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post #121 of 207
Count me in... I am currently writing from a "lower left corner damaged glass" iMac i7. Replacement should arrive by a couple of weeks. The origin must be a factory/material defect or it wouldn't explain why it is always the left bottom side. The possible transport mishandling might be accentuated by the fact that there is - on purpose - no Fragile sign and the box shape, now even larger, makes this a difficult to handle box and thus prone to last inches drops on the ground. and the packging given the edge glass of the new imac, is imho a bit too minimalistic. Some extra softer foam in the corners "might" have prevented this. For the record it's a very small dent, I'd say around 1 inch away from the corner and it runs form edge to edge and forms a sort of triangle.
post #122 of 207
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Originally Posted by astaroth View Post

Count me in... I am currently writing from a "lower left corner damaged glass" iMac i7. Replacement should arrive by a couple of weeks. The origin must be a factory/material defect or it wouldn't explain why it is always the left bottom side. The possible transport mishandling might be accentuated by the fact that there is - on purpose - no Fragile sign and the box shape, now even larger, makes this a difficult to handle box and thus prone to last inches drops on the ground. and the packging given the edge glass of the new imac, is imho a bit too minimalistic. Some extra softer foam in the corners "might" have prevented this. For the record it's a very small dent, I'd say around 1 inch away from the corner and it runs form edge to edge and forms a sort of triangle.

God I'm sorry to hear that. Those sound like they've been assembled on the Land of the Misfit Toys. \
post #123 of 207
The Apple forum associated with their website has many horror stories of wildly distorted color bands, flickering and black screen occurring with the new i7 imac specifically with the 27" display. Has anyone here who has already taken delivery had any such problems, OTHER than with the cracked screen noted in the OP? I have held off ordering since that forum seemed to think the problem was native to a single batch with 946 in the serial #.
post #124 of 207
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Originally Posted by HeartSleeve View Post

The Apple forum associated with their website has many horror stories of wildly distorted color bands, flickering and black screen occurring with the new i7 imac specifically with the 27" display. Has anyone here who has already taken delivery had any such problems, OTHER than with the cracked screen noted in the OP? I have held off ordering since that forum seemed to think the problem was native to a single batch with 946 in the serial #.

For the price Apple charges for these babies you'd think they get it right.
post #125 of 207
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Originally Posted by get2thept View Post

27 inch i7. Booted up fine but fans were running at full speed - sounded like a vacuum cleaner running. No cracked screen though and except for the fan issue - seemed to work fine. Packaging seemed adequate as well. Screen is awesome. Return with Apple went ok at first - arranged for return shipping and the day after Fedex picked it up my account showed the replacement - but not shipping until Dec!

This is where it gets a little weird. I called Apple and they said my machine was actually already awaiting shipment (yay!) that it was given priority status and they would provide upgraded shipping - they even refunded my original shipping charges since I had paid for the 2-3 day shipping on the original. Very happy camper at this point. However...

It's been nearly a week and the status is still sitting at a ship date of Dec 2. I spoke with a rep again last night and he said it was NOT put on priority status and that it was in the queue like all the other orders. He did offer to "upgrade" my shipping to 2-3 days - odd since that should have been in the system already.

Bottom line - Apple doesn't appear to be doing anything special to get my replacement iMac to me and I'll just have to wait until Dec even though I originally placed the order on Oct 27.

Exact same situation here. I got my new 27" i7 iMac two weeks ago and after four days it developed the "screen flicker" problem. I quickly reported the issue to Apple who told me to send the defective computer back for replacement. I was also assured that I'd be placed at the front of the queue to receive my replacement iMac. Yet here it is seven days later, and there's still be no movement with my replacement order, and Apple still tells me it'll ship "by December 2nd," which is simply the date that follows the deadline for my defective computer to be received by Apple.

