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post #41 of 79
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Originally Posted by calcanuck View Post

I'm not sure what the big deal is Zinio has been doing this for years using a DRMed PDF format with embedded videos and slideshows and such. This looks to be pretty much the same thing with a newer UI treatment. Most of your favorite magazines are already available in the Zinio format.

http://www.zinio.com/


Zinio is okay, but it is old hat. The problem with such page-turner devices is that they are essentially a magazine scanned to a PDF. Using them is clumsy and reading them is tough. For most page-turner software you have to zoom in and out and you quickly lose both where you are on the page, and your will to live.

It is an attempt to make print media more digital-friendly than simple web-pages, but users really hate using it. Time Inc's demo gives a great taste of how impressive this new digital format could be.
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post #42 of 79
Those illustrative hands were really creeping me out!

I wonder if they belonged to the AT&T customer relations guy?

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post #43 of 79
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Yes, we're all free to speculate. What you've got there is mostly gibberish driven by what appears to be dead stock Apple animus, as demonstrated by the pissy little "Apple doesn't do search either", there at the end. Devastating, all the fan boys are in tears.

But, you know, if you have to invoke a free OS on a free tablet on a free internet to "prove" that any possible Apple branded tablet would be a poor value, then knock yourself out. I've actually had my limit of "emotionally damaged people who's loathing of Apple compels them to register at an Apple site and explain how everybody's an idiot" for the week.

Ease down a little. Take a breath and remember it's a blog. It's only a place to express your comments or ideas on the article posted.

My point is, this particular Article chose to leave out very relevant information that lead me to read the story in the first place.

Time Inc. Magazines are going to be cross platform and not driven by any OS.
So in reality the Article Headline could have read.

Time is releasing their digital magazine's for ALL OS's currently shipping.
post #44 of 79
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So in reality the Article Headline could have read.

Time is releasing their digital magazine's for ALL OS's currently shipping.

To be fair, the headline said 'tablet-friendly'. What tablet? Pick one...
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post #45 of 79
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Originally Posted by MacMad View Post

Zinio is okay, but it is old hat. The problem with such page-turner devices is that they are essentially a magazine scanned to a PDF. Using them is clumsy and reading them is tough. For most page-turner software you have to zoom in and out and you quickly lose both where you are on the page, and your will to live.

It is an attempt to make print media more digital-friendly than simple web-pages, but users really hate using it. Time Inc's demo gives a great taste of how impressive this new digital format could be.

You're right but I'm still wondering why, if this demo was given on a PC HP and the software was Adobe why this story even made it on an Apple Forum?
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To be fair, the headline said 'tablet-friendly'. What tablet? Pick one...

Since Apple doesn't have one it would have to be a PC tablet wouldn't it?

That is why the demo was given on a PC.
post #47 of 79
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You're right but I'm still wondering why, if this demo was given on a PC HP and the software was Adobe why this story even made it on an Apple Forum?

Because the article is about Time Inc's "tablet-friendly publishing concept" and Apple is rumored to have a kick-ass tablet in the making and, it is further rumored, will be tackling the digital publishing platform.

Is simple, sir.
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post #48 of 79
did anyone notice that the tablet/ software put content on the TV? Definitely an expression of the "Apple tablet". Looking forward to "it".
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post #49 of 79
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Because the article is about Time Inc's "tablet-friendly publishing concept" and Apple is rumored to have a kick-ass tablet in the making and, it is further rumored, will be tackling the digital publishing platform.

Is simple, sir.

You used the word Rumor twice for a device that doesn't exist.

Apple has been rumored to do a lot of things. The 3GS was rumored to be OLED with HDMI and have True Multi Tasking. Did it happen? No, Apple gave a compass and a really bad video camera. But hey. It sold when there was no competition.

You are correct about one thing in your statement. It's simple. Apple doesn't have anything but a rumor.
post #50 of 79
It is because the device is not yet available (or even seen) that I use the word rumour. I really don't know what you're getting at.

Do you think there isn't an Apple Tablet in the making? That we won't see it in 2010?

Don't worry... no one is going to force you into buying one.
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post #51 of 79
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You used the word Rumor twice for a device that doesn't exist.

Apple has been rumored to do a lot of things. The 3GS was rumored to be OLED with HDMI and have True Multi Tasking. Did it happen? No.

You’re harping on MacMad for stating correctly that a device is rumoured? Seriously?! And prior to that you wrote, "Then I'll speculate” which clearly means your making a guess based on incomplete information. Do you not see the hypocritical irony of these posts?

Furthermore, not all rumours are created equal. The idea that HDMI were going to be in the next iPhone were baseless. There was nothing in Apple’s past that should make anyone think that Apple would drop the thin 30-pin connector for HDMI, especially after they pushed all their focus from DVI to DP.

