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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

The trouble with a Nexus One, though, is that is will be an extremely high profile phone. Verizon or T-Mobile aren't going to be very happy with their "partner" selling phones that circumvent their data usage policies, and are likely to be keeping a very close eye on customers using such phones.

One of the worst things that could happen to any carrier is to get a whole bunch of unlocked phones on their network that invite intense data usage but don't pay for it. Which is why it's never going to happen.

Which is why, again, I don't see a huge upside to this model, or the whole geek fetish for unlocked phones (at least in America). All it gets you is the ability to switch from Verizon to T-Mobile and back whenever you want. You still pay the same monthly rates, and you don't get the subsidy. What is the advantage?

Back when I got my Ming:

1. It offered features that nobody had, and was the best Motorola phone for the money at the time. Nothing like it was in the US.
2. No stupid carrier branding or ringtones.
3. No stupid carrier pushing firmware updates to it to limit features. My previous phone lost the ability to properly bt its address books in bulk around a year after I got it. It allowed me to easily xfer my address book to another phone. Later on the feature disappeared. Hard reseting the phone didn't help.
4. They can't force a data plan on you, and the data plans that you can add are either cheaper than the usual $30 plans they throw at you for subsidized phones.

Just because it is unlocked and allows tethering doesn't mean much if you don't hit the data limit. On say T-Mobile which it is 10GB (and they only throttle you, not limit you). They still get the $30, and for twice the amount it costs from the old $15 Att media net plan, THEY BETTER allow a higher amount of data.

Don't do stupid stuff like P2P/bittorrent, run a server or try to use it 24/7 and stream continuously.

Here is also perhaps why I got away with tethering with an unlocked device: so few people do it or can do it so it doesn't cause an outright ban. It's only when everyone does it will it cause issues.

I've used 6GB of data on my home cable connection. That's 3 computers + VoIP. People who do that on a phone without tethering are crazy.

Oh, and you can really just easily switch from one SIM GSM provider to another. Getting an unlocked phone with CDMA makes much less sense, unless it is a super rare CDMA+GSM+WCDMA+HSDPA.
post #162 of 304
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Yes, a touch interface so good they felt compelled to add a trackball

Mmmm, HTC Hero has a trackball and it's very comfortable use it. Doesn't imply that the touch screen is bad as you're saying.

I like how can anyone can comment anything without knowing nothing about it.
post #163 of 304
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Spoken by someone that doesn't own one.



It doesn't have to be brighter if it's simply reflective, like the display in the iPhone. It's how it's readable an not totally washed out in full sunlight. Not ideal, but you can at least use it.



That's a pretty significant shortcoming unless you are going to stay indoors forever or only go outside at night or on a cloudy day. While I don't dispute OLED screens are gorgeous in subdued lighting, they are still pretty expensive and unless there has been a stealth update the blue still doesn't last that long causing some pretty bad color shifting over time.

Enjoy it while it lasts. When the technology has matured, you can guarantee Apple will adopt it - but certainly not to just be a checklist feature on some list.

Don't own one, but have used my 3 roommates' iPhones outdoors plenty of times. I have to turn the brightness all the way up or angle the screen a bit to keep it from being washed out. Usable, yes, but obviously not ideal if I have to do it all the time. The simplest thing is to obviously just give the screen some shade.

The point I wanted to make was that you're passing judgement on a new phone by looking at the first generation of passive-matrix OLEDs. The latest versions of AMOLEDs (for phones coming out in 2010 and I suspect the Google phone uses) have improved performance over the PMOLEDs. AMOLEDs use the same TFT technology that's in an LCD display to boost the brightness. There are a lot of pluses for AMOLEDs over traditional LCDs.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/oled3.htm

A video I found of a Samsung AMOLED screen. At the end, it shows off a bit of outdoor readability.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FICAHsE_enE

You may say "but that's not in direct sunlight!". Yes, it's not. It's essentially the equivalent of angling the screen away from direct sunlight. Something any normal person would do.

Also, seeing as how most people these days spend the majority of their days inside a building, the problem you raised suddenly doesn't become a crippling problem anymore. Combined with the much better outdoors performance now, AMOLEDs are pushing LCDs the way of CRTs.

