Apple files countersuit against Nokia - Page 7

Originally Posted by solipsism

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Originally Posted by brucep

blinding logic

peace

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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Wow, what an ASSumption. Being in Finland does not make me a Finn. I just happen to work here at the moment. Whether or not Nokia is the largest, smallest, middle, infinitesimal company in the world is of no consequence to me. They could fold tomorrow and it would not affect me one bit. In short, I do not care. There you go, I saved you the surprise. Can't help you about the ASS.

Which comes as no surprise. And the Finn thing was a jibe anyway - there are few, if any Finns I know that practice the repetitive level of post-adolescent rudeness and general snark that you have posted. That lack of caring about a national company of the size of Nokia sitting next to you where you work is a level ignorance and apathy that is congruent with your overall lack of knowledge.

By the way I do not speak Finnish and could not be bothered to use Google Translate, but I cordially invite you to: Foxtrot, Oscar, Echo, Sierra, Alpha, Delta. From me to you, up close and personal.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Zzzzzzzz..... Sorry. Didn't mean to doze off.... Didn't see anything of interest here. Still waiting though. I'm sure you have it in you to deliver something of value. You just have to believe. I believe in you.

Originally Posted by jfanning

I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.

Originally Posted by jfanning

What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia

Originally Posted by jfanning

I'm not, I asked if the experience he/she was getting from their current phone was twice that of a phone priced half as much. I haven't mentioned a brand there, it was the other user that stated they had an iPhone.

I know for a fact if I was going to purchase an iPhone today, it would cost 4 times what my current phone cost, and the monthly charges would be 2-3 times as high as my current charges. Would I can that much benefit from the iPhone, no I wouldn't, but I am not saying that others will feel the same way.

Originally Posted by jfanning

You must be confusing me with someone else, I don't have a N97. Infact, just like the iPhone, I don't know anyone that has one.



Again, you seem to be confusing things, Nokia hasn't dumped Symbian for anything, they are using a different OS on one model yes, dumping no.



If they are dumping Symbian like you say, why are you cared. Also, WebKit is open source, so they don't need Apple for it at all.



Not sure what you are trying to say here at all.



Now, your lack of knowledge really comes out, Nokia handset division made a profit, quite a large one, it was NSN that made the loss. Also, they still sell some models of their phones in Japan.



Yes all the metrics changed to revenue because Apple doesn't make a dent in the share otherwise. As a consumer (ie I don't own shares in any company) Apples profits on their devices offends me, enough to make me really think what make of computer I will purchase next will be.



Again, your point? Apple has been copying for years, all companies do it.



I own more Apple products than Nokia products and that makes me a fanboy? For which side?

Originally Posted by hill60

I was sure you seemed to have a soft spot for Nokia.

Originally Posted by jfanning

So, I own a Nokia smartphone, I have owned several of them actually. And they have all cost less than the Mac Mini, 24" iMac, the two MacBooks, and several iPods I own. So can you please let me know what exactly your point is?

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

His point is: Apple can do no wrong ever even when they do. That is just changing the game, and innovation on Apple's part and everyone is simply jealous and picking on Apple for being such a winner. Don't you get it? If you purchase any other brand than an iPhone, you are immediately deemed a fanboy for not goose stepping to the Apple marching music. Also, you must take up residence in Steve Job's pants. Thinking different is not allowed.

This should clear it up for you.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

This should clear it up for you.

Originally Posted by addabox

I have a suggestion: find a forum where people that you respect are posting. Engage them in lively discussion on matters that interest you. Then, you won't come across as a desperately unhappy loser that takes whatever bitter pleasure you can by hanging out where people you loath are, just so you can endlessly repeat the same dimwitted sarcasm that was tired 15 years ago. Which apparently feeds some kind of sick need.

I promise you, you'll feel better. You really don't have to spend time fixated on the things you hate. You can spend time enjoying the things you like. Life is short. Go out and have some fun.

Originally Posted by jfanning

Cheers for that, I was getting confused.

He has said before that he works in a store that sells phones, he must have a real complex when someone wants to purchase a non Apple phone then...

Originally Posted by hill60

Nope, I'll give them whatever they want even the 18 different models of Nokia we currently stock.