Multitasking will come as will OLED. I am certain of this just as I am certain that performance will still be improving in 10 years, yet I can’t prove any of these ahead of time. For these reasons I also know that the tablet will come just as many of us know that the iPhone was going to come. Look back on the demos and rumour sites in the months leading up to MacWorld 2007 and you’ll see the same pattern happening again. It just made sense then and it just makes sense now. The technology is now (mostly) here, a company like Apple excels with these thin, integrated devices and it’s an area that their current customers already have interest in.

PS: I also predict that people will also spend too much time mourning dead celebrities they never personally knew and that I’ll have this conversation again on this forum. \
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post #52 of 79
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You are the only Apple user I've ever heard say this. Anytime Adobe Flash is mentioned in a tech room Apple users always say it runs terrible.

Adobe Flash runs fine on all my Macs too.

It doesn't run as well as it does on Windows in terms of stability and resources, though.
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post #53 of 79
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Adobe Flash runs fine on all my Macs too.

It doesn't run as well as it does on Windows in terms of stability and resources, though.

I dont get many problems in the way of crashes, but it taxes more than 100% of 200% CPU load just to play a Hulu video in a window. Adobe still doesnt even have a Beta of 64-bit Flash for Mac while Linux has a 64-it beta or any HW accelerated Beta for Mac while Windows has it, so I wouldnt expect Flash on a device running ARM or Atom to be able to play video from OS X.
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post #54 of 79
Seems kind of careless and weird to use standard OS X scroll bars ~ 2 minutes into the video.

(@2:16 to be exact)
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At the same time, trees are planted so that they can be cut down and used for paper... If the land doesn't have a value has a forest, it might be used for something more profitable and less ecologically sound.

Eco-terrorists probably don't want to hear this opinion. So true.
post #56 of 79
Introducing the SI Tablet:
http://www.thewonderfactory.com

The Apple iTablet must also run Mac applications. It must be a touch Mac.
post #57 of 79
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Why woud the author go out of his/her way to point out it was demo'd on an HP?

Do all Apple rumor sites really live in a life of "I'll believe anything the article says"?

If it was running on a Mac then don't you think the article would have said.

"This demo was done on a MAC X compute".

Live with the facts as they have been posted and speculate all you want but it's an HP on a PC Platform.

If Time does go this route then I'll be able to subscribe on my PC. Why would I need another device? I have a smart phone that has Adobe Flash on it and a PC that has the same.

OK. Just pause the video at position 2:17. Then take a close look at the scroll bar on the pop-up view. Any Mac user can tell you that it is a standard Mac OS X scroll bar.

It does not matter what it was demoed on. The magazine publishing authoring tool will likely run on Windows and Mac. In preview mode, the screen will look exactly like the target device. Similar to the iPhone software development tools that run only on the Mac.

Also, Time Inc. and Apple Inc. have very good relations. Time was probably one of the first publishing companies that Apple contacted and I am sure they would not say no to something like this. Once the product is released, the authoring tools will probably be made available to the general public. Who knows perhaps the authoring tools will be free for Apple Publishing partners.

Why does it bother you so much that this is an Apple product?

ciao
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If Droids are so good, go buy one.

I like these idiotic responses to facts that are stated about other companies doing well.

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I'm waiting for a tablet from Apple (to add to my collection of other Apples).

We have no doubt you will pull your wallet out, bend over, and take it anyway apple dishes it out. What a lemming...
post #59 of 79
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Think of all the trees that won't get cut down because of the Apple Tablet replacing all the paper publications.

Think of ALL the folks who will loose jobs over this

This new technology is a double edge sword. The jobs gain, by the jobs lost, will not off-set each other, as most of the new jobs that might be created, will be overseas.

The price we have to pay, for a growing world I guess.


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Just as the desktop computer made the "paperless office"!


Environmentalists always crack me up... Did ya hear about the Global Warming hoax pulled by Al Gore and company??? "He betrayed this world! He played on our fears!" Love it when their own words come back to bite them on the a$$.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11...ts-emails-CRU/

Sorry I couldn't publish a link of a similar story from the New York Times newspaper, but NYT on Hacked Global Warming Emails, "We Won't Publish Statements That Were Never Intended for the Public Eye".



Unless of course they are The Pentagon Papers!!!

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Good to know the New York Times is Fair and Balance and is objective journalism at its best and is staffed by the most ethical reporters and journalists and editors of all time! Wait for it....

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I'm not an environmentalist, and I didn't say "paperless," you idiot. I said, "Think of all the trees that won't get cut down. . ." That means fewer, no "no."

