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Apple's purchase of music streaming service Lala signals a fundamental change in the way that the company will present iTunes content on the web.

Apple is poised to totally change its iTunes business model with a increased focus on Internet-based content, reports the Wall Street Journal in an article appearing in Thursday's edition. Using newly acquired La La Media Inc. as a springboard, Apple is considering to adopt a usage model that would allow consumers to access and manage their iTunes purchases directly through the Internet without downloading the content in question or the iTunes software.

In its current form, iTunes requires users to download and manage their iTunes purchases on a per-computer basis. With a new focus on Internet-based management, an iTunes user could log into their account and access and stream all their music from any computer with an Internet connection. This technology could also allow Apple to sell music on other websites or even in web-based search results.

Apple has already made some small strides into web-based iTunes functionality with the release of iTunes Preview in November. With iTunes Preview, users can share music links via iTunes without the need to launch Apple's media suite. Previously, users without iTunes were prompted to install the software in order to view content.

The Wall Street Journal's figure of $85 million for Lala's purchase price is in the same ballpark of what Peter Kafka at AllThingsDigital reported Monday. The report also confirms what Maynard Um predicted about Apple's reasons for aquiring Lala earlier this week.

Lala execs have already assumed important roles in shaping Apple's iTunes strategy going forward. "It's our understanding that the Lala guys are going to be in very significant roles," someone familiar with Apple's plans reportedly said.

Apple's $1 billion server farm project planned for North Carolina may actually be tied to this web-based strategy, and could provide the backbone for a web-based iTunes.

According to the Journal, Apple could begin to make these changes as early as next year.
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Obviously, Apple bought LaLa as part of an iTunes development strategy.
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Hmm, that's what the new server farm is for.
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Looking forward to start spending more money buying stuff from iTunes..
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Obviously, Apple bought LaLa as part of an iTunes development strategy.

Probably. There's a small chance they just bought them to kill a competitor, or to prevent someone else from getting them.
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This eliminates the storage capacity issue for Apple's flash-based handheld devices including the new tablet.

Only 16/32GB of local storage? No problem. Just stream whatever you want from the server farm.
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Hmmm...with all this streaming of content will we see an ultra thin 4 th gen iPhone. iPhone Air anyone?
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post #8 of 35
Could this allow people to manage their iPhone/iPod touch/iPad content without absolutely having to own or access a computer also?

Could that broaden out Apple's addressed market?
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Apple will not "fundamentally change" the iTunes model. People like to buy stuff and OWN it. Having it sitting in a cloud is something for techies, but not the Everyday-Coldplay-Purchaser. I'd see such a "cloud-iTunes" as an extra feature, but not such a drastic change for EVERY iTunes user.

btw.... I still have funny pictures in my head when reading "lala execs" or "lala guys"

;-)
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Apple will not "fundamentally change" the iTunes model. People like to buy stuff and OWN it. Having it sitting in a cloud is something for techies, but not the Everyday-Coldplay-Purchaser. I'd see such a "cloud-iTunes" as an extra feature, but not such a drastic change for EVERY iTunes user.

btw.... I still have funny pictures in my head when reading "lala execs" or "lala guys"

;-)

That sounds about right. My guess is that Apple will allow people to fully stream songs that they already bought, instead of only allowing a 30 second preview. Additionally they might release some new site where people can access their "virtual library" which contains the same media as on their computers, but can be accessed from anywhere. How exciting is that?
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Apple will not "fundamentally change" the iTunes model. People like to buy stuff and OWN it. Having it sitting in a cloud is something for techies, but not the Everyday-Coldplay-Purchaser.

Thats nonsense, it's a simple culture shift, infact the cloud way of listening to music simplifies things for your average drone to comprehend.
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Apple would never move to a completely cloud-based system, simply because you can't count on an always-on connection...like on a plane, on a boat, when out hiking, when overseas, etc.

Plus, AT&T is already having data connectivity issues; they wouldn't want to go exclusively to that for music streaming. (Even if Apple switches to another carrier, they still wouldn't want all users to be streaming all music.)

I have the LaLa iPhone app and it works well for the most part, although it dropped out several times when driving thru Louisiana and Mississippi recently. I wouldn't want to rely on it for all my music needs.

Finally, the streamed music is compressed more than the already-compressed source file, and there's a definite fidelity loss. This will not impress audiophiles, some of whom want a nearly uncompressed audio file on their iPods.
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This eliminates the storage capacity issue for Apple's flash-based handheld devices including the new tablet.

Only 16/32GB of local storage? No problem. Just stream whatever you want from the server farm.

I don't think this is a streaming music play at all, that's just conjecture on the part of the writers. I think they're buying LaLa in order to move the iTunes Store out of the iTunes application, and offer a platform-independant web-based front end. Suddenly Linux becomes a useful platform for media, which I think plays to Apple's advantage.

