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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

I was so addicted to smoking that i smoked all the way thru treatment
one day i simply stopped..
I hope I never fall again.

I'm glad you quit!
I pray that you never fall!
Thanks for sharing such a personal experience..........

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post #162 of 332
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

Agree 100 percent. I have opened up a couple of PC boxes that were owned by smokers and it was disgusting. I won't do it any longer as I don't want to have contact with that kind of filth. To think people actually put that in their lungs.

I do feel that if Apple is unwilling to repair the items, then Apple should refund the Apple Care purchase costs.

Why? These computers were contaminated by the user, not Apple. If you make your computer unserviceable by your actions then Apple is not responsible the pay for your actions.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I really dont see how it could be unclear that having that much tar and dust build up in a machine is Apples fault and responsibility under the warranty.

If the damage is caused by smoke buildup then I agree with you, but just because there is a problem with the computer and there is smoke buildup in the system does not necessarily mean that the part that has gone bad did so due to smoke buildup. Even if there is a large amount of smoke buildup in the computer there could be a part that fails due to a manufacturing defect after a year or two of use.

Now if this is a case of concern for the health of the employees working on a system that has been exposed to tobacco smoke then I would think that it would be reasonable for Apple should put up a disclaimer both in their warrantee and at their stores that states they have the right to refuse to work on a system exposed to tobacco smoke. Again the part that has failed may not have failed due to the exposure to smoke and if so it should be covered and repaired at their facility or the user should be offered another route for repair of the defective part at Apple's expense.
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Originally Posted by krreagan View Post

Why? These computers were contaminated by the user, not Apple. If you make your computer unserviceable by your actions then Apple is not responsible the pay for your actions.

KRR

There does seem to be some sort of psychological disjointing on this thread. People clearly stating that its the users fault but then going on to say that Apple should be held responsible for the users actions. I find it all quite odd and a little disconcerting.
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post #165 of 332
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

How do we know that picture is a result of cigarettes? That could be from many things.

You're right, it's coated with denial.
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post #166 of 332
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Originally Posted by Lokheed View Post

Not likely. They didn't ask whether the customer smoked. The damage from the tar was severe enough to warrant refusal. That means visible evidence was discovered.

If nicotine is on the list of health hazards, then Apple has a case. A proper reply to Apple's position is to discover whether the amount of nicotine found on the PC is sufficient enough to cause harm.

I understand that second hand smoke is a health hazard, but Apple's position on finding evidence of nicotine may be jumping the gun as trace amounts may not pose a risk of injury. Radiation is a health hazard, but all our devices output some amount of the stuff. Nicotine cannot be an "all or none" case.

This is not a case to blatantly refuse service, this is a case whether tar found from second hand smoke is sufficient to hurt a technician. I am sure there exist cases where the customer smokes but their PC was repaired. It seems likely that the PCs refused had large amounts of tar.

Nicotine is not thought to be a carcinogen (they wouldn't market Nicorette, etc if it were) - its the other nasty goodies in tobacco that are the problem (some of which become more of a problem when they are burned as in a cigarette, cigar or pipe).

That being said, I'm not certain that kind of residue in a computer would necessarily be a health hazard anymore than for a volunteer who picks up cigarette butts at the beach in an effort to clean up after cigarette smokers who have no regard for their fellow man and the environment.

Side note: if cigarette smokers want to limit further crackdowns on their smoking liberties (ie. banning smoking in more places), it'd help if you'd dispose of your cigarettes properly rather than flicking them out of your car window or putting them out with your heel on the sidewalk/street.
post #167 of 332
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Originally Posted by @homenow View Post

If the damage is caused by smoke buildup then I agree with you, but just because there is a problem with the computer and there is smoke buildup in the system does not necessarily mean that the part that has gone bad did so due to smoke buildup. Even if there is a large amount of smoke buildup in the computer there could be a part that fails due to a manufacturing defect after a year or two of use.

Quite right, but lack of maintenance, misuse and abuse of a machine trumps most manufacturers defects because its simply too hard to determine the cause if a machine is in such a state and no warranties for CE do not cover regular cleanings as part of the agreement, which would be required first and foremost before Apple could service most potential defects.

These idiots should have cleaned out their own machine before sending it in, but if they had the wherewithal to do that they likely wouldnt have let this problem happen in the first place. I have a jailbroken iPhone, which means Ive voided the warranty. If I have an issue that requires AppleCare I will wipe the system clean and use the standard OS install. Of course, one should do that anyway since you dont want your personal data being shipped through the mail and sitting in some repair shop where anyone can access it.

Note that I said most defects. There are clear exceptions because the cause and effect relationship of one form of misuse or neglect cannot be attributed to the defective part. One example are batteries.
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post #168 of 332
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

It's still something that should be avoided.