What's aggravating is that Apple's had my $2200 for more than two weeks yet I'm still without a computer. I'd have been much happier if I'd been permitted to keep my defective computer until its replacement arrived. Given the current short supply of the new iMacs, I feel that would've been more than appropriate for Apple to offer...yet when I asked Apple about that possibility, they gave me some nonsense that they couldn't process the replacement until they'd received word that the defective machine had been sent back.
post #126 of 207
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

.... Also, the number of DOA i7 iMacs seems higher than normal at this point in the product cycle.

Source? I haven't seen any numbers to support this claim. "seems higher than normal" does not tell me anything without the ratio of bad to good or what is normal? I'd need some facts before I'd make that statement as fact.

I'm not calling you out. Just trying to put this problem into perspective to see if it really is a problem for the whole community.
post #127 of 207
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Originally Posted by Zep View Post

because MS based systems dont have access to i5s either right?

you're paying for the apple ecosystem, not really the hardware since its essentially universal now.


Never said that Apple had exclusive access to the i5.

As far as the hardware being universal have a look at this (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac-...27-Inch/1236/1) and tell me how much of the "universal' iMac hardware you can put in a tower. Of course you can just leave the hardware alone then wipe out the Snow Leopard OS and install windows if you hate Apple so much. Then in two years, give or take, you will have an expensive crap MicroSuck machine that needs to have the o.s. reloaded just to restore it's optimum usability. The potential for longevity is much greater with the iMac and the Snow Leopard o.s.
post #128 of 207
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post



It did seem a little odd to end this article with the now ubiquitous Mac Pricing Guide...

I'm not surprised, though - it seems lately AI uses every story about Macs as an excuse to try to sell Macs. And oh by the way, AI makes money on every Mac sold through these ads (they call them Pricing Guides, but they're ads).

Even the AI reviews of new Macs are really just ads now.
post #129 of 207
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

i'm waiting for the youtube videos of chinese workers breaking new imacs and putting them in the box and laughing

No, I think it's matte screen supporters.
post #130 of 207
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

However, any and all professionals who have to spend hours at a time on a computer will develop headache's and severe eyestrain from the iMirror. [emphasis added]

This is a very strong statement. But it's also quite wrong since I'm a professional who spends more than 8 hours a day using my iMirror without any ill effect, due to the iMac's screen reflection. I'm sure there are more like me.

btw: When the screen is off, I often do use it as a mirror. Very convenient. However, when the screen is on, I hardly ever notice a reflection because the screen has beautiful contrast, color, and clarity.
post #131 of 207
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Originally Posted by HeartSleeve View Post

Has anyone here who has already taken delivery had any such problems, OTHER than with the cracked screen noted in the OP?

Yes. As I mentioned earlier, I am very frustrated with the FireWire bus. When daisy chaining devices, I am getting distortion/interference in my audio interface (Focusrite Saffire 10 i/o) every time my external FW800 hard drive reads or writes data. My previous Mac has been a PowerMac tower with multiple hard drive bays and PCI slots. In turn, I'm not used to running gear over FireWire, but this does not at all seem acceptable. Maybe I'm wrong, but this can not possibly be an inherent FireWire protocol limitation. It seems to be chipset issues and/or Snow Leopard's FW management.
post #132 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post


Never said that Apple had exclusive access to the i5.

As far as the hardware being universal have a look at this (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac-...27-Inch/1236/1) and tell me how much of the "universal' iMac hardware you can put in a tower. Of course you can just leave the hardware alone then wipe out the Snow Leopard OS and install windows if you hate Apple so much. Then in two years, give or take, you will have an expensive crap MicroSuck machine that needs to have the o.s. reloaded just to restore it's optimum usability. The potential for longevity is much greater with the iMac and the Snow Leopard o.s.

man you're retarded.

when did i say i hated apple? i didnt. you made it seem like MS has crap even tho the hardware is essentially the same as the stuff that went into the iMac. i dont hate apple, they make good products. i hate people who spew crap out their mouth (ie: you). i should ship you some toilet paper so you can clean up.

wow you posted a teardown. the basic hardware is the same as a PC. the CPU, the HD, the RAM (this maybe a custom size, i cant find it while glancing at the pictures). there is a custom motherboard and heatsink. the rest is crap i could get off newegg.com
post #133 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post

You are so right. As I have said before buying online scares me because of the way UPS & FedEx handle shipment of all types.

