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i cannot wait for an article published in time about windows being the operating system of the century...
i'm sure mossberg will write it

Exactly. Cheap advertising stunt on the part of Motorola. They have been deep fried in the mobile market, and almost forgotten in Europe, and that's it. Samsung, LG, HTC and the like have better (and cheaper) devices than Droid ...

And this talk about 'buzz about Droid' surpassing other brands does not necessarily mean that it will translate into sales. Reminds me of Burberry recently boasting about having more friends on Facebook than any other high-fashion brand, while in fact selling a small fraction of what the likes of LVMH, Chanel or Gucci sell.
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They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.

Umm.. when they say "best-of-breed 3G network" I think they are talking about Verizon.
Whether it's the best or not depends on how you measure the metric. It's more reliable and more widespread, but it's not the fastest nor does it allow simultaneous voice and data. And as for the reliability part, come back when there are 25 million Droids on it increasing the network data usage 5000%. I'm not an AT&T apologist, but lets compare the situations fairly.
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No, I'm pulling it off the web. Engadget did the test.

http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/29/mot...er-speed-test/

http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2009/11...phone-3gs.html

http://www.iphoneheat.com/2009/10/br...-3gs-vs-droid/

http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-...ser-speed-test

http://www.funkyspacemonkey.com/ipho...eed-test-video

That's one sad looking OS on the Droid, that's for sure.

But I'm sure your own test might show differently. Can we see it?


Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.
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Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users.

Do you have an iphone? I do, and I can tell you that simultaneous voice and data is one of the features I use the most on my phone. It is extremely useful.
post #85 of 269
Good for the Droid. It’s easy to give an Apple product the top placement each year but let’s face it it’s boring. In many ways the Droid is well below even the original iPhone but this isn’t really about what is best it’s about selling magazines and the Droid did actually sell very well for a non-iPhone smartphone. Selling 200K it’s first weekend is pretty damn good for Moto. I agree with the essence of Time’s ranking.

Let’s take Time’s rankings with an enormous grain of salt. They don’t know tech, they are just trying to push print. Let’s look back at some of their notable Persons of the Year:
  1. 1938 — Adolf Hitler
  2. 1939 — Joseph Stalin
  3. 1942 — Joseph Stalin
  4. 1971 — Richard Nixon
  5. 1972 — Richard Nixon
  6. 1982 — The Computer (seriously!)
  7. 1988 — The Endangered Earth (why even take this magazine seriously?)
  8. 2004 — George W. Bush (for 2000 sure, but 2004, not so much)
  9. 2006 — You (yes, You were Time magazine’s person of the year )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year If anyone can find a list of Time’s other ranking for technology I’d love to see them. I’m sure it’s somewhere along the lines of those old black and white Popular Mechanics/Science vids that show how a “housewife” in the future will have it so easy with an automated kitchen.
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post #86 of 269
Too many people with their heads in the sand - wittering about Time itself, or Verizon, isn't the point. At least Apple won't have their heads in the sand, they'll be taking all newcomer threats serious internally.

Android is a good mobile operating system, although in some places it is a little green still.

I have a HTC Hero because it came with everything I needed for a lot less per month. It's the equivalent of an iPhone 3G, CPU wise, and 3GS for other features.

It works very well. Widgets on the screens are very useful, rather than application launchers only. The notifications work well. Contact management is easy, and ties in with Facebook and Flickr (and hopefully more as time passes, but I think the Palm Pre probably wins in this regard). I can drag and drop media to the removable storage (although I am actually a fan of just building enough inside in the first place). The browser is fast. Email is good. The app store is still rather primitive however, but at least there is one, and I expect when I get the Android 2.1 firmware update that this will be improved. Even the software keyboard is good, with all the auto-correct features of the iPhone's keyboard, and some nice features (I don't understand why the Droid has a hardware keyboard, it must appeal to some people though). There's an app for taking a music file and creating a ring tone out of it, on the phone itself (although the phone can use any media as a ringtone anyway). The device is a lot more open.