As for the blue color degradation, the PMOLEDs do degrade over time, but I believe it was over the course of some 10 years or so. Chances are, you'll most likely have replaced your device with a new one long before you notice the problem. AMOLEDs do not have this problem to the same extent, or not at all. The "stealth upgrade" you call it has been done.

The latest versions of AMOLEDs are hardly a "checkmark feature" anymore.
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post #164 of 304
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If that's actually a shot of the final design of the real phone, the slight taper and silver bottom give it a 70's "modern" look, to me. Like a prop from Space: 1999. But who knows, maybe retro futuristic is the new brown.

The Google Phone, it's retro futuristic like poooo !!!!1!1!111!!!!1!!!
post #165 of 304
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

This phone is so stupid, it's just a copy off of the iPhone, which is the first cell phone invented.

It doesn't have the Apple AppStore, it doesn't have Safari Icon on the front screen, it doesn't have the Apple logo.

This phone is so stupid.

Ha ha. No way. Google gets the net and I think this is just the begining.

I think this is going to be huge. anTs nearing Ten year AT&T subscriber that jailbreaked his phone only a few months ago due to Apple pull GV mobile, I can say without a doubt, it rocks.*

Plus if you put the member on AT&T's A list, all call are free. How cool is that. Getting transcibed emails of voicemails, if you send someone to vm, you can listen in and jump on if you want. OT My dad still thinks voice mail is like an old fashioned awsering machine in that I can hear him. Anyone have family like that. Grin.*
Anyway, you can set up groups, make all phones ring if certain people call including landlines. You can send some right to voice mail. And GV Nobile is like 1/1000th of what you can if you jailbreak. *Ironically. If you unlock, it has a better resale Vaule then a two year old mbp, Apple did that we all the price cuts, dropping pro care tied to one to one and Pro training vs iLife, email Photo trauners now *all the pros are gone *geesg.*

There used to be a time you could buy a MacBook pro and get nearly the same price for it. *

Anyway, rambling. I think Googke knows what they are doing and will do very well and will give smart phones a new meaning changing graphic files on the fly, *PDFs without PDF reader like with preview, open pages and word docs *without the *app, will suprrutilize the name "Google" as eveyone knows it.

I say big DEAL deal *thev, with devolper likes those turned away and those that work for the app store. Of course it will play flash and that box so you can watch dvr programs on your phone and then some. Maybe Google/Samsung TV's, grin. No commercials and a musicstation with videos and indie bands. *

It's the future man. The network are toast. Plus google
really knows the web business model.

In time, we, the consumer, win. No wonder they never sold - think of the revenue they would make if they come up with a home page.
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post #166 of 304
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Quadra is anything but objective. And please don't try and subject your analysis on me. It just makes you sound like Quadra and the way it was phrased it was no joke. He compared the iPhone to Jesus. That is just wrong.

He needs help in a very serious way.






The Jesus phone was coined as a rumor from Ken podcast mac something. Used to be into it big time. Anyway the point is this ischia Apple gets FREE PR. they leak a rumor and it's talked about for weeks and weeks. It's apple spin machine leaking on purpose. This is why when a new rumor comes out BEFORE the holidays, it's squashed the next day directly from Apple as to not affect sales. Where is Phll the otherb1000'rumors.

Spin and free pr people. Take off the rose coloered glasses.
Same reason younsee something beating apple the next day there is a report on customervsatisfaction. Lol. So transparent.
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post #167 of 304
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I have a feeling that you deemed the iPhone a failure before it launched and have since claimed that it had finally reached its feasible EOL up to and including this day. Are you simply going to say its going to be a failure until your prophecy comes true? I assure you that both Apple and iPhone will fall at some point. It doesnt take one as logical as you to figure that out.


That makes sense when you have a mouse/trackpad and keyboard in front of you. Its a gimmick! Holding your arms up to use your computer as a touchscreen because its technical possible is not logical.


And I bet the next MBPs will still be dual-core because the dual-core 35W Core-i7 32nm Arrandales make more sense than the quad-core 45W Core-i7 45nm Clarksdales, but its my opinion that youll complaint that is cheating their customers out of two core
s.

iMacs. Desktops that are not upgradable are not desktops.
Apple needs A midrange machine for prosumer which far outweigh Pros. See Avid buys Maudio and pinnacle. apple needs to get on the ball forbthe up and coming musician, editor l, graphic artist. At the very least offer faster gpu, esata and express slots.