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"Nicotine itself is not carcinogenic, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, but is implicated in heart disease."
(quoted from http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/c.../full/91/6/502 )

"Nicotine is not in itself carcinogenic, but has been shown to be co-carcinogenic
with benzo(a)pyrene [also found in tobacco smoke] in causing skin cancer in mice"
(quoted from http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....020186.000321 )

In conclusion, while nicotine itself is not carcinogenic it is shown to be co-carcinogenic with other chemicals, including those found in cigarette smoke. Once a person has lung cancer, nicotine can interfere with body's natural ability (as well as the ability of cancer fighting drugs) to get rid of the cancer.
(See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7848904 )

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...nt/full/79/1/1

http://www.smoke-free.ca/SL/TSNAfactsheet.PDF

http://www.treatobacco.net/en/page_62.html



Also smoking makes it much much easier to catch, carry and transfer the H1N1 (aka swine flu) as it prevents the tiny hairs in your intake channels to catch the virus before it enters the body.

Good thing I don't smoke, but the first time I caught H1N1 was from a smoker who coughed quite a bit, as they have a much harder time getting over any virus than non-smokers. I was laid out for almost 2 months with the bug and thought I was going to die. At that time nobody knew what it was.

The second time I caught it again it was from a smoker, who coughed quite a bit while I gave him a ride to work last week. This time I was only laid out for a few days and just getting over it.

So the first time could waste you, the second time you might get by fine with a lot of cough and flu medicine.

I do recommend the shot. Especially for smokers.
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post #169 of 332
Let the Health Care Bill pay for the warranty of the machine.
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Throwing your laptop in a pool or running it over with your car is perfectly legal too. That, however, doesn't mean the warranty will cover the repairs.

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I don't smoke, but I find your attitude quite unbelievable. Last I checked, it is a perfectly legal activity.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Decosta View Post

So did you already sell your car and bought a bike to go to work?!

I did one better: we work at home, but we DID sell our second car and bought two Segway PT's for local errands and for fun!! Twenty miles on a charge. One KW-hour per charge @ 15¢/KW-hr. We also bought an exercise bike. ;-)

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post #172 of 332
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Originally Posted by Tofino View Post

oh boy. somebody's grumpy, eh? relax man! have a smoke!

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I have nothing but seething rage for people who smoke while walking down the street in front of me and people who absolutely reek of smoke then come into my business and expect me to stand there and hold back my gag reflex while they talk to me about their meaningless existence. If I needed to work on my gag reflex I'd deep throat cocks for a living.

Recreational substance use is supposed to be an occasional activity, not an every-third-fucking-minute-and-in-the-most-intrusive-dosage-form-possible-and-with-an-I'm-entitled-to-do-whatever-the-fuck-I-want-attitude activity.

I'd rate heroin users who use clean injecting equipment and dispose of it thoughtfully above people who smoke around others without consent any day.

There I said it.

I hate my self for agreeing with such a stupid post
But spot on I AGREE!
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

I fully agree with Apple here. Smoking kills more than 500,000 people every single year in the USA, more than 500,000 in Europe and more than 3 million worldwide every year. Besides the healthcare costs that could be used for other purposes and the of work hours lost. THIS IS OBSCENE.

Apple did NOT do this for smoking cessation reasons
Apple did this because someone SMOKED SO FUCKING MUCH THAT TAR BUILD UP ON THE'RE MACHINES . THOSE macs must have sat in smoke filled windowless rooms for years to look like that .

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

They do. It’s right there in AppleCare coverage legalese and it’s quite clear though I would think common sense would make it obvious that abuse and neglect of your equipment is not covered.
A disclaimer for each in possible incident is silly. It’s clear the warranty is for defects caused by Apple or it’s partners and does not cover mental defects on the part of their users. If it did, then Teckstud wouldn’t even be allowed inside an Apple Store.

The amount of cigarette smoke that would cause such a thing to happen within a period of less than one to three years tells me that this person is a very heavy smoker and they use their computer in a small unventilated area. That isn’t Apple’s responsibility.[INDENT]• T]

VERY VERY HEAVY TEAM OF CHAIN SMOKERS BLOWING SMOKE RIGHT IN STEVES FACE

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"There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't”

<<binary >> ?? Please don't revive that decade tirade we had some days ago
you have found your wit again
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

TAKE AWAY all drugs (legal and illegal; from coffee to heroin, including also alcohol) and the humans will collapse. Why are humans so utterly STUPID is beyond my understanding!

And remember that it is not just you. It is also the environment, the cost to others (including the healthcare system) and last but not least, the cost to the future generations.

Because most of such shit (legal and illegal) will cause mutations not only to the somatic cells (read cancer for you and for others), but also to the germ cells (read diseases for future generations).

As said, this is amazing!

err dude GOOGLE ADDICTION and OBSESSIVE behavior and you will understand and learn things that take over a humans mind and body . And your <<Why are humans so utterly STUPID .... Will be no more .