The model could remain completely identical to the current system - you buy/rent content in your account - but the technology for delivering it changes. That technology change would allow iTunes Store to be used by anyone, anywhere.

Seems like a good idea to me. The iPod already has the market locked up so there's no need for hardware tie-ins any more. The halo effect clearly shows that people understand that Apple is a premium product, so although they can get content on some other box, the customer will also understand that the best box comes from Apple. I see no downside for their sales.

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Obviously, Apple bought LaLa as part of an  iTunes development strategy.

yes

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Hmm, that's what the new server  farm is for.

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Looking forward to start spending more money buying stuff from  iTunes..

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Hmmm...with all this streaming of content will we see an ultra thin 4 th gen iPhone. iPhone Air anyone?

yesyesyes !!! a  nano phone AIR wristwatch streaming video phone type cloud based tele phone deal is now possible ..
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Thats nonsense, it's a simple culture shift, infact the cloud way of listening to music simplifies things for your average drone to comprehend.

EXCUSE ME SIR

but no

these moves add to an ever growing  APPLE WORLD TAKE OVER .


THE SERVER FARMS <<2 are built on each site >>and  apple will built at least 7 more secret ultra green farms over the next 8 yrs /. in 3 continents .
 ITUNES STREAMING CLOUD is the game changer

dear mr monster dude before >>> when switching itunes content that we bought or owned already from mac's or devices we own >>> we lose songs or we lose the right to play songs or media is tied to different emails addresses or different itunes accounts even thou all of it is owned by YOU .
fing hassle dude


so  apple will now store your whole library under one name in one place in one deep space 9 based CLOUD

AND mr scary dude thats just one of dozens of things the FARMS s and streaming LALA'S will offer .
APPLE WILL not ever be tied down to any one carrier again .





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post #15 of 35
I'd seen one article saying that Apple only paid $17 million for Lala. Anyway, I would think that Apple will use Lala's technology or expertise to help them do streaming from their future data center. Give individuals a certain amount of free storage so they can stream their own music or video to their mobile devices. I sure hope Apple comes up with some idea to keep selling their hardware now that overall iPod sales are slowing. \
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Hmm, that's what the new server farm is for.

That and movies, games and maybe even apps and associated data too perhaps?
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btw.... I still have funny pictures in my head when reading "lala execs" or "lala guys"

;-)

... and I assume they all live in Lala Land ROFL
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I think a "refresh" of Apple's iTunes being more web friendly would be a nice addition. Having the ability to stream from any portable or desktop device would likely be a nice additional feature.
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Apple will not "fundamentally change" the iTunes model. People like to buy stuff and OWN it. Having it sitting in a cloud is something for techies, but not the Everyday-Coldplay-Purchaser. I'd see such a "cloud-iTunes" as an extra feature, but not such a drastic change for EVERY iTunes user.

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Thats nonsense, it's a simple culture shift, infact the cloud way of listening to music simplifies things for your average drone to comprehend.


You guys might both be right but in reverse. The average person may like the cloud as their only method of listening to their music. Where as others (technies?) may prefer to have their music on the their computer and use the cloud as an extra feature.

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Hmm, that's what the new server farm is for.

And them some. My prediction is that Apple is aiming for the ability to run/serve/manage all aspects of iPhone owners' lives through Mobile Me. That means communication, music, credit card purchases, medical records, personal documents, library access, work, school, etc. Literally, your life on an iPhone.

Yes, some of these the iPhone can already do through dedicated apps or Safari, but that's still too cumbersome and Apple is all about streamlining, and simplifying the whole process so that for most people (i.e. non-techies) iPhone becomes the easy, obvious choice.

The human-device interface is where Apple outclasses everyone. Everyone. And by lightyears. Android, and WebOS, and WinMo 7, and everyone else won't even know what hit them when iCloud is fully deployed. No one will have Apple's ease of use and no one will have an ecosystem that is as vast and comprehensive.

Hang on to your AAPL. You're going to be scaling Mt. Everest with it.
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I think they're buying LaLa in order to move the iTunes Store out of the iTunes application, and offer a platform-independant web-based front end. Suddenly Linux becomes a useful platform for media, which I think plays to Apple's advantage.

Good observation. The era of MS-Windows everywhere is quickly coming to a close. There's Linux, as you noted, Chrome OS, Android, etc. Rather than have to create monolithic applications for all these OS's Apple can just develop for the web.

HTML 5 is going to make it easier and easier to make cloud-based apps that look and feel like desktop apps. In a few years the number of portable/mobile web-savvy devices is going to far exceed the number of traditional PCs. Apple may just be getting ready for this new world.
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So what is the name of the app? Searched for 'Lala" on itunes and the iPhone and got nothing on the app.

Appreciate the help!
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Thats nonsense, it's a simple culture shift, infact the cloud way of listening to music simplifies things for your average drone to comprehend.

