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post #201 of 332
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Originally Posted by fmaxwell View Post

Yeah, and some awesome pedophiles, wife beaters, rapists, and murderers, too, right?



Hope you get over it soon, then.



Right! How dare we have regulations prohibiting child labor, prohibiting exposing workers to asbestos, and requiring mine safety equipment? In the middle of a recession like this, we should be letting businesses take full advantage of the desperate straits American families find themselves in.

Go watch some more of your Ron Paul porn.

Where did you get Ron Paul? I certainly don't get into politicians and their fan clubs. Try again, your pseudo-intellectual reflexes are inadequate, unwind and do some better thinking. There's more here than your limited scope of current political characters. Teens...

Comparing smokers with pedophiles, wife beaters, rapists, etc. is pretty clueless. But nice of you to prove all my previous points.

Non-smokers = you & I.
Smokers = Mark Twain & Albert Einstein.
You can 'pipe' down anytime now.

So you think that the government should tell people which jobs are unsafe? Shouldn't mine workers decide if their pay is adequate to work in a certain condition? Do mine workers want to pay more in taxes for the government to butt in, or would they rather have more pay for hazardous work? I'll let you spin on that for a while, ginger pills are supposed to help with the effects of dizziness.

And those child labor laws, how effective were those? Or did you mean to point out the advances in the technology of milling equipment that most historians cite as the real mechanism that made factories in the Industrial Revolution safer? As opposed to the rather ineffective and largely unenforced labor laws? Gotcha. Yes, you're absolutely right... Abraham Lincoln flew into each and every textile mill in his gold plated zeppelin and freed all the children just like Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom.

Oh yeah... you also are so right... private businesses are all inherently evil. Not the mechanism that drove the development of the middle class, and dismantled the elitist, antiquated hegemony of the aristocracy.
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OBVIOUSLY water applies differently than smoke residue! Why even mention water?? LOL, you actually brought up water intoxication. What does that have to do with servicing hardware?

What do OSHA regulations say about "smoke residue"? Nada. Zip. Zilch. The regulations concern concentrations in air.

Water can be toxic just as nicotine can be toxic. Obviously.
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

It's a shame really. .........

Law laws and more laws. People. Wake up. Our civil liberties are being taken away each day and trust me, one day it WILL AFFECT YOU.

It's too late. (Trust me, I am no right-wing nut; indeed, far from it).
post #204 of 332
I say Amen. Smokers hate it when other point out how foul and disgusting their habit actually is.

Bottom line: smoking makes you smell. Wake up and smell the ashtray that you are.

Morons.
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"Many things" ??? ... Such as?

A beach house, use in a cellar, etc,etc, etc, etc . Use your brain- it's not that difficult.
post #206 of 332
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

Dude. Have you ever been to smomeones house, smoke free and have a look at their fans. Olooks just like that. As I said earilier l, it's been reported than living in LA during the summer is like 3 times WORSE than smoking. I mean, crap, they have hazard day ALERTS TO STAY INDOORS. So living in LA IN THE SUMMER is like smoking. Nice

I meanm, I've seen cars that sit for two days and it's covered in soot iike there was a fire during the summer. And then of course there are pets. Where and when dId this happen anyway????

Most production lots and cabanas have smoke everywhere and especially the hollywood hiils.

I totally agree - this is all bush*t. That picture could be from living in NYC. This sounds like more AL Gore bullsh*t.
post #207 of 332
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Originally Posted by Bobo Decosta View Post

Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.

A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?

Just buy a new liver. Not that big a deal.
post #208 of 332
AppleCare is not accidental damage insurance. AppleCare states that it will honor service for failures attributed to manufacturing defects. This alone disqualifies repairs being covered by AppleCare. Nicotine creates a tar film on the internal components of computers contributing to their failure, get a tech job and see this for yourself if you're in disbelief.

Additionally, AppleCare Protection Plan is not marketed as an accidental coverage or even as a warranty. The term warranty requires companies to honor service terms as is. By using the words protection plan, terms and fees can change at any time. If you do not like your AppleCare service you can contact Apple and they will cancel the remaining term of your protection plan and refund you a prorated amount.

