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The new episodes have started up and if you haven't seen any of them yet, try it out. I find it better than DS9, and MUCH better than Voyager ever was or could be. It's about on par with TNG but it different ways. It's not soap-opera-like (yet) and have very distinctive episodes. I think later on they may introduce some continuity. And the characters act like normal people of our time instead of the emotionless stiffs of TNG and Voyager.

My verdict: So far so good.
Rating: A-
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From the little I've seen, it's lightyears better than Voyager! They'd have to try to make it that bad!

But there's something about it that just feels like a bad spinoff of something like Andromeda... I can't quite put my finger on it.

I watched the first few episodes, but nothing drew me in long enough to watch it regularly.

Rating: B-

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I find it better than DS9
:eek:
You are kidding right? They did every thing right on DS9 and everything wrong on Enterprise (well not quite everything, they managed to learn from some mistakes with Voyager, but they still made new ones).
Mind you Ive only seen about 3 episodes, but of those three I found them embarassingly bad. Note, they were from the first couple of weeks in which they were playing, have they improved?
All I remember was some pilot being allowed to threaten Vulcan ambassadors( ), a "youve met with some spores, and thus you need to rub each other down with oil under UV lights" scene ( <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> ), and a few bits from the other episodes,
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[quote]Originally posted by The Toolboi:
[QB]"youve met with some spores, and thus you need to rub each other down with oil under UV lights" scene [QB]<hr></blockquote>

A friend of mine writes for "Voyager" and says that the single biggest request she has gotten from her friends is more rubbing of the oil scenes.
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[quote]Originally posted by The Toolboi:
<strong>I find it better than DS9
:eek:
You are kidding right? They did every thing right on DS9 and everything wrong on Enterprise (well not quite everything, they managed to learn from some mistakes with Voyager, but they still made new ones).
Mind you Ive only seen about 3 episodes, but of those three I found them embarassingly bad. Note, they were from the first couple of weeks in which they were playing, have they improved?
All I remember was some pilot being allowed to threaten Vulcan ambassadors( ), a "youve met with some spores, and thus you need to rub each other down with oil under UV lights" scene ( <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> ), and a few bits from the other episodes,</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that Enterprise has much more possibiliy than the other Star Trek shows. You know what they are leading up to. Star Fleet and earth grows powerful and there are many things that occur along the way. We will finally get to see some of these great wars that they speak of. We will get to see why there is a prime directive. etc... DS9 was a frontier show that wasn't. The laws were basically already laid out. There were few ways to go with it. Enterprise is a frontier show in that they have no clue what they are getting into for the most part (ala last weeks episode) and so they will have to make up the rules as they go along. This could be very fun! My rating: A
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post #6 of 49
I think Enterprise kind of sucks. It's too touchy feely psycho-bable for me.
post #7 of 49
I am a hardcore trekker and I lost interest in ENTERPRISE real quick... its boring...

aliens are dumb and there is no real "cool" tech anymore... except for the "gadgets from the future" that they sealed up in that future cadets bunk room...

before they ended voyager I was starting to actually get into that "temporal mechanics" stuff and now we are back to phase pistols and slow warp... no regenerative shielding or trans-phasic torpedoes... stuff anymore...

what is there???... plot? drama? please I think i'll go read a book or pop a star trek movie in my vcr rather than watch this drivel...

And is it me... or does everyone fight like a girl in the future...??? you would think starfleet would train there people in combat...? guess not...

the few fighting scenes I have seen in this show are pathetic and "Kirkish"...

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[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>I am a hardcore trekker and I lost interest in ENTERPRISE real quick... its boring...

aliens are dumb and there is no real "cool" tech anymore... except for the "gadgets from the future" that they sealed up in that future cadets bunk room...

before they ended voyager I was starting to actually get into that "temporal mechanics" stuff and now we are back to phase pistols and slow warp... no regenerative shielding or trans-phasic torpedoes... stuff anymore...

what is there???... plot? drama? please I think i'll go read a book or pop a star trek movie in my vcr rather than watch this drivel...

And is it me... or does everyone fight like a girl in the future...??? you would think starfleet would train there people in combat...? guess not...

the few fighting scenes I have seen in this show are pathetic and "Kirkish"...
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Let me restate:

Enterprise is a frontier show in that they (StarFleet) have no clue what they are getting into for the most part (ala last weeks episode) and so they will have to make up the rules as they go along.

