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With great evidence that the latest revision of the iPod touch was intended to include a camera, a new rumor suggests Apple will add the feature to a new model set for release in the first half of 2010.

The latest rumor suggests that a new iPod touch with a video camera will arrive with an upgrade next spring. According to an "inside source" who spoke with The Examiner, the new iPod touch will have the same video-only camera that is in the new fifth-generation iPod nano, which was released in September.

The report corroborates what AppleInsider learned in September -- that the latest iPod touch upgrade was originally intended to include a camera, but the feature was scrapped just before release due to a batch of bad parts. But sources have said that Apple still intends to eventually release an iPod touch with a camera.

That Apple intends to release a new iPod touch with camera is not new, but the alleged timing is. In 2008, Apple did a mid-cycle upgrade of the device, offering double the memory in a February debut.

A teardown of the late 2009 iPod touch revealed that it includes space for a video camera like in the iPod nano. The camera space supported previous photos of a purported prototype of the hardware, complete with a centered camera on its back. In addition, numerous third-party cases included space for a camera on the iPod touch.
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Cool ..I'm buying an 8GB Touch on Black Friday just so I'll have something. I really want a 32GB so I'll wait until that model comes out with a camera. The 8GB will hold me over until then.
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the new iPod touch will have the same video-only camera that is in the new fifth-generation iPod nano

That would be an insult. Apple, make the damn thing 1-2 mm thicker so you can put a real camera in it.

GPS and the compass would be nice, too. But at least get the camera right first!
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That's right. Free camera, same price as current model. And perhaps an FM radio too. That will be a very sweet deal.
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That's right. Free camera, same price as current model. And perhaps an FM radio too. That will be a very sweet deal.

Except to those who bought it last September and fell for Steve jobs' crap that it's primarily a gaming device.
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Where is the mic's placement- like the iPhone's? Make it a real Skype phone finally? Is this Apple's AT&T payback for being such a ball and chain and all the bad publicity it's given Apple?
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It'll be interesting to see the iPod numbers from Q1 2010 but Apple probably lost some sales due to the lack of a camera with the latest iPod Touch. Why it is that big of a deal I'm not sure? If it packed a 5 mega pixel camera with sould serious digital zoom and auto correct along with a flash then that might replace some consumer cameras.

I'd say Apple should update the camera in January as spring is a bit far away.
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Cool ..I'm buying an 8GB Touch on Black Friday just so I'll have something. I really want a 32GB so I'll wait until that model comes out with a camera. The 8GB will hold me over until then.

Why black friday? Is Apple discounting it by $5 ?
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I'd say Apple should update the camera in January as spring is a bit far away.

Right? Really piss off all those who bought it in September.
Oh I'm so glad I predicted all this. Where is AI's ear (the one who dwells at the Ansible) to Steve Jobs- eating crow?
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That's right. Free camera, same price as current model. And perhaps an FM radio too. That will be a very sweet deal.

wOow, re-inventing the camera and especially the FM radio in an mp3 player... now that's what I'm calling innovation.

Way to go, Apple!

Oups, it's just a rumor, so... maybe they will not.
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wOow, re-inventing the camera and especially the FM radio in an mp3 player... now that's what I'm calling innovation.

Way to go, Apple!

Oups, it's just a rumor, so... maybe they will not.

Hey -Where's solipsism to tell us about what Apple's business model is!
post #12 of 93
WTF....we dont want that cheap ass Video Only camera on iPod Touch. Please Apple dont slap our faces with something like that....I bought the DSI for my daughter because you guys f'd up the last round.....
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I knew it
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With great evidence that the latest revision of the iPod touch was intended to include a camera, a new rumor suggests Apple will add the feature to a new model set for release in the first half of 2010.

The latest rumor suggests that a new iPod touch with a video camera will arrive with an upgrade next spring. According to an "inside source" who spoke with The Examiner, the new iPod touch will have the same video-only camera that is in the new fifth-generation iPod nano, which was released in September.

My contention has been that Apple can take on yet a new market (Flip is scrambling to deal with the Nano even as I write) with a new (and separate model of) the Touch.

Namely, the P&S camera market. In terms of "thinness" all they have to do is package it in the existing iPhone chassis and use that depth and the room left over throughout the case because of no need for cellular radios and other phone hardware to release a new model specifically targeted at the 5-8 megapixel camera range. With luck they could even squeeze in an optical zoom of sorts (sorry I don't know the physics here), certainly a flash and likely 720p.

Would it take the same quality photos as a good Canon in the same price range? No, but you don't get an iPod, multi-touch internet and 100K apps in a Coolpix or Elph either, and a "good enough for real use" camera on top of all that with no extra device to carry should ensure beaucoup more Touch sales as it becomes their device of choice for yet another function where market share is lying ready to be grabbed.

