive investment, Microsoft has now reached its 13 year anniversary of WinCE without having attracted the same kind of attention as Apple's iPhone SDK in its first year and a half on the market.

Clearly, just having familiar and functional development tools is not enough, although it is essential. One of the problems limiting the software available for the Newton MessagePad was that Apple delivered largely unfinished and very unique tools that involved a significant learning curve for coders. Both Android and the iPhone provide adequate development tools, although Apple has a significant head start in having shipped its native SDK.

Third party mobile software success: buzz

The iPhone's software success wasn't merely due to favorable buzz either. The Palm OS once created such heady anticipation for devices running mobile software that by 2000, the company's IPO earned $874 million and the fledgling new company (built on a half decade of work within US Robotics and then 3Com) reached a market valuation of $54 billion, twice that of Apple at its own dotcom peak, despite having actual revenues that were only about a tenth of Apple's. That year, the Palm OS was powering 85% of all PDAs as the company broadly licensed its operating system to power some of the first advanced phones on the market.

Palm's unit sales were hovering around 5 million per year, nothing to sneeze at in an emerging market with so much potential. Palm even began licensing its Palm OS to Sony to create a new line of CliƩ handheld devices. The company also lined up an impressive roster of developers and at one point claimed a library of 50,000 Palm OS apps. And yet Palm's software business never resulted in much actual success for the company or its users, and is now a historical footnote.

Palm's second wind with the Palm Pre and its WebOS this year similarly caught an enormous wave of buzz, but that alone failed to actually result in a sustained success for its second attempt at a software store.

Similarly, Java was once the biggest buzzword ever to grace computing. But while Sun has earned lots of revenues from licensing its mobile version to phone makers, the widely deployed technology hasn't actually created a functional platform nor kicked off any sort of popular and viable marketplace for Java ME developers and phone users with Java ME capabilities, largely because the Java ME platform is so fractionalized between "almost compatible" variants.

It is critically important to generate excitement around a platform, and both iPhone and Android have created lots of buzz. However, Apple has targeted its buzz at iPod users and retail consumers and its own Mac OS X developer base, while Google's buzz has largely been confined to punditry and open source advocates who neither buy a significant number of products nor develop the commercial software that mainstream users want.

Google is not even advertising Android as a brand name. In contrast, Apple now has everyone from broadcast networks to insurance companies to newspapers to rival music services prominently advertising their apps for the iPhone and its App Store within iTunes.

Third party mobile software success: first mover

The iPhone wasn't just first time lucky either. Apple's previous attempt to float the Newton MessagePad in the early 90s as the first mainstream handheld computer platform wasn't successful. Palm or perhaps Symbian could be credited with first mover status in the smartphone industry, yet despite valiant efforts to establish third party development programs, neither has achieved the kind of success Apple has with the App Store.

Danger produced what may be the first functional app store, but could not attract enough third party attention to remain viable. Microsoft purchased Danger and largely dropped it into maintenance mode (without the maintenance), and lots of Danger's original talent has joined Google's Android efforts. However, the ideas behind the innovative software store Danger created have not been put to use by either Microsoft or Google.

Palm and Symbian are now retooling, along with Microsoft's Windows Mobile, to deploy software stores in imitation of Apple. Microsoft's efforts to copy the App Store are lifted clearly from Apple's blueprint, and Windows Mobile kicked off its new Marketplace with thousands of existing developers and their apps created over the past decade and an installed base similar to the iPhone's. Still, Microsoft's store opened with barely a trickle of interest.

The history of high profile failures and reversals of fortune in the mobile business suggest significant potential for Android as a third party software platform, if it can copy what Apple got right and improve upon that. Unfortunately, Google has not copied many of the factors leading to Apple's success, and has instead emulated the course of mobile platforms that haven't done well. The following page outlines how Google's platform strategy differs from Apple in key areas.

On page 2 of 3: Third party mobile strategy, Security, and APIs.

Apple's third party platform strategy

First, take a look at what is unique about Apple's mobile software store. Importantly, it builds upon experience and previous successes. Well before it even launched the iPhone, Apple began selling iPod game software on a small scale to work out the kinks in packaging and delivering mobile software securely in a way that avoids casual theft. Apple also perfected micropayments for music and video in iTunes, paving the way for a high volume, low cost mobile software store. Apple also built on its decade of progress in developing Mac OS X as a desktop platform, so it was able to release development tools that were both mature and familiar to a large number of coders. The iPhone's hardware also clearly evolved under the influence of lessons learned during the development of the iPod.

No smartphone vendor is building upon a success similar to the iPod and iTunes, and certainly not Google, which has never before even sold consumer hardware nor the software to power it. Google's Android business plan is firmly in the beta stage of development. In contrast, Apple's "preexisting conditions" allowed it to deliver the iPhone to a primed audience with all the parts in place to enable lush growth in software. Considerable thought had backed up every element of Apple's strategy. Very little was left open to experimentation, even if Apple executives still expressed surprise in the amount and type of interest the store received. The iPhone was building upon a combination of iPod 6.0 and iTunes 7, not a fledgling new beta concept.

Additionally, the company carefully staged the iPhone's deployment to only deliver what it could reasonably achieve. Apple shipped the iPhone for a full year before launching its SDK and store, building up an installed user base of about 5 million users. Once it opened the store, it could unleash a flood of new software and new buyers, creating a tidal wave of positive coverage. The company then continued to rigidly follow its own strategic plans, largely ignoring pundit demands that it do things differently.

As important as what Apple did was what it did not do. The company didn't announce all of its future plans in advance, didn't attempt to instantly achieve feature parity with existing smartphone platforms at launch, and didn't allow third parties to set expectations or minimum standards for its own platform's software titles. Instead, the company frequently surprised users with positive news of new features, deflected comparisons by focusing on the platform's strengths, and carefully guarded how its App Store library developed. That involved taking heat from critics who fumed about yet unknown details, staying silent as pundits assailed the iPhone in specific niches (first in software, then in push messaging, then in hardware peripheral support), and acting out a role as the bad cop in policing app titles while bloggers turned themselves inside out about app rejections and store rules.

In retrospect, the company clearly made the right decisions. Rather than getting bogged down in efforts to explain its strategy, Apple kept its new store perpetually in the headlines with a series of status announcements timed to drop at regular intervals. Instead of desperately trying to defend comparisons of the iPhone platform to Windows Mobile in features or Symbian in reach, Apple focused on the unique value it was adding and its ease of use. And rather than ceding control of the App Store to third party developers, Apple maintained control over its development to avoid allowing the store to develop a reputation of being crass or seedy or sloppy or unfinished or full of nagware.



Third party platform management styles

While Apple was (and still is) roundly criticized for exerting too much control over its App Store, the flip side is that there are no real malware problems and, despite a lot of shovelware, there's lots of quality apps to pick from at reasonable prices. Still, the company has maintained a conservative stance that has frustrated developers who want the platform to move more quickly. Apple initially held back trivial titles and fart apps, hoping to establish a serious streak of software; that restriction has since been relaxed. Similarly, restrictions on mature content have been loosened following the company's unveiling of new ratings support in iPhone 3.0 that enabled parents to set management controls on their children's App Store access.

Apple is still busy hammering out policy in the App Store, and developers are still finding reasons to be annoyed with the company. Rogue Amoeba recently threw up its hands in frustrated disgust after Apple's app approval system flagged its Airfoil app as inappropriately using the company's own trademark icons and graphics, despite the fact that Airfoil was using these in an appropriate way that happens to be supported by Apple on its desktop Mac platform.

The company's task of setting reasonable rules to manage the influx of tens of thousands of new iPhone apps is frequently challenged and critiqued, but nobody in the industry is doing a better job. On one hand, Microsoft is seeking to exert even more control over its own third party mobile software store, asking its developers to pay fees for every app submitted to the Windows Mobile Marketplace and angering developers by denying apps repeatedly, charging new fees each time an app is rejected. This has resulted in stagnation of the Windows Mobile Marketplace, the absolutely wrong thing to do just as sales of Windows Mobile phones to users plummet. By the time the store becomes viable despite Microsoft's crippling rules and micromanagement, there won't be any customers left.