But it is younger. But the threat is there. The masses of Android phones appearing on the market in the next few months will really do wonders for marketshare for Android, and application availability.

I expect iPhone 4 to have a presentation that includes widgets on the screens, and for the Apple faithful to ooh and ahh over it as if it was an innovation. But at least it would have a very desirable feature, and thus be a better device for all that.

Edit: One thing though, the multitasking leaves a lot of applications running, which eats up memory, and many applications don't have an option to quit, or quit when leaving. The device has 288MB of RAM, yet you can be down to 40MB free after a few hours of usage. Even with no apps running, it looks like Android and its subsystems and the HTC Sense UI (and widgets) uses over 180MB. Most of that is probably down to the ridiculous animations on the weather widget thinking about it...
post #87 of 269
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Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.

The Droid's interface looks *different*. Might be part of the novelty, might not.

I do like the Droid's momentum scrolling speed. That's a nice touch.

When the iPhone came out, there was nothing else like it. Take away MMS, tethering, copy and paste, and the gen 1 iPhone *still* represented something completely new and revolutionary.

All Google needs to do (and it's a tall order) is evolve a mobile/computer ecosystem as attractive, seamless and robust as Apple's.
post #88 of 269
I like both devices and I think the article was okay to name the droid number one. Honestly what's the last phone beside the iPhone to sell so many units on the first weekend and in the first month. Face it the droid is one of the best competitions to the iPhone and that's good. With competition the consumers get cheaper and better products with new innovating features. As far as the AT&T vs verizon thing, both have their ups and downs. Consumers should get the network that works for them. For me verizon is the best choice since they have 3G up here in the artic north. My brother switched from verizon to AT&T and hates it but loves his iPhone. The iPhone is still an amazing phone and I love the droid and it's design and what google is bringing to the market. I'm excited to see what apple and google both bring in their updates to come and the new competition. Before android it was just the iPhone. Now we have a couple of different OSes forcing Apple to keep applying more and more innovation. If it wasn't for the competition we wouldn't have half the features there are now on cell phones or any consumer product for that matter.
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Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.

All poor choices, albeit Stalin may have warranted making it three years in a row from 1943 to 1945.
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post #90 of 269
Hey APPLE...keep on selling your phone on ONE single cellular provider and it may come back to bite you on the ass.

Will you please wake up? Not only one carrier helps bottleneck your sales, but of all things its AT&T which has HORRIBLE mind share even if the problems of the 3G service is untrue.

Apple you know its true. You could have had the market even more cornered but you left the competitors an open crack.

I would be willing to bet that Apple could have sold another 10 million phones this year had it untied itself to the currently worst reputable cell phone carrier. That would mean LESS for Google and MORE for Apple.
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Je pense que les Français ont tendance Ã* faire avec un peu plus style, cependant. Il sonne plus comme un duel, plutôt que les enfants combats. N'est-ce pas?

Avec du style??? T'as tort, mon vieux. A vrai dire, c'est tjs la guerre de tous contre tous. Honteuse et stupide.

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post #92 of 269
Not because the Man of the Year picks. Those aren't necessarily honors -- they often point to someone who caused the most news that year.

Time sucks because they put our beloved iPhone behind a $300+ table fan! It is not even original. Dyson has simply popularized something that has been around for at least 20 years. Look up the Coanda Effect and you'll see what I mean.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.

Yeah, since Apple has never push through that wall with another new idea. Too bad they aren't innovative.
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Yeah grabbing a quote from 1943 in regard to technology. That sounds about right for you.

Short sightedness is timeless.
post #95 of 269
Just like "man of the year" doesn't mean "best man of the year", the "Number one gadget" doesn't mean the "best gadget." I would tend to agree with Time, that the Android is a far more important gadget this year than the 3GS.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Avec du style??? T'as tort, mon vieux. A vrai dire, c'est tjs la guerre de tous contre tous. Honteuse et stupide.

Vous avez complètement détruit mon image de noble français rivalité.

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Socialiste!

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All poor choices, albeit Stalin may have warranted making it three years in a row from 1943 to 1945.

