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Various stories about Apple over the past week have had one common thread among them: Streaming media is poised to play a more prominent role in the company's future.

Last week, Apple purchased music streaming service Lala for $85 million, fueling speculation that the company will move toward a cloud-based iTunes service. Such a change could allow users to access and stream their purchased iTunes content anywhere, from a variety of different devices.

Sources have said Apple is currently considering a usage model that would allow consumers to access and manage purchased content directly through the Internet without downloading that content, or even using the iTunes software.

In addition, Apple changed its policy on streaming media solutions, allowing the very first live broadcasting software to be released on the App Store. The Ustream Live Broadcaster for the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS allows users to transmit live video from their phone. In addition, the Knocking Live Video application was approved for sale, but only after a plea directly to Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, developer Pointy Heads software has claimed.

Apple has also ventured into the personal broadcasting space, adding video recording capabilities to the iPhone 3GS and new iPod nano. When Jobs unveiled the 8GB, $149 fifth-generation iPod nano in September, he noted that a comparable Flip camera with half the storage sells for the same price.

Add in Apple's massive 500,000 square foot data center in North Carolina, and Wired has interpreted all of Apple's streaming related headlines of late to mean the Cupertino, Calif., company intends to make a large push for streaming content in the cloud.

"In the next few years, were likely to see video cameras with live-streaming software built into future iPods and iPhones (and the rumored touchscreen tablet, if it ever exists)," the report speculates. "These features will likely be integrated into iTunes, which Apple would convert into a social experience with real-time sharing services, in addition to being a storage tool.

"Its no wonder Jobs gave the green light on live video-broadcasting apps for the iPhone: He could use app developers to help Apple get started."

Wired sees a potential future for iTunes as a "personal media hub," allowing streaming of music, videos, and personal content all accessible from anywhere. It could start with Apple enabling iPhone and iPod nano users to share their content with one another easily through iTunes.

Previously, Apple has shown increased interest in streaming video and content, albeit in more subtle ways. In October, a patent application suggested the company is looking to improve the quality of streaming video by making imperfections in compressed video less visible to the human eye. The described technology would mask artifacting that appears when video files are compressed to reduce their file size.

The company also launched a new HTTP Live Streaming standard with iPhone OS 3.0. The new open standard for live video streaming over HTTP aims to improve on QuickTime's RTSP streaming server option, which has run into issues in the past due to its traffic being blocked by many firewalls. The new format allows a server to maintain multiple version of clips in different formats, allowing an iPhone user with a Wi-Fi connection to have a higher quality version of the video, while users on an EDGE cellular data connection will have a lower-quality version to accommodate their bandwidth restrictions.
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Wouldn't it be logical to have itunese as another app on MobileMe. Just like Mail, AdressBook and Calender?

simply sync your music library to mobile me and stream it from there to any device with a webbrwoser...

Storage shouldn't be a problem as apple could only save one copy for every song of all its users and only have a link to it.
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Don't forget iTunes Extras/iTunes LP. They're not streaming applications, per se, but they certainly indicate that Apple is continuing to move further into multi-platform distribution of video content.
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Streaming is an excellent idea. especially when the cost is so low. what i worry about is the slow and in most cases out dated network i.e. 3G or 4G or in some cases 2.5G etc. certainly a very good way to enjoy music / video / multimedia . i wonder what would the big music producers SONY, BMG etc would do once this platform takes on. very interesting days to come.
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Wouldn't it be logical to have itunese as another app on MobileMe. Just like Mail, AdressBook and Calender?

simply sync your music library to mobile me and stream it from there to any device with a webbrwoser...

Storage shouldn't be a problem as apple could only save one copy for every song of all its users and only have a link to it.

Agree. i have a *.txt file of my itunes music directory in the cloud.
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Wouldn't it be logical to have itunese as another app on MobileMe. Just like Mail, AdressBook and Calender?

simply sync your music library to mobile me and stream it from there to any device with a webbrwoser...

