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In the works for years, Apple's new campus in Cupertino, Calif., was finally given preliminary approval this week, potentially paving the way for the company to expand to a new 7.78 acre property.

The Cupertino Planning Commission unanimously voted Monday to rezone the property along Pruneridge Avenue to the category of planned development industrial and residential, according to Los Angeles Daily News. Last April, Apple was unsuccessful in obtaining the same rezoning.

"Some commissioners wanted a more definitive proposal from Apple before rezoning a prime piece of residential land. The new zoning allows for both office and residential use," the report said. "The site, which is south of the Hewlett-Packard campus, houses two office buildings currently occupied by Apple employees."

Apple purchased the property in 2006, but at that point it had been previously rezoned by the city to clear the way for a 130-acre condominium project. Michael Foulkes with Apple denied to the Daily News that Apple intends to build a campus on the site. Right now, he said, the company is just trying to assess its options.

But the 7.78 acre property is one of a number the company purchased with the original intent of building a 50-acre campus.

In 2006, Apple co-founder Steve Jobs himself appeared at a Cupertino City Council meeting and explained that his company's growth has forced it to expand to buildings that are far away from the Apple campus.

"What's happened at Apple is that our business has basically tripled in the last five or six years," Jobs said more than three years ago to the council. "And what that's meant, is that our headcount in Cupertino has dramatically expanded."

Jobs said, at the time, that Apple planned to level the buildings located on the 50-acre lot to form what would eventually become the company's second home, about a mile away from its current headquarters. In 2006, it was said that it would take three to four years to design and build the campus, which would house 3,000 to 3,500 employees.

Since that meeting, though, the plans have fallen behind schedule, as Apple failed to gain the necessary approvals to move forward. But this week's approval would seem to suggest the new campus is once again a possibility.
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What is a campus?
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3 years of fighting the bureaucracy in order to expand your premises. And people wonder why there is 10% unemployment.
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What is a campus?

What is a dictionary?
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What is a campus?

This is the result of people losing their minds to be first in line!
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What is a dictionary?

Look how smart you are!
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What is a campus?

That's California talk for an industrial (office)park.
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What is a campus?

That's like the equivalent of being called a "guest" in a Starbucks line rather than a customer.
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I can't understand why Apple doesn't expand its current campus by buying up neighbours or move to a different location, e.g. the Hewlett-Packard campus.


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Look how smart you are!

You know, if someone asked about something complex or technical, I would agree with your point. But asking for a definition that is one control-click away does not advance the state of knowledge here.

And remember: Give a man a fish, and he eats for one day. Teach a man to fish, and the whole office becomes a lot quieter on Friday afternoons.
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You know, if someone asked about something complex or technical, I would agree with your point. But asking for a definition that is one control-click away does not advance the state of knowledge here.

I agree. Its a single word that would take less time to look up than it would to ask the question in a forum.
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What is a campus?

A bunch of buildings, usually with some parkland or gardens in between, and a few parking lots.

It's like a University campus. You have a bunch of buildings which may be connected by walkways, with greenspace in between. It's sometimes like a small city, with cafeterias, banks, residences, classrooms, halls, libraries, separate colleges, etc, game rooms, bars, etc.

Business campuses usually involve office buildings, research buildings, manufacturing, etc...
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I can't understand why Apple doesn't expand its current campus by buying up neighbours or move to a different location, e.g. the Hewlett-Packard campus.




I hear Redmond has some excellent office space available in a prime location.
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Does anyone know how far away these campuses are from Google's? Maybe apple is moving away so that google can't steal their ideas as they are building Google Phone.

Correction, never mind it is in cupertino so still a short drive away.
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Infinite Loop is fairly landlocked; buying up the individual homes to the east might work, but a campus allows for smooth flow of people between buildings, and not just more space. Trying to marry the loop with another property would be pretty hard. Maybe they should do something to support public transportation and expand into the parking lots... Cupertino has virtually no access to BART or Caltrain (7-10 miles to closest station).

I thought their new campus was well into design at this point. Odd.
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Companies like Google and Apple use the word campus to disguise the fact that they are really billion dollar publicly traded commercial companies.

Is it still going to be 50 acres?
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Excellent news, plenty of space there to host AMD + ATI!!!!

Make it happen Apple!!


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I hear Redmond has some excellent office space available in a prime location.

ahah, great post, but I heard it has a rather foul armpit ambience to it.
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Companies like Google and Apple use the word campus to disguise the fact that they are really billion dollar publicly traded commercial companies.

Really? This term has been around for decades as a description of large corporate office complexes, especially in the technology industry. It isn't meant to disguise anything AFAIK, and if it is, it certainly isn't working.
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Really? This term has been around for decades as a description of large corporate office complexes, especially in the technology industry.

Yeah, and that's the reason. Don't be surprised, don't be so naive.
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Companies like Google and Apple use the word campus to disguise the fact that they are really billion dollar publicly traded commercial companies.