At the other extreme, Google enforces much less control over content or presentation for apps listed in Android Market. While Google reserves the right to block unauthorized distribution of its proprietary Android apps, it doesn't mandate that apps have to look great or have to follow any strict guidelines, and there's doesn't seem to be any sort of restriction on potential third party copyright issues, such as selling emulators designed to run other platform's video games.

This lack of restriction has resulted in clear difference between the apps available for Android and those for the iPhone. Android has become the tinkers' destination, not the place where developers go to make money. This has created a wide gulf between the slick, commercial offerings in the App Store and the experimental hobbyist offerings in Android Market.

Given Android's current installed base, Google can't really erect significant restrictions on software. Even without much management in place, Android's offerings are still pretty bare. The biggest problem for Google, however, is that once its market takes off, the latent problems of permissive platform management will grow into serious problems. Security, commercial legitimacy, and professional presentation are all factors Google seems to think will solve themselves. The history of Windows suggests otherwise.

Sloppy security policy: this all happened before

Unlike Apple, Google's business model is patterned after Windows Mobile, which itself is modeled after the desktop Windows. Microsoft has never exerted much in the way of quality control over Windows developers of any kind. On the PC, this has resulted in a platform that has a legacy of reaching backward to accommodate poorly written third party software. A significant reason why Windows hasn't been able to keep up with the pace of Mac OS X development over the last decade has been that Microsoft faced much more pressure to cater to third parties. Without decisive efforts by its vendor to move things forward, the Windows PC platform has repeatedly stagnated.

One example is Windows Vista's efforts to push the adoption of modern desktop operating system features such as an advanced compositing graphics engine like Mac OS X's Quartz. Vista's new changes resulted in reduced performance and compatibility problems with existing software that initially helped impede its adoption among users, which prevented third parties from leveraging the new features, which prevented users from gaining new reasons to try it. Balancing new features against legacy compatibility has long been a difficult issue for Windows, and promises to be critical problem affecting Android as well. Apple faces this too, but the degree of control it exerts over its platform helps to manage such issues before they can affect users.

Another problem endemic to Windows has been security. The platform's ubiquity, combined with Microsoft's initial naivety about security practices, resulted in a new low in expectations being set for PC users. Users accept security exploits as an inescapable eventuality, are conditioned to install and maintain background antivirus software from third parties, and have no reason to trust downloaded software. Software has always been exploitable; the new problem Windows introduced was a complete lack of any intuitive understanding about how users could protect themselves.

Rogue apps can install themselves for reinstallation in the Windows Registry after being cleaned away, and can hide invisibly in the background. On other operating systems, notably Mac OS X, users are simply more aware of when potentially dangerous things are happening because they must authenticate software installations and are warned about the source of software they attempt to run. The application firewall can encrypt and sign apps to prevent them from being modified without the user's knowledge.

On the iPhone, security has been ratcheted upwards another notch with all software being only available through a trusted source, co-signed by the developer and Apple as trusted parties. If an app goes rogue, Apple can pull it from the store and potentially shut it down remotely by revoking the developer's certificate. Apps can't install in the background and do things the user is unaware of after the app has been quit. Under Android, none of these practices have been applied. Google is running its mobile platform with the same mentality of Microsoft in the mid 90s: anything goes for now and we'll sort of the issues in the future sometime.

Google allows developer to "self-sign apps," which is worthless because anyone can sign their own malicious app. Android developers can also deliver their own apps from any source, so Google has no way to stop the sale of malicious code or to remotely deactivate apps that have gone rogue, such as malware with a time bomb payload or equipped with a viral propagation method. And just like Windows PC apps, Android programs can continue to run in the background and do virtually anything without users even being aware they are running. It took Windows several years before its malware potential blossomed into a full blown global network of spambots and regular virus eruptions causing billions of dollars of damage annually. No problems for Android today does not mean that serious issues will not develop along with Android's installed base.

For Windows on the desktop, Microsoft seemed to think it could simply stuff all this back into the box with some security software patches, but despite concentrated and expensive efforts throughout this decade, it has not been able to stop the widespread problems of viruses and worms on its desktop platform. And while experts like to focus attention on the sophisticated efforts Microsoft has devised to enhance security in Windows Vista/7, the majority of viruses and malware don't need some special operating system access to cause damage. The famous exploits that have targeted the Windows platform to create widespread damage, from Melissa to ILoveYou to MyDoom and Storm, have almost all been user-mode software that tricks the user into starting it and then makes itself very difficult to stop or eradicate. Fancy security features are all worthless in the face of such plain risks.

Apple addressed these security issues head-on in its iPhone software platform, while Google has simply suggested that they won't ever appear, and if they do, that there will be some easy way to clean things up. Microsoft has already spend tens of billions of dollars proving that this is simply not true.

Interestingly, Google's Chrome OS takes a stronger position in security, relegating all "apps" to run in sandboxes within the browser, and simply disallowing alternative apps. This model is much closer to the iPhone's, which similarly sandboxes apps. While Chrome OS simply distrusts all web apps it runs, the iPhone OS accords limited trust based on encrypted signatures. Android currently does neither, although it will likely move more toward the Chrome OS, although that's another year away. Google doesn't have another year to work out a basic security model for Android.

Open to exploitation

Android also shares other problems of Windows and Windows Mobile. One relates to the APIs available to developers. Microsoft is trying to get its mobile developers to migrate toward .NET (the Windows analog of Cocoa), but most Windows Mobile software is still built using the same old familiar Win32 APIs (somewhat comparable to Carbon/Classic on the Mac) that developers have been churning out for the PC desktop since the 90s.

In contrast, Apple created the iPhone to use only one new modern API: its mobile-optimized flavor of Cocoa. It simply gave developers no option to string along Carbon, Java, Flash, or other old API alternatives for building any new mobile applications. The iPhone has one API that every developer uses, creating familiarity and unity in how apps are created in the relatively small community of iPhone development. This makes it easier for Apple to support its developers, advance its platform, and keep control over where the platform is headed. Unlike the Mac, Apple doesn't have to try to accommodate Adobe's terrible version of Flash, for example, which results in most of the system problems desktop Mac users face on a daily basis.

Google introduced Android as a modified Java platform. It's now in the process of rolling out a native SDK for accessing the core OS. This means developers will have two official APIs from Google to weigh for advantages and disadvantages. Additionally, Google is supporting the development of runtimes to host Flash apps and Mono/.NET applications. This will enable Android to "run more code" at the expense of anyone needing to develop software expressly for Android. Why not write generic Flash games that can also be sold to users on BlackBerry, Symbian, and Windows Mobile phones? Why not target .NET instead of the Android SDK and develop software for two platforms? Why not just write Java applets and ignore the native SDK? There's a lot of options on Android.

Google seems to have forgotten the history of Sun's partnership with Microsoft, which was portrayed as a way to get Java on Windows, and instead became a way to tie Java to Windows exclusively, killing it everywhere else. When partnering with rivals, you have to make sure they aren't simply using your resources to do what they want to do. Google hasn't yet been victimized, as its naively simple approach to platform openness demonstrates.

If any company has learned tough lessons about the consequences of allowing third parties and rival vendors to hijack or destroy one's platform, it's Apple. In the last 30 years, it has fended off companies trying to clone the Apple II and the Macintosh, watched as Microsoft hijacked its own Mac apps to create Windows, and ineffectually chased after Sun's Java buzzword. But in the last decade, Apple has figured things out. You don't give away your platform if you expect it to remain around as a viable contender. You don't allow third parties to put you out of business, and you don't funnel your success toward rivals, unless you're in the business of giving away technology for free and closing up shop.