Enough with the tone of entitlement. Read what you're buying into. Accidental insurance, which APP is not, have rarely been profitable for companies or priced reasonably because people can break or damage what they want and get a replacement. This makes no business sense to offer.*
post #209 of 332
I have to side with Apple here. Some of these smokers are such filthy slobs that their homes and everything in them are coated by a layer of tar and ash. Their white Macbooks are now yellow, their fans are caked with a blend of tar, dust, ash, and cat hair. Food and Lord knows what else is spattered all over the keyboard and screen. I would definitely deem this computer untouchable at any cost. A request for service would be followed by a disbelieving stare and an "Are you effing kidding me?" Let it go to trial. Just make sure that the jury sees the evidence.
post #210 of 332
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

And that's just OSHA my friends. Wait until Obamacare is shoved down our throats what with all it's "shalls" and "wills" obey the government or else the government will fine and/or incarcerate!

I'm sure the Welfare/Red States will all be able to opt out, and therefore remain the bastions of patriotic freedom where people drag their obese children to WalMart to proudly buy flags made in China and wave them in support of "the troups" they sent to die by the thousands so the US could spend $4 TRILLION dollars sponsoring a cycle of war and rebuilding projects in Iraq that benefitted Bush corporate allies.

Thank Jebus that the US is last in education, has crumbling infrastructure, and broken health care, while Bush gave a $1.4 trillion windfall to the super rich and $1 trillion to Wall Street frauds with no strings attached.

And blame Obama that there's no jobs and a rotten economy now, and suggest that the $1 trillion in stimulus is why the US is in debt, not the aforementioned $6.6 trillion Bush diverted from public funds to his ultra rich base while letting the US become the shame of the world.

Oh wait, what does solving health care have to do with Apple refusing to fix a machine covered in poisonous tar?

I recall working for a company where a vandal peed on our laptops, and Dell refused to fix them under warranty because they were deemed a hasmat risk. Pretty obviously reasonable unless you are a teabagger.
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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

Where did you get Ron Paul?

Because your parroting all of his don't-regulate-business, free-market-solves-everything crap.

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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

Try again, your pseudo-intellectual reflexes are inadequate, unwind and do some better thinking.

I am an actual intellectual. My mistake was in assuming that you had a better understanding of politics than you do.

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Comparing smokers with pedophiles, wife beaters, rapists, etc. is pretty clueless.

I didn't compare them to any of those people. I just showed the stupidity of your "logic" in which you imply that we shouldn't say bad things about smokers because some smokers also did good things. Again, I overestimated you.

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Non-smokers = you & I.

Maybe you've done nothing to be proud of, never accomplished anything of significance, but that would be an area where we differ.

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Smokers = Mark Twain & Albert Einstein.

So what? If I can find four pedophiles, six rapists, and someone who tortured animals that smoked, would that mean have any bearing on whether smoking should be viewed in a positive light?


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So you think that the government should tell people which jobs are unsafe?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

Shouldn't mine workers decide if their pay is adequate to work in a certain condition?

No.

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Do mine workers want to pay more in taxes for the government to butt in, or would they rather have more pay for hazardous work?

I don't care what they want. The fact that a mining company can find economically desperate people does not mean that the government should let the company send those people down without respirators, poisonous gas detectors, hearing protection, and eye protection.

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I'll let you spin on that for a while, ginger pills are supposed to help with the effects of dizziness.

You act like you said something profound when all you did was expose your failure to reason and think critically.

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And those child labor laws, how effective were those?

Very. It's why McDonalds and Walmart can't have 12 year olds working 12 hour days seven days a week.

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Originally Posted by gatormantn View Post

I say Amen. Smokers hate it when other point out how foul and disgusting their habit actually is.

Bottom line: smoking makes you smell. Wake up and smell the ashtray that you are.

Morons.

Thank you, gatormantn!
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Originally Posted by yetibiker View Post

I have to side with Apple here. Some of these smokers are such filthy slobs that their homes and everything in them are coated by a layer of tar and ash. Their white Macbooks are now yellow, their fans are caked with a blend of tar, dust, ash, and cat hair. Food and Lord knows what else is spattered all over the keyboard and screen. I would definitely deem this computer untouchable at any cost. A request for service would be followed by a disbelieving stare and an "Are you effing kidding me?" Let it go to trial. Just make sure that the jury sees the evidence.