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http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemical-sam...oc/chmn_W.html

Where?

Many water systems are killing humans , Chicago water pipes for one are made of copper or lead/zinc . So in many locations worldwide water pulled from your tap is listed as a possible poison.
7% OF ALL WATER salt free and drinkable
Only 18% of the 7% is potable . Permanent human pollution of once clean water is todays reality>>
Metals leeching from dumps street run offs and outright factory dumping into all our water systems for 70 yrs. is a fact of world wide life. We cannot even think to clean up . Metal poisoning by tiny amounts add up and accumulate in human and animals bodies over the years.We eat these fish and animals giving us a double/triple dose of minute trace metals
Our children get a Quad dose . Welcome to earth circa 2010 .

Apple going 100 percent green is lovely .

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Originally Posted by Robodude View Post

I was thinking they should make it more explicit, especially when they're trying to push Applecare onto you at the store or through the phone. They don't really touch on that, we all know most people don't bother reading through the T&Cs. Apple store staff are usually quite good at clearing things up, and warranties are quite misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

No it doesn't. That stuff is most certainly NOT from dust. That is some serious buildup and it doesn't look safe. At all. I wouldn't touch that thing.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Quit smoking. Not that big of a deal.

Steve

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I've also seen insect infestations inside PC towers. You have to draw the line somewhere.

this is quite common for bugs to live from the warmth of computers and eat the wires , see a cockroach emerge from a dell during a meeting with the head boss > caused me too jump up and state yet again
buy a mac
fired on the spot\\
he did buy macs
they did get infested also
if you have very clean rooms that are sprayed the only place left to hide is a computer


Thanks for sharing such a personal experience..........[/QUOTE]
thanks
i hope some=me one heeds my siren call to quit smoking
well see you guys later time to clean the kids and play some halo

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post #173 of 332
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Also smoking makes it much much easier to catch, carry and transfer the H1N1 (aka swine flu) as it prevents the tiny hairs in your intake channels to catch the virus before it enters the body.

Good thing I don't smoke, but the first time I caught H1N1 was from a smoker who coughed quite a bit, as they have a much harder time getting over any virus than non-smokers. I was laid out for almost 2 months with the bug and thought I was going to die. At that time nobody knew what it was.

The second time I caught it again it was from a smoker, who coughed quite a bit while I gave him a ride to work last week. This time I was only laid out for a few days and just getting over it.

So the first time could waste you, the second time you might get by fine with a lot of cough and flu medicine.

I do recommend the shot. Especially for smokers.

Wow! You caught it twice? I thought after having it once that you built up the antibodies or imunity for it?
If you can catch it more than once then doesn't that negate the shot?

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post #174 of 332
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Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

Wow! You caught it twice? I thought after having it once that you built up the antibodies or imunity for it?
If you can catch it more than once then doesn't that negate the shot?

year that rings true


A single cough

FROM A as a smoking flu infected MBP 15 in GLOSSY computer owner who only needed to switch to MATTE SCREEN to save the WHOLE WORLD from the GLARE eyesight blindness and the horrors of the flu death disease caused by smoking w/the flu glossy type of H1N1 killer smoking flu with glossy screens death machines who smoke and are glossy ,

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Originally Posted by ouragan View Post

I'm a non smoker and always have been. But this story has to be a joke. Unless a computer has fire, smoke and water damage, how could cigarette smoking damage a computer beyond repair - OR - prevent employees from repairing the computer.

My advice to these 2 consumers: If you have a reasonable case, SUE! for breach of contract, breach of warranty, unreasonable conduct and discrimination based on lifestyle or handicap.



It not really about if it can be repaired, it's about whether Apple should repair it, for whatever reason.

Like this image of a neglected smoke filled computer, at a desk for a few years.

http://www.thecomputerwizard.biz/photos/smoke2a.jpg

I don't think that this should be about rights, or smoking, or choice. When I went in with my iPod and it had water damage from sweat, because I had taken it on my bike so many times, I actually understood their position. The clerk was nice about it, but water damage is water damage. Smoke damage is smoke damage. From Apples stance, damage is damage.

My parents used to smoke, but when they moved, they did it outside to not reduce the value of the home. Wonder why. Probably in this case, if they had bought the home from a company, and blamed the company for the reduced value, they could sue and be all pissed about it. But in this case, they had 100% responsibility for the condition and the market would make the final determination. So they choose to smoke outside to not reduce the value of their investment.

People would not have the same issue with this, say if the unit has been used in a coal mine, and brought in covered and clogged with black dust. Just about everyone here would have said the users knew what they were getting into.

So, Apple is just the messenger here. All of their warranties are based on normal and expected use. You over use, over damage, over drop, and yes, over abuse your device past the point of normal repair, you're out of luck. Why should apple have to clean up a mess that you created?
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Originally Posted by rbonner View Post

Like this image of a neglected smoke filled computer, at a desk for a few years.

http://www.thecomputerwizard.biz/photos/smoke2a.jpg

rust up a mess that you created?

rust never sleeps
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I smell a class action lawsuit in Texas!

