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Foxconn, Apple's Taiwanese iPhone manufacturer, has reportedly received an order to build the next-generation handset, likely to arrive in mid-2010.

Eldar Murtazin, editor in chief of Mobile Review, broke the news on his Twitter account Thursday in a brief, singular post: "Foxconn received order for next generation iphone." As noted by Engadget, Murtazin is the "ultimate insider" for news in the mobile phone world.

The timing makes sense, as Apple's first three iPhone product debuts hit a June launch. For Apple to ramp up the production of millions of handsets in time for a global debut would take a significant amount of time.

Despite there being some time yet until the next-generation iPhone debuts, there are plenty of rumors surrounding the anticipated device. In November, the first signs of a model "iPhone 3,1" was tracked by a developer in its software usage logs, suggesting Apple was testing a new handset.

Apple has indicated it intends to overhaul its iPhone maps application with in-house developers. The company's purchase of worldwide mapping company Placebase over the summer would likely play a part in any new features.

Reports have also said Apple is testing RFID swipe support in next-generation iPhone prototypes. Such technology would allow the phone to sense embedded chips without making direct contact. The feature could allow swipe payments with the phone at checkout at a store, or obtaining information from kiosks.

Apple is also expected to build its own proprietary iPhone chips based off of ARM's A9 reference designs, thanks to the $278 million purchase of chip designer PA Semi in 2008. The new iPhone could have multi-core ARM chips powering it.

And there's also the question of a Verizon-capable CDMA iPhone. Conflicting reports have differed on the possibility of a dual-mode CDMA and GSM world phone debuting in 2010, though Verizon and chipset maker Qualcomm are said to have been in talks. And Wall Street analyst are also divided on the subject, with just as many arguing for a possible deal as those against.
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" thanks to the $278 purchase of chip designer PA Semi in 2008"
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damn no wonder i lost my bid....i only offered $274.95.

Maybe next time.
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RFID support should be awesome
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RFID support should be awesome

I'm not nearly as tech-oriented as a lot of you guys here, so I simply don't understand this. I mean, I know what RFID is, but can someone explain how this would be useful for most users out there?
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I'm not nearly as tech-oriented as a lot of you guys here, so I simply don't understand this. I mean, I know what RFID is, but can someone explain how this would be useful for most users out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-f...identification


Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is the use of an object (typically referred to as an RFID tag) applied to or incorporated into a product, animal, or person for the purpose of identification and tracking using radio waves. Some tags can be read from several meters away and beyond the line of sight of the reader.
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RFID is evil
If next iPhone has RFID I'm not buying unless there is a software option to disable it and can be proven to do so.

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... Apple is also expected to build its own proprietary iPhone chips based off of ARM's A9 reference designs, thanks to the $278 million purchase of chip designer PA Semi in 2008. ...

Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem like the next iPhone will be just another 3Gs, or 3Gs plus or something rather than the revolutionary redesign many have hoped for. As someone who's been holding on the the crappy 3G phone instead of upgrading to 3Gs, I was really hoping for something great with the next one instead of just another slight improvement over previous models. I think the public in general really needs to be wowed again.
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

RFID is evil
If next iPhone has RFID I'm not buying unless there is a software option to disable it and can be proven to do so.

care to share why? or are you too paranoid to disclose your reasons?
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

RFID is evil
If next iPhone has RFID I'm not buying unless there is a software option to disable it and can be proven to do so.

I hate to tell you this, but "they" can already track you via your mobile phone already

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem....., I was really hoping for something great with the next one instead of just another slight improvement over previous models. I think the public in general really needs to be wowed again.

Spoken like a true MS troll. I am sure that the next get iPhone will have great new features, but the WOW is still there. I just upgraded to a 3Gs from a 3G. Nice improvements but its the software that makes it WOW.

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem like the next iPhone will be just another 3Gs, or 3Gs plus or something rather than the revolutionary redesign many have hoped for. As someone who's been holding on the the crappy 3G phone instead of upgrading to 3Gs, I was really hoping for something great with the next one instead of just another slight improvement over previous models. I think the public in general really needs to be wowed again.

I understand...I held onto my original iPhone right through until the 3Gs came out. And it was tough to do. Now I have my 3Gs and just love it.

When the new one comes out I will give my daughter my 3Gs and get the new one! Can't wait. Giving my 'still good' but not the best tech stuff to my daughter, iPods, iPhones, laptops and iMacs is the only way I can justify getting the latest and greatest!