What does dust and cat hair have to do with smoking? What if you don't smoke but live alongside a freeway? Is all that exhaust the owners blame? Not all of us can live in a antiseptic Dyson house. This yet another example of Apple snobbery.
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I totally agree - this is all bush*t. That picture could be from living in NYC. This sounds like more AL Gore bullsh*t.

I knew techstud was a teabagger! Maybe it's Palin in between her tweets and facebook updates insulting the 19 year old boy who knocked up her spread eagle daughter. She has lots of free time now that she quit her job and took credit for a book ghostwritten somebody else, so it makes sense.
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Damn cat owners!
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

What does dust and cat hair have to do with smoking? What if you don't smoke but live alongside a freeway? Is all that exhaust the owners blame? Not all of us can live in a antiseptic Dyson house. This yet another example of Apple snobbery.

Dust and cat hair have to do with being a slob. Not all smokers are slobs. I am sure that Applecare has serviced their fair share of non-yellow Macbooks owned by smokers who are not slobs and will continue to do so in the future. Keeping a clean home does not make you a snob. Living in filth does make you a slob.
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

What does dust and cat hair have to do with smoking?

Cigarette smoke leaves a residue that causes things like dust and cat hair to adhere to inside of the computer. Also, the other poster was alluding to the fact that people who smoke are often disgusting, dirty slobs. When someone's home reeks of tobacco smoke and has ashtrays with ashes and saliva-soaked cigarette butts lying around, it's not surprising to learn that cleanliness is not their top priority.
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Originally Posted by geekdad View Post

Wow! You caught it twice? I thought after having it once that you built up the antibodies or imunity for it?

Yes you do, that's why the second time it's been not as severe as the first.


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If you can catch it more than once then doesn't that negate the shot?


Yes as I have built up the anti-bodies from the first instance, but it takes some time apparently for the body to build the defense back up if it's hit again. It took a long time the first time, I should have gone in for help, but it messes with your mind and is rather low key at first so you just think you'll get over it.

That it laid me out for three days the second time around goes to show this is no bug to screw with and a drug resistant version is making the rounds now.

So everyone should get the shot regardless, it's just a harmless version of the real thing, but it builds up the anti-bodies so it's not so bad if they get the real thing.

The reason perhaps certain people are dying is because their bodies fail to build the right anti-bodies for some reason or another.
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post #218 of 332
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Cigarette smoke leaves a residue that causes things like dust and cat hair to adhere to inside of the computer. Also, the other poster was alluding to the fact that people who smoke are often disgusting, dirty slobs. When someone's home reeks of tobacco smoke and has ashtrays with ashes and saliva-soaked cigarette butts lying around, it's not surprising to learn that cleanliness is not their top priority.

Cigarette smoke and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression. Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize. Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob? There are many respectable smokers.
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

Boy do you watch to much CNN or what. I don't smoke pot but the paper companies in the late 1800s saw hemp as a threat, so Tindale or Hammermill outlawed it. I also have an under cover narc friend one is narc, the other DEA, drugs are made illegal because you cannot patient a plant, opium, where all the morphine to codeine started, so since you can't patient it, outlaw it. Who wins? The pharmacutical companies.

Read about prohibition. How it created the mob. Go back further and you'll see tin cans that read for a busy mom and baby, opium candy to help you relax and thatbwas less than 100 years ago.

Go to college. Learn. Read. Absorb. Let your mind be open for a change. I like to use food as an anlogy. What does it feel like to be hungry? You can't explain it right. But you eat and feel satisfied. Same with smokers. I used to be one. But again. There are way to many rules in this country. O remember visiting holland. It was beautiful and we went up this windmill and saw a skull and cross bones. That's it. Meaning you can go around the rope but you could also die. In the US, that display would be off limits, protected by 5 feet of glass and unresponsible parents allow laws to be changed due to their bad patenting and we all pay. You'll see. Someday it will affect you.

It's probably too late for you to read this since it's Sunday now and the thread is long but what a lot of BS.

Your whole post could be boiled down to ... "chill." Why even bother writing this junk?

- There are "too many rules" in the USA? The USA is one of the least rule dominated countries on earth. Most people would say the exact opposite of you and think that the USA could actually *use* a few "rules."

- Smoking is like eating? Give me a break.

- Prohibition has nothing to do with anything we are talking about and no one, least of all me has said that smoking should be illegal altogether. My words were "illegal in public."

