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Standard? For what, exactly?

It's also how MS fumbled WinMo.

Yet they control the world in the PC arena.

Google has the same business model as Microsoft of the 80's but unlike Microsoft they have business ventures that touch every part of Apple's business model and many that Apple hasn't even ventured into.
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Well it certainly looks like Schmidt really was a snake in the grass. Seems like Google wants to take allcomers on, head to head.

Certainly all this extra competition will keep Apple on its toes, good for the consumer.

So True, and yet such shame. Though I'm a bit surprised at the majority of encouragement for this device over the rumored knowledge of OLED display and it being much thinner then the current iPhone.

Lets talk more about software, cause thats what the iPhone really is. Google's unannounced version of Android 2.1. vs the announced and in use iPhone 3.0

iPhone 3.0:

1,000 new API's.......iPod Library Access
Peer to Peer connectivity ............ GPS lingo
In-App Purchases ........ In Game Voice
Ad-Hoc ...... Shake API
Accessory Support ..... Data Detectors
Spotlight
In App email
Streaming Audio/Video
Core Data

And the list goes on......... Apple's SDK is designed to Help the developers and with iPhone 3.0 they even brought over 100 New Features to the end user.

Google isn't focused on the developer or end user, Schmidt only joined Apple's board to poach ideas and sit in at the major keynotes.

Apple works there butt off to bring innovation. Google and Eric Schmidt are a bunch of poachers.
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I imagine we will be seeing actual pics soon if it has been given to people all around the world...

And what in the hell are "beautifying steroids?"

Sounds like a bunch of empty hype to me. The iPhone has absolutely no need of "beautifying", thank you very much. As for the steroids, time will tell whether the Google phone is an elite athlete or a muscle-bound hulk.
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Again those numbers mean nothing to me.

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No just logical. Which I understand is hard to find on this forum

Didnt take long to contradict yourself. Thats what happens when you go to an Apple forum and try to debate with people who back up their stances with fact and proof. Dont sweat it too much, we would feel equally inadequate on your Hannah Montana fan forum.
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post #125 of 336
Schmidt had to leave the room when they spoke about the iPhone in board meetings.

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Google isn't focused on the developer or end user, Schmidt only joined Apple's board to poach ideas and sit in at the major keynotes.
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Schmidt had to leave the room when they spoke about the iPhone in board meetings.

I wonder what he did when he left the room. Go have a Coke and stare at his watch? Play on his iPhone? Well, probably make some important calls and get some work done. That's the obvious answer. But it's interesting to wonder . . .

And how would he leave? At a set time? Did SJ have to give him a look, or did it come down to an actual verbal cue?

Steve: Ok Eric, get out.
Eric: Can I at least finish my salad?
Steve: No. Leave it here. Jony wants it.
Eric: But whhyyyyy??? I never get to do anything!
Steve: Bitch, you don't even work here. Now get out before I take away your iPhone.
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Someone finally admitted it's TMobile 3G only, EDGE on ATT.

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Schmidt had to leave the room when they spoke about the iPhone in board meetings.

Yes I'm aware of that. Though it does seem a bit interesting as of late the Google is going to operate in every space Apple is in, which wouldn't be a bad thing if they were more innovative & thought different with their approach.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

I wonder what he did when he left the room. Go have a Coke and stare at his watch? Play on his iPhone? Well, probably make some important calls and get some work done. That's the obvious answer. But it's interesting to wonder . . .

And how would he leave? At a set time? Did SJ have to give him a look, or did it come down to an actual verbal cue?

Steve: Ok Eric, get out.
Eric: Can I at least finish my salad?
Steve: No. Leave it here. Jony wants it.
Eric: But whhyyyyy??? I never get to do anything!
Steve: Bitch, you don't even work here. Now get out before I take away your iPhone.

Perfect response Like lets get real here. The guy had his ear to the door listening to steve rant about how tasteless Microsoft is, how they should try and acquire a ad company etc.... Google says they're taking on Microsoft but they're just going to try and destroy a company they deep down inside strive to operate like.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

... Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.

Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.

They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?