Google's permissive openness to everything betrays a great deal of naivety in its attempts to develop Android as something more than just another mobile alternative. This is because Google isn't serious about building a platform it controls; Google was only out to thwart the success of Windows Mobile in order to ensure that Microsoft wouldn't block its ads and search aspirations on mobile devices. If Android kills Windows Mobile and still fails on its own, Google still accomplishes its goal, and the company will happily continue supporting its Google apps on the iPhone, BlackBerry, Symbian, WebOS, and wherever else it can without direct competition for ads and paid search (as Apple, RIM, Symbian, and Palm are not in the ad and paid search business).

In contrast, if the iPhone were to fail as a platform, Apple would be completely out of the smartphone game. This is why Apple is fighting relentlessly to manage the future of its platform, while Google is simply keeping Android around as a hobby to see if it works out. This makes Android a lot like Apple TV; if that product fails for Apple, it can simply give up and begin licensing iTunes playback on the Wii and PlayStation 3 and Xbox and third party TVs. Apple doesn't live and die on Apple TV revenues, and doesn't really even make any money from its sales, so the thing is a hobby that gets just enough attention from the company to exist. Just like Google's Android.

How have these policies affected the real world software offerings in the App Store and Android Market? The following page outlines how the two stores compare.

On page 3 of 3: Third party apps: iPhone vs Android

Third Party Apps: iPhone

The result of Apple's iPhone App Store strategy of incremental advancement, building on the success of the iPod and iTunes, combined with its relentless efforts to manage its third party software platform and police it from both malware attacks and from third party hijacking efforts has resulted in the top destination for both developers and users. But all is not rosy, despite Apple's great initial success.

Apple restricts third party developers from creating apps that duplicate bundled app features in ways the company says will create confusion for users or for the platform. So, for example, while there are Webkit alternatives available to the Safari web browser, there are no rival third party browsers based on Firefox/Fennec, Opera, or Internet Explorer. Apple hasn't yet rejected any rival browsers, but the lack of any demand for an alternative web browser has prevented third parties from investing in the efforts required to begin one. It is still unknown if Google would bother to port Chrome, its own Webkit browser, to the iPhone to rival Safari, but the advantages to and motivation for Google to do this are pretty minimal. Mobile Safari already defaults to using Google's search, so there's no business reason for Google to compete against it.

Unlike Microsoft, which simply annexed third party developers' businesses to take over more and more of the existing applications markets on Windows PCs (starting with WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 and continuing with Netscape and Java and QuickTime and Borland and Notes and RIM's BlackBerry Enterprise Server and so on), Apple has defined its own complete platform and given third parties a limited playground to add their own value outside of that. This is similar to Apple's Mac OS X strategy, where the company has created suites of first party apps which face little competition: bundled apps like Mail, Address Book and iCal; iWork productivity apps; and iLife creative apps.

Apple's third party developer issues

Apple's management style on the iPhone has also raised some ire among developers and users who would like the ability to install programs that work in the background just like Apple's own bundled apps can. Apple partially addressed elements of this need with a centralized Push Notifications System, but there's other applications that this feature does not address. Services like Pandora radio or VoIP apps or user location tracking apps such as Google Latitude all want to sit in the background and continue to work while the user does other things. Apple currently doesn't allow any of these things.

The company says the downside to allowing these types of features relates to battery life and system performance, and that it would also open up the platform to new types of malware attacks. Apple's current strategy to simply outlaw such practices has indeed prevented predictions of iPhone malware attacks from ever materializing. Certainly, any news of a real malware or spyware threat on the iPhone platform would outweigh the ability of iPhone users to constantly report their current position to Google so that friends could see where they were.

Google's Android platform doesn't have a malware problem yet, but it also has nowhere near the installed base of the iPhone. Both will grow together. If a high profile viral or spyware attack were to hit Android phones, it would cause a serious black eye for the platform that simply being able to run Latitude wouldn't make up for.

Apple's third party pricing model

In addition to efforts to block malware, Apple's security system for iPhone apps also greatly limits casual theft. This results in a broad, viable commercial market for iPhone apps of all kinds, supporting the high volume sale of software priced very low. Mobile developers have previously needed to set their app prices significantly higher in efforts to get something from the minority of users who actually pay. By spreading costs equally among all users, Apple has created a software store where users reward innovative development with dollars. In contrast, RIM and Microsoft have encouraged higher price points for software in their respective stores, hoping this will benefit developers. At this point, it only discourages users from buying new apps.

Similar to its sales of music and video in iTunes, Apple has deliberately set prices low to kill off rival efforts at short term profiteering. As a result, it erased the business model of rivals trying to rent music or raise song prices. The App Store uses the same low cost pricing strategy in mobile software to expose the overpriced ringtones and rental software that providers like Verizon have tried to market in the past. By keeping prices low and sales volumes high, Apple will effectively prevent other stores from turning a profit until they can either build up a similar installed base or raise their software prices, both of which are very difficult to do at this point. Software stores that actually want to compete will have to follow the course of Amazon and lower their own prices; the problem is that unique mobile software is much more difficult to create and sell for cheap than existing music and movies that have been licensed from a label or studio.

Finally, Apple's vigilant efforts to siphon all iPhone development through its own Cocoa tube has exercised Apple's own development platform and dealt a serious blow to Java ME, Flash and .NET as lowest common denominator development tools instead. All the excitement Apple has created around its own mobile platform has directly benefitted its own tools (something that spills over to benefit desktop Mac development as well) and its own software store (as Cocoa apps for the iPhone aren't trivially ported to other mobile platforms). This compounds every dollar Apple invests into the iPhone, creating a halo cloud around iTunes, the iPod, and the Mac as well.

Third Party Apps: Android

Android users hope that Google's openness (including allowing unsigned software from any source to run in the background) will result in a broader, more varied mobile software market than Apple's. This certainly has enabled Android to pick up the efforts of developers who can't sell their software to iPhone users due to Apple's rules. However, Google's ambivalence to the needs of serious, commercial development has also prevented mainstream developers from flocking to its mobile platform. Currently, Android has both lots of what the iPhone lacks, but very little of what the iPhone boasts.

The biggest problem for Android is that is it far behind the iPhone in market share and installed base. This problem is supposed to be resolved quickly as more phone makers release Android phones. However, the already fractionalized market for Android apps is becoming more and more divided as vendors release phones with unique features that tug at developer's attentions.

The new Verizon/Motorola Droid, for example, sports a very high resolution screen that begs for specialized development. However, the more popular HTC Android phones already on the market have conventional resolution screens, meaning developers will have to choose between targeting one or the other, or duplicate their efforts to reach an combined audience that is still a tiny fraction of the size of the iPhone.

Android version control

Additionally, as new Android phones are released with new versions of Android that last year's phones can't even install, the installed base of Android will fail to compound. A key facet to Apple's App Store success is that virtually all apps run on any model of iPhone ever sold, not to mention the iPod touch, which is now adding another wide swath of users to Apple's App Store installed base. The continual churn in differentiating features being sold among Android hardware makers will work against any snowballing of Android market share into a greater installed base. Instead, the modern installed base will keep resetting to zero, just as Windows Mobile repeatedly did as new versions appeared which only worked on new phones.

And while Apple has cleanly deployed new operating system features at annual intervals, Android's development is managed more like Linux, where new platform features are incrementally advanced, starting with partial support and gradually getting to the point of being refined and usable. This is another factor that works against a cohesive installed base, as different vendors introduce phones with different versions of Android, each with proprietary add-ons and modifications that prevent predictable upgrade cycles. The mainstream version of Android will always lag behind the latest version of Android, unlike the iPhone market where phones are rapidly pushed to the latest version under Apple's control.

Google offers its Android software to any maker, but it works exclusively with certain manufacturers to develop new phones that show off the latest features, a decision that continually undermines the efforts of other partners. HTC was Google's first major partner with the T1 running Android 1.0 and then Hero running Android 1.5. But when Google released Android 2.0, it did it in an exclusive arrangement with Motorola that made HTC's existing phones look dated and old. Even Sony Ericsson's new phone is expected to run Android 1.6 next year. That not just an issue for hardware makers, it's a problem for users and developers.