Storage shouldn't be a problem as apple could only save one copy for every song of all its users and only have a link to it.

I have been using the service since iTools and I hope that they dont integrate it into MM. Most iTunes users are on Windows and MM is nice but Id wager that the number of users is less than the number of Mac users.

Some would buy MM to get the iTunes streaming but I think that it would fail all around and would open up the possibility for competing services to take hold, potentially usurping iTunes and/or iTunes Store.

Then consider the free OS Google is making for cheap PCs. It will be completely webcode-based, even though it will have local storage and offline access. I think the best method I think of right now is to use the www.itunes.com site to create an iTunes-like interface that allows for a complete iTunes-like experience.

The pricing seems up in the air. We know that Lala wasnt able to make a profit on their method of unlimited streaming at 10¢ per son. Perhaps the streaming of audio may be free if you purchased your music from iTunes Store, otherwise a charge may be incurred. This may help encourage further iTS purchases in other to get this additional song option.
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It's the next logical step. Just wonder what the pricing will be..
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Cloud... here we come. First music, then books and video are soon to follow. Sounds like the end for the need to have large hard drive storage inside devices...
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And this underscores Apple's (and ours) need to add Verizon's network to handle the load.
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It's the next logical step. Just wonder what the pricing will be..

My guess is there will be no charge to stream content that you have purchased from the iTunes store. LaLa charged ten cents to stream a song you can show you own. Apple will get it's money by encouraging people to get that content through them. Most music on iPods were not purchased from iTunes - so would be ineligible for streaming. Apple would be adding value to iTunes purchased content by making only that available for streaming.

But, in addition, it's possible Apple would like to make money off the content you did not buy from them by charging you to stream what they see in your iTunes library - which would drive the rights holders crazy because much of that is pirated... unless Apple shares that with them.
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My guess is there will be no charge to stream content that you have purchased from the iTunes store. LaLa charged ten cents to stream a song you can show you own. Apple will get it's money by encouraging people to get that content through them. Most music on iPods were not purchased from iTunes - so would be ineligible for streaming. Apple would be adding value to iTunes purchased content by making only that available for streaming.

That is how Im currently seeing the business model fall into place, too. So far this model does seem best as a valued added service to encourage iTS music purchases even more. This means that Apple doesnt have to upload your library at all, just access the songs its servers know you have purchased.
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... which would drive the rights holders crazy because much of that is pirated...

Way to lump everyone together. I have over 9300 songs in iTunes (and I have 4 CDs that I haven't ripped to iTunes yet), only 230 of of those songs came from iTunes and NONE of them were pirated. And I like wearing pink too much to be a pirate besides.

Streaming my iTunes purchases would be meaningless to me as I have so few. Likewise, it wouldn't inspire me to buy from my iTunes because it would take a very long time before any meaningful fraction of my library could be streamed.

Further, you know this service is going to be locked in to Apple hardware on the mobile front and that's not something I'm interested in doing (being tied to Apple). I'd rather buy the CD and subscribe to Rhapsody to get access to that music anywhere I might be (along with millions of other songs I may or may not currently have as a CD or purchased download). Yes, I really do love subscription music.
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The company also launched a new HTTP Live Streaming standard with iPhone OS 3.0. The new open standard for live video streaming over HTTP aims to improve on QuickTime's RTSP streaming server option, which has run into issues in the past due to its traffic being blocked by many firewalls.

Did you see the initial demo of that technology at WWDC? It worked like crap. It might get through more firewalls, but well!
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Did you see the initial demo of that technology at WWDC? It worked like crap. It might get through more firewalls, but well!