It could also be separated from the existing Touch line in several other subtle ways I leave to others' imaginations, but the second small front facing screen on the latest Samsung P&S (e.g., for self-portraiture and video calling) is one idea.

And be a reason for true fans to add yet another slightly differentiated gee-gaw to their stable of Apple products.

Of course what seems obvious to me often seems less so to SteveCo.

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Why it is that big of a deal I'm not sure? If it packed a 5 mega pixel camera with sould serious digital zoom and auto correct along with a flash then that might replace some consumer cameras.

Serious digital zoom? Did you mean to type that or was that a joke? What the hell could make a digital zoom serious? You realize that digital zoom just cuts out part of the shot and blows up the rest, right?
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I'd been intending to buy a Touch for a long time but was waiting for Apple to add a camera. Now if it comes out with a video-only camera, I'll have to forget it entirely. What is this infatuation with video-only cameras?
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Once again Apple has deeply disappointed me by failing to make a rumored feature measure up to a speculative level of performance in service to my theoretical needs.
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Serious digital zoom? Did you mean to type that or was that a joke? What the hell could make a digital zoom serious? You realize that digital zoom just cuts out part of the shot and blows up the rest, right?

and you realize that is exactly how an optical zoom also works, right?
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and you realize that is exactly how an optical zoom also works, right?

There's quite a difference between optically reframing a shot while using the full sensor resolution and simply magnifying some portion of that sensor resolution electronically to make it bigger.
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and you realize that is exactly how an optical zoom also works, right?

Riiiight. Enjoy your digital zoom.
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Riiiight. Enjoy your digital zoom.


Uh, thanks but I don't have it.
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Maybe this will come out along side the "Apple Tablet"
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and you realize that is exactly how an optical zoom also works, right?

No, it isn't. There is no interpolation in optical zoom. Why use digital zoom when you can get better results using iPhoto, where you can fine-tune your framing from the fully-framed shot? That's why I never use digital zoom in any device.

If you don't understand that, I'll make it simple: a digitally zoomed picture will be blurrier at the same resolution than the same shot made with optical zoom.
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No, it isn't. There is no interpolation in optical zoom. Why use digital zoom when you can get better results using iPhoto, where you can fine-tune your framing from the fully-framed shot? That's why I never use digital zoom in any device.

If you don't understand that, I'll make it simple: a digitally zoomed picture will be blurrier at the same resolution than the same shot made with optical zoom.

A better option than digital zoom (which I agree is actually worse than no zoom at all) would be a digital real-time crop. Instead of cropping after the fact in iPhoto, or even if the phone's software after the photo was taken, you could "zoom" in to take the photo and the camera would simply crop the photo to that framing when you press the shutter without then scaling the photo back up to the full resolution of the sensor, which only degrades the quality.

People who think digital zoom is a useful feature likely won't even know the difference, and it would protect them from themselves doing silly things.

Hm, I kinda like the idea of a digital real-time crop the more I think of it. I call dibs on the patent!
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Except to those who bought it last September and fell for Steve jobs' crap that it's primarily a gaming device.

Jobs never once said that. This is the EXACT QUOTE:

Originally, we weren't exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was,

what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it's the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to 199 USD. We don't need to add new stuff. We need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. (emphasis added) From: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ses-ice-cream/

That's not at all the same thing as "that it's primarily a gaming device."

Sure, he's probably talking out of his ass about not needing to add new stuff. But… what, is he going to be honest and say that pulled it at the last minute because the camera fucking sucked, and they needed to rework some shit before releasing a Touch with a camera? Because that would be a sure-fire way to kill sales.

Anyway.

Me, I want a Touch with a camera or an iPhone without AT&T, whichever comes first.
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Jobs never once said that. This is the EXACT QUOTE:

Originally, we weren't exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was,

what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it's the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to 199 USD. We don't need to add new stuff. We need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. (emphasis added) From: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ses-ice-cream/

That's not at all the same thing as "that it's primarily a gaming device."

Sure, he's probably talking out of his ass about not needing to add new stuff. But what, is he going to be honest and say that pulled it at the last minute because the camera fucking sucked, and they needed to rework some shit before releasing a Touch with a camera? Because that would be a sure-fire way to kill sales.

Anyway.

Me, I want a Touch with a camera or an iPhone without AT&T, whichever comes first.

shh, don't let the facts get in the way of teckdud's hyperbole!

fwiw, i'd be disappointed if they didn't have a still camera in the next revision of the iPT.
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post #27 of 93
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Serious digital zoom? Did you mean to type that or was that a joke? What the hell could make a digital zoom serious? You realize that digital zoom just cuts out part of the shot and blows up the rest, right?

It is slang for "a lot".