Will that smell like mentholated or regularly disgusting cigarette smoke?

And yeah, this comment comes from someone who learned how to smoke in the military, then proceeded to smoke 3 to 4 packs a day in Vietnam. There were "down" times, when in the middle of some activity, I would forget that I had one burning already that I had set down, and proceed to light another.

I finally went cold turkey a few years later. Best decision I ever made, but some damage was already done. I'm quite sure it will catch up with me at some point if it hasn't already.

And yeah, the holiest person in the room is the reformed smoker. They have watched the puppet show and have seen the strings.

By the way. This one time... in Vietnam Band Camp....
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How do I clean the inside of my computer then ?! I don't smoke nor do I live in a smoking home, however, every once in a long while, I see a very thin layer of dust over my screen ... sometimes I keep wondering if that same dust is piling up within my laptop's components. I feel like I need to do my part to keep my computer clean inside and out, I don't want to face a similar situation where any potential repairs are refused for an overly dusty computer. I remember reading that my apple care will become void if I open the computer myself, no ? If not, does Apple offer a cleaning service for their laptops ?
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How do I clean the inside of my computer then ?! I don't smoke nor do I live in a smoking home, however, every once in a long while, I see a very thin layer of dust over my screen ... sometimes I keep wondering if that same dust is piling up within my laptop's components. I feel like I need to do my part to keep my computer clean inside and out, I don't want to face a similar situation where any potential repairs are refused for an overly dusty computer. I remember reading that my apple care will become void if I open the computer myself, no ? If not, does Apple offer a cleaning service for their laptops ?

I usually blow mine out gently with the compressor, and turn it upside down and give it a gentle shake. Sometimes I will eat or drink near my laptop. Never spilled, but would not want to be there when they open it up, probably a portion of a hamburger under the keyboard.

If I took it in and they said that they could not cleanup the hamburger, probably would not argue with them.

On the PC side, I blow out my machine every other month, so good point. The dust cloud is pretty impressive. I think the machine's other job is to filter the air. Will be asking my apple store folks how to clean out the machine without messing with the warranty.
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This is truly mind-boggling, if true! Corporatism at its worst. Can't they wear some gloves and a mask?! Where are we heading next? Apple campus is going to be sealed off in an antiseptic bubble?

At the least, I hope Apple refunded their money.

They should always wear masks and gloves anyway. There are many allergens that are trapped in computers whether they are around smokers or not. Is pet dander not a problem for some? what about subtle mold residues or spores? I've opened up some ugly computer cases in my day and I would whole heartedly recommend gloves and a mask regardless of being in the presence of a smoker or not. This is silly BS. I've done work for OSHA and while Nicotine might be a "hazardous" material, none of OSHA's regulations say that you can't work with hazardous materials; they simply enforce proper training, safety and protection when doing so.

Apple we're are continually disappointed by your actions in recent years. Keep it up and we'll find another under dog to root for. Hope all of this BS is worth the extra .02% you report to your investors.
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I have nothing but seething rage for people who smoke while walking down the street in front of me and people who absolutely reek of smoke then come into my business and expect me to stand there and hold back my gag reflex while they talk to me about their meaningless existence. If I needed to work on my gag reflex I'd deep throat cocks for a living.

Recreational substance use is supposed to be an occasional activity, not an every-third-fucking-minute-and-in-the-most-intrusive-dosage-form-possible-and-with-an-I'm-entitled-to-do-whatever-the-fuck-I-want-attitude activity.

I'd rate heroin users who use clean injecting equipment and dispose of it thoughtfully above people who smoke around others without consent any day.

There I said it..


wow you're just really angry. You've been watching too much Clockwork Orange or did you just see the new Bronson flick? Seething rage; really? That's laughable, maybe get some Medical Marijuana strips then. You need'em. Individuals have rights and one of those is to do "whatever the F_-_- I want". I mean talking about violent oral sex etc. and comparing it to smoking/ smokers/ being around a smoker; really? You are a disgusting human being. You don't like the smoke move. You don't like your job; get another one. You don't like who you are talking to; don't talk to them. If anyone has a pathetic life it's you pal. It's your choice as it would be anyone else's.


take a downer, then some viagra, get laid and start enjoying something in life because you sound like a miserable angry drunk.
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I repair about 10 macs a week. I shudder to think what Apple would do with some of the machines I work on. I recently saw a mac with the following items on the desk beside it: lube (for admiring porn thespians I'm sure), a glass pipe, a CARTON of cigarettes, some emptie baggies, loose pot leaves, and a bottle of jack.
What did I do? I did my job. I put on latex gloves - relocated the Mac to a less cluttered location, vaccummed it out with a HEPA filtered computer vac. And fixed the machine. Got paid. Thanked them. And made sure they'd call me if they had any problems.
Society and all of their judgements should all go straight h*ll. It's boring, lame and a waste of time. All you antismoking bandwagoneers get a life. Wouldn't life be so much better if we could just let people LIVE their lives. Rather than spending your lives hating and despising and hating another group of people. I could care less what you do. I may not have the same habits as you or vice versa. I've met some great people from bible thumpers to smokers. And I have liked many of them.