My Dad did the same with me with his HiFi equipment. Anyone remember the first LED watch from Pulsar? I had one at 16 when my Dad 'had to have' the new model that was more rounded and sleek!
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Originally Posted by Stoobs View Post

I hate to tell you this, but "they" can already track you via your mobile phone already


Man, did you have to tell him that?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem like the next iPhone will be just another 3Gs, or 3Gs plus or something rather than the revolutionary redesign many have hoped for. As someone who's been holding on the the crappy 3G phone instead of upgrading to 3Gs, I was really hoping for something great with the next one instead of just another slight improvement over previous models. I think the public in general really needs to be wowed again.

i agree, many of us are hoping for

1- 5+ megapixel camera - HD video capability to record
2- flash for camera
3- swappable battery
4- slide out keyboard!!
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and non-ATT service those of us in usa.

also, as for manufacturing in Taiwan, its a great idea. at least it is democratic there and the workers are better labor with more income and rights.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem like the next iPhone will be just another 3Gs, or 3Gs plus or something rather than the revolutionary redesign many have hoped for. As someone who's been holding on the the crappy 3G phone instead of upgrading to 3Gs, I was really hoping for something great with the next one instead of just another slight improvement over previous models. I think the public in general really needs to be wowed again.


What design can Apple do to the iPhone that falls under your "revolutionary" hopes? Would you like to see a non candy bar form factor as in an Apple flip phone? A physical keyboard? The common plugs for removable battery, camera on front, flash for camera, OLED Screen, denser pixels, and so on.

It's easy to say I'm waiting for something great other than slight improvements and then not quantify what improvements you think need to be accomplished in order to call the next phone something other than a slight improvement over previous models...

Afterall, the MBP looks like the MBP of a few years ago except for the internals like unibody construction, increased processing power, larger hard drive and externals such as different color keys, a all in one glass trackpad, etc. I can't envision a laptop radically designed in such a way that makes someone say, "That's a laptop?"

What will Apple's redesign of the iPhone have to be to make you or someone else say, "That's an iPhone?"

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People are worrying about the future of the iPhone??



Chances are, Apple already has the game figured out for the next five years. Locked up. Done.

The only thing we should be worrying about is how to slither out of our carrier contracts in order to get our hands on Apple's latest and greatest.
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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

i agree, many of us are hoping for

1- 5+ megapixel camera - HD video capability to record
2- flash for camera
3- swappable battery
4- slide out keyboard!!
--------
and non-ATT service those of us in usa.

also, as for manufacturing in Taiwan, its a great idea. at least it is democratic there and the workers are better labor with more income and rights.

You'll be waiting for a long time. I don't think the iPhone will ever have a user swappable battery - the MacBooks is further evidence for this. The battery life is adequate at best and incorporating hinges et al would be detrimental.

Hopefully a better camera will come our way though. Serious photographs are best dealt with digicams though.
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You'll be waiting for a long time. I don't think the iPhone will ever have a user swappable battery - the MacBooks is further evidence for this. The battery life is adequate at best and incorporating hinges et al would be detrimental.

Hopefully a better camera will come our way though. Serious photographs are best dealt with digicams though.

Swappable battery? What is this, 2004? The iPhone's battery will outlast the length of time the individual will own the device. And there are already accessories to boost battery power should the person need it.
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I don't really care for swappable battery either. Plus I don't really think the world is ready for RFID in the phone. Its been around for a few years and only now a few parts of the world are using it for contactless payment etc. Also if it was used to store any $ value, or served as confirmation for airline boarding or whatever there would probably need to be a lot more behind the scenes work for it to develop security software/accounts etc. That said, payment systems could do with some innovation, and the modded iPods Apple use in store are a pointer for what's interesting for business (if not individuals yet).

All I really want is a more dynamic and freshened up interface with notifications on it, so when I get back to my desk I can tell it has a message or activity without having to make the full screen live all the time.
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You'll be waiting for a long time. I don't think the iPhone will ever have a user swappable battery - the MacBooks is further evidence for this. The battery life is adequate at best and incorporating hinges et al would be detrimental.

