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It absolutely is NOT BS. 1900 Mhz has very little wall penetration. END OF STORY. Only the technically incompetent would ever disagree.

Previously you said almost zero now you're saying ver little. These, and other statements you've made are generalized hyperbole. You've qualified it with nothing other than suggesting that no one should disagree with you or be deemed "technically incompetent". The fact is 1900MHz is a shorter wave length that 850MHz which makes penetration through various objects harder. It does not mean that pretty much any structure at any distance from source will not penetrate with 1900MHz but will with 850MHz.


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I don't know how ATT can better communicate it, because in the ads it really doesn't resonate, but that's a huge feature that I can't do without. I'd be really frustrated....

AT&T really needs new marketing. Their ads are pretty bad in every regard.
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[QUOTE=solipsism;1531529]Previously you said almost zero now you're saying ver little. These, and other statements you've made are generalized hyperbole. You've qualified it with nothing other than suggesting that no one should disagree with you or be deemed "technically incompetent". The fact is 1900MHz is a shorter wave length that 850MHz which makes penetration through various objects harder. It does not mean that pretty much any structure ant distance from a cell tower will not penetrate with 1900MHz but will with 850MHz.



To even question it PROVES you have ZERO background in Commications. That IS pure technical incompetence.
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To even question it PROVES you have ZERO background in Commications. That IS pure technical incompetence.

Not winning anyone over here, dude.

The ability for radio waves of various frequencies to propagate through solid materials depends on a host of factors. While it is undeniably true that lower frequencies can generally penetrate further than higher, to just baldly state that 1900MHz signals can't go through solid materials, or just barely can, is simply untrue. Some people on AT&T get cell service in their houses, some don't, depending on their particular circumstance.
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It should be noted, that these communities like many of the more pompous, will not let companies build the necessary towers. It is not always the wireless companies fault.

I think that there are spots for the equipment available, but it's expensive because of the cost of the real estate, low density and the need for redundancy due to the hilly topography. Here's a chance for Verizon or AT&T to score good customers.
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To even question it PROVES you have ZERO background in Commications. That IS pure technical incompetence.

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My principles won’t let me take credit for that. Start video at 9min:30sec to see source.

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My principles wont let me take credit for that. Start video at 9min:30sec to see source.
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Good source, though! Thanks for the link, I'm watching the episode.
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I think that there are spots for the equipment available, but it's expensive because of the cost of the real estate, low density and the need for redundancy due to the hilly topography. Here's a chance for Verizon or AT&T to score good customers.

It is not that it is expensive. It is folks in the community that just say when somebody comes and asks about putting up a cell tower, "Not in my backyard" and there is no amount of money that will change their minds period.

Andof course i can all depend who was there first.

Great site ti see who is who and where. http://www.cellreception.com/towers/...h&state_abr=ca
post #130 of 148
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To do so, it would require an army of engineers to literally walk over every square meter of this country with listening devices/probes.

But Verizon already does that! (Sheesh! You'd think people would watch TV!)

(yes, that's a joke -- yes I can't remember the last time I turned a TV on -- and yes, I apologize in advance if someone already said it -- I could not resist!)
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But Verizon already does that! (Sheesh! You'd think people would watch TV!)

(yes, that's a joke -- yes I can't remember the last time I turned a TV on -- and yes, I apologize in advance if someone already said it -- I could not resist!)

That reminds me of this comical video
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It is not that it is expensive. It is folks in the community that just say when somebody comes and asks about putting up a cell tower, "Not in my backyard" and there is no amount of money that will change their minds period.

Not really! There are lots of places for the equipment. For instance there are two large reservoirs in Bel Air owned by the City of Los Angeles. It's high up, has several facilities anyway. The cell equipment could easily be put far from homes and wouldn't be noticed. There are other public properties and reservoirs in the nearby communities I mentioned. I think the cell phone company just think that it's not worth it for the density.
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post #133 of 148
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No Wireless Carrier can identify all of their weak spots. To do so, it would require an army of engineers to literally walk over every square meter of this country with listening devices/probes..

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AT&T's app now provides important information that Verizon doesn't have about how important specific areas of coverage are to its customers. Sorry, Verizon loses again.

Even the army of engineers would not know which of the weak spots were important to AT&T's customers. AT&T spends billions of dollars every year in improving its network, but it still is not enough to eliminate every weak spot. Thus they have given their customers a means of helping them target the best places to spend the money (as Foo2 correctly observes). This application is really something iPhone users should embrace.

