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Intel's Six-Core 'Gulftown' processor revealed, possibly headed to Mac Pro

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Performance numbers of Intel's new six-core Xeon were prematurely revealed by Polish website PCLab, showing strong increases in performance for the chip rumored to be in the next iteration of the Mac Pro.

Hardmac reported that test and performance results of Intel's new 6-core Xeon chips code-named "Gulftown" were briefly featured on PCLab before being taken down at the request of Intel. According to the test results, the new chips are nearly 50% faster than the previous quad-core Xenon during parallel tasks, and use up to 50% less power.

This chip will, according to sources, be featured in future Mac Pro models that could arrive as early as the first quarter of 2010. The "Gulftown" chip will be sold under the Core i9 name and will be Intel's first six-core, dual-socket processor. The 32 nanometer chips feature 12MB of L3 cache. If paired with another chip, as Apple usually does in its high-end workstations, the processors will offer 12 physical and 24 logical cores.

In a previous story, Hardmac reported that the new Mac Pro will have a modified motherboard with a 10Gbit/second Ethernet port and will support 8GB and 16GB RAM modules, allowing for a maximum of 128GB of RAM. The report also stated that it is likely that Apple would have short-term exclusive use of the i9 processor. Apple has enjoyed short-term exclusivity during the release of the previous two Mac Pro lines.
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MAN, i cannot keep up with the Joneses anymore, so why do we need SO MUCH MORE POWER FOR AGAIN??

I am still saving up for last years or is it this years model?? (damn I lost track already)
oh, I forgot i'm going to need it for that rocket ship I'm building in the back... yeah right.

eeesssshh!!!!
post #3 of 91
Well they should be 50% faster as they have 50% more CPU cores. I'll be interested to see how they've managed the power usage.

Gulftown gives Apple and other vendors the ability to separate the consumer lineup (single socket Quad core) with Professional lines (dual socket Hex core)

I think it's a given that Apple is all over Gulftown with the Mac Pro.
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I agree that the 32nm Gulftown seems most likely but can we rule out the 45nm Becton with 8 cores and support for up for 4 processors instead of just 2, like in the Gulftown?
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According to the test results, the new chips are nearly 50% faster than the previous quad-core Xenon during parallel tasks, and use up to 50% less power.

For some reason I love when tech sites write Xenon instead of Xeon.
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For some reason I love when tech sites write Xenon instead of Xeon.

You and me both, makes me think of the line from Princess Bride "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."



Back on topic, I can just see it come Monday at work, my manager will be bouncing around like a kid with a free shopping spree at Toys R Us when he reads the rumor.
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I love my Mac Pro. It's a machine that delivers everything I need. My machine is a 2007 8 core. But still delivers a punch for its money. I have hacked the hardware and made it even faster than it was at factory.

As for the new Mac Pro's coming out? I say awesome. I will probably be buying one. I figure that My old mac pro can be used for a print server. Ha ha. But seriously I replied to a thread about a year ago. A gentleman (1 geostationary) wanted to see if any one knew about the new Mac Pro's that were coming out in 2009. I had posted that the new Mac Pro's would be able to support 128 GB RAM and have 12 Physical Cores. He told me I was wrong and he didn't see it. This guy also acted as if he was the authority on this matter. We did see a new Mac Pro series come out it was not a 12 core and it did not support 128 GB RAM. I did how ever know that the new Cores were in Development. I did know that the New RAM was coming out. I do not see myself bragging but I did see these machine were coming out. They were delayed this year due to the Intel development for a chipset. The 12 core Mac Pro needs 2 things to run those Processors. 1) Power Supply. 2) A new chipset. Intel's manufacturing of the Processor and Chipset are crucial for Apple to make the New 12 core Mac Pro of course. Apple make the best.

Due to their OS X being hacked and dist to the world via deve, Apple has focused not only on their OS but their hardware. Make a bigger better stick and more than the other guy and people who appreciate the bigger better stick will buy it. Apple is very good at producing that. Just wait until you see the Next Unix based OS that Apple is coming up with. It will blow you away. By first Quarter 2012.

Cheers. If you think I'm crazy you may be right.
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If a two-core processor is a 'Dual Core' and a four-core processor a 'Quad Core' is not the proper name for a six-core processor a 'Sex Core' ... ? As in 'sextuplet' - a group of six things ...? ... that's some awesome marketing for a six-core Mac Pro !!
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If a two-core processor is a 'Dual Core' and a four-core processor a 'Quad Core' is not the proper name for a six-core processor a 'Sex Core' ... ? As in 'sextuplet' - a group of six things ...? ... that's some awesome marketing for a six-core Mac Pro !!

actually, sexicore. Which is even better.

