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Signs of a new iPhone hardware model being tested online and Apple's interest in updating the handset's built-in Maps application have been revealed.

A handset identifying itself as "iPhone 3,1" was tracked by PinchMedia in its application iBART for San Francisco public transportation. According to MacRumors, iPhone 3,1 appeared in its usage logs during November.

The reference could signify a new iPhone model with major hardware changes, as Apple only changes the first number in a product's identifier string when it receives a significant upgrade. The current iPhone 3GS carries the identifier iPhone 2,1 while the original iPhone identifies itself as iPhone 1,1, and the iPhone 3G -- which featured minor architectural changes from its predecessor -- is iPhone 1,2.

Apple's use of 3,1 implies major and distinct changes, a practice that it also uses with its Mac lineup. References in software to an iPhone 3,1 have existed for some time, but the alleged use of the unreleased hardware would be a first.

Early this year, signs of iPhone 2,1 began appearing online. That hardware was eventually released months later, in June, as the iPhone 3GS.

Apple has released all of its iPhone updates in the summer. Recent rumors have suggested that the company could release a Verizon-capable phone in 2010.

Also revealed this weekend was a new job listing from Apple for a software engineer to work on the iPhone Maps application. The listing seeks a full-time employee to work in Cupertino, Calif., on the software.

"The iPhone has revolutionized the mobile industry and has changed people's lives and we want to continue to do so," the listing reads. "We want to take Maps to the next level, rethink how users use Maps and change the way people find things. We want to do this in a seamless, highly interactive and enjoyable way. We've only just started."

The description is particularly interesting because Apple quietly purchased a Google Maps competitor, Placebase, this summer. The worldwide mapping company offered products that would aggregate data on subjects such as demographics, home sales, crime, mortgage lending, school performance and more.

In addition, the existing Maps application has been a point of contention between Apple and Google. Apple rejected the Google Latitude app because it was reportedly thought the software would only be confused with the default Maps application. Google instead released a Web-based version of the software.

Google has added additional functionality to its own Android-powered handsets with Google Maps Navigation, a free turn-by-turn voice guidance system part of the new Motorola Droid. Google has said it would like to bring the software to the iPhone, if Apple approves.

Earlier this month, AppleInsider revealed that Apple is looking to hire an in-house game developer to create original content for the iPhone and iPod touch. To date, Apple has only released one first-party game for the iPhone, Texas Hold'em. The job listing could signify that the handset maker is looking to create more of its own games.
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post #3 of 52
June 2010 will be huge. Unless Apple introduces their maps implementation earlier . . .
post #4 of 52
Looks like I'll have to let my 3G contract run out. This one is probably worth waiting for (rather than settling for the 3GS).

Worldphone (i.e., GSM+CDMA)? 3G+4G? (I very much doubt that it's just a CDMA phone).
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Thanks for this nice piece. Much better at explaining everything. Looks like they're going to make their own maps a default on their mobile devices versus Google Maps. Google vs. Apple war is on!
post #6 of 52
Really, really interested in seeing Apple's answer to GMaps.

Will an Apple street team drive around the world to map everything out like Google StreetView?

i think it'll likely make use of the Compass feature and maybe even augmented reality.
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post #7 of 52
So was this mysterious 3.1 device browsing from a Verizon IP?

That should also show up in the server logs.
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post #8 of 52
I was just reading this same article on Mac Rumours, The amount of bitching and whining about OMG they will never be able to survive without Google maps is laughable.

I personally hope they kill off all Google ties to the iPhone. Implement fresh code to allow their own native applications to work. Now i hear people saying that this means that we will no longer have the TOM TOM app in the store. Why? The current mapping app doesn't replace the TOM TOM device. Its a basic mapping application.

Almost like a street directory for your phone.

I have a distaste for Google. They have gone from being a small company that had the heart of a geek to now becoming that guy who was crammed in his locker with his underwear stuffed up his ass as a child now getting his revenge!.

The moral of this story is never piss off a geek....... unless its the Woz because he's just a fatty fat dancing fool... and he couldn't catch you anyhow
post #9 of 52
Let's only hope this is a new form factor and will be out in Q2 2010.
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Looks like I'll have to let my 3G contract run out. This one is probably worth waiting for (rather than settling for the 3GS).

Worldphone (i.e., GSM+CDMA)? 3G+4G? (I very much doubt that it's just a CDMA phone).

I wouldnt bet money on any of that.