Hopefully a better camera will come our way though. Serious photographs are best dealt with digicams though.

your right, apple doesn't listen to many customers and likes to keep its accessories business the same. each year. Not that i don't love the products, but they make baby steps and think mainly that software is the best "upgrade" and hardware in the iphone is just something they can continue to do incremental advancements in. which helps the profit margins.
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your right, apple doesn't listen to many customers

Yet they keep coming back for more.

True, Apple doesn't listen to customers. Apple shows customers what they want before customers even know it.

And they're right.
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

RFID is evil
If next iPhone has RFID I'm not buying unless there is a software option to disable it and can be proven to do so.

I believe that the proposed RFID support is for the iPhone to add the ability to read RFID chips that are embedded in other objects - not to embed and RFID chip in the phone so that others can obtain its data. That way the iPhone can easily be used as a portable terminal used by merchants to process purchases from customers who have RFID chips in their credit cards, as one example. Does that sound correct?
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I'm not nearly as tech-oriented as a lot of you guys here, so I simply don't understand this. I mean, I know what RFID is, but can someone explain how this would be useful for most users out there?

RFID can be used for Near Field Communications, particularly in a contactless setting (i.e., no touching a germy keypad).

Japan has been using a NFC contactless mobile phone payment system for about five years. The Japanese refer to these RFID-enabled phones as "Osaifu-keitai" (literally "wallet phone"). It originated from a RFID-enabled smart card, which then migrated over to cellphones.

They are using it for contactless payment (you wave your cellphone over a sensor): debit/credit card (to buy stuff like groceries), event tickets, public transit passes, loyalty/club cards, airline boarding passes, etc.

The United States is woefully behind the times in terms of using your cellphone as electronic money. Even in Europe, you can pay the parking meter with your cellphone.
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

RFID is evil
If next iPhone has RFID I'm not buying unless there is a software option to disable it and can be proven to do so.

Unless you know something I don't, there would only be an issue if the iPhone itself had an embedded RFID chip; the ability to read another RFID has no negative impact that I can think of.

But I'm not sure I see the practical use. RFIDs don't identify a SKU (like the EAN barcode on a book or a UPC on other products), they identify that particular copy of the SKU. So if you want to know where a particular size 6 blue shirt is in the warehouse, it's useful. Beyond that, I'm not sure of practical applications.

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Swappable battery? What is this, 2004? The iPhone's battery will outlast the length of time the individual will own the device.

I'm not so sure that's accurate. In both my late 2008 MBP and in my 3G phone, I can already see battery life declining. Not everyone replaces all their equipment every two years. I kept a Mac tower for 7 years (although obviously, it didn't use a battery for power.) On the other hand, I did buy one of those accessory external batteries for the iPhone and I've only had to use it on a few occassions, but I don't currently use the phone much for activities that drain the battery rapidly.

I would feel a lot more comfortable if the battery was user removable. A seam in the case to support this or a battery that ejects from the phone like a SIM card would have more benefits than negatives. I think Apple is being unduly stubborn on this issue, although I can understand that in the case of the MBP, the "permanent" battery is much larger than the old removable battery. If this is the approach that Apple wants to take, then I think they need to have special stations in the retail stores where one can bring the machine and obtain immediate battery replacements without appointments. But even that only helps people who have close access to an Apple retail store. Luckily, I have the last MBP that has a removable battery.
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RFID can be used for Near Field Communications, particularly in a contactless setting (i.e., no touching a germy keypad).

Japan has been using a NFC contactless mobile phone payment system for about five years. The Japanese refer to these RFID-enabled phones as "Osaifu-keitai" (literally "wallet phone"). It originated from a RFID-enabled smart card, which then migrated over to cellphones.

They are using it for contactless payment (you wave your cellphone over a sensor): debit/credit card (to buy stuff like groceries), event tickets, public transit passes, loyalty/club cards, airline boarding passes, etc.

The United States is woefully behind the times in terms of using your cellphone as electronic money. Even in Europe, you can pay the parking meter with your cellphone.

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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

RFID can be used for Near Field Communications, particularly in a contactless setting (i.e., no touching a germy keypad).

Japan has been using a NFC contactless mobile phone payment system for about five years. The Japanese refer to these RFID-enabled phones as "Osaifu-keitai" (literally "wallet phone"). It originated from a RFID-enabled smart card, which then migrated over to cellphones.

They are using it for contactless payment (you wave your cellphone over a sensor): debit/credit card (to buy stuff like groceries), event tickets, public transit passes, loyalty/club cards, airline boarding passes, etc.