In that context, yes, I can see that.
post #98 of 269
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

*yawn*

Seen it all before.

http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2009/...ion-benchmark/

http://palm.pdablast.com/articles/20...-Ranks-in.html

It's all fun and games until the next iPhone. Then it's back to the drawing board for everyone else.

yawn

yawn

yea me too
iphone is untouchable
no pun intended

peace

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TIMEe needs too sell mag s'
so they will pander to the lowest form of yellow journalism
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post #99 of 269
I would like to see the decision makers' bank records, please.
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Vous avez complètement détruit mon image de noble français rivalité.
"Communiste!"
Socialiste!
"Non, Communiste!"
Socialiste!
Assez! Nous sommes des réformateurs!


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post #101 of 269
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All poor choices, albeit Stalin may have warranted making it three years in a row from 1943 to 1945.

wow


TIME sucks
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post #102 of 269
This will only motivate Apple to work harder and add the feature we're looking for. My hope is it'll make them dig deep on creating a new form factor.
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Mauvaise pioche. D'habitude on respecte les rivaux politiques. C'est pas comme chez nos amis américains.

Hehe, I was totally thinking of that dinner-table scene from Apocalypse Now. Loved it!

N'étant pas américain, je suis soulagé en ce sens. En fait, ici au Canada, nous sommes accusés d'avoir *trop* respect pour nos adversaires politiques. Mais au moins nos Québécois frères et soeurs animent choses un peu!
post #104 of 269
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And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.

Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.

It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.

The Bush Treasury had to take control and fire the CEO's of both Freddie and Fannie, after repeatably warning the out of control new Congress about their "Socializing the risks and privatizing the profits" - Alan Greenspan to Congress, concerning the two GSE's. It's this stopping of their socialist "everyone has a right to own a house" ideals is the reason they blamed the Bush administration for the near worldwide economic collapse, when it really was their fault of irresponsible mandatory lending to the GSE's and banks under the Community Reinvestment Act revisions made by socialist Bill Clinton.


In a real estate bubble, it's speculative, a game of musical chairs, the last owning the property loses.

It's a game not for the working, struggling or the poor. But the Democratic controlled Congress made it so.

Conservative banks are doing fine today. The banks that managed to dump their toxic sub-prime mortgages before the bubble blew are also doing ok. Everyone who prepared for the downside are doing ok today.

Everyone who has taken even a entry level economics course in high school know what a post real estate bubble recession is. What made this one so much worse was the sub-prime.

Rich people usually only gamble with what they have extra, not their only house.

Where did the first and most banks fail than anywhere else? California.

Where the sub-prime lending mess started? California.

Where is the "home" of the liberal media empire? California.

Read Charles Gasperino's book: The Sellout. Explains who is responsible for making this mess worse than it is.

First of all, Time Magazine's Man of the Year is not selected on the basis of the accomplishments of the person selected, but rather on the headlines this person made throughout the year. Hitler made the headline because of, well; we know WWII's history. Stalin, again because he managed to successfully push back against Hitler and his army. As per GWB, a war criminal in his own right, he got the man of the year title because he miraculously managed to convince people to vote for him again.

Finally, you are partially correct about the housing market. However, the reason why the financial markets came to the brink of collapse is because of credit default swaps and other risky investments that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), a commission composed of five members, three of which are from the same party as the president (in this case, Republican Party) who are APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT with CONGRESS' CONSENT, failed to regulate Wall Street and their risky investments. As you can see, the Democratic controlled congress isn't solely responsible to blame.

The world isn't black and white and not everyone can make the subtle distinctions among the many shades of gray. This is an Apple News forum, not a political forum.

On that note, the only thing that Android has going for it, in my opinion, is the screen resolution; it definitely blows the iPhone out of the water. That said, I wouldn't give up my iPhone for an Droid.
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They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.

before the iphone i specifically remembering having to hang up on people to call them back from anything to getting directions and getting info off the web or even answering a yahoo im.