You can even buy a Nokia smartphone (E63) and pay $A5 a Mb to use data on PAYG if you want, it's only $A199 (locked) and with network crap all over it.

Nokia's later marketing move seems to flood the market (well here anyway) with models and take up all of the display space.

Meanwhile iPhone's keep marching out the door, you can now get an 8GB free on a $A49 24 month plan.

The HTC Magic and the BB Storm languish, the only Storms we see nowadays are one's going off to repair because they are s%&t.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

One simple question:

Can an iPhone work without Nokia's technology? Survey says: NO !!!!!!!!!!!

Can any of Nokia's phones work without Apple's technology? Hell yes....

Suit dismissed. Suck on it Apple. You got caught and have to pay Nokia, but it will not come to that. An exchange of technology will happen and everyone will go their merry way. The only winners are the lawyers.

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Really. Ok all knowing global moderator. Enlighten us with your unsurpassed telecommunications knowledge.

1. Do Nokia phones need Apple invented/developed/designed technology to work? Simple yes or no will do. Key word being: NEED.

2. Does the iPhone need Nokia invented/developed/designed technology to work: Again, a simple yes or no answer will suffice. Once again, the key word being: NEED.

3. While you may want to pontificate and expound, the facts are pretty clear in the questions I asked. Maybe the simplicity of their very nature was lost on a high-brow person such as you.

Clock is ticking. Two answers on deck.

Originally Posted by Cranky

I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you

Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns

Beep, beep, beep = the sound of backing up. No matter. I'll play along.

The 10 patents that Nokia is suing for are real, "you need our technology to work" patents that Apple infringed upon. Many to most websites following this have gone on to point out that these are very specific patents that Apple cannot simply brush off. The Apple patents appear to be more dredged up and vague and an attempt to try and level the playing field. The bottom line that many Apple-istas hate to admit is that Apple is no better than any other company and they got caught with their hand in the patent infringement jar. Apple sues people for just suing an icon. This suit is the best thing that could have happened to them. Hopefully it breaks their arrogance.

Now if you will excuse me, I am going back to downloading apps for my iPhone.

Originally Posted by Cranky

I just wanted to clarify for everyone else so I translated it for you:
Älä nakata poron paskaa, poika. Se saa heitti takaisin sinulle
Do not toss reindeer shit, son. It may be cast back to you

Originally Posted by brucep

Sadly nokia is making so many crappy phones . dozens of models . The earth will have to absorb all this toxic pollution one day . Nokia was once a giant proud company , Now it just panders to the lowest of the low .
.The whole world is going green and Nokia is making throw away phones . Nokia is starting to feel like dell . RACING forever to the bottom of cheap products .


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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Exactly.

Originally Posted by jahonen

Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten or so).

Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufacturers even if only looking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).

BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is improving it in any way).

Regs, Jarkko

Originally Posted by hill60

It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.

Originally Posted by hill60

How long have Apple been running recycling programs?

http://www.apple.com/recycling/

Originally Posted by hill60

The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.

Originally Posted by hill60

How long have Apple been running recycling programs?

http://www.apple.com/recycling/

The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.

It can be argued that Greenpeace singled out Apple for publicity purposes.

The probable reason Nokia gained so many brownie points among the greenies, is that they no longer harvest forests for woodpulp.

Originally Posted by masternav

Seriously. All you can offer in this most weakest of defenses is FOESAD?? A tired and over-used diatribe. How silly and unimaginative of you. And certainly in no way "up close and personal" my over-amped arrested adolescent. It's like a two-year laying on the ground kicking and yelling - impressive in the amount of energy used but ultimately ineffectual.



And since you have demonstrated conclusively that you have no means of effectively evaluating real information, this is completely understandable and sad. Very, very sad. The combination of your complete inability to argue coherently, to recognize facts of the ground, or to present any sort of rational and sensible defense of your opinions, seems to indicate either impaired mental ability on the order of Asperger's, or worse some sort of sociopathic displacement or perhaps incoherent rage issues. The rather xenophobic dismissal of you current country of occupancy, its people, history, culture and economics generally support the state of mental disfunction.