Hex is Greek though.
post #9 of 91
Uhhhhh...any rumors on the MBPs? You know, the machines most Mac users now use?
post #10 of 91
I wonder if Apple will refresh the case.
The current one is something like 4 years old at this point, so it's long overdue.

I'm looking for a quad-core MacBook Pro.
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I agree that the 32nm Gulftown seems most likely but can we rule out the 45nm Becton with 8 cores and support for up for 4 processors instead of just 2, like in the Gulftown?

Yes, I think we can rule out Becton for the new Mac Pros.
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post #12 of 91
Right. Next there is gonna be 20 core core 23s
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I've said it before and will say it again. Only adding a few different elements to the mix.
With Apples pricing, they sort of painted themseleves into a corner. Example mac air thus no netbook due to high price.

Now Avid makes about 98% off all tv/ feature films we see as they make editing equipment. Their sister company, Digidesign, makes high end audio systems.
Avid can run around $100,000k, pro tools anywhere from $5000 to $50k depending in your needs. A few years ago though, they saw the trend that computers were getting faster and people were not buying pro tools tdm which are basically cards that take the load off the CPU as even high end top 10 artists wrrevrecording at home and mixing only in the studio, so Avid BOUGHT OUT M-AUDIO as this is a pro-Sumer company. All the software runs native unless you have say a fx pci card or express slot card with FX (same for video and people were livid apple took it off the 15", in fact most were hoping to see a 13 MacBook pro with express so that could slide in gig back, record shows, ideas.

Now. With this new chip. This is apples chance to raise the prive a little and realease the 4/8 cores as headlesss mid range. Not only will they get millions of prosumer audio users that make up a bulk of the market. They would get gamers that make more sales than video and music combined.

If you have a good, great gaming machine by Apple, you also have a device that will run their Pro Apps and oddly, Apple assumes they will lose money as the Pros, 2~3%, would buy the cheaper alternative, and their right, we would but so woudnt the gamers (who make up more sales then video sales and music sales combined), as well as the millions of ProSumers who don't really have the cash for a server made desktop but do have the talent, not to mention all the studios that had mac pros would also buy these non existent devices for their smaller rooms. In a nutshell, Apple would MAKE money not lose money due to lack of sales but they can't seem to figure that out yet.*

Avid/Digidesing did!!!! They saw people were no longer buying their $$10,000 TDM (processing chips in a card, thus reducing CPU latency which you cannot have in music), and saw computers were getting faster and faster and more core on a single dye were happening, so they purchased M-Audio which relies on the cpu only. In music it's caled native recording vs TDM. In fact, for the mac pro, for those left with the express slot, now only the 17" has it forces yet higher prices on the pro, with an express card, you can purchase something similar that puts all the processing on the card that goes into the express slot. Google. "UAD laptop express" card and you'll see what I mean. Apple could make more money simply by adding an express slot on the iMac. Add in esata and the sales go even higher. *

Anyway, Apple can do it but won't as I said earlier great grahics normally mean it can run pro apps and they don't really want that and rather have you buy the mac pro when in fact they would make so much more anyway.*

Check it out. Let's pretend apple released a $1000 i7 core with a great graphics card, 1000 FSB, normal memory, headless and in the future you could swap the CPU out. *
You would have thousands of gamers buy them.*
You would have millions of musicians buy them and buy their own ram after market, similar to gamers.*
You would have everyone that is tired of windows but has nice HDMI DVI diplays buy them.*
You would have the more semi pro photographer buy them. *
You would have most all semi pro video users buy these.*
And ironically, all the pros apple were afraid they would lose sale to, would buy these instead of the pc rendering farms as well as place them in their smaller studios, so it not a matter of how come, it more like their are misguided somehow. I mean they really only care about the iPhone now, example, One to One and Pro C are used to be one program. Now it's seperated and most of the training used to be pro apps, and is now iLife and $99 each. So why not go ahead and build them. *There is a huge market out there. The only problem I would see is people would want their own video card at new egg or Frys pricing and apple would have to start supporting numerous cards but all the companies are gone and there's only nvidia and ati, so that wouldn't be that big of a deal and it would for sure, put a dent in the hacntosh.

There are millions of users waiting. Just take a page from what digidesign did.*
They would have 20% of the marketshare within a year and to top it off, it would increase the sales of iMacs as business and enterprise started off with these mid range machines. 30% in less than 5 years. Is it really so hard to understand Apple?


Peace all.*
post #14 of 91
This is the perfect opportunity to grab the missing segment and close the gap.

This us a HUGE market. Much larger than consumers as they could start to develop pci cards and express cards fir logic and final cut pro. Imagine throwing in a card the takes all realtime fxto instant. Then they will eat more into the pro market against avid and pro tools selling not just the mid range but new hardware that the pros would also purchase.