Most ppl have not learned the value of this feature, now that apple is promoting this feature ON the ATT network

Yesterday I had to prove to my roommate on BB on the Tmobile network that you can not do simultaneous data and voice, he thought and swore he had before. But first I called him while he surfed and it went to straight to voicemail....then he called me and tried to surf and DENIED!....

Once this become wildly known, this will destroy verizon's superior claim on their inferior old technology network with a phone only designed to use in North America. Great long term strategy Motorola...
post #106 of 269
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Originally Posted by Asherian View Post

Again, you guys should read the actual article. They didn't say the Droid was better or a bigger success.

As for propaganda rag, that's precisely what this site is. Not Time. Suggest you strongly, strongly analyze what is going on here.

For instance, the article here focuses on the 100,000 figure from the initial weekend sales (which is the low end estimate). The Droid actually sold 700,000-800,000 in November, which is a very, very high number for a new phone.


This is the most blatantly propagandist site I have seen, every article is hopelessly skewed towards Apple, followed by loads of people dismissing products they haven't any real experience of. 100,000 in the first weekend, IN THE STATES ALONE. The 3GS was released worldwide. Just an example but you could pick any article on here.

I also agree with a previous (non-blinkered) poster. I bought a 3GS and realised that other than a bit more speed i had just been sold the same phone. For 3 years in a row. Game changer? I don't where Apple go here, they have been caught and surpassed. I don't use my phone as an ipod, so as a mail client/personal organiser and multi tasking device the iphone does not hit the mark. Apple have had three cracks at it and what have they delivered that is new in the last one? Two functions that were in every other phone on the planet.
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First of all, Time Magazine's Man of the Year is not selected on the basis of the accomplishments of the person selected, but rather on the headlines this person made throughout the year. Hitler made the headline because of, well; we know WWII's history. Stalin, again because he managed to successfully push back against Hitler and his army. As per GWB, a war criminal in his own right, he got the man of the year title because he miraculously managed to convince people to vote for him again.

Finally, you are partially correct about the housing market. However, the reason why the financial markets came to the brink of collapse is because of credit default swaps and other risky investments that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), a commission composed of five members, three of which are from the same party as the president (in this case, Republican Party) who are APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT with CONGRESS' CONSENT, failed to regulate Wall Street and their risky investments. As you can see, the Democratic controlled congress isn't solely responsible to blame.

The world isn't black and white and not everyone can make the subtle distinctions among the many shades of gray. This is an Apple News forum, not a political forum.

On that note, the only thing that Android has going for it, in my opinion, is the screen resolution; it definitely blows the iPhone out of the water. That said, I wouldn't give up my iPhone for an Droid.

A sensible post.
post #108 of 269
Tongue in cheek comment (I think) ... Probably means Time Inc. have a deal with Google to use the up coming Google Tablet Software (for any manufacturer of a cheap tablet) for their digital magazine .... of course Google will have to wait for the Apple tablet before, cough cough 'designing their own'
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post #109 of 269
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This is the most blatantly propagandist site I have seen, every article is hopelessly skewed towards Apple,

Apple makes it very easy, I'm afraid. Yes, they're just that good. And we revel in it. It's best to just join in the fun.
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Originally Posted by Asherian View Post

Have you played with one? I'm a mobile app developer and I make versions of my app for iPhone, Android, WebOS, and Blackberry and I play with all of the phones.

The Droid feels great in the hand. Its "horrible" outer shell feels far more durable and "industrial" than the iPhone, its harder edges really reinforce that solid feeling. The phone is remarkably thin for one with a physical keyboard, which is a very nice addition. It's the first phone with Android 2.0 support, which includes Google's turn-by-turn GPS out of the box and other goodies. It's got a completely wide-open app market without Apple's inconsistent and arbitrary and lengthy app review process.

There's a lot to love about the Droid, and certainly a lot of "new" things that could invigorate the market. Apple missed the boat by not even tweaking the appearance of the iPhone 3GS this year, so as a result it feels somewhat stale in the eyes of many even though it's better than ever. While the iPhone 3GS is an incremental improvement over the iPhone 3G, Motorola Droid is an all-new phone that's actually the best non-iPhone out there. It intentionally takes design and aesthetics away from the direction Apple is taking. While for many here, you'll call it heresy but there's a lot of reasonable people in this world that would think otherwise...