Android is for hobbyist shareware

Combined with the problem that the main attraction to developing for Android revolves not around commercial viability, but rather around ideological demands for unrestricted development freedom, this has resulted in a hobbyist developer base that has produced a library of software that looks a lot like what's available for desktop Linux users: homebrew games and niche apps that were shared by their original developer rather than titles reflecting the demands of users.

Just like the problem of its fractured installed base, this hobbyist developer community is poised to create more problems than time can work out on its own. Users who buy a T-Mobile G1 or HTC Hero or Motorola Droid in preference to the iPhone will quickly discover that Android apps aren't just a growing subset of those available for the iPhone, but a completely different type of selection.

Writing for TechCrunch, a site that frequently advocates for Android, Jason Kincaid admitted, "If there was a theme common to nearly every Droid review, it was that Android's app selection just doesn't cut it compared to the iPhone."

He added, "reviewers are finding that Android has a weaker selection of applications than the iPhone not just because some of their favorite apps aren't there, but because actually browsing the Market just isn't as enjoyable as what Apple's iTunes offers." Kincaid went on to recommend that Google completely redesign the Android Market to work more like iTunes.

Reading Android forums, you'll get the sense that one of the most popular Android apps is TasKiller, a utility to stop running apps in the background to free up system RAM, similar to Task Manager on Windows Mobile. That's the app that Scott Forstall, Apple's senior VP of iPhone software, boasted that iPhone users wouldn't have manually manage. He referred to it as a game that tests users' computer science skills in identifying programs that are safe to kill.

There are other major differences in what's available in the App Store compared to Android Market. For example, despite having around ten percent of the number of titles of the App Store, Android has no significant, advanced games. In fact, it really doesn't have any great games at all. But this isn't just because of Google's Android Market hobbyist-oriented policies and casual platform management.

200MB should be good enough for anybody

Android Market has no real games (or other significant apps) because the platform was designed around phones with a tiny amount of storage for apps, the same specification that most Windows Mobile phones use. That's because Google didn't really create a modern reference design for Android phones, it just made its Android software work on the existing Windows Mobile reference designs that Microsoft created. It should not be a surprise that Android leader HTC is a Windows Mobile shop, and that the Motorola Droid originated as a Windows Mobile device that was co-opted to serve as the flagship for Android 2.0 via Verizon's marketing budget.

All commercial apps for Android phones currently have to fit into the 256MB of onboard storage (512MB on the Droid), a limit in both phone design and in Android software. Since Android itself uses up most of this memory (the 512MB Droid has about 200MB free after loading Android 2.0) this limits users to theoretically installing a maximum of 20 apps at around 10MB each. That's a pretty severe limitation, but a ridiculous roadblock for games that are anything more than doodle puzzles.

The iPhone and iPod touch supply at least 8GB of storage, which is 32 times as much memory as most Android phones provide. Considering that a game can easily weigh in at tens of megabytes (Aurora Feint is 41MB; SimCity is 30MB; Spore Origins is 98MB; Super Monkey Ball is 125MB; Apple's Texas Hold'em is 130MB; Modern Combat: Sandstorm is 271MB; Monkey Island is 426MB; Myst is 727MB), plenty of iPhone-quality games couldn't even load on an Android phone, let alone install along with a dozen other sophisticated games.

From the start, Apple created a design wholly independent from other smartphone makers. Rather than shipping a device with the least amount of storage possible and including an SD card slot, the company used its massive iPod leverage in buying Flash RAM to pack the iPhone with plenty of storage, something that other vendors only began to do later. Even today, few vendors provide nearly as much RAM storage as the iPhone 3GS. The BlackBerry Storm 2 only provides 2GB of onboard storage. The Palm Pre uniquely packs on 8GB, an indication that Palm inherited the influence of Apple's iPod hardware developer.



SD Cards vs onboard storage

Android users can usually pop in an SD card and add as much storage capacity as a high end iPhone (16 to 32GB), but Android Market doesn't allow apps to be stored in this Flash card RAM storage because doing so would require additional layers of security to prevent widespread theft. It would also raise issues for users who swap out different SD cards. Google is still working out its strategy for using the SD Card storage that Windows Mobile phones provide as a preference to onboard storage.

This gives Android developers two options: first, spend lots of resources creating professional-quality games that are each optimized to run on different Android screen resolutions and then try to sell them outside of the Android Market to users who have installed SD cards, and without any theft protection; or second, scale games down to fit into the tiny space available for apps to deliver paid games that aren't very impressive. Either option is death to the reputation of Android Market, disappointing to users who think they have purchased an iPhone-killer, and simply a non-starter for serious game developers.

Some Android backers seem to think that developers will create games that install their executables into the limited RAM area and copy all their graphics and other content into SD card RAM storage. This isn't happening now, and there's no market forces in place to encourage developers to create real games that can be played on Android phones. Even if there were, the convoluted installation would result in additional problems and complexity for users. All of these factors have worked against each other to prevent a viable market for real Android games from ever developing.

Android supporters like to compare the iPhone to devices like the Motorola Droid and conclude that both have similar amounts of RAM installed. The problem is that there are critical differences how that RAM is used by the operating system and how much of it is available for things the user wants to do. In reality, the Droid not only has less RAM available but also has only a tiny fraction of the iPhone's onboard storage RAM that's needed to load apps and games. Specification comparisons never point this out.

Note that storage RAM is used to hold applications and content (much like a PC hard drive). When launched, an app is loaded into the separate system RAM, where it runs along with the operating system. Android phones lack much functional storage RAM, but also end up with less available system RAM because Android 2.0 typically consumes more of the standard 256MB of system RAM than iPhone 3.0.

This is also a factor in why Apple doesn't allow third party apps to linger in the background after users quit the app. While such third party "multitasking" is touted as a feature on Android, it also helps make TasKiller such a popular utility, because there's just not that much RAM available. Apple restricts iPhone multitasking to its own bundled apps, ensuring that iPod, phone, SMS and other background features are always available and not starved for system RAM by concurrent third party apps.



The half baked shareware oven

Android's storage and system RAM starvation problem is so obvious and tragic for any hope of Android ever becoming a viable platform for real games that it simply strains belief that Google even considered that Android users might want to play real games on their phones. And without any real market for games, which make up a 20% plurality of iPhone App Store sales (apart from the 14% of "entertainment" apps outside of the game category), Android isn't going to attract the kinds of mainstream users who also buy other apps.

Beyond games and entertainment, the third most successful category of apps in the iPhone App Store are digital books at around 12% of sales. Are users who go out of their way to find a "free platform" going to support a market that involves paying for books?

Android as a platform clearly doesn't get that success in mobile apps is all about encouraging users to pay for premium content: games, digital book presentation, and other utilities that enrich developers and encourage them to devote resources toward creating new software for the platform. In contrast, the shareware model Android is embracing (and that Google is most experienced with as an ad-supported online developer) hasn't ever resulted in more than a convenience market for software that would otherwise be thrown out.

Significant games don't come from open source and shareware; they come from commercial efforts to deliver professional, robust productions. Apple's contribution has been to figure out how to make casual gaming viable at low cost and high volume. Google seems to think that free and freedom software will do the same thing, despite the technical roadblocks it has erected in developers' path with the ludicrous 200MB ceiling.

The reality is that no matter how many Android phones Google's partners can introduce in 2010, Android 2.0 will never be a gaming platform and the vast majority of these phones (including all current models) will simply never be able to play any advanced games. If Google solves this issue sometime in the future, it will only apply to future Android phones, again lopping off everything that already exists into the waste bin of erased installed base and starting its competitive clock against the iPhone back to zero.

Not aimed at the iPhone

Again, this is more proof that Google didn't think about Android as a viable long term software platform, but only thew out the minimum work necessary to match the capacity of existing smartphones, largely Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, and other historical smartphone platforms that had never done much to support sophisticated applications like real games.