I am under the impression that it works well with less overhead than other formats. Isn’t the MLB app for the iPhone OS using it for streaming video with success?

edit: Check out the site below on your iPhone. These are screenshots with fairly strong 3G connection…

http://iphone.akamai.com/



They are more than watchable. It took a couple second for the adaptive stream to not be blocky but pausing seems to alleviate that if you were so inclined. At any rate, it seems to work pretty well.
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I am under the impression that it works well with less overhead than other formats. Isn’t the MLB app for the iPhone OS using it for streaming video with success?

Only over WiFi and that's about VHS or TV over an antenna, but you're not a sports fan so you wouldn't know.

It's also not even remotely usable for 3G or Edge.

Spend the $5 and give a 30 page reason why I'm wrong. That would be the norm.

Edit. It's 7:31 Pacific Time, 10:31 New York Time.

Clocks on. How long will it take for your answer and yes you are still in the room so don't claim ignorance.

You are so good at it, as well as claiming to know all things tech.

Enlighten the room, something you've never been able to do.

And he's gone from the room. Not surprising in the least.

Welcome back. You're in the room again. I'll get my reading glasses on for your 30 page answer or are you just waiting for me to leave to slam me?

You edited your original posting like a coward rather than answering me. You seem to favor cartoons.

If I'm watching MLB I don't want studders or pauses over 3G, Edge or WiFi.

The artifacts are not forgiving on 3G which would and does make MLB a joke to try and watch.

You are giving 3G screen captures as an example? Buy the MLB package and watch a live game, I know it goes against your nature to watch sports but give it a try.

Edit 2. Buy a Zoon if you want a subscription streaming solution. Something this Forum has said was a Microsoft scam.

Welcome to the new Apple and iTunes. Apple has gone Microsoft to fight Google. Pathetic comes to mind.

Edit 3.
Yes, it does make for a great screen shot but my house is 802.11n (not draft) and I caugt up to the cartoon in about 10 seconds.

Imagine Alex Rodriguez passing 3rd base and you miss if he's safe. Doesn't make for entertaining sports or movies.
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Cloud... here we come. First music, then books and video are soon to follow. Sounds like the end for the need to have large hard drive storage inside devices...

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Way to lump everyone together. I have over 9300 songs in iTunes (and I have 4 CDs that I haven't ripped to iTunes yet), only 230 of of those songs came from iTunes and NONE of them were pirated. And I like wearing pink too much to be a pirate besides.

Streaming my iTunes purchases would be meaningless to me as I have so few. Likewise, it wouldn't inspire me to buy from my iTunes because it would take a very long time before any meaningful fraction of my library could be streamed.

Further, you know this service is going to be locked in to Apple hardware on the mobile front and that's not something I'm interested in doing (being tied to Apple). I'd rather buy the CD and subscribe to Rhapsody to get access to that music anywhere I might be (along with millions of other songs I may or may not currently have as a CD or purchased download). Yes, I really do love subscription music.

you could say put up/sync up 789 of YOUR top rated songs onto the apple cloud farm
and play back/steam back these songs anywhere any time from a small pair of headphones
even // maybe if your at a bar >party > wedding type deal and the music sucks real bad . you could with a simple bluetooth /wifi plug DJ your own cloud songs to the fun and amazement of all .

The point being for apple and us IS having tiny low power non googlized / non ad driven steaming devices would be great . Our own personal hulu's /we already with idisk have almost all of this cloud stuff already ,

AND apple could now sell to over 3 billion poorer people low power low cost devices by the tens of millions by having a powerful cloud farm itunes based configuration..

google will not survive this if it happens / apple can bypass the while ad world and drive you into an apple dominated world with no ads at all and no flash at all either

i will shut up now

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I am under the impression that it works well with less overhead than other formats. Isnt the MLB app for the iPhone OS using it for streaming video with success?

edit: Check out the site below on your iPhone. These are screenshots with fairly strong 3G connection
http://iphone.akamai.com/



They are more than watchable. It took a couple second for the adaptive stream to not be blocky but pausing seems to alleviate that if you were so inclined. At any rate, it seems to work pretty well.