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post #168 of 304
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Originally Posted by just_a_guy View Post

First off it isn't the first phone ever, and secondly, the iphone just happened to be the first intuitive, and simple to use smart phone. I happen to think that one day someone will come out with a better product. The problem is that people are trying to make a better iphone instead of trying to make a better smartphone in general. I think there may be some better ways to make a smartphone then what apple has done, but that everyone seems to think that they need to improve on the iphone concept. That's where all companies fail.

well said actually. innovate don't imitate. iphone is by far the best smartphone for me but there are plenty of irritating things not to mention the choice and limitation of cell phone companies. The are plenty of possibilities for a competing but fundamentally different product. Well RIM already have one at least.

I prefer apple to my horrible windows machines but jeaz they get on my nerves sometimes. Pulling the firewire ports off the laptops and then just putting one on the 15" pro with no express slot. well done guys, plenty of musos will have to look elsewhere then.
post #169 of 304
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Dude innovation does happen by theft and with ingenuity. Just ask Steve Jobs who stole from XEROX.
FAIL

The Mac was already well under development.

Apple paid Xerox to visit PARC, mainly to get Steve on board. Funny definition of stealing if you pay for something.

You might want to get your fact straight before posting in the future.

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What completely new product has Apple invented? Zero. They just improve on products that already exist in one form or another.
You might also want to brush up on your logic and critical thinking. Xerox had potential products, but they failed to have the ability to turn them into something commercially viable. Having an idea is not innovation. Making something of it is. Until you grasp that simple nuance, you will continue to be frustrated in your lack of understanding of Apple's continued success.

Nobody creates in a vacuum.

Apple does take a product area where they see room for improvement and go into that market if it's within their core competency. And they're good at it because they choose their fights very carefully and don't spread themselves too thinly.

They aren't perfect.

But the iPhone? When it was launched? Blew the competition in smart phones out the water. The 1st useable internet phone/browser/smartphone...integrated with best in class mp3 player. Apple went in...and swept all players away. It's only a matter of time before Apple chase down Nokia in unit sales.

They made a few 'mistakes' along the way. eg Pricing of iPHone was horrendous to start with, and single carrier exclusives and no 3G. However, the exclusivity thing allowed them the 'control' Apple need to make a product. Now they've got the kinks ironed out in the product, SDK, app store, 3G they've opened it up to software developers, made it cheaper and offered it to more carriers and countries. The 3GS iPhone is the ultimate in smartphones to me. The rest seem very 'me too' despite their hype, palm, droid and the vapour ware M$ phone.

Google. Yeah. Some may say they're a 'snake in the grass' (yeah, one of your primary competitors sitting on the board...not sure how that works...) But who cares? If they are to mobile and web computing like M$ was and is to desktops? Are we worried? I use Google's search engine. That's all. Anything else they do? Anything great? Gmail? Don't use it. Use Yahoo. Free apps? Don't use them. Use Apple's apps. Interface? Hmm. Seem like cheap ass M$ copy interfaces to me. I like Apple's interfaces. Simpler and more intuitive.

Google phone? Is it here yet? Competition? Bring it on. It's not like Apple like's sitting still. I think they have their answer ready and waiting. Apple knows how to compete in their new arena of consumer electronics. They have nearly 300 Apple stores and counting. They have carriers. They are getting MORE carriers on board. Hell. They even have Tesco on board in the UK. Carphone warehouse. 02. Orange. And Vodaphone soon probably. So, if you want an iPhone, it's not like you can't get one.

Will the Google phone have a better interface? I doubt it but we'll see. Being a 'good copy' won't be enough. Will they have an app store of 100K and counting apps? Will it be easy to develop for with it's hundreds of different models? Will it be as intuitive? Faster? Easier to use? Have more games? And even if they pull level or SOMEHOW get ahead. How much ahead will a fractured eco system be?