My Blackberry has 5x digital zoom. Yes, I know what zoom does and wished I had more at the concert I was at last night. On the flip side I wished I had more pixel density and color depth but that's expecting a bit too much from my phone camera.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

That would be an insult. Apple, make the damn thing 1-2 mm thicker so you can put a real camera in it.

GPS and the compass would be nice, too. But at least get the camera right first!

That would give it too many of the iPhone's features and people will get an iPod touch instead of an iPhone.
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WTF....we dont want that cheap ass Video Only camera on iPod Touch.

Then get a 3GS.
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Oh, wow. More 640x480 video record.

C'mon Apple, at least put in something better than 0.3mp. How about a 1280x720 (or 1280x960) sensor - the improved CPU in the touch should be able to process that without a problem. It's still under a megapixel though.

Device slimness and camera quality are inversely linked. It seems a couple of millimetres can make a massive difference - 3.2mp on the iPhone 3GS.

The big problem is that I have very little interest in making videos of things in life, compared to taking a higher quality still photo.
post #31 of 93
One step at a time guys - at least let them add a camera shutter button!
post #32 of 93
Yet another carrot and stick from Apple, when it should have been included ages ago. I love my iMac, but the whole iPhone/touch thing is a joke. How many people will upgrade again for the same bloody device with a crap camera stuck on? The scales fell from my eyes when I upgraded to a 3GS on release day, and realised I had paid £200 for the same phone I had just sold.
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I'd been intending to buy a Touch for a long time but was waiting for Apple to add a camera. Now if it comes out with a video-only camera, I'll have to forget it entirely. What is this infatuation with video-only cameras?

I don't get it either.

I prefer to chill with the still! No need for moving images, a Touch that is able to capture great images would be a perfect companion during my urban dwellings.
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That would give it too many of the iPhone's features and people will get an iPod touch instead of an iPhone.

Not really. An iPhone comes with a data plan. And it has got a phone, the Touch hasn't.

Apple should market the Touch as a digital Moleskin sketchbook.
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Uh, thanks but I don't have it.

Sure you do - take any picture and open it in any picture editor. Crop the center of the picture. Then resize what remains to full size again. There you go! Digital zoom as well as any camera can do it.
post #36 of 93
All tech gadgets arrive to us obsolete. That's why I get my tech stuff more or less when I am good and ready. Not before. Not after. I never play the waiting game (unless we are talking about a few weeks at most).

I was good and ready for my first iPod a month ago and decided 32G touch would suit me perfectly. I am more than pleased with this little technological wonder. It does not automatically turn into dog meat when/if one comes out with camera/vid/mic/kitchen sink.

In this respect, ebay and craigslist have been a great liberation. Sell you old gizmos for going market price of used gizmos when you absolutely, positively must have your new gizmo. That's a square deal. Life sux sometimes but this is not one of those times.
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Why will the inclusion of a lousy video-only camera drive more sales? The camera in the Nano is less than mediocre.

The standalone music player market is quickly dying. The addition of a mediocre video capability will do little to stop this trend.
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Sure, he's probably talking out of his ass about not needing to add new stuff. But what, is he going to be honest and say that pulled it at the last minute because the camera fucking sucked, and they needed to rework some shit before releasing a Touch with a camera? Because that would be a sure-fire way to kill sales.

Well I guess not.
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Sure, he's probably talking out of his ass about not needing to add new stuff. But… what, is he going to be honest and say that pulled it at the last minute because the camera fucking sucked, and they needed to rework some shit before releasing a Touch with a camera? Because that would be a sure-fire way to kill sales.

Well I guess not.


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Originally Posted by gmcalpin View Post

Jobs never once said that. This is the EXACT QUOTE:

Originally, we weren't exactly sure how to market the Touch. Was it an iPhone without the phone? Was it a pocket computer? What happened was,

what customers told us was, they started to see it as a game machine.

We started to market it that way, and it just took off. And now what we really see is it's the lowest-cost way to the App Store, and thats the big draw. So what we were focused on is just reducing the price to 199 USD. We don't need to add new stuff. We need to get the price down where everyone can afford it. (emphasis added) From: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ses-ice-cream/

That's not at all the same thing as "that it's primarily a gaming device."

Sure, he's probably talking out of his ass about not needing to add new stuff. But… what, is he going to be honest and say that pulled it at the last minute because the camera fucking sucked, and they needed to rework some shit before releasing a Touch with a camera? Because that would be a sure-fire way to kill sales.

Anyway.

Me, I want a Touch with a camera or an iPhone without AT&T, whichever comes first.

I never said he directly said that if you reread my post.
Also you left this out (clever ommission I'd say):

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Mr. Jobs reiterated what Phil Schiller, the marketing vice president, had said earlier in the onstage presentation: that Apple is really pitching the iPod Touch as a game machine these days. And to do that, you have to make it as inexpensive as possible
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