Apple gimme a break. Love ya but please get a grip ya just look lame now.

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Gimme a break. In case you hadn't noticed, Apple is taking stands on issues which are important. The health of their employees is very important. Putting the responsibility for the effects of smoking back on the smoker is NOT unreasonable. If fact, it's the RIGHT thing to do.

Those who insist on being STOOOPID and smoke like chimneys around their computer equipment should realize what damage they're doing, not only to their equipment, but to the technician who MIGHT have worked on it.

You want the warranty coverage? QUIT SMOKING! Simple.

Ah... behavioral tax drones. This kind of stupidity is a far greater danger to humans than anything in a cigarette. Do you realize you are blindly following herd panic mentality? People in this mindset are a danger to those around them. Might sound familiar, but my sweeping statement has far more empirical evidence to support it. Wanna bet some cash? A couple grand would really help with my Xmas shopping.

Ridiculous notion, nobody cleaning junk out of computers has even gotten sick from it. Stop hyperventilating and think. We are not that fragile a species, would never have made it this far. Those eco-bulbs are an example of your idea of "important issues" and the shallow knowledge and reactionary thinking that leads to hysteria. Far more dangerous than the tar in Camel Joe's laptop. I wish people with green T-shirts would stop pretending to be smarter than Thomas Edison.

These people have never read anything of substance on any of these "important issues". Usually not even the less shallow science texts (the ones without pictures or color bound covers), that support their position. For such an "important issue", you'd think they would be more concerned and would dig deeper beyond the TV and Newsweak. No... National Geographic doesn't count either. These cause crusaders are a plague of backward Dark Ages logic and superstition. Reading books... it's not just for royalty and clergy anymore! Or if you prefer Yoda: "Arms waving does not a scholar make."

I think Steve Jobs is too busy running Apple, making cool stuff, and probably doesn't have much time to research environmental matters, and just parrots the same stuff that people who watch TV for information do. The only other likely explanation is that he's more interested in changing one component in a laptop, then slapping a green sticker on it so hippies feel good buying Macs. Then again, I never traveled to India in search of enlightenment, so maybe his tolerance for superstition is greater than the average?
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Smoking is NOT illegal anywhere that I know of.

Its illegal in ALOT of places, such as some indoor restaurants and SMU has recently banned it from the entire campus! I think Apple is completely right in doing this. Apple may have some employees with asthma and having even hints of smoke in a computer can cause them to have an attack!

Sucks to be a smoker. Best to quit.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

I hope that isn't really your position.

It's gentic and natures way ar balacing the Eco system.


First I meant genetic and was angry I woke up so early with back pain. But I did go back to bed. Look. My 2nd TRUE LOVE EVER DIED OF STAGE 4 cancer. Brain, lymphnodes, lungs and we never got closure. She had smoked and took the pill, a no no over 30 or 35. Still, she had quit for years. I'm probably also pissed that I smoke now after stoping for amost three years. My g/f and I were held up at gunpoint. Okay, pretty bad, no smoking yet. 10 days later my wifes father who I was close too is killed at work then I get a call that my GREATVAUNT a chief hospital inspector for the board of health who raised me is not doing so well. A little while after thst my gf has an ovarie removed and I start smoking again.

Needless to say, my aunt died, willed me the house but the wil dissapears. My family with strong political ties in Boston can make a plane never land. So now I have back pain, low testosterone and a whiole bunch of thing going on. The patch worked for me but now when I do it. Tried severa times, I get acid reflux which is very painful and things are so bad right now my PCO said "look, I know you want to quit and I think this new drug will do it, but things are si bad that I don't want your body going under any kind of stress at all. THIS COMING FROM A DOCTOR. if you took one dose of what I take for pain, you'd probably OD.


So it's frustrating as knowone in my social circle smokes except the creatives, editors, artist engineers, producers, etc. Then I read this study. Remember that new oil that made potatoe chip with zero fat but depleted your body of vitamin K? It was going to be the next huge thing but dissapeared. Olean I think it was called. Well this study went on to say that those that ate regular chips vs olean chips were identical. The people suffering fro gas say 3% was the same for baked and regular fried. Every result were identical. Not to Kenton another study linking fried potatoesto cancer. But then I read up on cancer. Smoking is bad but there are reports that say otherwise. Not from tobacco companies. Like the amount of people that die from cancer but never smoke. Smoking is like eating. You can't explain it but like eating, you smoke and you full. And I can't even quit right now and have been married only a year yet I see all these finger poiting obese people saying smoking is bad while they eat a full platter of nachos instead of a protein shake.