It would be perfect timing.
There are dozens and dozens of pci cards but here is just one small ($495.00) card that you can buy for th laptop. Thus the lividnesd when it was dropped from the 15" asmost video prefer the 17 for the aspct ratio. Not so with audio recording.

http://www.uaudio.com/products/uad/uad2solo/index.html

and that's just ine. There are many more plus esata cards

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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

I've said it before and will say it again. Only adding a few different elements to the mix.
With Apples pricing, they sort of painted themseleves into a corner. Example mac air thus no netbook due to high price.

Now Avid makes about 98% off all tv/ feature films we see as they make editing equipment. Their sister company, Digidesign, makes high end audio systems.
Avid can run around $100,000k, pro tools anywhere from $5000 to $50k depending in your needs. A few years ago though, they saw the trend that computers were getting faster and people were not buying pro tools tdm which are basically cards that take the load off the CPU as even high end top 10 artists wrrevrecording at home and mixing only in the studio, so Avid BOUGHT OUT M-AUDIO as this is a pro-Sumer company. All the software runs native unless you have say a fx pci card or express slot card with FX (same for video and people were livid apple took it off the 15", in fact most were hoping to see a 13 MacBook pro with express so that could slide in gig back, record shows, ideas.

Now. With this new chip. This is apples chance to raise the prive a little and realease the 4/8 cores as headlesss mid range. Not only will they get millions of prosumer audio users that make up a bulk of the market. They would get gamers that make more sales than video and music combined.

If you have a good, great gaming machine by Apple, you also have a device that will run their Pro Apps and oddly, Apple assumes they will lose money as the Pros, 2~3%, would buy the cheaper alternative, and their right, we would but so woudnt the gamers (who make up more sales then video sales and music sales combined), as well as the millions of ProSumers who don't really have the cash for a server made desktop but do have the talent, not to mention all the studios that had mac pros would also buy these non existent devices for their smaller rooms. In a nutshell, Apple would MAKE money not lose money due to lack of sales but they can't seem to figure that out yet.*

Avid/Digidesing did!!!! They saw people were no longer buying their $$10,000 TDM (processing chips in a card, thus reducing CPU latency which you cannot have in music), and saw computers were getting faster and faster and more core on a single dye were happening, so they purchased M-Audio which relies on the cpu only. In music it's caled native recording vs TDM. In fact, for the mac pro, for those left with the express slot, now only the 17" has it forces yet higher prices on the pro, with an express card, you can purchase something similar that puts all the processing on the card that goes into the express slot. Google. "UAD laptop express" card and you'll see what I mean. Apple could make more money simply by adding an express slot on the iMac. Add in esata and the sales go even higher. *

Anyway, Apple can do it but won't as I said earlier great grahics normally mean it can run pro apps and they don't really want that and rather have you buy the mac pro when in fact they would make so much more anyway.*

Check it out. Let's pretend apple released a $1000 i7 core with a great graphics card, 1000 FSB, normal memory, headless and in the future you could swap the CPU out. *
You would have thousands of gamers buy them.*
You would have millions of musicians buy them and buy their own ram after market, similar to gamers.*
You would have everyone that is tired of windows but has nice HDMI DVI diplays buy them.*
You would have the more semi pro photographer buy them. *
You would have most all semi pro video users buy these.*
And ironically, all the pros apple were afraid they would lose sale to, would buy these instead of the pc rendering farms as well as place them in their smaller studios, so it not a matter of how come, it more like their are misguided somehow. I mean they really only care about the iPhone now, example, One to One and Pro C are used to be one program. Now it's seperated and most of the training used to be pro apps, and is now iLife and $99 each. So why not go ahead and build them. *There is a huge market out there. The only problem I would see is people would want their own video card at new egg or Frys pricing and apple would have to start supporting numerous cards but all the companies are gone and there's only nvidia and ati, so that wouldn't be that big of a deal and it would for sure, put a dent in the hacntosh.

There are millions of users waiting. Just take a page from what digidesign did.*
They would have 20% of the marketshare within a year and to top it off, it would increase the sales of iMacs as business and enterprise started off with these mid range machines. 30% in less than 5 years. Is it really so hard to understand Apple?


Peace all.*


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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

I've said it before and will say it again. Only adding a few different elements to the mix.
With Apples pricing, they sort of painted themseleves into a corner. Example mac air thus no netbook due to high price.