Even Nokia threw in the towel on its N-Gage gaming platform efforts for Symbian after realizing that the iPhone had set the bar far too high to compete against with a legacy phone-game platform. Google makes no revenue from game sales or hardware, so it had no reason to create a capable platform. Android can kill Windows Mobile without having any real games, because Windows Mobile doesn't support real games either.

The result is that Android Market isn't just a smaller version of the App Store. It's more like a free rummage sale compared to an actual retail store. One has products people want at market prices, the other offers eccentric stuff that people are offering to give away. It's pretty hard to slowly evolve a rummage sale into a serious retail operation. In 2010, users who sample Android Market aren't going to begin throwing around money to induce serious development; they're going to either abandon the platform or give up on serious third party software and become shareware hobbyists, just as desktop Linux PC users have done over the past decade.

How Google can catch up

The result of these very different stores isn't just evident in what's for sale. It's also reflected in who buys what. A report from AdMob in August said that "iPhone and iPod touch users are twice as likely to purchase paid apps than Android users," and found that iPod touch users downloaded 80% more apps that smartphone users.

Without an equivalent to the iPod touch and with mostly hobbyist shareware offerings and little to no commercial software such as games, Android Market isn't going to catch up to the App Store just riding a wave of market buzz among pundits.

For Google to have any hope of offering a similar or even somewhat competitive software store, it will need to actively broker third party software support just as Apple did among games developers, and just as Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony do in the console gaming market. Google will also need to set minimum standards for Android phones, laying out expectations for its Open Handset Alliance partners like Motorola and Sony Ericsson so they make devices closer to the iPhone and less like the failed products they built this year and last year and the year before.

It's not clear Google has any interest in becoming a strong mobile platform leader however; currently, it looks like Google expects hardware makers to figure things out for themselves, and for third party developers to simply flock to its platform and invest significant commercial efforts in a hobbyist marketplace where security and theft are not really enforced, where customers don't buy as much, and where there's far fewer customers but far greater difference between phone sets for developers to account for when they build apps.

That means more work for developers, less reward, and less likelihood of future profit and success. No wonder why gaming legend John Carmack told CNBC earlier this month that while he was excited about the prospects of the iPhone, "I have mixed feelings about Android. I've got a warm feeling about the open source model, but a lot of the things that make Linux not-so-wonderful seem to be there in Android. On the iPhone, you know everyone on that device [has the same functionality and hardware], while on Android, youre across the board on a number of different things."

Carmack added, "the [Android] marketplace is also apparently not well handled. And from what I hear, nobodys making a lot of money on these [Android titles].

Until Google focuses on Android third party apps, no amount of advertising and hardware partners and phone models will enable it to be competitive with the iPhone. Just ask Microsoft's Windows Mobile group, or look into the archives spelling out the doom suffered by Microsoft's PlaysForSure hardware and music store partners.
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These charts make sense, but are ultimately meaningless.

The real fact is that everyone knows and most people use Google "EVERYDAY". If Google make this "web" OS, with new technologies like HTML 5, caching and other advancements, companies will make Google ("chrome") OS products, and people will buy them. Especially considering some of the people I know of, that only use the web and think that is the OS. For them Google will get them up and running faster, and will make their computer safer and a better experience than their current Windows situation. Not to mention that the OS will be free, so they'll see savings too. Watch out, I say!

It really is that simple - in my opinion.

Don't make the mistake of underestimate Google here. And ultimately, Android's success or failure here is completely irrelevant. In the first year Google will have more computers in the market through their partners than Apple will that same year IMO. Although, most of that will be taken from the Windows side, and they'll be netbook-like.

Apple is lucky they have this tablet coming. It will give Google a kick in the butt.
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These charts make sense, but are ultimately meaningless.

The real fact is that everyone knows and most people use Google "EVERYDAY". If Google make this "web" OS, with new technologies like HTML 5, caching and other advancements, companies will make Google ("chrome") OS products, . Don't make the mistake of underestimate Google here. And ultimately, Android's success or failure here is completely irrelevant. In the first year Google will have more computers in the market through their partners than Apple will that same year IMO. Although, most of that will be taken from the Windows side, and they'll be netbook-like.

No, it's Chrome OS that is irrelevant to Android.

Chrome OS netbooks will be simple appliances like the XO, not comparable to sophisticated smartphones that need a native third party platform for software. Android is not attracting attention from who matters - like the article says, it's all pundits gushing about it (not unlike the Zune and PlaysForSure). Without third party software, Android will be relegated to being "Google's Linux," and end up powering things like the B&N Nook, where apps don't matter.

And as much as people like to use Google's free stuff, that doesn't seem to have much relevance to whether people will pay (and spend their phone subsidy to buy) a hardware/software system that isn't free, and isn't as good as better integrated devices such as the iPhone, BlackBerry, and Palm Pre.
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No, it's Chrome OS that is irrelevant to Android.

Chrome OS netbooks will be simple appliances like the XO, not comparable to sophisticated smartphones that need a native third party platform for software. Android is not attracting attention from who matters - like the article says, it's all pundits gushing about it (not unlike the Zune and PlaysForSure). Without third party software, Android will be relegated to being "Google's Linux," and end up powering things like the B&N Nook, where apps don't matter.

And as much as people like to use Google's free stuff, that doesn't seem to have much relevance to whether people will pay (and spend their phone subsidy to buy) a hardware/software system that isn't free, and isn't as good as better integrated devices such as the iPhone, BlackBerry, and Palm Pre.

I agree with this. Chrome OS will be regulated to appliances.
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I wish they'd stop putting red titles on these features, they keep making me think something exciting just happened.
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I'm no mobile or app developer, but this Android CNN article is interesting. One paragraph says:

"A slew of problems have made managing Android apps a "nightmare," they say, including three versions of the OS (Android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0), custom firmware on many phones, and hardware differences between different models."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/a...red/index.html
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These charts make sense, but are ultimately meaningless. The real fact is that everyone knows and most people use Google "EVERYDAY". ...

Your just extrapolating your own experience into "facts" here. I work at a large University with a lot of other techie types, and hundreds of faculty members and students.

The people in my world use Google search (because everyone who has a choice does of course), and once in a while look up something on Google maps and that's about it. A few students use Google docs, but nobody I work with does.

This will be different everywhere. You can't just say that "everyone uses Google everyday," at least not with the implication that Googles "services" are indispensable and well thought of as you seem to have done.

Google is just a search company to most people IMO. Apple, on the other hand, is a extremely highly rated manufacturer of computers consumer devices and software. The article has this characterisation just about right if you ask me.
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I'm no mobile or app developer, but this Android CNN article is interesting. One paragraph says:

"A slew of problems have made managing Android apps a "nightmare," they say, including three versions of the OS (Android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.0), custom firmware on many phones, and hardware differences between different models."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/a...red/index.html

Despite their best efforts this problem will get worse. On top of that there are now two SDKs for Android and nether has the rich APIs and frameworks that iPhone OS SDK has. There is also word that developers cant make enough money to make their time spend developing apps feasible. I dont see how this will get better when even more vendors adopt it.

Worst of all in the mindshare of Android. If the average consumer doesnt understand it then you cant have widespread adoption. Even WebOS is much more refined and user friendly than Android 2.0.
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Your just extrapolating your own experience into "facts" here.

My point is people know and generally trust Google. When they have computers "running Google" in stores they will sell, especially considering the market they are going after. They are targeting the "very average" user, and that user will buy. Will I buy one? No, but they aren't targeting the type of user I am. I know of several people will get a computer that "runs Google".

The "very average" user, LOL
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My point is people know and generally trust Google. When they have computers "running Google" in stores they will sell, especially considering the market they are going after. They are targeting the "very average" user, and that user will buy. Will I buy one? No, but they aren't targeting the type of user I am. I know of several people will get a computer that "runs Google".