Though I do agree with waiting for the next iPhone at this point. were about half way point between the 3GS arriving to until we found out the next model. If you dont buy an Apple product within a couple months of it landing I always suggesting waiting.
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post #11 of 52
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how do you "higher" a developer?

Give him plenty of bong hits.
post #13 of 52
iPhone 3,1. Must be those PA Semi people everyone's gotten so excited about.
post #14 of 52
I didn't get the upgrade for the 3GS. They wouldn't let me until Mar 2010. This will force me to wait for the new model in summer at hopefully an upgrade price!
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One thing I've found interesting is that although everyone complains about the battery life of the iPhone/touch, there doesn't seem to be any talk of if the new lithium polymer batteries that are in all the MacBook Pros are scalable down to the size of the iPhone.

If they are, I'd expect them to be in the next iPhone/touch iteration. Now THAT would be one of the best, if not THE best improvements on the iPhone.

Has anyone seen any discussion on this topic - whether the lithium polymer battery can scale down? If so, please post the links for me.

The iPhone/touch have lithium-ion battery currently.

From Apple's web site:

"To increase battery life without increasing the size and weight of our notebooks, Apple scientists and engineers used lithium-polymer. This type of battery can be customized to fit perfectly inside extremely thin enclosures, like those of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro."

"Extremely thin enclosures..."

So, can this battery technology be used in the iPhone/touch and triple the battery usage time as they did with the MacBook Pros?

If so, it would be HUGE for the iPhone. HUGE!

Anyone know?
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I didn't get the upgrade for the 3GS. They wouldn't let me until Mar 2010. This will force me to wait for the new model in summer at hopefully an upgrade price!

Well, people will always have to sit out one model if you stick to your 2year plan.
For me it was the other way - I didn't see that big of an incentive with the 3G but I instantly fell in love with the speed of the 3GS. Apps launch and feel sooo snapy.

As for the 4G rumors: it won't happen in 2010 as the networks aren't ready yet. Even if the first 4G networks appear in early 2011 I wouldn't count on a 4G iPhone for the same year. Apple has a proven record to "wait" a little bit, let chips get cheaper, the technology more advanced (and spread) and THEN come out with it. We're gonna see a bunch of Nokias and Blackberries on 4G before there is a 4G iPhone.

Although, i'm wondering how they gonna call it. I personally didn't like the "3GS" as a name. Just call it "iPhone" and that's it. Just like you did with the iPod.
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...So, can this battery technology be used in the iPhone/touch and triple the battery usage time as they did with the MacBook Pros?

If so, it would be HUGE for the iPhone. HUGE!

Anyone know?

totally agree. battery life still sucks on the iPhone (as well as on all the other touchscreen phones out there). that's a point where Apple could go ahead and lead the industry once more.
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totally agree. battery life still sucks on the iPhone (as well as on all the other touchscreen phones out there). that's a point where Apple could go ahead and lead the industry once more.

Better battery + OLED = Heaven.
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I don't understand everybody's griping about the iPhone's battery-life. It's supposed to fit in your pocket while still powering a relatively huge, full color screen, WiFi, 3G, GPS, GSM, Bluetooth and what not...

I get 3 days of standby without recharging. That's while getting/making about 4 calls a day a couple of texts and listening to music for about an hour every day and playing the occasional game for about 30 min's.... I call that pretty good...
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The reference could signify a new iPhone model with major hardware changes

Yep. Display and radio. 3 years is good age to change for the better.

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post #21 of 52
I'm flabbergasted. Are you really sure Apple is working on the next iPhone? So soon? I find it much more likely that they're sitting on their hands until the competition catches up. Then they'll panic and start working again.

Frankly, what kind or reporting is that?
post #22 of 52
"Take it to the next level" - hmm, some nice corporate speak there. But I think I need to take that discussion off-line. Anyway...

What could it mean? I guess they could show you a virtual 3D walk to your destination before you start, like map kiosks in shopping malls.

Or they could integrate speech recognition, since that seems to work well with limited vocab applications. You program in your destination and start walking and when you reach a corner you ask "Which way now?" and it answers.

Or it could support moving targets, like the destination is someone else's iPhone.
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The description is particularly interesting because Apple quietly purchased a Google Maps competitor, Placebase, this summer. The worldwide mapping company offered products that would aggregate data on subjects such as demographics, home sales, crime, mortgage lending, school performance and more.