Now Avid makes about 98% off all tv/ feature films we see as they make editing equipment. Their sister company, Digidesign, makes high end audio systems.
Avid can run around $100,000k, pro tools anywhere from $5000 to $50k depending in your needs. A few years ago though, they saw the trend that computers were getting faster and people were not buying pro tools tdm which are basically cards that take the load off the CPU as even high end top 10 artists wrrevrecording at home and mixing only in the studio, so Avid BOUGHT OUT M-AUDIO as this is a pro-Sumer company. All the software runs native unless you have say a fx pci card or express slot card with FX (same for video and people were livid apple took it off the 15", in fact most were hoping to see a 13 MacBook pro with express so that could slide in gig back, record shows, ideas.

Now. With this new chip. This is apples chance to raise the prive a little and realease the 4/8 cores as headlesss mid range. Not only will they get millions of prosumer audio users that make up a bulk of the market. They would get gamers that make more sales than video and music combined.

If you have a good, great gaming machine by Apple, you also have a device that will run their Pro Apps and oddly, Apple assumes they will lose money as the Pros, 2~3%, would buy the cheaper alternative, and their right, we would but so woudnt the gamers (who make up more sales then video sales and music sales combined), as well as the millions of ProSumers who don't really have the cash for a server made desktop but do have the talent, not to mention all the studios that had mac pros would also buy these non existent devices for their smaller rooms. In a nutshell, Apple would MAKE money not lose money due to lack of sales but they can't seem to figure that out yet.*

Avid/Digidesing did!!!! They saw people were no longer buying their $$10,000 TDM (processing chips in a card, thus reducing CPU latency which you cannot have in music), and saw computers were getting faster and faster and more core on a single dye were happening, so they purchased M-Audio which relies on the cpu only. In music it's caled native recording vs TDM. In fact, for the mac pro, for those left with the express slot, now only the 17" has it forces yet higher prices on the pro, with an express card, you can purchase something similar that puts all the processing on the card that goes into the express slot. Google. "UAD laptop express" card and you'll see what I mean. Apple could make more money simply by adding an express slot on the iMac. Add in esata and the sales go even higher. *

Anyway, Apple can do it but won't as I said earlier great grahics normally mean it can run pro apps and they don't really want that and rather have you buy the mac pro when in fact they would make so much more anyway.*

Check it out. Let's pretend apple released a $1000 i7 core with a great graphics card, 1000 FSB, normal memory, headless and in the future you could swap the CPU out. *
You would have thousands of gamers buy them.*
You would have millions of musicians buy them and buy their own ram after market, similar to gamers.*
You would have everyone that is tired of windows but has nice HDMI DVI diplays buy them.*
You would have the more semi pro photographer buy them. *
You would have most all semi pro video users buy these.*
And ironically, all the pros apple were afraid they would lose sale to, would buy these instead of the pc rendering farms as well as place them in their smaller studios, so it not a matter of how come, it more like their are misguided somehow. I mean they really only care about the iPhone now, example, One to One and Pro C are used to be one program. Now it's seperated and most of the training used to be pro apps, and is now iLife and $99 each. So why not go ahead and build them. *There is a huge market out there. The only problem I would see is people would want their own video card at new egg or Frys pricing and apple would have to start supporting numerous cards but all the companies are gone and there's only nvidia and ati, so that wouldn't be that big of a deal and it would for sure, put a dent in the hacntosh.

There are millions of users waiting. Just take a page from what digidesign did.*
They would have 20% of the marketshare within a year and to top it off, it would increase the sales of iMacs as business and enterprise started off with these mid range machines. 30% in less than 5 years. Is it really so hard to understand Apple?


Peace all.*

Not to be too insulting, but I must say that I'm really glad Apple doesn't have you on their marketing team.

Avid's video business has been pretty much decimated by Apple since FinalCut Pro has been on the market. More and more TV and film houses are using FCP on their productions, due to the cost efficiency / performance ratio of the Apple ecosystem (it's been that way for a number of years now!), thus Avid does NOT control 98% of the video editing market as you state. More like 50 - 60%.

As far as the pro audio market is concerned, the market is trending away from external DSP solutions, precisely because computers are becoming more and more powerful. Every Mac comes shipped with Logic Light, a.k.a. Garage Band, and Logic is - despite the competition from apps such as Cubase, Digital Performer, Live and ProTools - still the best complete digital audio workstation out now, and is selling very well WITHOUT having to rely on external DSP products. An Apple-branded external DSP solution will not increase sales of Logic Studio, as you suggest.
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So 12 cores would be Duodecore or Duodecacore, although I prefer the Greek prefix:

Dodecacore

But not as sexy as Sexacore.

I wonder if there'll ever be a Centicore = 100 cores!
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post #18 of 91
Stop that bullshit, Apple cares less about market share. Apple cares about profit by relying on excellence.