Is it still going to be 50 acres?

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Yeah, and that's the reason. Don't be surprised, don't be so naive.

Why would companies reveal how big and powerful they are in every single way expect when it comes to the technical nomenclature of their complex? That makes no sense.

Id wager that its the intra/internet that made this term popular. Computer networks starting with government and then moving to university. Multiple networks between buildings all under the same overall administration but often with separate support and access were not a LANs or WANs. It seems obvious that these LANs all within a relatively small geographic location would be called a Campus Area Network (CAN). Less often used and more accurately for spanning between a larger, yet smaller geographic area but with geographic areas in between not connected to the CAN or LAN were called Metropolitan Area Networks.

I see no skullduggery here with the naming. Hell, Google calls their main site the Googleplex. Not exactly a name you want if you are trying to be humble.
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Companies like Google and Apple use the word campus to disguise the fact that they are really billion dollar publicly traded commercial companies.

That's funny, the government has campuses. Universities have campuses. Hospitals have campuses.

Me thinks you are reaching into a very odd place with your comment.
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I’d wager that it’s the intra/internet that made this term popular.

Poppycock - you got someone trolling a stupid comment and hijacking the thread. The term was used long before computers and networks were a gleam in any engineers eye.

To me it's more interesting to see that Apple's plans might be back on track again. I guess economic reality is sinking in for the Cupertino town council. It's about time something started re-aligning impractical attitudes of california politicians. Their may be hope for the state yet. Hope the citizens of CA are enjoying their forced loan to the state. Unbelievable.

If Apple really wanted to expand, I would look elsewhere. California seems hell-bent on slipping into the economic abyss (with a few other states not far behind).
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The term was used long before computers and networks were a gleam in any engineers eye.

I did say made popular, not first time used, but I got into computer network design pretty young so my introduction is likely different than most. I no longer pay for access to the OED online, otherwise I could have looked up some specific dates of varying usage.
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1774, from L. campus "a field," probably prop. "an expanse surrounded" (by woods, higher ground, etc.), from PIE *kampos "a corner, cove," from base *kamp- "to bend" (cf. Lith. kampus "corner," Pol. kepa "island in a river"). First used in college sense at Princeton.


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If Apple really wanted to expand, I would look elsewhere. California seems hell-bent on slipping into the economic abyss (with a few other states not far behind).

They have agreed to spend at least $1B in North Carolina over 10 years at a new facility. That is something.
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OED agrees with 1774:

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1774 in J. F. Hageman Hist. Princeton (1879) I. 102 Having made a fire in the Campus, we there burnt near a dozen pounds [of tea]. 1826 R. MILLS Statistics S. Carolina 701 The whole disposed so as to form a hollow square containing about ten acres which is called the Campus. 1833 J. FINCH Trav. U.S. & Canada 282 In front of the College is a fine campus ornamented with trees. 1879 H. J. VANDYKE Jr. in Princeton Bk. 382 The central point of the Campus, the hub of the college world, is undoubtedly the big cannon. 1904 H. N. SNYDER in Sewanee Rev. Jan. 87, I am almost willing to shut my eyes to the excesses of the noisy strenuosity of the athletic mood if it bring into the campus life a warm, vital sense of college unity. 1939 Nature 26 Aug. 392/1 Frome Avenue, on the opposite side of which is the [Adelaide] University campus. 1958 Times 10 Mar. 12/7 Not only in the cloistered courts of Cambridge but also on college campuses in America. 1958 Sunday Times 27 Apr. 20/7 The first walls are rising of Sir Hugh Casson's new arts faculty campus. 1959 Listener 19 Feb. 326/2 As in this country, some of the best of this kind of history is written off campus. 1968 Brit. Univ. Ann. 30 To my eye, the Birmingham campus has now developed into one of the most attractive in the country.
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OED agrees with 1774:

We have the date of when campus was first used in the sense of "grounds or fields used by a university but what about a date and topic of the terms expansion to include hospitals or other institutions?
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We have the date of when campus was first used in the sense of "grounds or fields used by a university but what about a date and topic of the terms expansion to include hospitals or other institutions?

I suspect this word came into usage to describe a corporate headquarters with rise of the technology industry, to denote the similarity of the research and development going on in both.
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What I don't get is the issue over "rezoning a prime piece of residential land". I've looked at the property on Google Maps and aside from one area west of the site which is already residential, the site (assuming it's the area directly south of the HP campus) is already filled with office buildings and seemingly, no unbuilt open space.

So unless the local Board was thinking that someone was eventually going to tear down the industrial or office buildings and build housing, how could it possibly be a "prime piece of residential land"?

Also, isn't 7 acres kind of small for a new campus? I thought the site was supposed to be around 50 acres.

But at least for the period that Apple will be knocking the current buildings down and putting up new ones, it will create some construction jobs. And hopefully, it will also create some new permanent jobs at Apple, not just move people from other sites.

Has Apple started construction in North Carolina yet?
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