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post #61 of 79
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Since Apple doesn't have one it would have to be a PC tablet wouldn't it?

That is why the demo was given on a PC.

Do we really have to explain this to you?

It's a concept. It's a prototype. It doesn't matter what the hardware was or that it wasn't a real hand pointing to stuff.

The point is that we're ready for electronic publishing on a tablet-like device. Apple seems to be at a distinct advantage in this because it has a lot of the infrastructure already in place (robust OS which a lot of developers won't have to RE-learn for a new device, online store structure for selling subscriptions and other products, retail store network for showing off the new devices, manufacturing process and durable aluminum case design, system integration, etc., etc.).

Would-be iPhone competitors should be realizing by now that they're going to have to do a LOT more than spitting out a few goofy gadgets that sorta look like the iPhone in order to be any sort of lasting competition. Same will go for any "tablet-based publishing" operations.

Apple is going to literally rock our world with this new line of products. So go ahead a keep spewing all this complacent, critical drivel. It's your right, after all. But also know that it won't affect Apple's success at all.

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post #62 of 79
If by not hurting, you mean possibly losing a significant chunk of their sales to Napster, but raping people other ways, you probably are correct.

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Speaking of green, the music industry wasnt hurting when Apple came along and wanted to sell music online, but the publishers are hurting.
post #63 of 79
At least your screen name is appropriate.

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Eco-terrorists probably don't want to hear this opinion. So true.
post #64 of 79
The demo from SI also suggests other amazing possibilities: better electronic textbooks.

As I'm not a programmer, but am an educational materials developer, I hope Apple or somebody produces an app that will allow people to create content easily.

 

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Think of all the trees that won't get cut down because of the Apple Tablet replacing all the paper publications.

At least books do not have to be plugged in to fossil powered wall sockets. Mostly trees are replanted, and cutting down and planting trees provides jobs.
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post #66 of 79
I've had Zinio reader for magazines for almost 10 years now. Who cares?
Beside I prefer paper anyway- if I can't touch it, and throw it out or pass it on, I don't want it.
post #67 of 79
I see they dropped a hint, in the guise is a Mac OS scrollbar

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post #68 of 79
Textbooks...

With audio/video, weblinks, interactive quizzes, note taking and marking-up. Awesome learning tools, especially for language arts, history, science, art, well, every topic, I guess. Would beat the heck out of lugging paper versions around.

 

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I've had Zinio reader for magazines for almost 10 years now. Who cares?
Beside I prefer paper anyway- if I can't touch it, and throw it out or pass it on, I don't want it.

Oh will you shut up. Do you ever have anything positive to say? If you ask me you use this website as an opportunity to give out.

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post #70 of 79
Brian Garner is my new favorite AI writer. I like his straight forward approach to writing an article.
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Textbooks...

With audio/video, weblinks, interactive quizzes, note taking and marking-up. Awesome learning tools, especially for language arts, history, science, art, well, every topic, I guess. Would beat the heck out of lugging paper versions around.

If done right you probably are making a lot of sense right now.
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post #72 of 79
If I am going to be paying for these it would be nice to not have any advertisements...especially video intensive ones. Take the junk out and keep it clean.
post #73 of 79
Depends what you want to pay for it. Magazines already know they have advertisers who buy editorial, I mean adverts, every week. I'd imagine that's worth well more than newstand and subscription revenue.

So even though this is far cheaper to produce and distribute (ie costs far less), sales revenue would be down much more without ads.

Still, I think its very, very important that the magazines reflects better value if it costs them less to produce and they cut out a good number of the usual handlers (delivery, newsagents etc). We need to see them share the savings with us too.

It's micropayments that work best online and if the magazines get greedy (as I fear they might) they'll attempt to drop e-mags on for the usual newstand prices (ie $5, 10, 15, 20 for many mags). In my view that's just not going to cut it.

The price equation must be kept down and low if they want this market and this product to succeed.
post #74 of 79
I think was an extremely impressive demo - Time obviously understands that the future of magazines is going to depend upon value add - not simply having a magazine in electronic form, which is all that book publishers have done so far. I have not purchased an e-Reader to date because aside from the advantages of storage, I see no value-add. This demo proves that there can be substantial value-add.

The combination of adding video and additional photos to traditional articles combined with real-time scores makes absolutely perfect sense and in spite the comments of some of the naysayers who have posted, overcomes the objections of emedia vs. print.

I can see taking it even further - when you have an article about the game, you click on an appropriate picture or icon and get all of the highlights from a game, perhaps actually eminating from a ESPN or ABC or the NFL itself or whatever.