The United States is woefully behind the times in terms of using your cellphone as electronic money. Even in Europe, you can pay the parking meter with your cellphone.


in NYC i can pay for a lot of parking meters with my credit card which i trust a lot more than paying with my cell phone since they already cracked the new RFID enabled passports

i prefer the old style coin meters because a lot of times someone will leave and there is time left. with the new high tech meters everyone has to pay.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-f...identification


Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is the use of an object (typically referred to as an RFID tag) applied to or incorporated into a product, animal, or person for the purpose of identification and tracking using radio waves. Some tags can be read from several meters away and beyond the line of sight of the reader.

He did say he knew what it was, his question was what's going to be the use of it? I have the same question and will add that it is fraught with security/financial implications if the intention is to be used like a payment vehicle. It's too easy for someone to capture your information from a distance with that type of device.
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4- slide out keyboard!!

A virtual keyboard is a game-changer. Its incredible that you don't get that.
But then, some phone makers still don't get it either.

I'am waiting on a pre-paid version of the iPhone with an (iChat) camera on the front and an HD movie/photo camera on the back. This (the front camera) will be the next game-changer.

J.
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Personally, I'm a bit worried that we have rumours of manufacturing and testing without any more rumours of PA Semi chips.

It's starting to seem like the next iPhone will be just another 3Gs, or 3Gs plus or something rather than the revolutionary redesign many have hoped for.

well what is there to need a redesign. the form factor can't really change much unless Apple recants and goes sidekick with a physical keyboard. LTE won't really be widespread enough to be of any use yet. so really more storage, faster processor and better batteries are the only major points they could do anything with.

I suspect that this is NOT the year for super phone changes. I think it will be the 3 tweaks and unlocking service for all GSM happy carriers. I suspect that nothing is going to be new and huge will be released in Feb/Mar despite rumors, but around then will be the announcement. of what? the tablet. ipod, ereader, netbook rolled into one. with a front facing camera for chatting, ability to use all those iphone/touch apps in new scaled up versions (no need to rebuy). wifi connections. built in unlocked dual cell chip so you can add the optional service to your current cell phone whether it is att, t-mobile or even the dreaded verizon. announce early spring, release with the mildly upgraded phone in june/july.

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i agree, many of us are hoping for

1- 5+ megapixel camera - HD video capability to record
2- flash for camera
3- swappable battery
4- slide out keyboard!!
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and non-ATT service those of us in usa.

also, as for manufacturing in Taiwan, its a great idea. at least it is democratic there and the workers are better labor with more income and rights.

Why wait, buy a Droid.
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Not that i don't love the products, but they make baby steps

the history of technology is filled with companies that tried to fly before they learned to crawl and they crashed and burned. either the prices were too high or the product was too buggy and took ages to fix anything much less all of it.

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I believe that the proposed RFID support is for the iPhone to add the ability to read RFID chips that are embedded in other objects - not to embed and RFID chip in the phone so that others can obtain its data. That way the iPhone can easily be used as a portable terminal used by merchants to process purchases from customers who have RFID chips in their credit cards, as one example. Does that sound correct?

in Japan it is common for cell phones to have RFID chips built in. Such chips are then used by credit card companies to identify a user at a check out counter.

As to why RFIDS are considered bad that is another issue all together. I suspect it is safe to say the problem is paranoid behaviour. Let's face it you can and are tracked by your cell phone now. Maybe somebody from the other side of the fence can offer up a better explanation, but right now I don't see a problem.

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Beyond that, I'm not sure of practical applications.

The practical applications are essentially anyplace you currently use your credit card. And there are already a ton of examples of similar payment systems in use all over the US. Do you have a swipe key fob to pay for your gas at the pump? Or to pay for your fast food? Maybe you have a device mounted on your car's windshield to pay your tolls without stopping (although admittedly not a good candidate for an iPhone-based chip).

Everyone wanted device convergence, and this is just another "device", your credit card, being merged into your cell phone.

Security is another matter. Not sure how they handle that in places (Japan, Europe) where they already have this capability.
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He did say he knew what it was, his question was what's going to be the use of it? I have the same question and will add that it is fraught with security/financial implications if the intention is to be used like a payment vehicle. It's too easy for someone to capture your information from a distance with that type of device.