The cable companies are losing a lot of ground with cable TV while having to provide more bandwidth for internet services. I wonder if theyll market their cable boxes as having internet for your HDTV if you have a cable box, which means you are paying for some sort of subscription and renting their box. i know my parents only need the basics that Chrome OS will offer for internet and only use the internet occasionally.
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Google is just a search company to most people IMO. Apple, on the other hand, is a extremely highly rated manufacturer of computers consumer devices and software. The article has this characterisation just about right if you ask me.

I have to agree.... I know a few people who use gmail, but no one who uses google docs!
Most useful is google search and sometimes maps. That's it.
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These charts make sense, but are ultimately meaningless.

The real fact is that everyone knows and most people use Google "EVERYDAY". If Google make this "web" OS, with new technologies like HTML 5, caching and other advancements, companies will make Google ("chrome") OS products, and people will buy them. Especially considering some of the people I know of, that only use the web and think that is the OS. For them Google will get them up and running faster, and will make their computer safer and a better experience than their current Windows situation. Not to mention that the OS will be free, so they'll see savings too. Watch out, I say!

It really is that simple - in my opinion.

Don't make the mistake of underestimate Google here. And ultimately, Android's success or failure here is completely irrelevant. In the first year Google will have more computers in the market through their partners than Apple will that same year IMO. Although, most of that will be taken from the Windows side, and they'll be netbook-like.

Apple is lucky they have this tablet coming. It will give Google a kick in the butt.

a dev build of Chrome is out in the wild and people are downloading it. i got a copy and it sucks. it's a web browser and all the apps open up in a new tab. you can't do anything other than use the internet
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a dev build of Chrome is out in the wild and people are downloading it. i got a copy and it sucks. it's a web browser and all the apps open up in a new tab. you can't do anything other than use the internet

It is an OS that centered around the internet but you can do more than use the internet. I do agree that sucks, but only comparison to the demo build Google showed.

What exactly are you expecting form an OS with a UI built on webcode and a focus on getting you on the internet as easily and quickly as possible? This is perfect for appliances.
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It is an OS that centered around the internet but you can do more than use the internet. I do agree that sucks, but only comparison to the demo build Google showed.

What exactly are you expecting form an OS with a UI built on webcode and a focus on getting you on the internet as easily and quickly as possible? This is perfect for appliances.


my wii has more functionality and it comes with Opera

it's not an OS, it's a dumbed down web browser. at least with firefox i can install extensions, not so with Chrome.

there are black friday ads for netbooks running XP for $179. unless Google gives this away for free, there is no value in buying it. for free i'd buy it for my 2 year old to teach him how to read
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unless Google gives this away for free, there is no value in buying it.

Uh, yeah, its free and open source. \

How many people have Wiis? How many people are there in the world? How many of them have a system capable of accessing the internet. Chrome OS will run on machines much lower powered than your Wii and will be able to do a lot more stuff than Opera on your Wii as its designed to access local storage, too.
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Google is running its mobile platform with the same mentality of Microsoft in the mid 90s: anything goes for now and we'll sort of the issues in the future sometime.

Typo. "of" = "out"? This section treads the closest to putting things in an overly critical light. It then goes on to say:
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Google allows developer to "self-sign apps," which is worthless because anyone can sign their own malicious app. Android developers can also deliver their own apps from any source, so Google has no way to stop the sale of malicious code or to remotely deactivate apps that have gone rogue, such as malware with a time bomb payload or equipped with a viral propagation method.

Yet, Google's "kill switch" was reported on some time back.

In fact, this ComputerWorld article bugs me, because it attempts to imply a "kill switch" is a bad thing on its face, and then saying how it might be a good thing if only used in a certain way. Conversely, I think a "kill switch" is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, and only becomes a bad thing if it is abused by the company that wields it. That said... Google DOES have one, so I'm not sure the part above is accurate.
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In the Android Market terms of service, Google expressly says that it might remotely remove an application from a user's phone. "Google may discover a product that violates the developer distribution agreement ... in such an instance, Google retains the right to remotely remove those applications from your device at its sole discretion," the terms, linked to from the phone, read.

I REALLY love the articles in-depth analysis, but I want to know that the information is as absolutely accurate as possible. Google's strategy has been nagging me for a while, as a TIME-BOMB waiting to happen as soon as the platform gets popular.

Google notes however, that each application is "sandboxed", that it has a "kill switch" and that it uses certificate signing (for each super-cheap, one-time $25 fee developer account set-up). I'm left thinking there is an untold story there. If Google apps can run in the background, who is to say a flaw in the operating system won't allow background apps to monitor all your actions and take advantage of your proprietary information (clipboard, typing, network activity, cellphone conversations, texting). I'd like to hear from someone deeply familiar with the OS what kind of risk assessment this produces. We know the iPhone has been hard at work dealing with its OWN security risk challenges getting into the corporate world.

I look at Android, and I see HUGE risks everywhere (from Google's end, providing the most stable consumer experience), by looking at issues from no-parental controls to thinking about "attack vectors" for malware. I'm not sure what stops a malware creator for opening up hundreds of developer accounts over time, and then releasing an assortment of innocuous software on different levels... and then gradually introducing malware into each one of them in the form of updates. Right now, the main disincentive is that there's not enough activity to warrant the effort. I'm thinking however, that might actually continue to be a problem for them... masking a fairly significant security challenge.

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Uh, yeah, its free and open source. \

How many people have Wiis? How many people are there in the world? How many of them have a system capable of accessing the internet. Chrome OS will run on machines much lower powered than your Wii and will be able to do a lot more stuff than Opera on your Wii as its designed to access local storage, too.


flash 10.1 needs a recent GPU for hardware acceleration which means that any netbooks running Chrome will have decent hardware. at least as good as any Macbook
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Ok. Still on the topic of Android security. Look at this article:
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Android will destroy the signed security model in mobile. Based on everything I've read and heard, Android will not use certificates. Instead, applications will have to declare their intention to use sensitive API's like location and messaging at install. The user will be prompted to allow or disallow each type of access while installing. That means that anyone can develop for Android without asking for permission from a carrier or device manufacturer. Users will control their security and will be able to install any application with fine grained control over what it's allowed to do with data and resources.

But isn't allowing anyone and everyone to create and distribute Android programa dangerous? Not really, Android programs are Java applications and operate in a "sandbox" with no access to other applications, hardware or the OS except though tightly controlled interfaces. In order to reach out of the sandbox through an interface to a sensitive resource, a program must be granted permission by the user. The signing model took control of security away from the user and gave it to the carrier, Android puts the user back in control of his own security, something that has worked pretty well on the PC. Sure there are risks in an open application environment like Android or the PC but with risk comes reward. The reward with Android will be the availability of an enormous library of ground breaking software.

This is an early "February 22, 2008" article written in anticipation of Android, so I'm not sure how accurate it is... but it seems to imply "sandboxing" but then goes onto say that the APIs to the OS are "tightly controlled" before saying that the USER is in control of what applicaitons are allowed to do. On its face, it sounds like a nightmare scenario. If Android ever TRULY arrives on the consumer side, there will be legions of customers who will gladly AGREE to whatever obscure security question they're asked on any myriad of applications in exchange for whatever functionality they're looking for. Just look at how quickly people agree to EULAs without reading them thoroughly.

Currently, iPhone has, I think ONE security question for users... which is, "Can this app get your location?" That's about it. One Google's Android, it sounds like this question is much, much, MUCH more subtle. Once you've installed the app and approved its various arcane access requests... it can then do anything... and you'll likely never know what's its up to. Seems like a doomsday scenario... unless I'm wrong and someone can correct me. I'm not sure why people glaze over this stuff.