In addition, the existing Maps application has been a point of contention between Apple and Google. Apple rejected the Google Latitude app because it was reportedly thought the software would only be confused with the default Maps application. Google instead released a Web-based version of the software.

Google has added additional functionality to its own Android-powered handsets with Google Maps Navigation, a free turn-by-turn voice guidance system part of the new Motorola Droid. Google has said it would like to bring the software to the iPhone, if Apple approves.

Earlier this month, AppleInsider revealed that Apple is looking to higher an in-house game developer to create original content for the iPhone and iPod touch. To date, Apple has only released one first-party game for the iPhone, Texas Hold'em. The job listing could signify that the handset maker is looking to create more of its own games.

Yep. Apple are rich enough to lay their hands on something generating or/and aggregating geo-awareness content. All rich guys do that. GOOG develop faster, that's true, but Apple have better ideas.

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post #24 of 52
I would think the screen would be one of the big changes. 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi is well behind most of the newer phones. I was using a Nokia N900 and the screen is unbelievable - pin sharp.
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Hey Apple, use an arrow on the maps to let me know which way I'm facing!

Played with my friend's 3GS, and there didn't seem to be any compass implementation in the maps app. Next update should be quite a jump forward since the competition is (and would have) stepping up and we still have 6 or so months of advancements ahead.
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LOL. I skimmed through the article and that was the one item that really stood out. Who writes these things?

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I'm flabbergasted. Are you really sure Apple is working on the next iPhone? So soon? I find it much more likely that they're sitting on their hands until the competition catches up. Then they'll panic and start working again.

Frankly, what kind or reporting is that?

flabbergasted ?? did you cut the cheese again ?

sitting on there hands ?? no there going to HIGHER a flabbergaster !!

and if apple sat on there hands for a decade they still would not catch up

panic you say ?
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LOL. I skimmed through the article and that was the one item that really stood out. Who writes these things?

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post #29 of 52
and the maps situation shows how stupid google is
google is a one horse game show with a hundred useless tendrils searching for their second income source . Fear invades googles every waking thought that the ad income will disappear over night when the next big thing happens .. and there correct to cower.it will end for them one day .some kids will write code for free that kills google off.



instead of respecting apple and working WITH apple they proceed to step on all of apples toes at once
everywhere you look google's face is butting in .
so apple responds with its own maps .
telling google to sit down calmly in the corner and f off.

google isn;t even making or even trying to make money in all these far flung area's

ThEIR just 3 kids who need 2 decades more seasoning on relationship building
trying to out APPLE on apple's sacred iphone screens real estate ended what could have been a great union .


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I didn't get the upgrade for the 3GS. They wouldn't let me until Mar 2010. This will force me to wait for the new model in summer at hopefully an upgrade price!

Me too.

Sure is painful waiting though. The 3G can hardly run the basic OS without crashing unless you leave it half empty, (let alone apps of any size or complexity).

My 3G is approaching the "WinMobile experience" lately.
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Me too.

Sure is painful waiting though. The 3G can hardly run the basic OS without crashing unless you leave it half empty, (let alone apps of any size or complexity).

My 3G is approaching the "WinMobile experience" lately.

Do not know what you all are running but my 16Gb 3S has only 2.4Gb space left and having no issues with running apps.
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[QUOTE=Cesium133x;1527870]I'm flabbergasted. Are you really sure Apple is working on the next iPhone? So soon? I find it much more likely that they're sitting on their hands until the competition catches up. Then they'll panic and start working again.

Frankly, what kind or reporting is that?[/QUOTE

If you going to write something at least make sense
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Hey Apple, use an arrow on the maps to let me know which way I'm facing!

Played with my friend's 3GS, and there didn't seem to be any compass implementation in the maps app. Next update should be quite a jump forward since the competition is (and would have) stepping up and we still have 6 or so months of advancements ahead.

If you have the 3GS you have the compass and the option to make the direction you are heading to always be forward on Maps.

I’m sure you are aware of the little icon in the lower left corner of Maps that will find your GPS location. If you tap it again it will activate the compass so the maps in relation to your direction.


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Me too.

Sure is painful waiting though. The 3G can hardly run the basic OS without crashing unless you leave it half empty, (let alone apps of any size or complexity).

My 3G is approaching the "WinMobile experience" lately.