There are just as many studys that link cancer to no smoking and non smoking people. What I meant by genetic is say you will get diabetes at 40. Well it could show up at 35 if you trigger it by eating to much sugar. So you basicaly brought it in or turned on the switch skonerthen it should have been. Then I've read cancer reports that say we all have it, it's just matter of whether the switch goes in or stays off and they canwith 100 % say what turns in that switch. But I can tell you this. If there everis a cure or the cure that's out there us released, smoking will rise 1000 fold as it's fear that keeps most people away.

We are one if the few countries were you are made to feel like a criminal for smoking. But only in a few states. California is the biggist. Go to NY or Boston and your more likely to get a sick to the face before they out it out. Anyway I guess what I'm saying is, I've seen people die from cancer that have smoked or not smoked. Wasn't it Johnny carsins side kick ed mcman that gave it up for 20 years but dies from cancer? In the tonight show Johnny used to smoke on air. Just a few years ago you could smoke in resataraunts. It's all programming people. No one knows the others story and Apple needs to refund the full price of Apple care which for the most part covers the cost of most parts, another report, which shows how high the apple tax really is.

So now you know but to picture some goofy glasses skinny way to metrosexual, if that, I amtoo, but an apple hussy fit person will probably cause apple to replace the computers and get them fired. Maybe. Dependson Steves mood that day as the pressure builds.
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Its illegal in ALOT of places, such as some indoor restaurants and SMU has recently banned it from the entire campus! I think Apple is completely right in doing this. Apple may have some employees with asthma and having even hints of smoke in a computer can cause them to have an attack!

Sucks to be a smoker. Best to quit.

Dunno about that, there have been some pretty awesome smokers in our history. You have a weak case on the "sucks to be" part. However it definitely sucks to have whine flu.

This will change. You can't tell people what they can and can't do in their own businesses. The zombie corpse of Thomas Jefferson will arise to vanquish this cowardly behavioral regulation obsession. Un-Constitutional to the max. We can either pay the government to force people to adhere to other's opinions or stick to the Bill of Rights. A tough economy will force people to chose between what's important and what's the bloated, mutant swill of puritans & prohibitionists. History is on my side. Puritans like all fanatics, never win for long.

I'm considering taking up smoking purely for political reasons. All it takes is one coherent Supreme Court challenge and this garbage goes bye-bye.
post #188 of 332
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http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsamp...oc/chmn_W.html

Where?

water is dangerous:
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS

water is toxic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication


Notice OSHA's page for nicotine doesn't say anything about carcinogenicity. It's almost entirely about concentration limits in the air to prevent poisoning. It does mention teratogenicity (in animals), but at exposure levels that are extremely high.
http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsamp...CH_256500.html

Spewing hot-button phrases like "nicotine is on OSHA's list!" is silly without a contextual interpretation. My interpretation is that, to protect its employees, Apple might just need to improve ventilation in the work place, at least when a smelly computer is being worked on. Oh, and Apple needs to honor its warranties.
post #189 of 332
Let me pose a hypothetical to the anti-Apple/pro-smoker side: Suppose you service computers for a living. I schedule an appointment for next week to have my PC serviced. When I bring it in, you discover that I have just defecated inside the case -- and it's still warm and smelly.

You show your boss. He says "Repair it. The feces are fresh, so they did not cause the failure he reported last week. The customer has a legal right to crap in their computer if it makes them happy. Plumbers and proctologists deal with human feces on a daily basis, so you can't claim that being near it will kill you -- we're not that fragile a species. You can just wash your hands after working on the system."

That is a 100%, perfectly fair, analogy. I know people who follow their dogs around and pick up the turds in bags -- and those same people would gag if they were exposed to some of the tar, nicotine, and tobacco stench that one finds in the computers of heavy smokers.

If your computer reeks and is stained from something that came out of your body, whether it's tobacco smoke, semen, urine, feces, vomit, or phlegm, don't get righteous and indignant when a company has the decency to not force their workers to handle it.
post #190 of 332
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I repair about 10 macs a week. I shudder to think what Apple would do with some of the machines I work on. I recently saw a mac with the following items on the desk beside it: lube (for admiring porn thespians I'm sure), a glass pipe, a CARTON of cigarettes, some emptie baggies, loose pot leaves, and a bottle of jack.
What did I do? I did my job. I put on latex gloves - relocated the Mac to a less cluttered location, vaccummed it out with a HEPA filtered computer vac. And fixed the machine. Got paid. Thanked them. And made sure they'd call me if they had any problems.
Society and all of their judgements should all go straight h*ll. It's boring, lame and a waste of time. All you antismoking bandwagoneers get a life. Wouldn't life be so much better if we could just let people LIVE their lives. Rather than spending your lives hating and despising and hating another group of people. I could care less what you do. I may not have the same habits as you or vice versa. I've met some great people from bible thumpers to smokers. And I have liked many of them.