For which then I completely and humbly apologize for engaging you in the manner I employed previously. My assumption of coherent rationality was a mistake and I see now that I needed to take a much gentler and more conciliatory approach which would not have so taxed your limited faculties. I withdraw immediately any and all further discussion with you in penitence for my error.

Originally Posted by jahonen

Otherwise a good jab, but you two chose the wrong horse (the environmental horse). Nokia has been the number 1 manufacturer in green and recyclable phones with the industry lead in actually recycling their phones after use (instead of just doing their bit during manufacturin). This has been the case for years (propably ten thoudsand or so).

Look it up if you don't believe it. At the same time Apple was ranked as one of the least Eco-friendly manufcaturers even if only loooking at manufacturing (which they have now rectified).

BTW how does this have anything to do with the actual thread? Aren't there any moderators here to try to keep the signal to noise ratio to a minimum? (not that this post is impriving it in any way).

Regs, Jarkko

Originally Posted by brucep

DEAR sapporobabyrtrns;

please re-read your own words dude. Your recent posts are painting you as an agitating TROLL .

dude you= are ACTING LIKE A HAPLESS nasty sarcastic little man . Why even bother coming here and insulting nice innocent people . people who have done no wrong to you . try when you post here to be nice and friendly .AGAIN YOU SEEM KINDA COOL SO PLEASE POST IN A NICE FRIENDLY MANNER WHEN YOU VISIT OUR HOME .

Your points are not clear so no one can address you correctly .And your english is very odd. YOU include single words here and there that mean nothing .

merry christmas dude I hope you can cool your jets and act in a mature way .

peace 9

go finland

Originally Posted by Cranky

Hey Brucep,

If memory serves me you and I may have traded barbs once or twice. However, I would like to say thanks for what you had to say in this post. It was very well put. I have a tendency at times, to be drawn it by others smartass remarks and end up resorting to making a series of my own smartass remarks in response. There is often a fine line between being a smartass and giving someone a much needed verbal reprimand like you just did with sapporobabyrtrns.

Originally Posted by jfanning

Is that an international programme?

Originally Posted by jfanning

How many cables does the iPhone ship with? The most any of my phones have come with are, a power cable, data cable, and headphones. And in the last few years that has reduced to just two, and the majority of phones only come with a power cable. Are you saying that Apple is shipping less than one cable?

Originally Posted by brucep

N O K I A has sold over 500 million phones this past decade !!
Exactly how many have been mailed back to finland ??
green my ass.

Originally Posted by hill60

Yes.

Originally Posted by hill60

The 5800 ships with a cable attached to the charger, a data cable, a TV out cable, and headphones, if you want to charge it from a USB port you have to buy an additional cable.

The N97 ships with a data cable, a cable attached to the charger, an adapter (3.5mm & 2.5mm to micro USB) to charge from older Nokia chargers and headphones, there was a bit of dismay when people realised the TV out cable included with N-series phones over the last few years was missing.

Originally Posted by hill60

The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.

Originally Posted by jfanning

And as we know, Nokia sells most phones, and most of their phones are not those two models, most of their phones only come with a charger.

Originally Posted by jfanning

I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.

Originally Posted by jfanning

What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia

Originally Posted by hill60

The iPhone has shipped with less cables than most other phone's in smaller boxes which means you can fit more in a container, ship, truck etc reducing the carbon footprint an idea Nokia copied with the black N79 eco model.

Originally Posted by hill60

Ah yes the pedantic jfanning, who doesn't believe in smartphone's.

The reason I chose those two models was that they share common traits with the iPhone, namely touchscreens and they are marketed as smartphone's e.g. not many smartphone's are shipped without data cables as connectivity to a computer is one of the things which usually make them smart as in phones, thereof.

Originally Posted by hill60

Regarding the other, the fact that you're posting here shows you know how to use the Internet, all it takes is a few more clicks to find details of Apple's International recycling efforts, however as you claim to have only seen one iPhone in the last year, it hardly seems worth it:-

Originally Posted by brucep

but this un founded lawsuit against APPLE CO leaves them wide open to attack word wide 24/7 forever /

Originally Posted by brucep

What can one say to this?
N O K I A has sold over 500 million phones this past decade !!
Exactly how many have been mailed back to finland ??
green my ass.