Captain Archer has finally discovered that they can just go out and say "Hi, be my friend." and expect them to do so. They are starting to better arm themselves and prepare for a more wary view of ships that approach from now on. They are learning the rules, and that with such exploration there is a lot of danger. By the time we got to Voyager the Federation was the big fish in the pond. Right now, StarFleet is smaller than a guppy. Give it time, in a few years it could be really really good. I think it is good right now so long as they keep building up like they are.
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post #9 of 49
I was and still am a big Voyager fan and think that Enterprise SUCKS!!! Now I never watched the original series, and I've seen a couple of DS9 and for the most part they were good. Getting back to Enterprise, there is NO plot! Its the same thing each time - "Hello. Be friends with me.", then they get into a crappy battle, and in the end they are friends. At least Voyager did have some cool technology (transwarp drive, metaphasic shielding, etc) and wicked special effects. On Enterprise, the ship hasn't even gotton trashed (bulkheads everywhere, casualties, etc.). Thats the best part of Star Trek, seeing battles with weapons and phasar fights, etc. This new series is to down to earth to be any fun to watch. Even the series premere was a drag. Stupid plot, crappy aliens, and boring technology....

Rating:
D (I am being generous here. The only reason is the ok cast).
post #10 of 49
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>Give it time, in a few years it could be really really good.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LOL... THAT's reassuring.
post #11 of 49
So far, it's the most disappointing of any ST series.
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[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
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LOL... THAT's reassuring.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You notice the "really really" in that post. I think it is good, but it will get way better as they work all the kinks out of the plotline. If not, then hey it is a tv show. My life does not revolve around it...
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post #13 of 49
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Really? I thought Voyager was the absolute worst show EVER. Janeway just begged to be smacked around. The crew should have died many times over. Then DS9 sucked but towards the end it was getting good until it was cancelled. TNG was OK for the most part. Q rocked. The original had some good plots but the effects were B class. But I enjoyed it. Enterprise is much like the original and TNG.
post #14 of 49
Well i'm glad i'm not the only one here who though Voyager was cool. It wasn't so great to start, but towards the end it got cool.
I never really got hooked on DS 9...not sure why because they had some really cool story lines (once again towards teh end of the series). TNG was great, i loved it.

I've only caught a few episodes of Enterprise, and thus far it seems ok, nothing special though. It is definately a cool concept with lots of potential, i really hope they exploit this potential.

For now i'm still going to rank it behind Voyager and TNG, in my book its still on par with DS9, but that is only because i haven't wateched a lot of DS9, i'm sure if i had it would beat Enterprise.
post #15 of 49
[quote]Originally posted by Cosmo:
<strong>Well i'm glad i'm not the only one here who though Voyager was cool. It wasn't so great to start, but towards the end it got cool.
I never really got hooked on DS 9...not sure why because they had some really cool story lines (once again towards teh end of the series). TNG was great, i loved it.

I've only caught a few episodes of Enterprise, and thus far it seems ok, nothing special though. It is definately a cool concept with lots of potential, i really hope they exploit this potential.

For now i'm still going to rank it behind Voyager and TNG, in my book its still on par with DS9, but that is only because i haven't wateched a lot of DS9, i'm sure if i had it would beat Enterprise.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I liked all the others a lot. Liked Voyager a little better than DS9 for the most part.
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post #16 of 49
In my opinion, this is the best Star Trek ever. I am not a "trekkie" or "trekker" but just a person that watches Star Trek, so I probably have different views than a "die hard." I think it will be cool to eventually see other starfleet ships out there and for them to meet some more of the aliens from other Treks. Also, now that they actually have phasers on the ship, there should be more battles which is good. Their ship needs to take more damage, explosions and hull breaches are good. I think this series has tons of potential but B&B will probably screw up.
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but B&B will probably screw up.