I'm sure most of you here won't "buy" this. And that's fine, I won't waste my breath on it anymore. Just know there are other phones out there than the iPhone, and some of them feel very fresh in contrast to the iPhone's slight tweak in 2009. The ranking makes perfect sense, even if it makes some people cry. It is NOT saying the Droid is "better" than the iPhone. The people who think that clearly don't understand such lists, which focus on game changers or refreshing ideas or innovation. Stop pretending like it's some CNET review piece or something.

An excellent post, unfortunately over the heads of most of the knee-jerk don't-say-anything-that could-be-construed-as-negative-'bout-my-precious- iphone-apple-jobs..."
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

Most users *couldn't* care less because they've never tried it. I can't stand having phone calls on EDGE because of that now.

Ten years ago most users *couldn't* care less about text because they could just call the person.

Thank you, you beat me to it. It is hard to take seriously anyone saying 'could care less' meaning the opposite lol.
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post #112 of 269
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Yeah grabbing a quote from 1943 in regard to technology. That sounds about right for you.


Well, bashing Apple sounds about right for you.
post #113 of 269
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.

And there is a ton of stuff that can be added to the Droid?

The thing with Android is that there is no hardware standard. Its a hodge podge. Shit, some older phones won't run Android 2.0.

LOL!
post #114 of 269
One thing I can say is that if you don't use AT&T, and refuse to, you have limited choices. Right now, Droid seems to be the best of those limited choices. I have friends that have been asking me about getting an iPhone or Droid and some of them simply say they can't stand AT&T, so they get the Droid. What can you say? Apple needs to do multiple carriers. As long as the top carrier has a viable alternative like Droid, it's only going to get stronger in the market. Apple needs a deal with Verizon.
post #115 of 269
I agree with others: The Droid was ranked over the iPhone because the Droid is new and not necessarily better.

As for AT&T: This says it all: http://gizmodo.com/5422497/att-ceo-a...rge-more-money
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In a sense I don’t disagree with Time choosing Droid over the iPhone, simply because the Droid is new and the iPhone (as a product line) is not. iPhone may be superior but in a sense it’s not a 2009 product and thus out of the running.

But I certainly wouldn’t say “best of all” in reference to Verizon’s inability to talk AND use the Internet at once. That is NOT “best of breed” 3G.

By the way, I have a good friend with a Droid. The verdict: awesome screen, voice-directed GPS is great, slow and confusing UI, terrible battery life, poor camera, poor browser (no pinch zoom) and bulky. It’s still pretty cool as a toy (and a fine GPS), but I don’t think I could stomach $30 a month for a data plan and not have a better experience than that.
post #117 of 269
Ahh, this is why I rarely check out these forums. Pages and pages of whining whenever anyone chooses any product other than an Apple one for a "best" list.
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

...Apple needs to do multiple carriers. As long as the top carrier has a viable alternative like Droid, it's only going to get stronger in the market. Apple needs a deal with Verizon.

I agree that Apple needs to do multiple carriers, but with the bad blood between Verizon and AT&T (and Apple to a lesser extent), it doesn't look promising for a Verizon iPhone next year. Of course, I could be wrong and Apple may surprise all of us next summer.
post #119 of 269
This is not a surprise. Ignoring the fact that Time Magazine is not a great source for judgment on new technology, this is looking at this year in particular. Thus, this would be judging iPhone 3GS innovation vs. iPhone 3G, not on a necessarily level playing field. So yes, Droid probably is more Innovative in its own right (especially seeing how it's on Verizon) than the iPhone is compared to previous iPhones, even if this is purely because nobody has been able to come out with a solution even remotely competitive with the iPhone. I would still never even consider a Droid, but some people are, so to each his own.
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Wow is that a list up for the highest bidder!
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