Originally Posted by jahonen

Av


At least Nokia has made it possible to do so just like Apple has started doing (since 2007 seems). Can they help it if consumers don't send them back? And do you factually know the percentages of recycled devices by manufacturer?

If you actually went and read the reports (for which I gave one possible URL for you to do so via), you'd notice that most of the difference comes in manufacturing. Both parties seem to be OK in recycling. Apple products are significantly more toxic at manufacturing than your hated Nokia phones or Samsung or SE for that matter (and Apple manufactures exclusively in China).

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/conten...tronics-13.pdf
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/conten...tronics-13.pdf

Just decrement the number to see older reports, which are worse for both parties.

Your original rant was not a case of which phone is better or worse (Personally I think Apple's user experience and looks are far better than Nokia's current offering). You rode the environment horse (which has no relevance to the law suit), which happens to be the wrong horse to select if you want to compare Apple and Nokia (or even Samsung and SE) and make Apple the winner. That's all.

Regs, Jarkko

Originally Posted by brucep

These lawsuits are par for course for both companies to clear away problems that can't be fixed any other way . My rant against nokia was tongue in cheek . I REGRET IF I WENT TOO far .

Originally Posted by AngusYoung

Mulit Touch is Multi Touch. Answer the question without pulling the norm on this forum and bashing Microsoft.

If these articles are true and I have no reason to believe they are not then Apple Did Not invent Multi Touch.

They copied Microsoft. What's Quadra's favorite saying. Start the copiers.

Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella

Apple DID NOT invent Multitouch.
Apple acquired a small company named FingerWorks which did invent it.

Originally Posted by jahonen

Of course you can argue, but what facts do you have to support it? The 2009 report http://www.evertiq.com/news/15198 contains the lates info and endorses Apple for the right direction. Sure it's greenpeace, but if you look at older reports, they quite clearly state why Apple hasn't been in the forefront and why Nokia has. The same criteria had been applied to others. Recycling is not the reason why Apple has been at the back of the list. Apple has been "partially good" at that.

A quote from the 2007 report "Apple was the lowest-ranked electronics manufacturer in the last Greenpeace Guide to Greener Electronics, but makes the biggest jump this time, into 10th place, thanks to pressure from Apple fans around the world through the Green my Apple campaign. " Pretty much how I remembered it from back then and a good direction.

And yes, Nokia ranked #1 or #2 on all of those reports that I could find whereas Apple ranked from last to mid-field. That was the whole point of the original responce. And why would Greenpeace have picked Apple as the mark back in 2006 "for publicity reasons" since other bigger players were on the same list?

Here's the corresponding page from Nokia: http://www.nokia.com/environment. Green is "fashion of today". But Nokia's been at it for quite a long time.

But, this is so far off topic, that it's time to stop this stream of thought and conclude that both are doing a lot of green stuff nowadays, the original posting about Nokia being an environmental badboy was just badly off the mark (as it would have been for Samsung or SE).

Regs, Jarkko

Originally Posted by jahonen

If you actually went and read the reports (for which I gave one possible URL for you to do so via), you'd notice that most of the difference comes in manufacturing. Both parties seem to be OK in recycling. Apple products are significantly more toxic at manufacturing than your hated Nokia phones or Samsung or SE for that matter (and Apple manufactures exclusively in China).

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/conten...tronics-13.pdf
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/conten...tronics-13.pdf

Regs, Jarkko

Originally Posted by AngusYoung

Mulit Touch is Multi Touch. Answer the question without pulling the norm on this forum and bashing Microsoft.

If these articles are true and I have no reason to believe they are not then Apple Did Not invent Multi Touch.

They copied Microsoft. What's Quadra's favorite saying. Start the copiers.

Originally Posted by JeffDM

Wow, someone tried to say Apple copied Microsoft's Multi-touch? That's historical revisionism at its finest. There are several ways to implement multitouch, and Microsoft's system isn't even similar to what Apple bought with Fingerworks.

Sure, Apple isn't the end-all of Multi-touch (to suggest such is similarly revisionist in ways), but to suggest that means Microsoft was the major originator of Apple's implementation, that's quite interesting.