Apple can do VOIP if they want to. Apple are building a data centre. I wouldn't rule Apple ultimately buying out ATT or doing their own 'cloud pipe' over the internet. It's not like Apple aren't aware of these issues.

This isn't the Apple of the early 1990s. They aren't asleep. They have Steve Jobs. They a great executive team who performed very well in Steve's absence. These 'me too' phones have the benefit of being 'new' then what do they do? They gain little traction because they are far behind. Physical k'boards are so 20th century. 30 apps in your app store is so smartphones last century. Have clunky interfaces that don't work or 'novelty' touch that doesn't work. So last century.

Apple lets them fire their ammo'. 2010 is just around the corner. And yet another iPhone update will be upon us.

People seem to forget...the iPhone is Apple's 1st foray into smartphones. Yep. First. And they went in as a 'software platform'. That's what alot of the other guys just don't get. Apple dropped a mountain on them with tehat paradigm shift. That's why Nokia are gurning. They got outcompeted in 2 years. Nokia sat on their Phone market for 20 years. Apple's going to improve the iPhone. I'd expect 200K plus apps at the store soon. I'd expect a price shave if any nearly serious competition turns up. I'd expect more carriers. I'd expect a hardware 'redesign' aka slimmer iPhone this year. And I think an iPhone 'nano' may...just be in the works...but she's keeping very quiet... Apple's only just getting started.

And let us not forget 'the beast' (slate) and 'another' (nano) they will compound the competition's fears. The 'slate' is a casual computing iPhone/iPod touch. Selling 4 million of them a year is only going to add to the iPHONE OS PLATFORM (which adds to the Mac Os X platform...)

Apple. Ready and waiting with the chainsaw.

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #170 of 304
Competition is good. It seems to bring out the best in some and the worst in others.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #171 of 304
January? Just in time to be upstaged by the Apple Kindle-killer?
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Apple is DOOMED!

A few of the computer companies/offerings since 1976:

•Cromemco•TRS-80•Apple I•Commodore Pet•IBM PC•Apple ///
•Sinclair•Grid•Ohio Scientific•Apple Lisa•Smoke Signal Broadcasting
•NorthStar•Altair•Apple ][•Corvus Concept•Osborne•Atari•PolyMorphic•IMSAI
•Kentucky Fried Computers•Apple Macintosh•SouthWest Technical Products
HP•CompaQ•IBM PC/jr•ProcessorTech•DEC•Data General•PDP•Xerox Alto•

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated-- Mark Twain

On the whole, I would rather be living in Philadelphia-- W. C. Fields ephitaph

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January? Just in time to be upstaged by the Apple Kindle-killer?

Yep, and congratulating themselves into the bargain.

I just don't know where Google's going or think they're going with this strategy.

I can understand young, testosterone-fuelled nerds liking this - hell, there are enough of them on this blog never mind the blogosphere... but multi-billionaire pioneering industrialists with the world at their feet in their core business?

And with Microsoft's example before them as a masterclass case to understudy, you'd think that Google would resist the megalomaniac urge to have a finger in every pie and try to be "all things to all men".

I hope they don't end up spreading themselves too thin, because Microsoft is still eminently capable of puncturing holes in their advertising and software infrastructure - an outcome that the computing industry does not need now or at any time in the future.

For all their well-funded boyish experimentation, Google is doing a lot of good in the open-source and non-proprietary, standards-based web software movement. They should stick to their core competencies and avoid fostering deep divisions in that section of the industry.
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January? Just in time to be upstaged by the Apple Kindle-killer?

Which Kindle killer? And what has to do one phone with Android with Kindle or a future Apple tablet?
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it looks a lot like the iphone
very original, google, keep up the good work

It doesn't need to be original. As long as it's better or the same it will keep Apple on its toes.

I've managed to stay away from an iPhone for this long and I'll continue to do so until maybe the summer 2010 iteration.
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apple is doomed!

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Great. One troll gone, and another moves in to take his place. Do you post inflammatory remarks like this simply to derail the discussion?

WHO got banned ?? STUD ??
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WHO got banned ?? STUD ??

I think so
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

Nobody creates in a vacuum.

They aren't perfect.
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Apple can do VOIP if they want to. Apple are building a data centre. I wouldn't rule Apple ultimately buying out ATT or doing their own 'cloud pipe' over the internet. It's not like Apple aren't aware of these issues.