How you do think they get from the ship to the Apple store?

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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

So Apple is without ANY blame if the packaging is subpar? The fact that UPS and FedEx are known to play rough with packages should give them even more reason to use sturdy packaging for such a heavy and large item.

Because everyone knows Apple isn't responsible for any thing that goes wrong.
post #134 of 207
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

You can compare your machine to the ones tested by MacWorld for specific apps at the link below, but you need to call Apple and get a replacement. The number is in your Macs Address Book. The backlighting and audio distortion are not normal. You have spent a lot of money for a machine and its not up to par. You bought a 2st gen ore i7 iMac, they will be very helpful. Just explain the issues you have above.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1439...re17_imac.html

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep an eye on the display to see if it gets any better or worse over the course of the next few days. I'm honestly a lot more frustrated with the FireWire issues I'm having getting my external HDs and audio interface working together.
post #135 of 207
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Originally Posted by Zep View Post

plasma is different than LCD.

plasma cannot shift more than 15 degrees of vertical or the plasma inside can leak out or least damage the stuff inside (if i remember that part correctly)

Get your memory checked. You are way wrong on this one. Here is a link to one of many places showing your error.

http://www.dtvcity.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-leak.html
post #136 of 207
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

Did you not do the 'target disc' account transfer bit? I'm hoping that's still working...

I did network migration. Alas and doom...
after mounting the Ergotron arm (it's a pain to get the Apple VESA adapter on the iMac) and being very careful. The dang thing didn't boot. Now I never rebooted after user migration, and I read here that another user had a kernel panic. Verbose showed kernel panic in com.apple.driver.BOSLink (that's not right, but from memory).

I'm zeroing and reformatting and starting from scratch. Going to migrate my stuff manually, which is what I normally do.
post #137 of 207
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Originally Posted by Zep View Post

man you're retarded.

when did i say i hated apple? i didnt. you made it seem like MS has crap even tho the hardware is essentially the same as the stuff that went into the iMac. i dont hate apple, they make good products. i hate people who spew crap out their mouth (ie: you). i should ship you some toilet paper so you can clean up.

wow you posted a teardown. the basic hardware is the same as a PC. the CPU, the HD, the RAM (this maybe a custom size, i cant find it while glancing at the pictures). there is a custom motherboard and heatsink. the rest is crap i could get off newegg.com

Trying to prove your manhood by resorting to name calling? Grow up little one!
post #138 of 207
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Originally Posted by bugsnw View Post

.... If these few iMacs all break in the lower-left corner, there is probably some extra stress at that point that is affecting the glass...

If it's the glass that is cracked, I can't see how it would be stressed, since it float there using magnets. Unless the magnets were misplaced or not properly positions. I guess of course, but it is something to consider.
post #139 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post

Get your memory checked. You are way wrong on this one. Here is a link to one of many places showing your error.

http://www.dtvcity.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-leak.html

fair enough. its just what i remember hearing from a few people.
post #140 of 207
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Originally Posted by bassetbob View Post

Mx Desk Mount LCD arm - Amazon, $109.99

Mounted it to Steamcase #5 and its ready to take either my 22" monitor or the iMac. I think I'll go iMac first, then get another one for the monitor. I'll be at the upper limit (30lbs) for the arm with the iMac. I'll report back if it has issues.

Also: Have not experienced any fan issues. Just played "Too many dicks on the dance floor" and it was all smiles

It holds up the iMac, just barely. Nice arm.

Sadly I'm in post arm mount won't boot but I think it's b.c. of user migration hell right now.
post #141 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post

Trying to prove your manhood by resorting to name calling? Grow up little one!

changing the subject cause you got caught in being wrong? least i'll admit when im wrong.

for the next time you spew a bunch of crap out of your mouth.
post #142 of 207
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

How you do think they get from the ship to the Apple store?