Improvements cannot be expected instantaneously, but I think they will be pretty quick, since AT&T would dearly love to impress Apple enough to persuade them to extend the iPhone exclusivity agreement.
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To even question it PROVES you have ZERO background in Commications. That IS pure technical incompetence.

Brother, if you can't even spell the word "communications," I don't know that I believe a single word out of your mouth relating TO communications.
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post #135 of 148
Historically Apple puter owners also needed access to a Windows machine for certain tasks. I still have a PC too. Now I see people carrying both an AT&T and a Verizon phone to insure coverage (when available).
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post #136 of 148
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Not really! There are lots of places for the equipment. For instance there are two large reservoirs in Bel Air owned by the City of Los Angeles. It's high up, has several facilities anyway. The cell equipment could easily be put far from homes and wouldn't be noticed. There are other public properties and reservoirs in the nearby communities I mentioned. I think the cell phone company just think that it's not worth it for the density.

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Q: I have hill top property that would be great for a cellular tower. There's a road to the top and the site has electric power. How do I find someone to lease my location?

A: You think it might be great. But if a wireless company or tower company hasn't contacted you then you're probably out of luck. Using their own engineering studies, these folks decide where they want their towers and then they contact nearby landowners. They know about your hill already and most likely don't need it. Well, 99% of the time.

http://www.privateline.com/Cellbasics/leasinginfo.htm

Wireless carriers lease the towers from wireless tower companies.
http://www.cellularphonenews.com/wirelesstower.htm

You can build your own or lease your land. http://www.celltowerinfo.com/CellTow...onYourLand.htm

Lawyers abound. http://www.celltowerattorney.com/app...s-carrier.html

And your neighbors may not always agree or have issues that could delay. http://www.privateline.com/Cellbasics/leasinginfo.htm
post #137 of 148
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It absolutely is NOT BS. 1900 Mhz has very little wall penetration. END OF STORY. Only the technically incompetent would ever disagree.

maybe 850 penetrates better, but i have the proof in my hand that says there is sufficient wall penetration to give me a great signal wherever i have been working with smoking fast 3g speed.
all your griping, whining and exaggerations wont change the cold hard fact.
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The problem I have is that it is too little too late. When I first moved to DC, I immediately called AT&T to complain about the service. Here is how it went:

AT&T: Hello this is AT&T how can I help you?

Me: I just moved to the DC area and the coverage in my house is terrible, here is my address

AT&T: Well sir, our "map" shows full 3G coverage, your phone must be bad.

Me: I have three phones in the house and all of them do not work.

AT&T: Well sir then all your phones must be bad, our map says you should have coverage, anything else I can do for you today?

Me: Yes, do you have the number to Verizon?

With that kind of customer service I am supposed to believe they all of sudden will fix things because I plugged it into an app? Not likely, just a ploy to counter the Verizon attacks. I can guarantee many upon many customers call about bad service and nothing is done.

The same thing happened to me except that in my case I was calling Verizon. I got zero reception in my new apt in the middle of Manhattan with Verizon. And yes, she really did say the exact same thing.
post #139 of 148
This is a good thing because that Verizon guy walking through my house checking the signal really freaks me out!
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Absolutely TRUE. Tower data can reveal when calls were dropped and where the caller was and calls on which signal strength was low. Probably just an attempt to keep competitors from producing the same app and using the data to embarass ATT. Hopefully Verizon will produce an iPhone App I can use to help them with embarrasing ATT into finally fixing its subpar network.

I've seen several people post this... Do you actually think Apple would let Verizon post that app? They didn't let Motorola post the Droid app after all.

The towers can't tell exactly where you are. They also can't tell if you didn't have any coverage and couldn't make a call in the first place. This app also gives you the ability to vote. If they notice that half of Chicago wants to make calls at the beach then maybe the will do something about it.

BTW, they are improving their network. I can now ride the train (excluding the subway) without losing internet access or dropping a call. I hear subway coverage is coming.
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The same thing happened to me except that in my case I was calling Verizon. I got zero reception in my new apt in the middle of Manhattan with Verizon. And yes, she really did say the exact same thing.