I know you're just a troll and you post things just to get people riled up but this is absolute nonsense. Just saying black is white doesn't make it so. there are long lists of innovations in all those products and every one of them has been a great commercial and critical success. You listing them out and saying (essentially), "they suck" is not going to change the facts. Grow up.
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Seriously, get help or counseling. To worship an inanimate object and compare it to Jesus is Very Disturbing.

This is a stupid comment. He is posting objective facts, and you equate that to "worshipping?"

If he was the type to "worship" things he wouldn't be making Jesus jokes probably. Unless you are actually trying to suggest that he formerly worshiped this Jesus person, and has now switched his allegiance to an inanimate object? That's just crazy talk.
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I know you're just a troll and you post things just to get people riled up but this is absolute nonsense. Just saying black is white doesn't make it so. there are long lists of innovations in all those products and every one of them has been a great commercial and critical success. You listing them out and saying (essentially), "they suck" is not going to change the facts. Grow up.

Trolls don't really hang around for as long as I have been here. So by the way why dont you post that long list of innovations. Would the G4 Cube be one of them?

Some of the products suck like Apple TV but I didn't say most of them suck. While the Macbook, Macbook Pro and iMac are all good products I simply stated we have seen nothing revolutionary in those products in quite a while. Not sure how you could even put that up for debate. What has really change in any of those products? Snow Leopard the same issue. When you can sell your OS for 29.00 how much did you really put into it?
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Apple is DOOMED!

Apple has Millions of Happy users.

It's brought a Revolutionary web browser experience to a smartphone.
They've brought a seamless experience of having Video & Music right in your pocket.
You can enjoy a Rich looking Mail App and even though they were deemed late in adding these features, landscape mode, MMS, Voice Control, and cut copy & paste. At least when it was released they got it right the first time.

What will Android or droid (whatever it's called) revolutionize is the real question??

The Ignorance of this quote " APPLE IS DOOMED" goes into the pile of other useless and tasteless remarks about a company who's innovation and drive distributes products we just can't live without.
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This is a stupid comment. He is posting objective facts, and you equate that to "worshipping?"

If he was the type to "worship" things he wouldn't be making Jesus jokes probably. Unless you are actually trying to suggest that he formerly worshiped this Jesus person, and has now switched his allegiance to an inanimate object? That's just crazy talk.

With Quadra the scary part is the comment about Jesus wasn't a joke. He really believe that crazy shit.

This is Quadra on the left with is buddy at the Mall.

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Actually, most of the industry analysts agree that Android will surpass Apple in the mobile phone arena in 2010. Do your research.

This is based on the number of mobile manufactures introducing Android on all networks worldwide.

This is also BS. You're getting desperate here and just pulling stuff out of thin air. One report said that Android might sell more handsets than iPhones next year due to the number of companies jumping on the platform.

It's a prediction based on current trends and numbers (i.e.- it could be completely off base). This is no where near to equating to "most ... industry analysts agree," and no where near being a fact of any kind.

Your being a total cheerleader here.
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The Android OS is actually free. Google makes money from ads within its services. Google makes money from its iPhone apps.

Google business model is very different from what MS has done with Windows.

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Yet that isn't the point for Google is it? They get revenue on every phone & App sold.

You can't even say it's a unique business model. It's how Microsoft became the standard for the world in the PC arena.
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Apple has Millions of Happy users.

It's brought a Revolutionary web browser experience to a smartphone.
They've brought a seamless experience of having Video & Music right in your pocket.
You can enjoy a Rich looking Mail App and even though they were deemed late in adding these features, landscape mode, MMS, Voice Control, and cut copy & paste. At least when it was released they got it right the first time.

What will Android or droid (whatever it's called) revolutionize is the real question??

The Ignorance of this quote " APPLE IS DOOMED" goes into the pile of other useless and tasteless remarks about a company who's innovation and drive distributes products we just can't live without.

Dude he was joking.
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What barometer are you using to define "revolutionary"? Its easy to throw around such words but what does it really mean?