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that they are shipped to the Apple store in a more secure fashion, like maybe several plastic-wrapped together on a pallet or something? That way they are less likely to bounce around as would one that is shipped as a lone item. Feel free to enlighten me if you have better information. I enjoy learning the learning process.
post #143 of 207
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I could care less if you're foolish enough to want a high gloss computer screen. GO for it.

We just want our option for matte back. It will happen- the 17" then the 15' MBP unexpectedly got it. You shall see- in due time.

When it does happen we'll be old, gray, and riddled with glaucoma. So it won't matter. I'm already that way so maybe that's why I don't mind the glossy screen.

post #144 of 207
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Originally Posted by Zep View Post

changing the subject cause you got caught in being wrong? least i'll admit when im wrong.

for the next time you spew a bunch of crap out of your mouth.

I don't mind being told I am wrong if it is done in a clear and more polite way. Being mean and nasty won't win any friends for you and may even run some off. Additionally, Mac memory is available at NewEgg.com and it appears that the price is pretty reasonable.

For the record, you are right regarding the processor, hard drive, optical drive and heat sink. However, I'm not clear with regards to the rest of it. I never intended to imply that none of the hardware in the iMac was usable in a p.c. case. Just the mobo, video card, and memory.
post #145 of 207
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Originally Posted by Zep View Post

fair enough. its just what i remember hearing from a few people.

I could/should have heeded my own advice and used a better tone when I sent you the link.

One more thing, how can you hate me? You don't even know me.

Wanna start over?
post #146 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post


Never said that Apple had exclusive access to the i5.

As far as the hardware being universal have a look at this (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac-...27-Inch/1236/1) and tell me how much of the "universal' iMac hardware you can put in a tower. Of course you can just leave the hardware alone then wipe out the Snow Leopard OS and install windows if you hate Apple so much. Then in two years, give or take, you will have an expensive crap MicroSuck machine that needs to have the o.s. reloaded just to restore it's optimum usability. The potential for longevity is much greater with the iMac and the Snow Leopard o.s.

How hardware is packed inside the unit doesn't change the fact that same processors, graphics, chipsets, memory chips... are used across whole industry today.

Worrying part is that Apples are sliding down the reliability charts, even their laptops - at present being behind Asus and Toshiba units. More worrying part is that other brands have low-cost cheap units - expected to be more defect-prone - watering down their reliability across the range, while Apple basically has high-cost end of market but still fails to top reliability charts, even without cheap crap in their range.

Only this year, Apple had problems with screens, graphics chips, super-drives, hard drives... and some of them, much as I am aware of, haven't really been sorted, even with all the firmware and other updates Apple has released.

I would expect that part of those problems is coming from Apple's ever-going attempts to differentiate their products from mainstream by choosing non standard form factors and questionable extras. As results, we have malfunctioning optical drives, overheating graphics/whole systems, conflicts between HDDs inbuilt shock sensors and Apple built ones...

Maybe it is only me, but I'd prefer Mac in decent tower box with standard, replaceable parts. Apple could still separate themselves with nice, smaller version of Mac Pro box. No one is expecting Apple to be cheap, so they should be able to find enough space within the price to build really good looking and good functioning box... \

Of other things... no, you don't have to clean reinstall Windows every two years. Not as a general rule. Being IT provider for a few big companies (for NZ standards, at least), I can say with good confidence that number of major software issues causing BSODs, instability or noticeable performance loss (without underlying hardware issues) is remarkably low. Of course, individual can crap software installation in a few minutes if completely out of mind, but on average users we come across go through the lifetime of a PC - 3 to 5 years - without reinstalling OS short of hardware faults.

Rest seems to be part of effective, if questionable marketing from Apple...
post #147 of 207
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

How hardware is packed inside the unit doesn't change the fact that same processors, graphics, chipsets, memory chips... are used across whole industry today.