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Google and Apple are two very different companies and brands. Apple is established as a design driven leader in the computer and software industry while Google is a search engine. Google has a long way to go to gain people's interest and trust that they can deliver a product designed to the level the IPhone is at. Not only that but the Apple store experience, product updates and support, etc. Google isn't there yet and I doubt they can make the leap from a search engine to a software company on par with Apple. They will have to change their culture to do that, putting design first over technology. People WILL pay for quality design, Apple knows that, Google ignores that or at least thinks free will overcome quality. Google knows nothing about branding or image, two very important features to help sell your companies products. They have a long way to go to even becoming "Intel Inside". Look at the current Google phones, they have a big/ ugly Verizon logo on them. Where's Google?
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From my POV 90% of folks on AI fail to see the bigger picture here with regards to chrome OS. And from what I gather they'll continue to try to persaude themselves why Google hasn't a hope until Google sells a lot of Google computers and they change their minds with a lot "yeah but's...". For 10% of the people on this planet Google's system, when finished will be good enough. And not only that, but it will do what they want from a computer faster. Up and running Reading their e-mail, using their chat and playing their Farmville. For some people this will be their only computer, and as the years progress the web and a system like this only gets more powerful. There will be more people who know very little about computers who used to say: "why is my computer so slow..." saying: "hello my facebook".
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My point is people know and generally trust Google. When they have computers "running Google" in stores they will sell, especially considering the market they are going after. They are targeting the "very average" user, and that user will buy. Will I buy one? No, but they aren't targeting the type of user I am. I know of several people will get a computer that "runs Google".

The "very average" user, LOL

But in this scenario the "very average consumer" you're positing is apparently fairly dim-witted, what with their Pavlovian reaction to a computer "running Google."

Doesn't it follow that such a consumer might be woefully under informed about what a web based OS such as Chrome would actually mean for performance and functionality? What happens when these consumers find out they can't do some of the things they're used to doing on cheap PCs? That the trusty "Google" machine they've purchased turns out to be a glorified browser with hard links to Google services? Services that they've never used in their lives, despite your sanguine take on what using Google for search means for mind share?

I say they freak out, and suddenly Chrome has an image problem. That is, if you're right about the target demographic being computer illiterate morons.
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Another brilliant piece and I always like reading your stories and I know sometimes you read the forums so I have a question for you:

At what point do you think they will allow multitasking on the iPhone with 3rd party apps?


The iPhone, while it has undergone significant changes from OS 2.0 to 3.0, none of these things have lead to increased RAM usage. Since all the newer models come with 256MB RAM, shouldn't that kind of space allow for some apps (perhaps three or four at the most) to run in the background? I would gladly take this even if could only be used for certain apps though I would think it would be an all or nothing position with Apple. Though battery life is a concern, we already deal with these concerns as iPhone users.

I'm expecting that Apple will release this in OS 4.0 but I'm still concerned that they are still selling the iPhone 3G with half the RAM. Usually Apple prepares a clean break with the past in order to move people on to the next generation of software. By the time that Apple releases 4.0 it will be around the same time that early adopters of the 3G will have their contract up.

I would like to see a story on the pros/cons in a future article.
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Google and Apple are two very different companies and brands. Apple is established as a design driven leader in the computer and software industry while Google is a search engine. Google has a long way to go to gain people's interest and trust that they can deliver a product designed to the level the IPhone is at. Not only that but the Apple store experience, product updates and support, etc. Google isn't there yet and I doubt they can make the leap from a search engine to a software company on par with Apple. They will have to change their culture to do that, putting design first over technology. People WILL pay for quality design, Apple knows that, Google ignores that or at least thinks free will overcome quality. Google knows nothing about branding or image, two very important features to help sell your companies products. They have a long way to go to even becoming "Intel Inside". Look at the current Google phones, they have a big/ ugly Verizon logo on them. Where's Google?

Google has gained the trust of people in Gerald whether rightly or otherwise. They will never be a company that opens up their own store nor will they change their culture. They will never put design over engineering. A lead designer quit over there a few months back because he felt he wasn't being listened to. They are a company that is built solely on engineers and their products reflect that. Their products are efficient and have plenty of features but they look horrible and can be unwieldy to deal with.
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for free i'd buy it for my 2 year old to teach him how to read

They have books for that now days.
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flash 10.1 needs a recent GPU for hardware acceleration which means that any netbooks running Chrome will have decent hardware. at least as good as any Macbook

Flash has no barring on what systems Chrome OS willl run. Despite the fact that Flash currently has no GPU acceleration for Linux or OS X Chrome OS uses open webcode for the UI, not Flash. WebGL is being worked to make acceleration and may likely be what will drive Flash video, along with HTTP Secure Streaming, in the future.
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Lots of lies and half-lies in such a short article. Such as Android is completely insecure or you can only install 20 apps at 10MB each. In fact, BFU has the same level of security, as all of applications he gets are through the Android Market. Applications can save their data to the SD card, so it is no problem to have 20 apps at 100MB or even more, just as on iPhone. And the list of lies goes on...
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A few spelling errors here and there, this series seems intent on stating the iPhone is better than Android, which is great. Except Google are really after market share in this market to ensure the proliferation of their services.

As long as google software is available (or preinstalled) in the majority of mobile phones Google wins. The iPhone has Google maps, search and mail support built in. Now Google have bought Admob, truly hedging their bets. Now Google has its own OS on the horizon as well. Sure we could compare it to Windows and Mac OS X (I'm sure such a series would be quite popular) - but that isn't really the point.
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Curious to see how the Android progresses. I suspect that Google is looking beyond the limitations of the phone. Who cares if you have only 200k of ram, if your application is hosted on a website that is designed to use in a browser. Perhaps not Flash (which, I believe will run on Android... not iPhone). Keep in mind, these phones certainly want to be connected to the internet. This would certainly resolve many of your pirating, security, plateform and OS limitations.

Unfortunetly, the your ISP and cell phone providers have the US consumers 'trained' to the limited bandwidth that they offer. Look at the fine print of your "unlimited" cell phone plan. I have a friend that lived in Seoul 5 years ago. He used to watch his daily shows on his cell phone, while riding the mass transit system via his cell phone provider. And, he is not a geek. He felt like a Luddite when he moved back to the US. World ranking for broad band speed of US? Look em' up yourself (reading that we are between 17th and 24th). Average broad band speed? 5 mb/sec vs Japan's 60 mb/sec.
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Lots of lies and half-lies in such a short article. Such as Android is completely insecure or you can only install 20 apps at 10MB each. In fact, BFU has the same level of security, as all of applications he gets are through the Android Market. Applications can save their data to the SD card, so it is no problem to have 20 apps at 100MB or even more, just as on iPhone. And the list of lies goes on...

Thanks for pointing out what you think a "lie" is so it's obvious you are simply wrong.

As for 20 apps at 10MB, that's true. There's only around 200MB of space available for installing apps from Android Market. And while you can hope for vaporware dreams that someday those apps will save data to your SD card, that's currently not the case among real apps (which is why there's no real games, certainly none that weigh in at 200MB or more!), and it's not likely to happen because developers are leaving Android because the sales aren't there.

Gameloft says it, others reining in Android plans

"We have significantly cut our investment in Android platform, just like ... many others," Gameloft finance director Alexandre de Rochefort said at an investor conference.

Rochefort said the company has cut back on investment mostly due to weaknesses of Android's application store.

"It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone. Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products. On Android nobody is making significant revenue," Rochefort said.

Games for iPhone generated 13 percent of Gameloft's revenue in the last quarter. "We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android."
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Yet, Google's "kill switch" was reported on some time back.

Google notes however, that each application is "sandboxed", that it has a "kill switch" and that it uses certificate signing (for each super-cheap, one-time $25 fee developer account set-up). I'm left thinking there is an untold story there.

So there are two scenarios on Android: apps from the store are restricted and signed and only work in a sandbox, somewhat similar to iPhone apps (although they are modified Java VM applets, and can run concurrently, and so on). But Google also allows users to download and install their own apps, similar to jailbroken apps on the iPhone.

You can't have the benefits of a secured iPhone and the joys of a jailbroken iPhone at the same time, because the issues of the second negate the engineering of the first.

Essentially, Android phones are tantamount to jailbroken iPhones that also run official store apps. That means you can get duped into installing adware/spyware that Google can't "kill switch" (because it's self-signed stuff you installed yourself). That becomes a problem when, like Windows, the problem isn't your phone but millions of doufus people installing crap and ending up with spambot networks that hose their phones and steal their data (including data you sent them, or your contacts, etc). IE, no security.