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Some of the products suck like Apple TV but I didn't say most of them suck. While the Macbook, Macbook Pro and iMac are all good products I simply stated we have seen nothing revolutionary in those products in quite a while. Not sure how you could even put that up for debate. What has really change in any of those products? Snow Leopard the same issue. When you can sell your OS for 29.00 how much did you really put into it?
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With Quadra the scary part is the comment about Jesus wasn't a joke. He really believe that crazy shit.

This is Quadra on the left with is buddy at the Mall.

I don't generally talk to you cause you've been on my ignore list almost forever due to the way you bully people around and just spout a lot of negative junk that doesn't have any basis in fact. Even though this is kind of mild compared to stuff you've done in the past, I reported this post for the personal attack contained therein, and hope others do as well.

You don't like Apple, you don't seem to like much of anything. This place would be a lot better off if you just left. Hope you realise that some day.
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With Quadra the scary part is the comment about Jesus wasn't a joke.

Correct, I most certainly wasn't joking. I'll repeat:

The iPhone was to the mobile industry (and still is) what Jesus was to the apostles.

All too true. The mobile industry today looks nothing like what it was pre June 2007. Totally different ballgame. Even the carriers have been changing up their game. All thanks to Apple and what the iPhone brought to the table. And the copying of the iPhone and the attempts to duplicate the Apple experience is still going on.

And as for Google selling their "own phone" next year, apparently without a carrier, I bet Motorola and Verizon are just tickled pink.
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What barometer are you using to define "revolutionary"? Its easy to throw around such words but what does it really mean?

Thats actually a good question. In my opinion its very hard to make something these days that is revolutionary rather then simply evolutionary. At least when it comes to technology.
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I don't generally talk to you cause you've been on my ignore list almost forever due to the way you bully people around and just spout a lot of negative junk that doesn't have any basis in fact. Even though this is kind of mild compared to stuff you've done in the past, I reported this post for the personal attack contained therein, and hope others do as well.

You don't like Apple, you don't seem to like much of anything. This place would be a lot better off if you just left. Hope you realise that some day.

I didn't realize you could bully someone over the internet. My opinion isn't negative its realistic. Apple makes some very nice products and I own and use alot of them. That doesn't mean I have to think Steve Jobs walks on water. I actually belong to Macrumors.com and have for several years, as does Quadra and he doesn't even know who I am there.

The problem with this forum is members start adding to your words when you say something negative against Apple. Which is how threads go from talking about a new phone to this. One negative comment is like shining a light on the roaches.
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Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.

They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?

The Macbooks are a huge success with the education market. Sometimes Apple operates under the philosophy of if it's not broke don't fix it.

MacBook Pro's. 8GB of ram 256SSD option better screen viewing, much improved graphics.

Mac Pro. It's a screamer! (Though the cinema display 30" could be updated, but it still has a higher resolution then the 27" iMac)

Apple TV. Not a Failure, just a Hobby, Apple clearly makes this known during quarterly conference calls

MacBook Air, Spawned a rush of copycats (Dell Adomao w/e ). It's innovation with remote disk (which stills has much more room to grow).

iPods (The shuffle has a voice, Nano's can shoot all day and night, the Classic is still a classic, the touch is a revolutionary game changer for games. Just ask Nintendo's CEO .)

iMac, The ALL IN ONE DESIGN.

Apple has spawned copycat after copycat. Everyone copies Apple...... Don't even get me started on Software. Snow Leopard's technologies alone are by far worth more then $29, just be grateful your on a relevant OS that's " Light years ahead "
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Dude he was joking.

Okay apologies if taken out of context
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What a lot of the posters here seem to discount is that Google and Android seem to pop up on AI and other reporting websites more than most any other mobile OS (except for the iPhone, obviously). That says something about how, if any mobile OS is going to take down the iPhone, it will probably be Android (unless a completely new OS comes out that nobody had known about).
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What a lot of the posters here seem to discount is that Google and Android seem to pop up on AI and other reporting websites more than most any other mobile OS (except for the iPhone, obviously). That says something about how, if any mobile OS is going to take down the iPhone, it will probably be Android (unless a completely new OS comes out that nobody had known about).

Google is a little more transparent with it's information then Apple, Thus the frequent Article Headlines about "GOOGLE DOES OR GOOGLE STEALS OR GOOGLE COPIES OR ERIC SCHMIDT WAS A SHEEP IN WOLFS CLOTHING" etc...