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I am under the impression that it works well with less overhead than other formats. Isnt the MLB app for the iPhone OS using it for streaming video with success?

edit: Check out the site below on your iPhone. These are screenshots with fairly strong 3G connection
They are more than watchable. It took a couple second for the adaptive stream to not be blocky but pausing seems to alleviate that if you were so inclined. At any rate, it seems to work pretty well.

Apple were an original and large investor in Akamai then sold from what i recall. I was always curious why they didn't increase rather than reduce their interest given the obvious move to streaming coming. The only conclusion I could draw was Apple were planning to develop their own streaming system. What's your take on that scenario?
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you could say put up/sync up 789 of YOUR top rated songs onto the apple cloud farm
and play back/steam back these songs anywhere any time from a small pair of headphones
even // maybe if your at a bar >party > wedding type deal and the music sucks real bad . you could with a simple bluetooth /wifi plug DJ your own cloud songs to the fun and amazement of all .

The point being for apple and us IS having tiny low power non googlized / non ad driven steaming devices would be great . Our own personal hulu's /we already with idisk have almost all of this cloud stuff already ,

AND apple could now sell to over 3 billion poorer people low power low cost devices by the tens of millions by having a powerful cloud farm itunes based configuration..

google will not survive this if it happens / apple can bypass the while ad world and drive you into an apple dominated world with no ads at all and no flash at all either

i will shut up now

peace

You are absolutely right. Apple has seen the huge growth in streaming audio apps (have you noticed how many there are lately from every broadcaster and webcaster) that people are using. Pandora is one of them that consumers are using on their iPhone/Touch. LaLa allows AAPL to offer customized/pesonalized streams and "redirect" users back to AAPL. Apple can monetize Genius. Right now, Apple gets "zero" for iTunes and less and less consumers are purchasing music on iTunes. Wouldn't iTunes users pay a small fee to be able to stream music on handheld devices from a cloud that is based on the users personal iTunes library as well as new recommendations? Rhapsody had something similar called MyRhapsody where I could customize the artists I wanted to listen to as well suggested music tracks that were compared to my Rhapsody library. Apple doesn't invent new things. They take the best of what's out there and make it better than anyone else.
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Apple were an original and large investor in Akamai then sold from what i recall. I was always curious why they didn't increase rather than reduce their interest given the obvious move to streaming coming. The only conclusion I could draw was Apple were planning to develop their own streaming system. What's your take on that scenario?

I think its a given that they are building one. Its the future of modern computing; I dont think anyone will deny that. How and why they will do it another story.

The only thing I see reported is a $12.5M investment a decade ago. They have pretty interesting clientele list according to Wikipedia, ranging from Apple, to MS, to the White House. Also, one of their founders was in one the American Airlines planes on 9/11. Too bad he could see what his company had become.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai_Technologies That server farm does look like competition to Akami but on the surface it seems like it would just be cheaper to buy them out. Maybe not, that is why Apple has armies of bean counters to figure this stuff out.

I hope its not regulated to this area in NC, but spread out like Google and Akami servers tend to be so that youre never more than a few hopes from your source.
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Apple's progress with MobileMe and it's continued progress and yet to be seen features of iWork.com (beta) were clues long ago where the company plans to move towards (being RICH UI Web Apps).

Leaping forward, assumptions such as this article gives an interesting view of where iTunes, iPhone, the iPod lineup and Apple TV are headed. Apple may also venture into the VoIP realm to provide an innovative and better experience for Apple users. Skype and Google still haven't got it quite right yet, so apple could easily be a player in the VoIP space too.

Add all of this with streaming content and Apple will have yet again put its polish and shine on the industry, they created.
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Apple may also venture into the VoIP realm to provide an innovative and better experience for Apple users. Skype and Google still haven't got it quite right yet, so apple could easily be a player in the VoIP space too.

