Originally Posted by franksargent
No climate scientist is hiding anything.
Suffering from a little denial yourself I see.
You would need to understand the letter of the law with respect to IP and FOI restrictions that apply across multiple organizations that are legally binding.
The claim has never been in any of thse FOI requests that the information was protected as IP, or that release was contrary to the procedures of the organization, body or country associated with it. Rather the opposite was true and the scientists in question were discussing how they could thwart such requests. The claim was made that they data would be deleted before being shared.
Clearly something you have had no experience with, or expertise in.
Clearly you haven't read any of these emails.
Science is all about independent validation and verification.
That is why these emails are troubling because they outline clear actions to stop these traits..
Apply for a research grand, collect your own data and do your own analyses, and then submit your results to the peer review process.
When I do and you ask for my data to review and I send out a series of emails noting how I'm going to ignore your request and attempt to discredit you rather than deal with you, will you have any condemnations for me or would you prefer to just be classified a denier?
Or collect all the vast amounts of freely available public domain data/code, do your own analyses, and then submit your results to the peer review process.
Apparently you are unaware that this is exactly what the FOI's were about and were the emails discuss how to stop this process.
Or pay for the data from the original sources (NWS etceteras), do your own code development and analyses, and then submit your results to the peer review process.
What if I just decide to have me and several other scientists threaten journals that accept contrary research by threatening not to publish to them and also threatening to wage a campaign to damage their credentials. Would that be science?
Science is not about hand holding for the sake of hand holding.
Clearly this is about folks taking human and political considerations and injecting them into science.
As for the rest, no one cares about your dogmatic ad-homs repeated to avoid thinking.