It's just like exotic cars. Of course Porsche, or Ferrari, or Aston Martin, or Bugatti, whatever would sell more of their cars if they divided their price by two or three. But nobody wants that, not (e.g.) Porsche nor their customers. Porsche wants to make the very best cars and make profit selling them, customers want the very best cars and pay the matching price. Excellence is much more than the simple sum of its parts, and is therefore paid (exponentially) more, but without that hefty price tag, there would be no will of attaining excellence from Porsche, nor exigence of excellence from their customers.

Apple works just the same, only it's just not the same playing field.
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actually, sexicore. Which is even better.

Hex is Greek though.

I think duo and quad are made out of Latin. So the use of "sex" is more logic even though hex sounds more computer language.
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Originally Posted by Mobius View Post

So 12 cores would be Duodecore or Duodecacore, although I prefer the Greek prefix:

Dodecacore

But not as sexy as Sexacore.

I wonder if there'll ever be a Centicore = 100 cores!

LMAO!!!
post #21 of 91
I want one... I can believe! It sounds just like what we need from Apple.
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WARNING. TPPED ON IPHONE sometime means quite a few spelling and grammar mistakes. Example fit instead of for. The iPhone should allow for certain words never to be typed unless you use a key command. Anyway, You know, 50% increase is great for just two more cores but I though I read somewhere AMD might have an 8? We need that and need it to work to get intel back in line so we can have those price wars again. Before AMD had the 1.9 ghz Athlon, intel would charge $700 for a 50 MHz doped bump.


Anyway, a few things, why not 8? Is there a dye problem, six is a departure from the 2,4,6, 8,16,32,64,128,1024,2048 as we've cone to know and love, so I wonder why 6 and if it's low watts, then pc users will have a field day as the bios will allow formnucg greater overclocking due to the low heat which begs some questionsANCan they apply thus to laptop for great times in between charging.

What about faster speeds with more watts?


As stated earlier, this could be acgood time to come out with the midrange predicted last year as their current models could become the midrange with the 6 and 12, 48, being the top of the line. Just some ideas.


Peace.
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Performance numbers of Intel's new six-core Xeon were prematurely revealed by Polish website PCLab, showing strong increases in performance for the chip rumored to be in the next iteration of the Mac Pro.

Hardmac reported that test and performance results of Intel's new 6-core Xeon chips code-named "Gulftown" were briefly featured on PCLab before being taken down at the request of Intel. According to the test results, the new chips are nearly 50% faster than the previous quad-core Xenon during parallel tasks, and use up to 50% less power.

This chip will, according to sources, be featured in future Mac Pro models that could arrive as early as the first quarter of 2010. The "Gulftown" chip will be sold under the Core i9 name and will be Intel's first six-core, dual-socket processor. The 32 nanometer chips feature 12MB of L3 cache. If paired with another chip, as Apple usually does in its high-end workstations, the processors will offer 12 physical and 24 logical cores.

In a previous story, Hardmac reported that the new Mac Pro will have a modified motherboard with a 10Gbit/second Ethernet port and will support 8GB and 16GB RAM modules, allowing for a maximum of 128GB of RAM. The report also stated that it is likely that Apple would have short-term exclusive use of the i9 processor. Apple has enjoyed short-term exclusivity during the release of the previous two Mac Pro lines.
post #23 of 91
Dual 6 core.

Hmm.

Married to the quad core on the iMac.

And you have the 27.5 inch screen.

You run the Mac Pro through the iMac screen.


Wow. That's alot of juice.

16 'hard' cores. 32 virtual.

That's...alot of render power for 3D.

Just hope the new Mac Pro gets some sort of makeover. Not that the case looks bad in any way. It's still a timeless work of art to me.

And a price cut would be nice. £1899 is ridiculous for something that has a weak gpu and no monitor included. It's a joke compared to the Nehalem iMac.

Should be another round of GPUs from Ati and Nv by then. Hope Apple offers the latest ones.

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #24 of 91
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Originally Posted by bitzandbitez View Post

MAN, i cannot keep up with the Joneses anymore, so why do we need SO MUCH MORE POWER FOR AGAIN??

I am still saving up for last years or is it this years model?? (damn I lost track already)
oh, I forgot i'm going to need it for that rocket ship I'm building in the back... yeah right.

eeesssshh!!!!

In audio, video, cad, science, there is no such thing as to much power. Fir the consumer yes.