There is a rumour that Apple is now in talks with iCall to buy their VoIp service.
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Who cares. Not that big of a deal
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There is a rumour that Apple is now in talks with iCall to buy their VoIp service.

True! I did read about that rumor also. I remember awhile back at the Allthings D5 conference. When Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were discussing the future of the what we use today. Jobs was really focused on a 3 system setup for the future of computing and software.

I personally think iTunes will become just like moblieme (A separate web App) along with iWork and then a fully bundled set of Pro Apps integrated into the Web. All these Apps could be accessed from a device like the iPhone or on a Laptop (Like a MBA but in a 15" or 13" variety).

** OFF TOPIC: The MBA is where the notebook lineup is heading. I think they'll remove all optical drives and have that standard usb driven superdrive for all their laptops. More innovation will come with remote disk (to install software). Once Lightpeak is ready this will drastically save the need for multiple ports with a notebook.

I must say that it's sad to see other companies not have the drive and innovation to spearhead the next standard. Apple's left to do it all, and then receive backlash from a minority of whiners and complainers when things don't go as they want it to.
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You are absolutely right. Apple has seen the huge growth in streaming audio apps (have you noticed how many there are lately from every broadcaster and webcaster) that people are using. Pandora is one of them that consumers are using on their iPhone/Touch. LaLa allows AAPL to offer customized/pesonalized streams and "redirect" users back to AAPL. Apple can monetize Genius. Right now, Apple gets "zero" for iTunes and less and less consumers are purchasing music on iTunes. Wouldn't iTunes users pay a small fee to be able to stream music on handheld devices from a cloud that is based on the users personal iTunes library as well as new recommendations? Rhapsody had something similar called MyRhapsody where I could customize the artists I wanted to listen to as well suggested music tracks that were compared to my Rhapsody library. Apple doesn't invent new things. They take the best of what's out there and make it better than anyone else.

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True! I did read about that rumor also. I remember awhile back at the Allthings D5 conference. When Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were discussing the future of the what we use today. Jobs was really focused on a 3 system setup for the future of computing and software.

I personally think iTunes will become just like moblieme (A separate web App) along with iWork and then a fully bundled set of Pro Apps integrated into the Web. All these Apps could be accessed from a device like the iPhone or on a Laptop (Like a MBA but in a 15" or 13" variety).

** OFF TOPIC: The MBA is where the notebook lineup is heading. I think they'll remove all optical drives and have that standard usb driven superdrive for all their laptops. More innovation will come with remote disk (to install software). Once Lightpeak is ready this will drastically save the need for multiple ports with a notebook.

I must say that it's sad to see other companies not have the drive and innovation to spearhead the next standard. Apple's left to do it all, and then receive backlash from a minority of whiners and complainers when things don't go as they want it to.

Take a look at the new 13” and 15” HP Envys at the link below. 1.08”magnesium case, which may be a unibody and no optical drive. They also come with Core-i7 but that isn’t such a great thing if you want battery since it’s the 45nm quad-core mobile version using up to 45W. Not exactly something Apple would go for.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/camp...nvy/index.html So that is HP making some plays for the higher-end market. Perhaps they think that with Win7 people will be more open to these expensive Win PCs that often make Macs look inexpensive.

Dell is also making some plays in this area. Their latest Adamo XPS is complete shite in my opinion being a prime example of form over function (literally, not the just the hyperbolic usage). Their first Adamo was great. I loved that the ports were in back. What I do give Dell credit for with the current Adamo is their R&D attempts from prototypes I’ve seen. One thing I hope Apple is working on—and expect they are when they moved to a large, button-less glass trackpad—is visual feedback from the trackpad instead of just using it for input.
I love my Dashboard Widgets but they haven’t been updated since Leopard and there are a few bugs with them. Then I have a Menu Bar that keeps shrinking as I keep adding items.