That isn’t normal. The OS hasn’t gotten any slower or larger since the original iPhone OS release. It still uses about the same amount of RAM. I’d wipe it, reinstall it but then don’t restore from backup. I’d then rebuild it manually and then save that one to a back up when you are done.

PS: The original and 3G are short on RAM. They have enough to run the OS but try running multiple apps and that 128MB RAM gets used up quickly. The 3GS is the first iPhone to actually have enough RAM to potentially allow decent background apps to run.

I expect this to be an iPhone OS v4.0 feature for the 3GS and the next iPhone onward. Also, I expect it to work similar to the way Push Notifications work. Meaning it needs to be added by the developer first through an API and then turned on in your Settings.
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If you going to write something at least make sense

I think he was attempting sarcasm.
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One thing I've found interesting is that although everyone complains about the battery life of the iPhone/touch, there doesn't seem to be any talk of if the new lithium polymer batteries that are in all the MacBook Pros are scalable down to the size of the iPhone.

If they are, I'd expect them to be in the next iPhone/touch iteration. Now THAT would be one of the best, if not THE best improvements on the iPhone.

Has anyone seen any discussion on this topic - whether the lithium polymer battery can scale down? If so, please post the links for me.

The iPhone/touch have lithium-ion battery currently.

From Apple's web site:

"To increase battery life without increasing the size and weight of our notebooks, Apple scientists and engineers used lithium-polymer. This type of battery can be customized to fit perfectly inside extremely thin enclosures, like those of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro."

"Extremely thin enclosures..."

So, can this battery technology be used in the iPhone/touch and triple the battery usage time as they did with the MacBook Pros?

If so, it would be HUGE for the iPhone. HUGE!

Anyone know?

Of course it can "scale down." They are used right now in small/light in model airplane applications. I can only assume the cost is a factor.
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Better battery + OLED = Heaven.

OLEDs are not all they are cracked up to be. Look at reviews of the Zune. They are promising, but the tech is not mature yet and has several disadvantages.

The next iPhone needs some common sense improvements:
  • 5MP or better camera
  • Flash
  • Custom text sounds w/o hacking
  • Tethering
  • Wireless syncing
  • Better notification system for missed calls/texts.
  • Centralized mailbox view option for e-mail accounts.
  • Auto categorization of apps by type. Manually organization takes forever and is clumsy.
  • Better call reliability, possibly through other networks.
  • Faster processor and application load times
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One thing I've found interesting is that although everyone complains about the battery life of the iPhone/touch, there doesn't seem to be any talk of if the new lithium polymer batteries that are in all the MacBook Pros are scalable down to the size of the iPhone.

Apple do use Li-Poly batteries in their iPods and iPhones. I think theyve been using them in their iPods since day one even though they only list them as Lithium Ion instead of Lithium Poly or Lithium Ion Polymer. You can see the difference because they are flat batteries, the standard in cell phones and PMPs.
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OLEDs are not all they are cracked up to be. Look at reviews of the Zune. They are promising, but the tech is not mature yet and has several disadvantages.

The next iPhone needs some common sense improvements:
  • 5MP or better camera
  • Flash
  • Custom text sounds w/o hacking
  • Tethering
  • Wireless syncing
  • Better notification system for missed calls/texts.
  • Centralized mailbox view option for e-mail accounts.
  • Auto categorization of apps by type. Manually organization takes forever and is clumsy.
  • Better call reliability, possibly through other networks.
  • Faster processor and application load times

Those are all pretty reasonable, except for wireless syncing. Trying to sync 32 or 64GB is just too slow and not user friendly. If its just for contacts, bookmarks, etc. then MobileMe is what Apple will push for that. The use of USB to directly connect to iTunes for backing up and syncing is very solid and wont be changing, especially after the Sidekick and Pre loss of data incident. What Id like to see if the next Macs have USB3.0 and the next iDevices also get this for speedier syncing.

I dont think the 5MP camera will happen next time around. A flash would be nice for still camera users but low-light CMOS cameras are getting more common. Having that in a video camera may be more likely since Apple wont have to tarnish the case to add the feature like they would with a flash.
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I think he was attempting sarcasm.

Maybe we need a new word for that... like "sarcazzing", or "sarked"...

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Not sure if there is a way but I was unable to figure out how to dismiss the blue circle of my current location. This became a problem when I was in an area where the satellite images were very washed out and with the semi transparent blue overlay it was near impossible to discern any detail in the images at all. Unless I've missed something I hope the next Maps app fixes that issue.

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