Apple marches to it's own beat, and rumor sites just can seem to find the tune..... Nor will they
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You do have to admit you've used some fairly hyperbolic language in this thread. Its only going to be met with push back on an Apple enthusiast board. You don't have to work so hard to prove you are not an Apple fanboy.

Many of us have disagreed with Apples choices from time to time. The key is to keep it all in proper context.

edit: wow, what did extremeskater say to get banned?

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The problem with this forum is members start adding to your words when you say something negative against Apple. Which is how threads go from talking about a new phone to this. One negative comment is like shining a light on the roaches.
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Apple is DOOMED!

Yup, clearly HTC and Android will rule the world.

Here in South East Asia at least, in terms of smartphones, the iPhone and Blackberries are leading the way. HTC, Sony, Samsung etc. I'm sure still do sales but their ease-of-use and "sex appeal (on steroids or not)" isn't quite there. Sony had potential but the firmware issues and what not, something's missing.

I really don't know what the big hype is about Android. If anything it's going to marginalise Windows Mobile even more, and take a huge bite out of Symbian and limit Palm's WebOS.

Apple is "safe" for now. Given a little run for their money, but as far as I see Android and other interfaces on a global scale are all a little to diverse to really have a solid, long-term "feel" for the customer... if that makes any sense.

Or whatever, call me a fanboy, I just can't imagine using any other phone besides the iPhone 3GS for the next several months. I don' want to learn or figure out all these other features and interfaces because, albeit at face value, the interfaces all seem like those "user customised" windows XP interfaces, or like Linux GUIs. Close but really no cigar.

And owning a HTC or Samsung... In South East Asia at least, it ain't as hip as a Nokia, Blackberry or iPhone.
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Google is a little more transparent with it's information then Apple, Thus the frequent Article Headlines about "GOOGLE DOES OR GOOGLE STEALS OR GOOGLE COPIES OR ERIC SCHMIDT WAS A SHEEP IN WOLFS CLOTHING" etc...

Apple marches to it's own beat, and rumor sites just can seem to find the tune..... Nor will they

Apple uses the strategy of "talk less, so when you talk, it means more". Apple spends a long time developing its new products, much more than other companies, so when a new product finally comes out, people are ready to buy it.

On a side note, to the people who seem to think that Apple isn't truly focused on money, only bringing out the best products they can, I would like to point you to Snow Leopard. $30 for a patch, I don't think so. Snow Leopard was mainly just to get peoples' mind off of Windows 7.

As for me, I do not like either Apple or Microsoft. I like some of the products of both, whichever is best, because choosing the lesser product just because it is of the brand you want is the surest way to frustration.
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i KNOW!!! if it doesn't have a physical keyboard, it doesn't have a keyboard at all. this phone is such a useless piece of crap. i will wipe my ass with this phone and throw it at the wall. when will these people just give up and realize that the iPhone is the only true phone??

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Great. One troll gone, and another moves in to take his place. Do you post inflammatory remarks like this simply to derail the discussion?

Maybe g3pro is a certain T.Stud from a mirror universe.
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As for me, I do not like either Apple or Microsoft. I like some of the products of both, whichever is best, because choosing the lesser product just because it is of the brand you want is the surest way to frustration.

I would not say I don't like either of them. I like Apple, and I dislike Microsoft. But I use Windows 7 on my PC for gaming, and Macbook Aluminium for everything else. Like you said, choosing a lesser product purely on brand will result in frustration. I could have tried to game on a MacBook and I would have thrown it out the window. Conversely, trying to enjoy my daily digital life on Windows would probably lead me to Harakiri.

I've been using PDAs since the early 90's (a simple Sharp model), to the brilliant PalmPilot and Handspring, then cut my teeth in the mobile world on Nokias and Sony Ericsson. With the iPhone, once I started using it since August last year, everything just came together. iPod, phone, Internet, PDA. Sure the brand is appealing (suddenly Apple is super hip in the mobile market) but the iPhone, just works.
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Apple uses the strategy of "talk less, so when you talk, it means more". Apple spends a long time developing its new products, much more than other companies, so when a new product finally comes out, people are ready to buy it.