I’d love to have my trackpad be an auxiliary display for certain things, like a scroll stock ticker or iStat data. On top of that, and perhaps most importantly, the calculator and such apps are a pain to use. I grab my iPhone and use the touch screen even while in front of my computer. I’d like to have my calculator in my trackpad so I can tap the numbers quickly and efficiently. You can even have a stylus for writing characters with feedback of what you just drew while looking at the stylus tip, not the display ahead of you. This is important stuff from what I can see.

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Besides those, I hope we get a GPS chip in all Mac notebooks. This will allow HTML5’s geolocation to know where we are when we do a search and Apple can create an API so that movies and weather can know what area we are closest too. I current use my iPhone for all these over my notebook simply because it’s a step already taken care of. On top of that, Find My IPhone can be met with Find My Mac so that your Mac will also be trackable, if you choose, but more specifically than backtracking an IP address, which some have used successfully to find stolen equipment.
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Take a look at the new 13 and 15 HP Envys at the link below. 1.08magnesium case, which may be a unibody and no optical drive. They also come with Core-i7 but that isnt such a great thing if you want battery since its the 45nm quad-core mobile version using up to 45W. Not exactly something Apple would go for.
http://www.hp.com/united-states/camp...nvy/index.html So that is HP making some plays for the higher-end market. Perhaps they think that with Win7 people will be more open to these expensive Win PCs that often make Macs look inexpensive.

Dell is also making some plays in this area. Their latest Adamo XPS is complete shite in my opinion being a prime example of form over function (literally, not the just the hyperbolic usage). Their first Adamo was great. I loved that the ports were in back. What I do give Dell credit for with the current Adamo is their R&D attempts from prototypes Ive seen. One thing I hope Apple is working onand expect they are when they moved to a large, button-less glass trackpadis visual feedback from the trackpad instead of just using it for input.
I love my Dashboard Widgets but they havent been updated since Leopard and there are a few bugs with them. Then I have a Menu Bar that keeps shrinking as I keep adding items.

Id love to have my trackpad be an auxiliary display for certain things, like a scroll stock ticker or iStat data. On top of that, and perhaps most importantly, the calculator and such apps are a pain to use. I grab my iPhone and use the touch screen even while in front of my computer. Id like to have my calculator in my trackpad so I can tap the numbers quickly and efficiently.

Besides those, I hope we get a GPS chip in all Mac notebooks. This will allow HTML5s geolocation to know where we are when we do a search and Apple can create an API so that movies and weather can know what area we are closest too. I current use my iPhone for all these over my notebook simply because its a step already taken care of. On top of that, Find My IPhone can be met with Find My Mac so that your Mac will also be trackable, if you choose, but more specifically than backtracking an IP address, which some have used successfully to find stolen equipment.


WOW! Interesting ideas. I was hoping Apple would have had it's Macbook done in anodized aluminum in black or other colors instead of the white plastic, to better appeal to the education market (meaning 6th-12th grade) kids like colors and the colorful nano lineup is a huge seller.

Those HP's are extremely thin, and look like overkill (thats why you mentioned the battery life suffers along with performance). Apple has done a great job with the current thinness of the air, what needs to be done in my POV is to really work on under the hood improvements. Apple has been rumored to be making huge advances into bringing the current battery technology into the iPhone & the next notebook refresh

As much as I hate the fact the GPS is being pushed as the "needs to be integrated into every aspect of life" chip. Your idea of that GPS integration would be a real asset and an important feature of the Mac Notebook line-up. The first thing that came to mind was the remote wipe feature, in-case of a lost notebook. Since most of your data (by this time) would be stored in the Apple Server Farms.

Again people wonder why Apple try's to do there own in-house productions & that's because competitors just don't get it right. Apple understands the Creative & Consumer market. The enterprise market is currently a bag of hurt with stuck in the windows era IT departments pleading to their bosses how Apple isn't right for the enterprise.