Last August I went on vacation with my family and I used that the Mobileconfig method to enable tethering (without jailbreaking) for the trip on both our iPhones. When I came back I forgot to remove it and calls started going directly to voicemail and visual voicemail didn't work. I called AT&T and Apple and spent few days fighting with them until I searched online and found that the problem was caused by the tethering work around. I removed the profile on both phones and they worked great

My experience with AT&T customer service is good so far. I filed an online complaint about slow data connection once and got a phone call the very next day. I also called them 2 weeks ago to cancel a phone line on my family account and they offered my $30 credit and 30 days to find someone to take over the line.
post #142 of 148
Ummm....
No, guys, trees, which we can only find at our latitudes, can't really attenuate the signal so that you would be able to measure how quickly bars disappear from the screen of your phone.
No, guys, you will not use AT&T's app accurately and on the regular basis.

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post #143 of 148
Man, I hope AT&T will really be listening. I work at a local Walmart that sells the iPhone, in fact our store is honored as the #1 seller of iPhones in our area. The problem, reception is spotty at best inside the store. I've been asking for a "repeater or signal booster" inside the store to fully show off the iPhone. Over a year and still no response from AT&T.

I will be using this new app constantly as well as friends who have the same problem. So AT&T here is your chance to clean up your image with your users. Do something.
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Verizon only declined it because Apple wanted a large chunk of everybodys monthly bill. Pure typical Steve Jobs greed has resulted in a beautiful product giving less reliable service than we would otherwise have.

Um, less reliable service to who? Not me. My AT&T 3G works perfectly, every single day.

Whats wrong with you?

I'm not kidding, I'm beginning to think to there is actually something wrong with most of YOU, and not AT&T. I can't corroborate any of your stories.
post #145 of 148
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I'm sure the Verizon fanboys on this forum (aka employees) will find a way.

No Wireless Carrier can identify all of their weak spots. To do so, it would require an army of engineers to literally walk over every square meter of this country with listening devices/probes. And then once a new building is erected, that local data is obsolete.

This will pinpoint the troubles and allow AT&T to focus on those areas to an accuracy far greater than anyone else can provide.

Your response is much too logical and not based upon hyperbole and baseless allegations.

Shame on you!
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solipsism I don't comment frequently here but I do lurk on these forums A LOT. I smell a sockpuppet. the hyperbole and vitrol are just too identical to teckstuds to be a coincidence, frankly.
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solipsism I don't comment frequently here but I do lurk on these forums A LOT. I smell a sockpuppet. the hyperbole and vitrol are just too identical to teckstuds to be a coincidence, frankly.

You have a point but he warned during his last banishment that using another alias was grounds for permanent banishment. Last time the name was created immediately after the banning while johnwhite1000 was created on 03-NOV-2009. Maybe he stored up some names knowing he'll likely get banned once again.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/member.php?u=67280 At any rate, welcome to the posting side of AI.
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You have a point but he warned during his last banishment that using another alias was grounds for permanent banishment. Last time the name was created immediately after the banning while johnwhite1000 was created on 03-NOV-2009. Maybe he stored up some names knowing he'll likely get banned once again.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/member.php?u=67280 At any rate, welcome to the posting side of AI.

thanks. i've been using web forums since back in the bad old days of ICQ and compuserve. any dedicated troll (b/tards anyone?) would tell you that threats of an ip bannin' are mere fuel to the flames. Any bored teenager with a techie IQ equal to their underwear measurement is capable of ip spoofing, and likely has a quiver of sockpuppets available for use at a moments notice. It seemed a bit dodgy that that account was around for maybe a month, if that, with no significant usage up until teckstud's got banned and then alla sudden it's got 20 replies on it? smelled like socks to me, or maybe I'm just cynical.

anyhows back to the discussion at hand and apologies for the derail.

ahem. Okay, sure, bottom line: AT&T likely views this as a publicity / marketing plus (we're all in it for something, hey?) but IMO how can effectively "open sourcing" their coverage issue map possibly be a bad thing?

besides, if you analyse any mobile provider closely I'll warrant you'll find they all suck equally in unique ways. Yea I was pretty content with Verizon so long as all I ever wanted to do was make calls on my mobile. Once I tried going outside their very limited little box of expertise to (god forbid) attempt using my smartphone as anything remotely "smart", I was only just too glad to bail out and try AT&T. Sure they've had glitches but I've never had any major headaches with them. Try calling Verizon sometime to dispute a charge on your bill, I dare you -- and boy do they ever love to tack on those mysterious charges!
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