Worrying part is that Apples are sliding down the reliability charts, even their laptops - at present being behind Asus and Toshiba units. More worrying part is that other brands have low-cost cheap units - expected to be more defect-prone - watering down their reliability across the range, while Apple basically has high-cost end of market but still fails to top reliability charts, even without cheap crap in their range.

Only this year, Apple had problems with screens, graphics chips, super-drives, hard drives... and some of them, much as I am aware of, haven't really been sorted, even with all the firmware and other updates Apple has released.

I would expect that part of those problems is coming from Apple's ever-going attempts to differentiate their products from mainstream by choosing non standard form factors and questionable extras. As results, we have malfunctioning optical drives, overheating graphics/whole systems, conflicts between HDDs inbuilt shock sensors and Apple built ones...

Maybe it is only me, but I'd prefer Mac in decent tower box with standard, replaceable parts. Apple could still separate themselves with nice, smaller version of Mac Pro box. No one is expecting Apple to be cheap, so they should be able to find enough space within the price to build really good looking and good functioning box... \

Of other things... no, you don't have to clean reinstall Windows every two years. Not as a general rule. Being IT provider for a few big companies (for NZ standards, at least), I can say with good confidence that number of major software issues causing BSODs, instability or noticeable performance loss (without underlying hardware issues) is remarkably low. Of course, individual can crap software installation in a few minutes if completely out of mind, but on average users we come across go through the lifetime of a PC - 3 to 5 years - without reinstalling OS short of hardware faults.

Rest seems to be part of effective, if questionable marketing from Apple...

That's exactly how I like to be corrected if I must be, with logic, thoughtfulness, and tasteful commentary. Although I may still disagree with you on a point or two, you have gained my respect.
post #148 of 207
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

One of our local Best Buy's has one of those cracked iMacs on display. I wonder what moronic manager decided that it's best to show a damaged iMac instead of a nice, clean one.

Heh, I'm amazed they didn't put a DOA iMac on display.
post #149 of 207
For the LAST TIME people!

They're not cracks, they're FLOW LINES!

Oh wait...
post #150 of 207
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post

FWIW I just don't get all the complaints about it having the glossy screen. Glossy looks much better in a perfect viewing environment where you control the lighting, which is exactly what you should have for your desktop, if you need it matte your in the minority, or have a poorly planed desktop space. Laptops on the other hand are completely hindered by the glossy screen and need a matte option, in fact the only time I can see having one glossy is if your were using it mostly as your desktop.

Would it really be that hard for Apple to offer matte (REAL matte, not just a film) as a BTO option?

I'd pay a $100 premium right here & now if it was available.

It'd be an all-around win. Consumers would get choice, Apple would have a nicely profitable option, and every iMac discussion wouldn't turn into a gloss-vs-matte debate.
post #151 of 207
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Would it really be that hard for Apple to offer matte (REAL matte, not just a film) as a BTO option?

I'd pay a $100 premium right here & now if it was available.

It'd be an all-around win. Consumers would get choice, Apple would have a nicely profitable option, and every iMac discussion wouldn't turn into a gloss-vs-matte debate.

What about an after market true matte finish screen? Do you think it would be possible with out screwing your warranty? I'm asking because I really don't know if it would be possible.
post #152 of 207
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Originally Posted by Cranky View Post

What about an after market true matte finish screen? Do you think it would be possible with out screwing your warranty? I'm asking because I really don't know if it would be possible.

Depends what it takes to get that sheet of glass off. If it involves surgical prying or disassembly, then it'd very likely screw your warranty.

Good non-reflective glass IS available, and IMO it'd be an easy BTO option of Apple wanted to implement it. Unless (until?) Apple does something, I can see a nice little business in converting new iMacs to matte. It'd be interesting to see how Apple would work with converters regarding warranty. You'd think it'd be no different than shops that "outfit" new vehicles.

Anyway, we really don't want to go back to the days of tape-on antiglare screens....
post #153 of 207
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

If they were matte this never would have happened.