*** Another off topic: Speaking of enterprise Microsoft should leave the personal PC business and focus on Gaming. I'm no gamer but my friends play alot of XBox and the momentum behind that business model seems to be much better then what Sony and Nintendo can drive. Plus they'll do us ALL A BIG FAVOR BY LEAVING AN INDUSTRY WHICH THEIR CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN ZERO!
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WOW! Interesting ideas. I was hoping Apple would have had it's Macbook done in anodized aluminum in black or other colors instead of the white plastic, to better appeal to the education market (meaning 6th-12th grade) kids like colors and the colorful nano lineup is a huge seller.

Moving to varying colours is a cheap and easy way to expand your market of your cheaper lines once youve hit a certain saturation point. The iPods up to the Nano and the iPod Classics were either one or two colours. Silver aluminium like in the Ipod Mini, white plastic like in most of the original iPods, or white or black plastic like with the iPod Classic.

I think it would sell well and help draw even more people into Apple Store and want Macs but how much more does the aluminium cost Apple. And how much does the anodizing cost Apple for such a large device? Id ask how durable it is to scratches and colour wearing but they are using a new process in the new Nanos so that may be overcome.

If this new plastic unibody MacBook is a success (according to the last report I read the 13 MBP was selling better) then they could differentiate with a white and black model, or even other coloured plastics. Id like anodized MBPs even if they made them with just a few executive colours like black, metal grey, and original silver. The only problem is that these are much larger than an iPod Nano box and will require more storage and inventory so I dont see it happening until Apple reaches a saturation point which warrants it. Now that were coming out of a recession and Apple lowered the prices of Macs I dont see that happening for awhile.

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Those HP's are extremely thin, and look like overkill (thats why you mentioned the battery life suffers along with performance). Apple has done a great job with the current thinness of the air, what needs to be done in my POV is to really work on under the hood improvements.

For me the MBA is pushing the envelope of form over function for my needs. Its not nearly as bad as the Adamo XPS which belongs in a movie based on a Phillip K. Dick novel, not in reality, but the battery life of the MBA is pretty bad, especially when compared to the other portable Macs. Plus, I am not a fan of the 1.8 drive capacity. Making it less tapered would not affect the footprint but would add plenty of room for a thicker battery. Sure, it would add weight, but for considerable battery longevity Id deal with it. As it stands now the MBP is the best option for me.

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Apple has been rumored to be making huge advances into bringing the current battery technology into the iPhone & the next notebook refresh

The battery tech in the new MB and MBPs isnt new. Its the same Lithum-Polymer Ion that theyve been using in the MBA and all their iDevices. They just used multiple Li-Polys with a smart battery management system. I expect this will be the norm for all decent notebooks before too long.

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As much as I hate the fact the GPS is being pushed as the "needs to be integrated into every aspect of life" chip. Your idea of that GPS integration would be a real asset and an important feature of the Mac Notebook line-up. The first thing that came to mind was the remote wipe feature, in-case of a lost notebook.

I seem to be the only one wanting this and having been pushing it for a couple years nowalong with the removal of the optical driveso Im not holding my breath. Im sure these and more farfetched ideas will happen eventually, just not necessarily with the next update.
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Did you see the initial demo of that technology at WWDC? It worked like crap. It might get through more firewalls, but well!

HTTP Live Streaming actually works extremely well. There are several video streaming services that use the technology and the list is growing. What have you seen that gave you the impression that it was crap?



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Only over WiFi and that's about VHS or TV over an antenna, but you're not a sports fan so you wouldn't know.

It's also not even remotely usable for 3G or Edge.

The iPhone's screen resolution is 480x320, there's no need to bother with resolution higher than that, you would never see it.

I don't think you understand how HTTP Streaming works. The system is designed to send out three streams at various resolutions and bit rates. The quality of the video stream is based on the speed of your network connection. This adaptive ability allows a continuous uninterrupted video stream regardless of your network speed. So of course the WiFi stream will look a lot better than the EDGE stream because WiFi is several times faster.
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Some would buy MM to get the iTunes streaming but I think that it would fail all around and would open up the possibility for competing services to take hold, potentially usurping iTunes and/or iTunes Store.