That's what I'm afraid of.
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I enjoyed Voyager. It was a little more 'fresh' than the other series'. It did suck untill 7of9 came on board. And no not because of her tits, but she brought in some good contension, and debate amongst the crew. And her struggles to become more human where interesting to see develop. I like the whole lost far away from home setting, and how the crew attempted to deal with the phycological aspects of this. The Beta(?) quadrent they where in was really drab though I thought. Except for the Borg, but the borg are always cool. Voyager did have some sprinklings of greatness everyonce in a while. Like the episodes Year of Hell 1 & 2 I though where a triumph for the series. To see Voyager being destroyed and run to the ground day after day, until Janeway must make the ultimate sacrifice to reverse events of time was more that a little bit moving.

So far I think that Enterprise has been very good, and a refreshing change from the other StarTreks. They ushualy dont solve problems by spitting out incomprehensible techno babble crap since they dont have all that much incomprehensible techno babble crap to begin with. They have to solve things using the "real" ways: resourcefullness, cunning, intelligence, and bravery. So yes Enterprise has so far given me a pretty good sci-fi experience. And I try to catch it every week. /me looks at watch. Hey there is an episode in 2 hours here.

But still no StarTrek will ever replace the greatness that was Babylon 5.

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post #19 of 49
I started to get worried <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> about the future of star trek ever since Gene Roddenberry came out with the series called "Earth"... There isnt enough "bad words" to describe how much I hate that series...

its been down hill for startrek ever since...

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[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>I started to get worried <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> about the future of star trek ever since Gene Roddenberry came out with the series called "Earth"... There isnt enough "bad words" to describe how much I hate that series...

its been down hill for startrek ever since...
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Try watching Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. It's not a bad show--once you get past Kevin Sorbo, that is. (Actually, Sorbo isn't anywhere near as annoying like he was in Hercules, and even does a pretty good impression of a ruthless ba$tard in a few episodes.)
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post #21 of 49
Don't know why, but I just can't get into Enterprise. Just doesn't feel like the characters are clicking together, and the storylines seem a little...weak.

I really liked DS9, especially when the Dominion war broke out. Nothing like blowing stuff up to boost ratings!

TNG turned me away at first, since a lot of the early episodes were recycled from the original series, but got a lot better towards the end. I think this was the only series to get the finale episode right!

Voyager sucked rocks.
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post #22 of 49
DS9 was a frontier show that wasn't. The laws were basically already laid out.

What I loved about DS9 was the B5 syndrome. They had long stretches where the story would be a bunch of little events leading up to one giant story which was fluent (vs the other startreks which were purely episodal). It also had the best characters of any Startrek (cmon, you got Sisco, Odo, Garek, Gul Ducat, and Quark, 5 of the best characters ever to grace startrek) and enough "mystical" stuff to keep it form being too scientific. The bits about prophesy and the founders ruled (though it got pretty stupid in the end, think that that as shortly after the main writer left and went to do Andromeda). That was always my problem with the others (especially Voyager), though NG had that amazing bit wit hthe time traveler.

IMO DS9 and NG tie as the best ever.

I could NOT stand Voyager at all. Yes the later ones (after 7o9)were better, but it still didnt hold my intrest.
I agree that Enterprise has AMAZING potential, but with its cast of characters (best character is the medic, and hes just a rip off of Nelix, one of the only 2 good characters in Voyager) and its pathetic writing (Uhhh... you guys have spores on you... ya... now strip down under those lights over there...) I dont think that it will go anywhere (unless they kill off a few and replace them... hmmm... more vulcans?).

I started to get worried about the future of star trek ever since Gene Roddenberry came out with the series called "Earth"...

Actually "Gene" didnt come out with it, it was an idea he had. Also, you cant deny that the first season or two (until the main guy died) were REALLY good (if you got past the first 3 episodes). However it quickly turned into a show thats as bas as 3rd wave, and doesnt even have the Geigeresque bizzareness and B humor of Lexx.

Try watching Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.
You know, I couldnt get past how everything in that was reminicent of an early 80s kids scifi movie. However after reading a bit about the plot I realized something...
This same idea (crediting Rodenbury as well) was made into a REALLY good comic called something to the effect of Xander. It was about a guy whos partially cybernetic and holds the secret to a forgotten universe. However form what Ive seen (about 2 episodes and some plot info) the comic was WAY better.
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post #23 of 49
I tried watching Andromeda and failed. The boy-engineer reminded me of the boy-genius on (hurl) the "Seaquest".