You made my day this time, stud. I knew you'd have something to say, but I really did not expect this. I thought it would be "Apple low quality China made poor standards etc..." but you brought in the matte-glossy debate in such a succinct, offhand and backdoor way.

Thou art truly a master troll.
post #154 of 207
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

God I'm sorry to hear that. Those sound like they've been assembled on the Land of the Misfit Toys. \

OMFG again... you brought in that to the thread. Masterful.

I'm not being sarcastic, really... For some reason I find the Misfit Toys reference funny. "...in the land of the misfit toys... la la la, la la la... Hey, check out the new, new guy... Hi iMac 27..."

BTW DollyforSue is cute. I don't know what the problem is and if it has anything to do with red hair. I'm not caucasian, but my view is redhead, brunette, blonde, in that order, in terms of "beauty/ cute/ attractive". (Yes I know we're talking about a doll here, I'm just sayin')

The scariest part though is if you read through the Internetz it says DollyforSue is a misfit toy because she has "psychological problems". I sh*t you not. I think Barbie should be there due to "eating problems and being born without a brain".
post #155 of 207
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Originally Posted by utsava View Post

No, they say, wow look at those deep blacks and really nice contrast. I don't care what the matte-fans say, glossy screens look WAY nicer to me and everyone I talk to.... and 95% of the public does not care about your color accurate publishing work.

Actually, it's not about color accurate publishing work. It's about using the monitor in a professional environment that is a decent representation of how what you see will look like on another screen or when you print it out. Having a monitor that "pops" so much is only good for the wow factor. It has little to do with specialized publishing and everything to do with doing work on your Mac that goes off to someone else. Or if you want to print it and have it resemble that picture you so carefully tweaked. So bye bye photographers, amateurs and hobbyists as well as pros.

See, you're right that most of the public doesn't care about this, but the arts professionals, where Apple has a much different ratio, do care. It has to be accurate, or be able to be made accurate. Go to any photography site and see what they say about calibrating monitors. Apple will lose this market if they don't offer, along with "Way" nicer looking screens, screens that a professional can use. Six months ago I was figuring to add an iMac before the end of the year, but now it'll likely be a decent Dell monitor and...?
post #156 of 207
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Depends what it takes to get that sheet of glass off. If it involves surgical prying or disassembly, then it'd very likely screw your warranty.

Good non-reflective glass IS available, and IMO it'd be an easy BTO option of Apple wanted to implement it. Unless (until?) Apple does something, I can see a nice little business in converting new iMacs to matte. It'd be interesting to see how Apple would work with converters regarding warranty. You'd think it'd be no different than shops that "outfit" new vehicles.

Anyway, we really don't want to go back to the days of tape-on antiglare screens....

Tape on is a bad idea i think. There is a great article on ifixit.com about a tear down of a 27" iMac. It does show the screen removal to a degree.
post #157 of 207
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

One of our local Best Buy's has one of those cracked iMacs on display. I wonder what moronic manager decided that it's best to show a damaged iMac instead of a nice, clean one.

Brother, I've been exposed to IT retail for quite a few years now and common sense is seriously not a requirement of being a retail manager. Sales by any and all means necessary is the order of the day. Sadly, they don't realise common sense actually *helps* sales, and bulls**t talk can hurt sales. ...But, there really is a sucker born every minute, or at least every day. Apple retail stores IMO are the only ones really standing above the crowd from normal Retail. There may be a few others, but nothing that stands out that I've experienced in the US, UK or Australia for the few years or months I've been there. Occasionally you do get an outstanding individual though that is helpful and genuine. Occasionally. Ah well, cest la vie. Maybe I'm too cynical because I've seen things "from the inside".
post #158 of 207
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Originally Posted by HeartSleeve View Post

The Apple forum associated with their website has many horror stories of wildly distorted color bands, flickering and black screen occurring with the new i7 imac specifically with the 27" display. Has anyone here who has already taken delivery had any such problems, OTHER than with the cracked screen noted in the OP? I have held off ordering since that forum seemed to think the problem was native to a single batch with 946 in the serial #.