Apple gimme a break. Love ya but please get a grip ya just look lame now.

-David
mac repair (part time)
full time student (astrophysics major)

You sir, are a true pimp and a patriot.
Your manliness is intimidating to us all.

Got any educated bets on this CERN thing - boson or no boson?
post #191 of 332
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Dunno about that, there have been some pretty awesome smokers in our history.

Yeah, and some awesome pedophiles, wife beaters, rapists, and murderers, too, right?

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However it definitely sucks to have whine flu.

Hope you get over it soon, then.

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This will change. You can't tell people what they can and can't do in their own businesses.

Right! How dare we have regulations prohibiting child labor, prohibiting exposing workers to asbestos, and requiring mine safety equipment? In the middle of a recession like this, we should be letting businesses take full advantage of the desperate straits American families find themselves in.

Go watch some more of your Ron Paul porn.
post #192 of 332
Sounds ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. But, as a private company, Apple can make it's own policies, and of course we are free to buy from other companies, or start our own...
post #193 of 332
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Its illegal in ALOT of places, such as some indoor restaurants and SMU has recently banned it from the entire campus! I think Apple is completely right in doing this. Apple may have some employees with asthma and having even hints of smoke in a computer can cause them to have an attack!

Sucks to be a smoker. Best to quit.

I think most people consider "illegal" to be something that can't be done anywhere. Smoking is most certainly "restricted" in many places but I wouldn't call it illegal. If it was illegal then you couldn't purchase tobacco. I'm a non-smoker in Ohio and we've had a "ban" on public indoor smoking for a few years. You can still purchase tobacco, though.

Driving over the speed limit isn't illegal because it would imply that driving is illegal. Of course driving speed is restricted by law and exceeding the speed limit make one subject to fine.
post #194 of 332
I think people are being willfully obtuse and blinded by their hatred of smokers. This is where the incessant anti-smoking campaign have taken us--towards absolute hatred and license to screw people.

Do you people not see where this can lead? No one is arguing that if smoke has actually DAMAGED your computer, that counts like any other reason to void a warranty from personal damage. What is however obvious from this "decree" is that if a computer merely "smells" of smoke that Apple deems it a "health hazard" which is beyond ridiculous. This opens the door for Apple to void warranties easily and without proof of anything. A computer may not be damaged at all by smoke residue but if it even has a wiff of left over smoke then they will call that a biohazard and refuse to service your computer.

As companies scramble to find ways to not honor warranties this opens the door to probably the most pain-free (for Apple) way of screwing someone out of their warranty. But because we all hate smokers so much now, we all cheer at another way to give them the middle finger--after all they are nasty disgusting drug addicted sub humans who don't deserve their computers services because the mere leftover SMELL of smoke is hazardous! If you're so stupid as not to see where this will lead, just watch as Apple will claim that YOUR computer smells of smoke and therefore can't be services even if you're a non-smoker. You won't be gleeful then.
post #195 of 332
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

water is dangerous:
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS

water is toxic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication


Notice OSHA's page for nicotine doesn't say anything about carcinogenicity. It's almost entirely about concentration limits in the air to prevent poisoning. It does mention teratogenicity (in animals), but at exposure levels that are extremely high.
http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsamp...CH_256500.html

Spewing hot-button phrases like "nicotine is on OSHA's list!" is silly without a contextual interpretation. My interpretation is that, to protect its employees, Apple might just need to improve ventilation in the work place, at least when a smelly computer is being worked on. Oh, and Apple needs to honor its warranties.

OBVIOUSLY water applies differently than smoke residue! Why even mention water?? LOL, you actually brought up water intoxication. What does that have to do with servicing hardware?
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we are free to buy from other companies, or start our own...

Word!
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post #197 of 332
Smoke WEED not Tobacco!
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Smoke WEED not Tobacco!

How about smoke whatever you want?
post #199 of 332
It's a shame really. Take a parent. Kid blows off a finger using a firework. Instead of her being punished for neglet, let's pass a law banning all fireworks.

Kid goes to science musuem, falls off a dislplay he should not have crossed. Instead of punishing the parent, let's pass a law that pits the whole thing behing 5 feet of glass.

Laws, laws, and more laws and ironically due to indiviuals not taking responsibility and acts as a slug using our govt. to take the place of good parenting. Man this countries a mess. Did you know in the 1970s kiddie porn was legal. Look at how the world viewed gays back then. Now look at you person who we label demented for child porn. They would have been labeled the same, demented, for being gay, but now it's tolerence. Gay was once classified as a sickness. Today doctors are saying the same thing about people who like kiddie porn, a sickness so what does this mean ??? In 20 years do we tolerate kiddie porn??