Fir the prosumer, never. Especially if the machine has no TDM ( pro tools) avid (www.avid.com) cards, or with prosumers UAD AND cards like this fir the laptop.
http://www.uaudio.com/products/uad/uad2solo/index.html and of corse the make it for pci cards too. Thus is one of dozens if companies. One virtual composer may have a live orchesta to score their one hour (43:29) show, but 5-10 machines running sample libraires from EWQLSO, VSL, Symphobia with as much ram as possible, fir their mock up. For laptop users, there chives become limited, thus the out cry when some wants a faster mac 15" and they suddenly see thier esata or sound device slot gone. And this isvnit just for prosumers. Pros with $50,000-$100k studios were just as livid as you can't put you mac pros in your carry on your mac pros. Let's blhope this is it and they finally "Get It" thus time.
post #25 of 91
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

I've said it before and will say it again. Only adding a few different elements to the mix.
With Apples pricing, they sort of painted themseleves into a corner. Example mac air thus no netbook due to high price.

Now Avid makes about 98% off all tv/ feature films we see as they make editing equipment. Their sister company, Digidesign, makes high end audio systems.
Avid can run around $100,000k, pro tools anywhere from $5000 to $50k depending in your needs. A few years ago though, they saw the trend that computers were getting faster and people were not buying pro tools tdm which are basically cards that take the load off the CPU as even high end top 10 artists wrrevrecording at home and mixing only in the studio, so Avid BOUGHT OUT M-AUDIO as this is a pro-Sumer company. All the software runs native unless you have say a fx pci card or express slot card with FX (same for video and people were livid apple took it off the 15", in fact most were hoping to see a 13 MacBook pro with express so that could slide in gig back, record shows, ideas.

Now. With this new chip. This is apples chance to raise the prive a little and realease the 4/8 cores as headlesss mid range. Not only will they get millions of prosumer audio users that make up a bulk of the market. They would get gamers that make more sales than video and music combined.

If you have a good, great gaming machine by Apple, you also have a device that will run their Pro Apps and oddly, Apple assumes they will lose money as the Pros, 2~3%, would buy the cheaper alternative, and their right, we would but so woudnt the gamers (who make up more sales then video sales and music sales combined), as well as the millions of ProSumers who don't really have the cash for a server made desktop but do have the talent, not to mention all the studios that had mac pros would also buy these non existent devices for their smaller rooms. In a nutshell, Apple would MAKE money not lose money due to lack of sales but they can't seem to figure that out yet.*

Avid/Digidesing did!!!! They saw people were no longer buying their $$10,000 TDM (processing chips in a card, thus reducing CPU latency which you cannot have in music), and saw computers were getting faster and faster and more core on a single dye were happening, so they purchased M-Audio which relies on the cpu only. In music it's caled native recording vs TDM. In fact, for the mac pro, for those left with the express slot, now only the 17" has it forces yet higher prices on the pro, with an express card, you can purchase something similar that puts all the processing on the card that goes into the express slot. Google. "UAD laptop express" card and you'll see what I mean. Apple could make more money simply by adding an express slot on the iMac. Add in esata and the sales go even higher. *

Anyway, Apple can do it but won't as I said earlier great grahics normally mean it can run pro apps and they don't really want that and rather have you buy the mac pro when in fact they would make so much more anyway.*

Check it out. Let's pretend apple released a $1000 i7 core with a great graphics card, 1000 FSB, normal memory, headless and in the future you could swap the CPU out. *
You would have thousands of gamers buy them.*
You would have millions of musicians buy them and buy their own ram after market, similar to gamers.*
You would have everyone that is tired of windows but has nice HDMI DVI diplays buy them.*
You would have the more semi pro photographer buy them. *
You would have most all semi pro video users buy these.*
And ironically, all the pros apple were afraid they would lose sale to, would buy these instead of the pc rendering farms as well as place them in their smaller studios, so it not a matter of how come, it more like their are misguided somehow. I mean they really only care about the iPhone now, example, One to One and Pro C are used to be one program. Now it's seperated and most of the training used to be pro apps, and is now iLife and $99 each. So why not go ahead and build them. *There is a huge market out there. The only problem I would see is people would want their own video card at new egg or Frys pricing and apple would have to start supporting numerous cards but all the companies are gone and there's only nvidia and ati, so that wouldn't be that big of a deal and it would for sure, put a dent in the hacntosh.

There are millions of users waiting. Just take a page from what digidesign did.*
They would have 20% of the marketshare within a year and to top it off, it would increase the sales of iMacs as business and enterprise started off with these mid range machines. 30% in less than 5 years. Is it really so hard to understand Apple?


Peace all.*

I would buy this machine in s heartbeat! Great post!

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I live and work in hollywood now. Spent 8 years at Capitol records. FinalCutvare in the room ms that make the bumpers avid are used mainly fir feature film.

My idea I'd was from apple was to put back the express slots in most of the machines as the low end ones need them the most.