Not quite. 65% of music sold is still on CDs. This will be an extra, not a total shift.

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Apple would never move to a completely cloud-based system, simply because you can't count on an always-on connection...like on a plane, on a boat, when out hiking, when overseas, etc.

Plus, AT&T is already having data connectivity issues; they wouldn't want to go exclusively to that for music streaming. (Even if Apple switches to another carrier, they still wouldn't want all users to be streaming all music.)

I have the LaLa iPhone app and it works well for the most part, although it dropped out several times when driving thru Louisiana and Mississippi recently. I wouldn't want to rely on it for all my music needs.

Finally, the streamed music is compressed more than the already-compressed source file, and there's a definite fidelity loss. This will not impress audiophiles, some of whom want a nearly uncompressed audio file on their iPods.

Exactly.
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That sounds about right. My guess is that Apple will allow people to fully stream songs that they already bought, instead of only allowing a 30 second preview. Additionally they might release some new site where people can access their "virtual library" which contains the same media as on their computers, but can be accessed from anywhere. How exciting is that?

It will only contain purchased music.
It will also solve the problem of backing up iTunes purchases and migration to a new iPod or iPhone.
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What is the name of the Lala app? Is it on itunes now?
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...My prediction is that Apple is aiming for the ability to run/serve/manage all aspects of iPhone owners' lives through Mobile Me. That means communication, music, credit card purchases, medical records, personal documents, library access, work, school, etc...

Hey, wouldn't it be funny if Apple became the very thing they claimed not to be in their "1984" commercial.
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Hey, wouldn't it be funny if Apple became the very thing they claimed not to be in their "1984" commercial.

The whole point of a revolution, a "New Order", is to replace the old one. With something better of course.

The dangers are obvious, as we know. Illustrated beautifully by George Orwell in Animal Farm.
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The whole point of a revolution, a "New Order", is to replace the old one. With something better of course.

The dangers are obvious, as we know. Illustrated beautifully by George Orwell in Animal Farm.

For me, I like my music right where it is, sitting on the hard drive in my iMac. I personally don't find moving it to a cloud revolutionary.
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Thats nonsense, it's a simple culture shift, infact the cloud way of listening to music simplifies things for your average drone to comprehend.

too bad the geniuses haven't figured out a way to let the cloud penetrate the NYC subway in this high tech town here. gotta love the 32GB storage in my iphone for those times as well as the ones when there are a million people around me hogging up the cell towers in the middle of the day and slacker/pandora cut out on me
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Apple are going to open iTunes.com in 2010, an online version of iTunes while the rewrite Bloatunes.app
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For me, I like my music right where it is, sitting on the hard drive in my iMac. I personally don't find moving it to a cloud revolutionary.

Hard drive and cloud...
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Hard drive and cloud...

The ideal combination. iDisk on steroids, thank you.
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And them some. My prediction is that Apple is aiming for the ability to run/serve/manage all aspects of iPhone owners' lives through Mobile Me. That means communication, music, credit card purchases, medical records, personal documents, library access, work, school, etc. Literally, your life on an iPhone.

So iLife eh?
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And them some. My prediction is that Apple is aiming for the ability to run/serve/manage all aspects of iPhone owners' lives through Mobile Me. That means communication, music, credit card purchases, medical records, personal documents, library access, work, school, etc. Literally, your life on an iPhone.

Yes, some of these the iPhone can already do through dedicated apps or Safari, but that's still too cumbersome and Apple is all about streamlining, and simplifying the whole process so that for most people (i.e. non-techies) iPhone becomes the easy, obvious choice.

The human-device interface is where Apple outclasses everyone. Everyone. And by lightyears. Android, and WebOS, and WinMo 7, and everyone else won't even know what hit them when iCloud is fully deployed. No one will have Apple's ease of use and no one will have an ecosystem that is as vast and comprehensive.

Hang on to your AAPL. You're going to be scaling Mt. Everest with it.

Personally, there is nothing wrong with the iTunes model. It is reliable, robust, it works and it is a natural feeder to the App Store model.

As such, I can think of one reason for Apple to iterate iTunes; simply as a feature to drive adoption of MobileMe.

In other words, if you want the best of experience as Apple designed it, use the native apps for iTunes, iPhoto and Mail.

If you want access anywhere, untethered from your iPhone, iPod Touch or Mac, access via MobileMe.

Apple is not a company that bolts stuff on just because there is some proof of demand. They build stuff that fits their strategic view of a 1+1=3.

As a sweetener to MobileMe, a streaming, Web-based option makes sense.

The subscription view (i.e., Apple offering a subscription based streaming service) COULD make sense, but that is orthogonal to the question of whether a web-based, streaming approach is right for Apple and iTunes.

Lala is the tail, and not the dog in this story, IMHO.
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