I don't quite understand, why would iTunes in MM fail? To me the primary point of the LaLa acquisition is for streaming to the iPhone.

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The pricing seems up in the air. We know that Lala wasnt able to make a profit on their method of unlimited streaming at 10¢ per son. Perhaps the streaming of audio may be free if you purchased your music from iTunes Store, otherwise a charge may be incurred. This may help encourage further iTS purchases in other to get this additional song option.

So far from Apple's history of acquisitions. They often fold the acquired IP into a service they already sell for no additional charge. Apple doesn't need LaLa to make any profit, they only need it to sell more iPod's and iPhone's
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I don't quite understand, why would iTunes in MM fail? To me the primary point of the LaLa acquisition is for streaming to the iPhone.

Expecting everyone who wants to use the web-based iTunes to access their content to purchase a MM account seems to limit the use of the service and allow competing services to offer a yearly subscription free service to do the same. If you have to buy the content from iTunes Store and maintain a MM account to play these streams I see that as a major problem.

Another way of looking at it from a business perspective is that Apple has over 100M iTS accounts on file with CCs, a Mac installed base that I think is around 30M and a number of MM accounts that I assume is well below that.

Sure it can tap into Windows now, sure it has a lot of uses without the need for a Mac, and sure this will surely increase the MM subscription uptake, but I think the $69+/year is not something people will readily go for and it will hurt it being well-recieved and dominate among cloud-based users.

On top of that, I see a web-based iTunes being a requirement if Chrome OS gets any marketshare. These will likely be cheap machines whose users simply arent going to pay that kind of money for MM for a Chrome OS netbook just to get iTunes. Theyll find an alternate solution that may be using something like an Amazon or Google web-based player with HTML5 that can store and play your media from the device or from the web.

(Ive got H1N1 so forgive me if my mind is scattered a bit)

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So far from Apple's history of acquisitions. They often fold the acquired IP into a service they already sell for no additional charge. Apple doesn't need LaLa to make any profit, they only need it to sell more iPod's and iPhone's

True, which is why I think it will be a value added service for audio purchased at the iTunes Store. We can assume that their operating costs from the store have gone down and that they are easily making a pretty decent profit per song where they may not have when the store opened.

What I dont think they will do is allow me to have my entire library in their cloud and be able to stream all those songs for free. That would severely hamper their iTS business model for music. They need to encourage more iTS music sales, hence a value added service for iTS music purchases only.
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Who cares. Not that big of a deal

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Expecting everyone who wants to use the web-based iTunes to access their content to purchase a MM account seems to limit the use of the service and allow competing services to offer a yearly subscription free service to do the same. If you have to buy the content from iTunes Store and maintain a MM account to play these streams I see that as a major problem.

Oh I see what you are saying. Only limiting iTunes streaming to mobile me. Yeah I doubt Apple would do that. I was more thinking that Apple could allow MM users to upload their personal music collections that they can then stream. That would be a value added service to help sell MM.

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(Ive got H1N1 so forgive me if my mind is scattered a bit)

Oooh, that sounds terrible. Hope you get better soon.


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What I dont think they will do is allow me to have my entire library in their cloud and be able to stream all those songs for free. That would severely hamper their iTS business model for music. They need to encourage more iTS music sales, hence a value added service for iTS music purchases only.


I agree its likely just to be a value added service to buying an iTunes song. Apple already has the music on its servers, there really is no need for them to store people's personal music collections. All Apple really needs is proof that you've legally purchased the song and allow you to freely stream it from the server. My guess is the system will work more like that.
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I'm not really that smart, but doesn't all this talk about streaming seem to point toward the ability to integrate that front facing camera for video chat that was rumored a while back? PLEASE!!!!
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