Then by moving 12/24 machines to the top, they can fill in the prosumer markets with the midrange machines. It's not that difficult to understand. plus you get the gamers who's same= more then music/video combined, plus of corse enthusiasts. Their are a lot of pro sumers that apple doesn't target and just by removing the expresscslot was a huge blow to audio users.

I'm glad we agree in DSP, as it is dead but you overlooked Avid swooping up MAudio as they saw the writing on the wall and one simply has to go to the logic forums at apple to see the complaints of CPU overload and ironically, iMovie will render anything in real time wheras FCP won't due to compressor and various codecs. Apple puts more time into consumer software then they do pro apps which is seen at any one to one session. Five years ago, people were learning fcp or logic now it's older people trying ti set up email.

All I was saying is this would be a great time ti really sock it to the competing vendors but so far, anything that has good graphic is normally crippled as good gpu means they can run pro apps thus the deletion if FireWire for a time then the non matte option in iMacs. They want prosumers to buy pro machines. It doesn't work like that. Trust me. I've been in a room with two top guys from steinberg who said it was the cracks that give them free promotions.


Again, just add the express port in most if the machines, matte as an option and build a mid range machine. Let the vendors take care of the rest instead of worrying about tge 3-4% of Pro users and what machine they night buy or not. The prosumer sales similar to avid owning maudio will tKe care of the rest.


Peace. And I don't take your comments as insulting. This is a good time fir Apple. They are
doing well. Nowadays let's focus on the user base that kept apple afloat all pre iPod and iPhone days. It's a plan easy to execute and would target some of the holes apple has in their computer line.
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Not to be too insulting, but I must say that I'm really glad Apple doesn't have you on their marketing team.

Avid's video business has been pretty much decimated by Apple since FinalCut Pro has been on the market. More and more TV and film houses are using FCP on their productions, due to the cost efficiency / performance ratio of the Apple ecosystem (it's been that way for a number of years now!), thus Avid does NOT control 98% of the video editing market as you state. More like 50 - 60%.

As far as the pro audio market is concerned, the market is trending away from external DSP solutions, precisely because computers are becoming more and more powerful. Every Mac comes shipped with Logic Light, a.k.a. Garage Band, and Logic is - despite the competition from apps such as Cubase, Digital Performer, Live and ProTools - still the best complete digital audio workstation out now, and is selling very well WITHOUT having to rely on external DSP products. An Apple-branded external DSP solution will not increase sales of Logic Studio, as you suggest.
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Sure you would, but it would be at the expense of a iMac or Mac Mini, which is why Apple isn't going to release it. Not to mention it wouldn't be making it's typical twenty to thirty percent profit.

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I would buy this machine in s heartbeat! Great post!
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Wow, this is proof to me that machines are taking over the world.

This computer would be even more board than my current machine, waiting on me to press a key.

"Please, press a key!!!!!"
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...The only problem I would see is people would want their own video card at new egg or Frys pricing and apple would have to start supporting numerous cards but all the companies are gone and there's only nvidia and ati, so that wouldn't be that big of a deal and it would for sure, put a dent in the hacntosh...

Except Nvidia and ATI have closed their driver code, so Apple would have to presuade them to write the drivers for all those cards. Likely not in the cards...
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actually, sexicore. Which is even better.

Hex is Greek though.

But Quad is Latin, hence the sexicore is better for consistency (and sex-appeal)
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A measly 6 cores?


I'll wait for the 80 core Intel monster to arrive in 5 to 6 years

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=196901229



And if that's not enough there's the 1000 core processor in the works

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[QUOTE=Macfinger;1527612]If a two-core processor is a 'Dual Core' and a four-core processor a 'Quad Core' is not the proper name for a six-core processor a 'Sex Core' ... ? /QUOTE]

Never happen - geeks are the ones who come up with the names and geeks don't think that way.

For example, in the old days, we has SCSI hard disks. If it had bee up to normal people to pronounce that, they would have called it 'sexy'. But, no. The geeks had to call it 'scuzzy'.
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A measly 6 cores?


I'll wait for the 80 core Intel monster to arrive in 5 to 6 years

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=196901229

Yes, clearly a tech demo which is not even x86 (the instruction set was similar to Itanium's) will translate to a marketable product.

The amount of insanity in this thread is mind boggling. Please dial it back, just a bit?
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I wonder if Apple will refresh the case.

What's the problem with the current design?
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MAN, i cannot keep up with the Joneses anymore, so why do we need SO MUCH MORE POWER FOR AGAIN??

Easy... scientific computing. We have an AMD 48-core workstation in the lab that we use all the time (eight 6-core processors). Personally, I think Intel is lagging behind AMD with the multiple-core processors... the Istanbul Opterons ROCK!
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Uhhhhh...any rumors on the MBPs? You know, the machines most Mac users now use?