(sarcasm) Great observation jk

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As for me, I do not like either Apple or Microsoft. I like some of the products of both, whichever is best, because choosing the lesser product just because it is of the brand you want is the surest way to frustration.

You obviously enjoy Apple more, because your lingering around this forum (Unless your also on a spirited chat in the Windows blue screen of death forum rooms)
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edit: wow, what did extremeskater say to get banned?

Probably just a three-day time-out. He needed it. The way he behaves, however, I don't doubt it'll eventually be permanent. But here's hoping it'll do good. Always preferable to see a Troll turn into a meaningful contributor of whatever stripe.
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And what in the hell are "beautifying steroids?"

Digital Botox? Binary Surgery? Eloquent Implants? Flirty Firmware? Virtual Voluptuousness?
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I would not say I don't like either of them. I like Apple, and I dislike Microsoft. But I use Windows 7 on my PC for gaming, and Macbook Aluminium for everything else. Like you said, choosing a lesser product purely on brand will result in frustration. I could have tried to game on a MacBook and I would have thrown it out the window. Conversely, trying to enjoy my daily digital life on Windows would probably lead me to Harakiri.

I've been using PDAs since the early 90's (a simple Sharp model), to the brilliant PalmPilot and Handspring, then cut my teeth in the mobile world on Nokias and Sony Ericsson. With the iPhone, once I started using it since August last year, everything just came together. iPod, phone, Internet, PDA. Sure the brand is appealing (suddenly Apple is super hip in the mobile market) but the iPhone, just works.

I agree. The iPhone is a great cellphone and has a great OS. The main two problems I have with it is the network it is on, and that development is restricted to a Mac.
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The Android OS is actually free. Google makes money from ads within its services. Google makes money from its iPhone apps.

Google business model is very different from what MS has done with Windows.

Do any of the Android phones actually have ads in them? That would be weird. Is that happening yet?
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very original, google, keep up the good work

Yes, a touch interface so good they felt compelled to add a trackball

Much like Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize for simply not being Bush, Android is the current tech pundit gadget to be fawned over simply because it's not an iPhone.

As usual, the market will speak, and the pundits, bloggers and forum trolls will ignore or marginalize Apple's success.

Success which derives from one simple thing - focusing on the end user experience. Not on being "Open", having a gazillion manufacturers to choose from, or by having a longer checklist of features then their competitors (a trackball? Really?)

Until that happens, Apple has little to worry about from the "competitors"
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and that development is restricted to a Mac.

That's actually a benefit.

Why don't you go see how inefficient it is to develop for Symbian, Andriod, Windows/Windows Mobile, (If your a developer). If your approaching it from a user standpoint then good luck.

Don't fall into the pile of whiners who can't comprehend how the Apple Ecosystem is a better platform to create and to profit from.
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You cannot be any more wrong in your post. Most displays are horrible out in the direct sun. The iPhone and iPod displays are no exception. A display that is brighter than direct sunlight isn't something you'd want to look directly at anyway.

The Zune HD absolutely does not need a dark room to view. I have one and it's screen is magnificent in normal lighting. The OLED screen produces colors that are much more vibrant than other LED displays I can compared it to (my roommates' iPhones, for one). Pictures and video just look much better. In all light conditions. Except direct sunlight, where everything was washed out.

I feel like you got your information from that article that was released at AI attacking the Zune HD before it was released.

Actually multiple sights reported on the OLED washed out displays in direct sunlight. Engadget is unbiased and not a bunch of Apple fanboys. I'm not against the Zune HD, and if its display is superior in most lighting conditions then that's great. I'd like a device with an OLED for its other attribute (i.e. low power consumption).
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That's actually a benefit.

Why don't you go see how inefficient it is to develop for Symbian, Andriod, Windows/Windows Mobile, (If your a developer). If your approaching it from a user standpoint then good luck.

Don't fall into the pile of whiners who can't comprehend how the Apple Ecosystem is a better platform to create and to profit from.

I'm not saying its unfair, and I can definitely see where Apple comes from with this, but it's just a con for me.
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