- It's you that needs to "go to College" ("University" in the rest of the world), and open your mind to some actual facts. Your DEA friends are full of it, and you don't seem to know anything about it either. All you got is some BS conspiracy theory about "patients" (patents?). I bet you believe in Alien Abductions as well.

For your information, I'm a University graduate that has read a lot more about all of this than you seem to have. I am also a former smoker and have a lot of real life first hand experience with drug addicts. Two people in my family have died from smoking.

The sad thing about smokers, even those that claim to like it and do it because "they want to," is that they all quit eventually. Every last one of them that doesn't get run over by a bus eventually quits even if it's only on their death beds, and every last one of them regrets not quitting sooner.

I know I'm being mean to the smokers by being so strident, but hey that's the only thing that actually works with drug addicts. Tough love, and shaming. For anyone thinking of quitting, all the commiseration and crutches in the world won't get you anywhere, but that will. Smokers are drug addicts and need to feel ashamed that they are so that they get up the gumption to quit.
post #220 of 332
After reading through many of the posts here it seems there's probably a 50/50 split for and against the consumer here so to throw my wait to the "Against the consumer" side I too have worked on many a machine that had damage due to smoking. I too have been affected health wise when working on machines (although not from the smokey machines).

Computers pick up a great deal of crud, especially if they've been sitting on the floor. One of our customers has machines in each of their branches and they are all tower cases sitting on the floor. On numerous occasions I have actually got the flue from these machines because of inhaling the dust. I've used masks but they are bulky and get in the way of doing the job effectively.

Also, believe it or not but smoke can spring a hard drive. If you don't know what I'm talking about think of the shavings from a metal lathe. That can happen to your hard drive mostly when you get a head crash but it's been proven that the same thing can happen because of a single grain of cigarette smoke. The distances between the platters and the heads are very small so if cigarette smoke got in there say bye bye to your data.

Smoking is such a horrible habit and I personally have never smoked even a single cigarette in my life but then I had the luxury of seeing what happens to smokers with one of my nanas dying of lung cancer, and all my other grand parents having smoking related illnesses mostly asthma and emphysema right up until they died. It just never seemed worth it.

I fully support Apple on this call. There's a reason why computers are built in vacuums and you want to go and destroy all that by smoking in the same room as your computer?

I hate smokers. Why should I have to breath in their UNFILTERED smoke, inhaling 400 different chemicals ALL harmful to the human body merely because you're too weak willed to give up and you need a fix? Why should MY clothes smell of disgusting cigarette smoke? Why does no one pull up a smoker when they smoke within 3 metres of a door when it's illegal to do so? Why should we computer engineers be forced to work on disgusting computers all because someone needs their fix but needs to do work as well?

Nope, sorry but frankly Apple's got the right attitude here. They're protecting their workers which is more than can be said of many other employees. Stick it to them Apple.
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Damn cat owners!

ROFL . . . aahhh, I needed that.
post #222 of 332
The title of this article is a bit misleading. If I brought my macbook pro in and they found it to be full of grass clippings, the article would be titled "Mowing may void Applecare warranty". Pure shock value.

The truth is that if I mowed with my computer, and a foreign substance got inside that impeded the workings of the system, it would not be covered.

Thank god I kicked my mowing and surfing habit years ago!
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Hey Pal, is this your keyboard by any chance?




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Originally Posted by Bobo Decosta View Post

Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.

A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?
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post #224 of 332
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Cigarette smoke and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression. Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize. Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob? There are many respectable smokers.

You're confusing the person to the habit and therefore aren't really making a point.

Just because they do or don't smoke doesn't mean they are or aren't respectable but in no way shape or form is sucking back on a tar inducing, 400 toxic chemical, phallic shaped, entity respectable.

The cigarette has all these toxic chemicals basically to mask the taste of tobacco in the first place. Now if no one would really smoke tobacco in the first place then there'd be not as many smokers today would there?

But the only reason people start smoking is because they're not man enough to say "No" when peer pressure comes knocking. People want to fit in so if all their friends are smoking then instead of finding new friends or standing up and saying "NO!" and "Please don't smoke around me" they start to smoke. Instead of being their own person they try and change themselves to fit in with other people's ideas of what they should be like. It's really quite sad. If they feel you need to change into something that goes against everything you believe in then they are no friends of yours because real friends will take you as you are and respect you for it.