It also opens up security problems that the Android Market is trying to half close - including piracy. If you can install your own apps, why not install cracked versions of any commercial software that does appear in the official Android Market, and that being the case, why would developers put any efforts into real software that can be easily pirated (unlike the iPhone, without jailbreaking)?

There's two sides to Google's platform, and people only ever talk about one at a time. That makes it possible to describe it like its as secure as the iPhone and also that it's as fun and unrestricted as a jailbroken iPhone. But the reality is that both sides are there, and so it's neither as secure as an iPhone nor as unrestricted as a jailbroken iPhone.

You know that saying, "You can't have it both ways"? Well Google tried to have it both ways, and the result is something that's not going to work.

Also, notice that people who support Android aren't explaining away these "alleged issues" because those who know what's up and are rational know the issues are real, while those who are just excited about Android and hope it works out don't have anything to say other than fanboyish "you suck for criticizing my party" comments.

It would be awesome if Google actually offered some competitive pressure for Apple, but the article is right -- Google isn't trying to deliver an iPhone killer, it's trying to kill WiMo, and that doesn't require a high bar. Or even a different phone spec than the crippled hardware with scant RAM that Microsoft came up with for the smartphone world pre-iphone.
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As long as Apple can keep its iPhone prices competitive and stay one step ahead of the pack it will continue to draw customers and developers. I don't think we're going to see a retake of what happened to Apple v. Microsoft 20 years ago. There's no central opposition this time.
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Uh, yeah, its free and open source. \

How many people have Wiis? How many people are there in the world? How many of them have a system capable of accessing the internet. Chrome OS will run on machines much lower powered than your Wii and will be able to do a lot more stuff than Opera on your Wii as its designed to access local storage, too.

Mmm...

From this, and your last few posts on this thread, you seem to be suggesting that the time for an "Internet Appliance" is about to arrive.

I had looked at chrome and decided that there was not much to it (for me).

You seem to be saying that:

1) Internet connections (and WiFi LANs) will become as ubiquitous as cable TV or home phone/electrical service-- probably included in a package with these services.
2) many devices will become Internet-savy: Phones; TVs; Friges; Thermostats; Security...
3) an Internet OS, such as chrome, will power many (if not most) of these devices

I hadn't considered this, but you may be on to something.


That said, there needs to be some capability to setup/monitor/control all these disparate "Internet Appliances" and their OSes, with their unique device and human UIs.


I am interested in what you think will be the master control for this?

Surely, it can't be a netbook or GP computer, or TV with a remote.


P.S. Luv your sig though I do find an occasional kernel of brilliance amongst the dross

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What do you know, they too gave fart app for android phones.
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You seem to be saying that:

1) Internet connections (and WiFi LANs) will become as ubiquitous as cable TV or home phone/electrical service-- probably included in a package with these services.
2) many devices will become Internet-savy: Phones; TVs; Friges; Thermostats; Security...
3) an Internet OS, such as chrome, will power many (if not most) of these devices

We may be using the term appliance differently. In regards to the home entertainment appliances such as optical media players, DVRs, cable boxes and TVsthese could all get browsers to have access to the internet. After all, they all have CPUs and are connected to monitors already. Some of them even have networking capabilities. Game consoles already have web browsers.

I really dont see a new for a fridge or thermostat to have Chrome OS or another browser running on it when an embedded OS to run the device seems to be the most efficient method. However, there is at least one fridge and one washer/dryer with an iPod dock on the market.

I would like to see home devices more connected using Zeroconf networking. Apple markets it as Bonjour. Its a service discovery protocol that would be ideal for getting local and remote system checks and configurations of your homes appliances. This seems like a likely evolution even if Zeroconf is not the protocol to bring it.
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So there are two scenarios on Android: apps from the store are restricted and signed and only work in a sandbox, somewhat similar to iPhone apps (although they are modified Java VM applets, and can run concurrently, and so on). But Google also allows users to download and install their own apps, similar to jailbroken apps on the iPhone.

You can't have the benefits of a secured iPhone and the joys of a jailbroken iPhone at the same time, because the issues of the second negate the engineering of the first.

Essentially, Android phones are tantamount to jailbroken iPhones that also run official store apps. That means you can get duped into installing adware/spyware that Google can't "kill switch" (because it's self-signed stuff you installed yourself). That becomes a problem when, like Windows, the problem isn't your phone but millions of doufus people installing crap and ending up with spambot networks that hose their phones and steal their data (including data you sent them, or your contacts, etc). IE, no security.

It also opens up security problems that the Android Market is trying to half close - including piracy. If you can install your own apps, why not install cracked versions of any commercial software that does appear in the official Android Market, and that being the case, why would developers put any efforts into real software that can be easily pirated (unlike the iPhone, without jailbreaking)?

There's two sides to Google's platform, and people only ever talk about one at a time. That makes it possible to describe it like its as secure as the iPhone and also that it's as fun and unrestricted as a jailbroken iPhone. But the reality is that both sides are there, and so it's neither as secure as an iPhone nor as unrestricted as a jailbroken iPhone.

You know that saying, "You can't have it both ways"? Well Google tried to have it both ways, and the result is something that's not going to work.

Also, notice that people who support Android aren't explaining away these "alleged issues" because those who know what's up and are rational know the issues are real, while those who are just excited about Android and hope it works out don't have anything to say other than fanboyish "you suck for criticizing my party" comments.

It would be awesome if Google actually offered some competitive pressure for Apple, but the article is right -- Google isn't trying to deliver an iPhone killer, it's trying to kill WiMo, and that doesn't require a high bar. Or even a different phone spec than the crippled hardware with scant RAM that Microsoft came up with for the smartphone world pre-iphone.

I don't know enough about the technical issues to be able to say whether what you're saying here is dead on or somewhat biased or what, but: you write clearly and persuasively and I can discern exactly what you mean. Given the signal to noise ration on this board as of late, that makes me jump up and applaud. Thanks.
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But in this scenario the "very average consumer" you're positing is apparently fairly dim-witted, what with their Pavlovian reaction to a computer "running Google."

I've seen it many times, and it's easy to imagine several people I know of, saying: "my new computer runs Google..". This is totally the way some (roughly 10% of) people think.

There's a number of people out there who just want Google.com, Facebook.com, Wikipedia.com, Facebook apps and their e-mail.
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I say they freak out, and suddenly Chrome has an image problem. That is, if you're right about the target demographic being computer illiterate morons.

The main things I can see issue with is things like iTunes and iPods etc. But they will be told in the shops that you can't get iTunes, just the internet. My point is the market for people who just want the internet is a lot bigger than you seem to think.
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The main things I can see issue with is things like iTunes and iPods etc. But they will be told in the shops that you can't get iTunes, just the internet. My point is the market for people who just want the internet is a lot bigger than you seem to think.

I think that people who think that they "just want the internet" will be angry when they find out that their "computer" doesn't work when they don't have an internet connection.

And I think that throwing around figures like "roughly 10%" is pointless.
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And I think that throwing around figures like "roughly 10%" is pointless.

It's not pointless, it's pointed. I know of people who just use the internet and don't have an iPod, and for those people it would do all they need. If you cannot grasp that then you may have a listening problem. The figure 10% was a guess, the point is there's a number of people for this system.
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My point is people know and generally trust Google. When they have computers "running Google" in stores they will sell, especially considering the market they are going after. They are targeting the "very average" user, and that user will buy. Will I buy one? No, but they aren't targeting the type of user I am. I know of several people will get a computer that "runs Google".

The "very average" user, LOL

Yes but surely, your comment os for a different article, right? This was about smartphones, in particular iphone and those smartphones running android. Your comments seem to be only relevant to Chrome and "computers" perhaps netbooks, but not phones...

I wonder if you actually read the article (it was loooong).
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