As opposed to what? Credit cards, debit cards or cash. It isn't any harder than capuring somebodies PAiN and debit card numbers off of a compromised ATM. The reality is crooks will always find a way. What you seem to mis though is that this most likely won't be a simple RFID chip that sends back a serial number in the clear. First near field communications is used, which right there limits the ability to pick up data. Second it is likely that techniques would be used to validate the transaction.

The other problem here is that you will not get banks in the USA to buy in without significant security. Here the banks are on the hook for fraud so the will want security that is as good or better than current systems. It would be foolish to assume that the RFID would be sending back a identifier in the clear.

Dave
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I currently have the an iPhone 3G that is eligible for upgrade June 2010.

I do not want a removable battery or slide out keyboard. Yuck. I would like to see a better battery. An improved camera and I really want more storage. At least 64gb. I want to be able to put my entire music collection on my phone and retire my ipod.
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I'm hopeful the 3.1 model number indicates that this is a major rev to the iPhone. Hopefully not a compact model but a bigger smarter smart phone. I'm actually holding tight with the 3G I have in the hopes that this is a major rev.

To that end the following would be nice to see in the unit.
  1. A PA SEMI dual core processor. Dual core with respect to user programs.
  2. 512MB of RAM.
  3. Doubling of Flash storage across the models.
  4. Newer higher performance GPU. Ideally doubling graphics performance.
  5. That new GPU needs to support OpenCL.
  6. OpenCL means support for GCD which would work nice with dual cores.
  7. Actually enable "n" networking.
  8. The unit will come with an additional MECHANICAL push button. What I'm looking at here is a shutter release switch which the camera program needs dearly. Of all the things that the iPhone does poorly via the Touch screen the Touch screen as shutter release is the worst.
  9. Video support. As part of the camera it is important but first they need to work on stills quality. Especially low light.
  10. AM/FM and weather radios. It is a feature that really needs to coverge on Apples Touch devices. I'd extend that to shortwave as an option.
  11. TV reception. Not the mobile kind either but rather digital braodcast TV.
  12. Antenna input. Some of the above would work much better with such a feature.
  13. Multitasking for the user. More RAM and dual core ought to make that a snap.
  14. Voice command / dictation as part of the OS.
  15. Louder speakers / ring tones.
  16. Temperature and pressure transducers. So that local weather conditions can be monitored.
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Swappable battery? What is this, 2004? The iPhone's battery will outlast the length of time the individual will own the device. And there are already accessories to boost battery power should the person need it.

it might outlast that, but it cant even outlast a day of usage... you shouldnt have to buy an added peripheral to boost abysmal battery life, either improve it or make it swappable.
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it might outlast that, but it cant even outlast a day of usage... you shouldnt have to buy an added peripheral to boost abysmal battery life, either improve it or make it swappable.

No worse than any other phone that does what the iPhone does and is capable of. Deal with the iPhone on its own terms. Let's work with what we have *now*. Demand a better battery, yes, but leave the old swappable battery paradigm where it belongs: in the past.
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No worse than any other phone that does what the iPhone does and is capable of. Deal with the iPhone on its own terms. Let's work with what we have *now*. Demand a better battery, yes, but leave the old swappable battery paradigm where it belongs: in the past.

Unless you know of some real breakthrough advancements in the battery industry that i dont know of, the only way currently is through better chips/programming and a beefier battery. The option should ALWAYS be there for a hotswappable battery, cell phones demand you to be mobile, if you need to be tethered with a power cord constantly then some serious improvements need to come out or just do the obvious, make them swappable.

Besides, swapping batteries is not that archaic like you would make it seem lol.
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As opposed to what? Credit cards, debit cards or cash. It isn't any harder than capuring somebodies PAiN and debit card numbers off of a compromised ATM. The reality is crooks will always find a way. What you seem to mis though is that this most likely won't be a simple RFID chip that sends back a serial number in the clear. First near field communications is used, which right there limits the ability to pick up data. Second it is likely that techniques would be used to validate the transaction.

The other problem here is that you will not get banks in the USA to buy in without significant security. Here the banks are on the hook for fraud so the will want security that is as good or better than current systems. It would be foolish to assume that the RFID would be sending back a identifier in the clear.

Dave

A compromised ATM is much more difficult to attain than a snooper listen on the 2.5GHz RFID frequency at a gas station or some other area of frequent use. Besides that, it's not like there is support all over the place for this type of payment system. I still don't trust that type of payment system at this point.
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