Originally Posted by franksargent
OK, I'll bite.
This thread is about climate scientists private emails.
Care to expose thousands of emails from the Denialers?
Or, better yet, show us all some examples of bad behavior on the part of the Denialers.
As of yet we have very much less than half the true story, until an equal number of compromised and unflattering emails surface from the Denialers, that will forever be the case.
Do the Denialers have emails?
I don't even know what your "On both sides..." comment even means, in what context are you referring to?
There is examples of this behavior from all corners of American society. To pretend that any one side is clean of these tactics is denial by any side. In many respects when it comes to science there is a certain level of GIGO. You have the "safety net" of peer review which should catch the garbage and only allow the information deemed accurate through. What is being claimed here is that that process was being intentionally subverted so that a specific portion of the data is let through. Anyone who is not in the least bit concerned is basically a "denialer" (who comes up with these stupid terms anyhow?
I don't have to show emails from the "denialers" showing bad behavior to know that said behavior exists. As if being a scientist makes you somehow above human nature any more than being a Christian, or a Mormon, or a Buddhist does. People will do what they feel is right or justified to further a view or position. Even subvert processes, break laws, or lie cheat and steal.
Do I know for sure that this is what happened? No, not any more than you can say for sure it did not. Post away, have a ball. Both sides have their fair share of lies and deceit in this process. To pretend that it is any other way is turning a blind eye to human nature. What we appear to have here is probable cause. There should be a full investigation to determine if there is a smoking gun. If none is found then this will be dropped. The conspiracy theorist's of the world will never drop it and some day it may be found to be more that was originally thought or not... The only way to ensure that this is seen for what they claim this is, a non issue, is for there to be full disclosure of the context of the emails as soon as possible. Since this is only about science and nothing nefarious I am sure that would not be a big issue. If they are concerned about privacy they can redact any specifics that are not relevant to the general context.
The best way to sway public opinion right now is to be as open and honest as possible about what those emails were about. Hopefully this is what they are doing. Time will tell. Anything less will be seen as a betrayal of trust.
I am mostly just watching and reading, however the surety of some posting int his thread is ringing very hollow considering they do not have the full context of the emails in question. Unless they were actually first hand contributors, they really don't have any more of a leg to stand on than those who they are arguing against.