Now I know that the Andromeda's boy-engineer is a descendent of the 'Gettin' a Delll, dude'-boy.

Andromeda's over for me.

Enterprise could be great.

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post #24 of 49
Anyone who just watched the Enterprise episode tonight and still dosnt think its a good sci-fi, is...well you know.
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[quote]Originally posted by Falcon:
<strong>Anyone who just watched the Enterprise episode tonight and still dosnt think its a good sci-fi, is...well you know. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I loved it!
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post #26 of 49
Tonight's Enterprise was really good but it reminded me of Janeway's weekly moral dilemas, and prime directive shit. Though it was better because Archer actually had to make a decision, all Janeway did was look at the Prime Directive for guidance. I'm really starting to like Phlox. He is a Nelix done right. Also kind of reminds me of Garak (sp?). I remember the second episode where Reed was all trigger happy and wanted to blow a hole in the side of a ship. They need to bring back that trigger-happiness and I'll be satisfied with the series.

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post #27 of 49
He is a Nelix done right. Also kind of reminds me of Garak (sp?).
Oh my GOD! You are right! He's Nelix meets Garak, I knew there was something else familiar about him!
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post #28 of 49
This weeks was good. They could have left out the over foreshadowing to "some directive". But it was good over all. Interesting ideas in it.
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I wonder, since they said the species would go extinct in 2 centuries or so, I wonder what happed to the Manx. Is there any mention of them in the other series?
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Three words: "Temporal Cold War"
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post #31 of 49
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[quote]It did suck untill 7of 9 came on board. And no not because of her tits, <hr></blockquote>


Well, it was the TITS for me. I love that word...TITS. We need more TITS around here. Whose a nice pair of TITS here?


Sorry...ahem. Anywho, as a Star trek fan since I was a kid (not really a trekker though....just a big fan), I think Enterprise is great. It is better than DS9 and Voyager. It has as much potential as TNG.

I think the ship looks a bit too modern on the exterior.....and effects like warp are too smooth visually.....yes, too smooth for the supposed time period.

Sorry, but it doesn't "suck" at all. I don't understand that. The scripts have been very original. Although, in the episode two weeks ago I got that "Oh, God". another "hey how are ya" alien ship moment. And they didn't explain the race that attacked at all. That epsiode wasn't the best.

This past week's was on par with any good TNG episode. The foreshadowing of the Prime Directive was a little to obvious if you ask me....perhaps if they just said "until there is some rule"...that would have done the trick.

And BTW, Kirk is the best fighter, EVER......
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post #32 of 49
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>Falcon Writes:




Well, it was the TITS for me. I love that word...TITS. We need more TITS around here. Whose a nice pair of TITS here?


Sorry...ahem. Anywho, as a Star trek fan since I was a kid (not really a trekker though....just a big fan), I think Enterprise is great. It is better than DS9 and Voyager. It has as much potential as TNG.

I think the ship looks a bit too modern on the exterior.....and effects like warp are too smooth visually.....yes, too smooth for the supposed time period.

Sorry, but it doesn't "suck" at all. I don't understand that. The scripts have been very original. Although, in the episode two weeks ago I got that "Oh, God". another "hey how are ya" alien ship moment. And they didn't explain the race that attacked at all. That epsiode wasn't the best.

This past week's was on par with any good TNG episode. The foreshadowing of the Prime Directive was a little to obvious if you ask me....perhaps if they just said "until there is some rule"...that would have done the trick.

And BTW, Kirk is the best fighter, EVER......</strong><hr></blockquote>

Funny a Republican republican would be a fan of a show that obviously bases its ideals with communism.
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post #34 of 49
Another decon scene coming next week. :eek:
post #35 of 49
Yepo, but now its a threesom.

And uh Nostro wth? I dont see any communism in StarTrek. Its simply a sci-fi utopia of sorts.

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post #36 of 49
I think the asian chick is in there. Too bad her character is such a drag.
post #37 of 49
Ah she is just the sheltered perfect girl with a dark sexual side just waiting to burst out. Just you wait...
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post #38 of 49
Let's hope she has a thing for Vulcans.

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post #39 of 49
I think the dog is dumb. Who brings a dog into space?
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Data had a cat. And Picard has fish in his office. An i remember an episode on TNG where there was a kids playroom with a litter of puppies.
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