Law laws and more laws. People. Wake up. Our civil liberties are being taken away each day and trust me, one day it WILL AFFECT YOU.


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Really? I thought he made an excellent point.



See? This is nonsense. You're not really saying anything there. It really doesn't matter whether smoking is legal or illegal, as smoking is an inalienable right. Well, I should say, it's an inalienable right in the mind of anyone who wishes to not be labeled a hypocrite and thinks that they have a right to eat cheeseburgers. If you think people should be locked up for eating cheeseburgers, well, in that case at least you're not a hypocrite.



Ah, but so are those who drink lots of coffee, and eat lots of chocolate. They are drug addicts too, literally, technically, however you want to qualify it, they are. :-p

I have no problem with people who are addicted to the drug caffeine, nor do I have a problem with people who are addicted to the drug nicotine.

So, unless their warranty doesn't cover coffee spills or nicotine tars and that is in fact the cause of the damage, they are all entitled to have their computers repaired. Otherwise it's just robbery. Shame on Apple.



I must disagree with you here.

You see, when someone eats red meat they are in fact supporting an industry that is effectively destroying the environment in which you and I live, and so red meat eaters are perhaps more dangerous than smokers.

Likewise, lying around in the sun can give those people who are lying in the sun skin cancer, thereby killing them and robbing their children of adequate raising and nurturing, turning them into criminals who rob me.

Hmm... come to think of it, many of the activities people engage in, even seemingly those that are personal, can have consequences just as bad if not worse than smoking a cigarette, which as you rightly point out, can harm other people as well.

I therefore propose we execute 95% of the population, that outta fix it.



It is, and there have been many examples of laptop repair people dying as a result of touching a computer contaminated by smoke. I have the statistics lying around here somewhere...

I myself have lost 3 friends due to this phenomenon, and they were even wearing masks and gloves!



You are absolutely correct. Perhaps you'll join me in a similar quest to rid the world of those addicted to coffee, chocolate, McDonald's fries, and various other pollutants. Maybe we could pool our asshole resources and finally create a Christian/Catholic utopia where people do not have sex, use scissors with sharp edges, ride bicycles without helmets, and other dangerous and irresponsible activities.

My friend, you are truly an inspiration to us all. Can I offer you my hallway patrol safety belt that I wore proudly as a maggot of age 7? Those hallways have never been as clean and free of hooligans as when I was around, striking fear in the hearts of anyone with who had any spirit left in them. It's a cherished memory, that belt, but you remind me so much of myself that I think you should have it, I'm getting too old for it...
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Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post

I repair about 10 macs a week. I shudder to think what Apple would do with some of the machines I work on. I recently saw a mac with the following items on the desk beside it: lube (for admiring porn thespians I'm sure), a glass pipe, a CARTON of cigarettes, some emptie baggies, loose pot leaves, and a bottle of jack.
What did I do? I did my job. I put on latex gloves - relocated the Mac to a less cluttered location, vaccummed it out with a HEPA filtered computer vac. And fixed the machine. Got paid. Thanked them. And made sure they'd call me if they had any problems.
Society and all of their judgements should all go straight h*ll. It's boring, lame and a waste of time. All you antismoking bandwagoneers get a life. Wouldn't life be so much better if we could just let people LIVE their lives. Rather than spending your lives hating and despising and hating another group of people. I could care less what you do. I may not have the same habits as you or vice versa. I've met some great people from bible thumpers to smokers. And I have liked many of them.

Apple gimme a break. Love ya but please get a grip ya just look lame now.

-David
mac repair (part time)
full time student (astrophysics major)

Obvious you don't attend my school and have yet to graduate.

Thousands of computers have gone through and been service by Apple and to chastize them because they firstly wouldn't honor his Apple Care warranty because "Employees at one Apple store reportedly told a customer that her computer was "beyond economical repair due to tar from cigarette smoke." Which, as the conditions of the WARRANTEE stipulate is perfectly within their grounds.

According to the article, only one of the two reportedly dissatisfied customers was told that the employees refused to work on the machine because of health concerns.

Certain, nobody can force their employees to work on or in an environment that was obviously contaminated and in this particular instance by an noted toxin. For Apple to do so, would ensure a litigation beyond anything seen to date.

Your choice to do so is your prerogative. As you said you "Got Paid." You didn't do it for nothing. Good for you. However, how did you take care of the waste materials? The fact that you do this as a business subjects you to certain laws.

Good luck.

P.S. Your laissez faire attitude reminds me of a few friends of mine that got involved in removing asbestos insulation. Some made a lot of money. All died an early and horrible death.

And don't get me wrong. You are absolutely right when you say, "Wouldn't life be so much better if we could just let people LIVE their lives." So what is wrong? Some people just have to be reminded of it. That's all.
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