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Originally Posted by astaroth View Post

Count me in... I am currently writing from a "lower left corner damaged glass" iMac i7. Replacement should arrive by a couple of weeks. The origin must be a factory/material defect or it wouldn't explain why it is always the left bottom side. The possible transport mishandling might be accentuated by the fact that there is - on purpose - no Fragile sign and the box shape, now even larger, makes this a difficult to handle box and thus prone to last inches drops on the ground. and the packging given the edge glass of the new imac, is imho a bit too minimalistic. Some extra softer foam in the corners "might" have prevented this. For the record it's a very small dent, I'd say around 1 inch away from the corner and it runs form edge to edge and forms a sort of triangle.

On a more serious note, I sympathise with those who have had 27" iMac troubles. AFAIK in 3 of the Apple reseller stores I am somewhat involved in all three 27" iMacs externally look fine. These are the Core 2 Duo ones though. Maybe Apple has been rushing on the Core i5 and i7 models and something slipped along the way.
post #159 of 207
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Originally Posted by jlandd View Post

Actually, it's not about color accurate publishing work. It's about using the monitor in a professional environment that is a decent representation of how what you see will look like on another screen or when you print it out. Having a monitor that "pops" so much is only good for the wow factor. It has little to do with specialized publishing and everything to do with doing work on your Mac that goes off to someone else. Or if you want to print it and have it resemble that picture you so carefully tweaked. So bye bye photographers, amateurs and hobbyists as well as pros.

See, you're right that most of the public doesn't care about this, but the arts professionals, where Apple has a much different ratio, do care. It has to be accurate, or be able to be made accurate. Go to any photography site and see what they say about calibrating monitors. Apple will lose this market if they don't offer, along with "Way" nicer looking screens, screens that a professional can use. Six months ago I was figuring to add an iMac before the end of the year, but now it'll likely be a decent Dell monitor and...?

Sadly the arts professionals you talk about is the market Apple is less and less focused on.

Amateur photographers and video enthusiasts will love the pop and high-res. Being amateurs and enthusiasts, they may be swayed by how good it looks on their own screen, and may not be as professionally concerned about printing it out correctly, etc. etc. Being amateur or hobbyists maybe they mostly post their stuff online, or just burn a DVD to share with others.

Photo pros could probably get the Core i5 or i7 though since it is a great value option compared to the Mac Pro, then probably attach a "proofing" monitor to it for final tweaks.

Video editing pros, for some jobs could also use the iMac, if they work in a somewhat darkened room, have a tighter budget, and do not require color treatments/ calibration for their editing work.

I'm not saying this is the right way, or definitely the current way things are going, but it could be a new trend forming.
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Sadly the arts professionals you talk about is the market Apple is less and less focused on.

Amateur photographers and video enthusiasts will love the pop and high-res. Being amateurs and enthusiasts, they may be swayed by how good it looks on their own screen, and may not be as professionally concerned about printing it out correctly, etc. etc. Being amateur or hobbyists maybe they mostly post their stuff online, or just burn a DVD to share with others.

Photo pros could probably get the Core i5 or i7 though since it is a great value option compared to the Mac Pro, then probably attach a "proofing" monitor to it for final tweaks.

Video editing pros, for some jobs could also use the iMac, if they work in a somewhat darkened room, have a tighter budget, and do not require color treatments/ calibration for their editing work.

I'm not saying this is the right way, or definitely the current way things are going, but it could be a new trend forming.



One dealkiller is that many spend all lot of time with more than one additional person checking out what they do on the monitor and adding their thoughts about what they see. It's half of my every day. Not huddled closely around the screen, just comfortably at a desk in front of a monitor. I don't even do presentations but what I experienced in ten minutes at the 5th Ave AppleStore tells me I can't do it with the new screens, the viewing sweet spot being so small.
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