Regardless of the hardware platform used in this particular demo, it's pretty obvious that the type and level of interaction was heavily influenced by Apple's established UI.

What's not completely clear is whether this was an improvised demo or an actual, fully interactive, fully working application.

What's also not clear is the level of editorial and technical resources necessary to bring each issue to fruition. Even if this type of publishing can eventually save the skins of magazine companies, they're all suffering financially and they're not going to make huge investments. As just a few small examples, if you buy 50 photographs exclusively from a photographer instead of 3, that's going to cost you a lot more money. If you include video, someone's got to edit it. Even with all the interaction and value-add, would someone be willing to pay $10 an issue for SI? It might not be financially viable if not.

What Apple will bring to the party if they follow the iPhone model is development tools and a store. Regardless of the positives or negatives of Apple's tools for the iPhone, 100,000 apps have been developed in a relatively short time period. In the past, Apple also brought their UI expertise and their UI was always a few years ahead of everyone else, but I think this demo proves that the gap is closing fast. The question is whether the demo was animated or tool-based.

But a brilliant first attempt at demonstrating the possibilities. Now we'll have to wait and see what Apple brings to the table. At the very least, my bet is that it also has many of the iPhone capabilities: email, web browsing, movie viewing, etc.
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I think was an extremely impressive demo - Time obviously understands that the future of magazines is going to depend upon value add - not simply having a magazine in electronic form, which is all that book publishers have done so far. I have not purchased an e-Reader to date because aside from the advantages of storage, I see no value-add. This demo proves that there can be substantial value-add.

I don't know if I agree it's substantial value-add, but definitely some added value, depending on magazine price of course. I definitely agree about e-readers though, they are simply far too expensive for what you get. Most of these books are available for free at the local library, and it get you out of the house.
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OK. Just pause the video at position 2:17. Then take a close look at the scroll bar on the pop-up view. Any Mac user can tell you that it is a standard Mac OS X scroll bar.

It does not matter what it was demoed on. The magazine publishing authoring tool will likely run on Windows and Mac. In preview mode, the screen will look exactly like the target device. Similar to the iPhone software development tools that run only on the Mac.

Also, Time Inc. and Apple Inc. have very good relations. Time was probably one of the first publishing companies that Apple contacted and I am sure they would not say no to something like this. Once the product is released, the authoring tools will probably be made available to the general public. Who knows perhaps the authoring tools will be free for Apple Publishing partners.

Why does it bother you so much that this is an Apple product?

ciao

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This is not a "demo". It is a "mock-up". It is a fabricated animated illustration. Do you get it yet?
No? Let me try again: The video is just animated simulation of what the product will (presumably) do. It is not a video of someone actually using an actual existing device.
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I see they dropped a hint, in the guise of a Mac OS scrollbar

And the diagonal light reflection on the black margin of the screen is very Apple marketing too. Perhaps that means that Time have grabbed an Apple image and used it to create their own rumormongering buzz around their own demo, because that screen border is a perfect copy of the unibody Macbook screen that I'm reading this on.

Not that this means much, but it's fun to pick these things out.

BTW - given that so many people have problems with the reflective screens, it seems odd that Apple highlight the problem by having a diagonal light reflection across all their monitor images.

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Just as the desktop computer made the "paperless office"!


Environmentalists always crack me up... Did ya hear about the Global Warming hoax pulled by Al Gore and company??? "He betrayed this world! He played on our fears!" Love it when their own words come back to bite them on the a$$.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11...ts-emails-CRU/

Sorry I couldn't publish a link of a similar story from the New York Times newspaper, but NYT on Hacked Global Warming Emails, "We Won't Publish Statements That Were Never Intended for the Public Eye".

Unless of course they are The Pentagon Papers!!!


Good to know the New York Times is Fair and Balance and is objective journalism at its best and is staffed by the most ethical reporters and journalists and editors of all time! Wait for it....

Wait for it...

Wait for it....



You actually don't know what you are saying. Of the millions of of data points and thousands of conflicts and collaborations that go in ALL scientific research, let alone global warming, many are questionable and up for debate and interpretation.

Whether there is global warming trends and whether it is human caused has nothing to do with emails, it has to do with data and trends and well designed computer models.

Everything else is only useful for People magazine and right-wing radio dolts.

So your LOL's, mini-Nixon are stupid.

And the Pentagon Papers were actually important.
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Just as the desktop computer made the "paperless office"!


Environmentalists always crack me up... Did ya hear about the Global Warming hoax pulled by Al Gore and company??? "He betrayed this world! He played on our fears!" Love it when their own words come back to bite them on the a$$.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11...ts-emails-CRU/
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How about this from the same website.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-28-on-climategate/
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