Nope, smoking is not a good thing, it never has been a good thing, and it never will be a good thing. It damages the smoker, it damages the innocent bystander, and it lowers the respect others have of you. Not seeing any upshots to smoking here.
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Originally Posted by fmaxwell View Post

Cigarette smoke leaves a residue that causes things like dust and cat hair to adhere to inside of the computer.

Dander and dust stick to your computers components regardless of wether or not smoke from a cigarette started the problem. Hope no one here uses scented candles around the house because it does the same damned thing.

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- There are "too many rules" in the USA? The USA is one of the least rule dominated countries on earth.

I know I'm being mean to the smokers by being so strident, but hey that's the only thing that actually works with drug addicts.

gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.


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I hate smokers. Why should I have to breath in their UNFILTERED smoke, inhaling 400 different chemicals ALL harmful to the human body merely because you're too weak willed to give up and you need a fix?

I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.

As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime. It's been our best year yet!
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post #226 of 332
Actually among the 40 largest cities, NYC air quality is comparatively good.

NYC is 31 out of 40, with 40 being the best.

America's Most Toxic Cities



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I totally agree - this is all bush*t. That picture could be from living in NYC. This sounds like more AL Gore bullsh*t.
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Actually among the 40 largest cities, NYC air quality is comparatively good.

NYC is 31 out of 40, with 40 being the best.

America's Most Toxic Cities

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Hey Pal, is this your keyboard by any chance?


I just threw up a little in my mouth.

Wow. I can't even relate to that. My MBP, keyboard - everything, is absolutely spotless.

Tip: one of the best cleaners (that won't damage surfaces) is Windex. At least the current formula is safe. Obviously, wet a cloth with it rather than spraying it on directly.
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gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.

When the US is spoken of being litigious. That's talking about private litigation between two party's. That's completely different from governmental regulation. Which the US is not the most strict.


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I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.

The air quality in major cities is not equal to sitting in a closed room with second hand smoke. You are stretching you point a bit thin.
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Do you have proof that these workers have no choice in the matter and are not able to quite work if they so choose? Are you implying that the Chinese factories that make Apples products are less healthy than the Chinese factories that make all other products in the world?

No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.

Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.
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I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.

As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime. It's been our best year yet!

I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.

There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.

90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.

As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.
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No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.

I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese govts treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. Id say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I cant fight this battle as there is no solution so Im not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.

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Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.

I cant see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.
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I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
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I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.

I think its a stupid reason to give when misuse neglect are obviously visably noticable if you can see second-hand smoke and dust build up.

Why dont you take it apart and clean it out yourself before sending it in. Hell, it may even fix the problem. If you see the build up then the laser is likely coated.
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If we have a problem with the Chinese govts treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country.

Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.

The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.

China's not really doing anything other nations like America aren't doing it's just that with such a massive population the problem gets more exposed.
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It would be a hoot if the President sent in his computer to Apple (if he has a Mac) for servicing and they refused to fix it because of smoke contamination.
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Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.

China isn't going to call in the debt. The US is essentially borrowing back the money that we have pumped into the Chinese economy.

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The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.

China has grown, but its limited in many ways. None of our modern technology has been invented in China. Technological advancements are mostly made in the US and Europe, China is used for manufacturing. Most of what China builds comes from other countries. The Chinese government restricts and limits its own ability innovate new ideas.
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A]Name one country where it's illegal -- it's certainly not illegal in the US, where I live.

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Well this is your mistake, you are assuming that everywhere is like the USA. In Canada it's illegal in most public places, all indoor public places, all restaurants, bars, and public buildings and on all sidewalks within 10 metres of the building. You can smoke in your car, your house, and on a residential sidewalk but that's about it. New laws will be coming into effect banning even more places next year. There are countries with more severe restrictions than us, but I am not going to look them up for you.

Never mind that there are places in the US that have laws this restrictive List of smoking bans in the United States; Pasadena, CA is one such example. Even here in Las Cruces, NM smoking is very restrictive and they are planning to join California, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Maine in banning smoking in a car if you have kids with you.
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I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese govts treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. Id say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I cant fight this battle as there is no solution so Im not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.

I cant see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.

I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?

Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
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I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.

There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.

90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.

As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.

Dude- that's not my post- why are you attributing that to me? It's too long for one thing.
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