Not so much rumours as likelihood. The mobile Core i7s are ramping up production now. Next years MBPs and MBA should be using them. Nothing else would make sense.


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Anyway, a few things, why not 8? Is there a dye problem, six is a departure from the 2,4,6, 8,16,32,64,128,1024,2048 as we've cone to know and love, so I wonder why 6 and if it's low watts, then pc users will have a field day as the bios will allow formnucg greater overclocking due to the low heat which begs some questionsANCan they apply thus to laptop for great times in between charging.

We just go to 6 so why do think 8 has been skipped? The 45nm Core i7 Bectons, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, have 8 cores.


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What's the problem with the current design?

Some people like the visual aspects to change to help justify a purchase. I dont quite understand it. Maybe so it makes it obvious that one isnt using an on G5 Power Mac from half a decade ago. Seems like a dumb reason to me and I cant find anything wrong with the current design.

Its a essentially a cuboid so much change you can do to it? There is really no need to got to extreme measures to make it lighter and stronger like with unibody milling and the design is still very relevant today. I cant think of a single way that Apple could make it more appealing? No more brushed aluminum? Use a different shape air vent? change the handle design?
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Anyway, a few things, why not 8? Is there a dye problem, six is a departure from the 2,4,6, 8,16,32,64,128,1024,2048 as we've cone to know and love, so I wonder why 6 and if it's low watts, then pc users will have a field day as the bios will allow formnucg greater overclocking due to the low heat which begs some questionsANCan they apply thus to laptop for great times in between charging.

Probably because 4 was too few and 8 was too many. The die size is ≈240 mm^2 which is a bit smaller than Gainestown's.

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Easy... scientific computing. We have an AMD 48-core workstation in the lab that we use all the time (eight 6-core processors). Personally, I think Intel is lagging behind AMD with the multiple-core processors... the Istanbul Opterons ROCK!

AMD will also have 12 cores at around the same time as Intel will have 8. Possibly same thing with 16 and 12.
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For some reason I love when tech sites write Xenon instead of Xeon.

I installed some neat xenon under-cabinet lighting in my kitchen a couple years ago. The line-voltage bulbs put out a lot less heat than halogen, last several times longer and work with a wall-mounted dimmer switch. The fixture design provides for very quick and simple lamp changing. How's that for straying off-topic?

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post #39 of 91
For those seeing this machine as an opportunity for Apple to bring out a mid-range tower slotted between the Mini and the Pro, I don't think the Mini is far removed from being enough computer for a lot of folks. I have a new 2.53 Mini combined with an external 7200 RPM 1 terabyte hard drive hooked up via Firewire 800 and it's quite a decent combo. Bring this forward maybe two years and the Mini by then will have even better specs. I would expect a quad-core chip, an updated GPU, more hard drive capacity, more internal memory than the 4 gigs it already comes with, etc. If such a Mini is in the pipeline for early 2012, or somewhere thereabouts, the mid-range tower really has no place in a market in which desktops are falling out of favour.

I don't agree that Apple is wrong to not offer a mid-range tower. Raising the bar on the Mini – even now a rather capable machine – is making it progressively less critical that the mid-range market be served by a separate product. The consumer-oriented Mini will just keep on getting more powerful and the Pro will likewise be even more useful for pros as the specs keep moving forward. Both segments get what they want and/or need. Those kind of in the middle will have less to complain about going forward, probably having their needs met by a future iteration of the Mini or, if they're into overkill, a high-powered Pro. Having paid around $7,000 a few years back (including an upgrade of the GPU and bringing the RAM up to a gig) for a dual-core G4 500 tower, I'm liking the state of Apple's desktop offerings a whole lot more now. For me the current Mini is enough and by 2012, few of us, I suspect, will have a legitimate need for more horsepower than it will come with at that time. What would be the point of the mid-range tower in that scenario and if such a unit would be rendered pointless so soon, why bother engineering the thing now?
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Now with all these cores, we need more software written that can utilize parallel processing. Even more so, can we make it so we can utilize other processors on a network (like, if you wanted to use the 27in iMac with a Mac Pro) as easily as multiple cores? (Only specific apps can use Qmaster at the moment) Was that written into Grand Central? I'm telling you, making multi-cores and multi-machines on a network all talk and act happy together would be amazing! (Heck, what about writing a tiny OS that runs on ALL 586 procs and PPC (G3) and better that allows processing to be done on over the network to bring out some of the older machines... but I'm sure that's not efficient enough. And of course, make it really easy to control and setup and available on the standard version of OS X.

I understand there would be network bottlenecks. Algorithms could be found to figure out the bandwidth of the network, and how to efficiently use that bottleneck.
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