Apple lets them fire their ammo'. 2010 is just around the corner. And yet another iPhone update will be upon us.

Apple. Ready and waiting with the chainsaw.

Lemon Bon Bon.

An innocuous development in the UK leads me to wonder what form or forms the "chainsaw" will take when it fires up and starts its "Texas Massacre" - a shopping mall chain, Tesco, has started to offer the iPhone on various cost-competitive plans as a MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) which buys its "air-time" off the various networks and sells it on.

Now, when the rumours of the imminent arrival of the iPhone started to gather strength, a lot of tech pundits were suggesting the MVNO approach as the way Apple would market the iPhone. But when you think about it, the partnership with the various carriers and telcos in the 80-odd countries the iPhone now has a presence in was the right way forward, to build a name and a solid reputation for their fledgling offering (yes, this is Apple's first foray into the mobile handset sector, hard though that is to believe).

However, now that the Phone marque is established and a household name, the issue of network exclusivity as a factor hindering even better sales of the iPhone can be addressed via the MVNO (+ VoIP?) route, and Apple would do well to monitor the fortunes of Tesco to see if this is a way forward.

That would appear to be the case with the rumours of in-house massive datacentre building, purchasing of data streaming expertise (Lala), the addition of video creation (3G S, Nano) editing and streaming (3G & 3G S) capabilities to the iPod and iPhone range.

Exciting times ahead, that's for sure. Careful with that chainsaw, Eugene...
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Just as there is a species of Apple fandom that leads certain people to say foolish, objectively insupportable things (or to brandish opinion and preference as fact), there is a species of bitter Apple resentment that leads certain people to say foolish, objectively insupportable things (or to brandish opinion and preference as fact).

The amusing part is that the latter attempt to belittle the former by turning up their foolish and insupportable to 11.

off topic

old apple story circa 1996

i used get on my mac at times a frozen screen with the message

error type 11

and i would of course >> type 11 <<<

how far and how high  has come since those bygone days of being an  outcast and having 3 SW titles to my name and having the whole wintel world laff at me . and installing 16 numbered floppy discs to back up my bosses records. I even quit a $1200 a week job because they forced a wintel data losing machine on me.

and now all of us apple fans are so spoiled rotten with tons of great APPLE goodies LIKE MBP with 2 gpu chips and playing great movies on my 160g i pod classic while riding the one train .

and we all some how sweat a mis guided badly designed crap phone created by a one trick pony search engine company.

yes the times are a changing
and APPLE co. IS FLYING SKY HIGH

i wonder what google wiil respond with when the NANO phone comes out ??
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An innocuous development in the UK leads me to wonder what form or forms the "chainsaw" will take when it fires up and starts its "Texas Massacre" - a shopping mall chain, Tesco, has started to offer the iPhone on various cost-competitive plans as a MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) which buys and its "air-time" off the various networks and sells it on.

Now, when the rumours of the imminent arrival of the iPhone started to gather strength, a lot of tech pundits were suggesting the MVNO approach as the way Apple would market the iPhone. But when you think about it, the partnership with the various carriers and telcos in the 80-odd countries the iPhone now has a presence in was the right way forward, to build a name and a solid reputation for their fledgling offering (yes, this is Apple's first foray into the mobile handset sector, hard though that is to believe).

However, now that the Phone marque is established and a household name, the issue of network exclusivity as a factor hindering even better sales of the iPhone can be addressed via the MVNO (+ VoIP?) route, and Apple would do well to monitor the fortunes of Tesco to see if this is a way forward.

That would appear to be the case with the rumours of in-house massive datacentre building, purchasing of data streaming expertise (Lala), the addition of video creation (3G S, Nano) editing and video streaming (3G & 3G S) capabilities to the iPod and iPhone range.

Exciting times ahead, that's for sure. Careful with that Axe, Eugene...

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apple owns MVNO patents . and the server farms with MVNO >>NANO PHONE tech is that loud rumble we hear coming down the train tracks .A cheap low power cloud attached apple nano phone w/ carrier less apple as gatekeeper will sell over 500 million units in 7n yrs . MVNO is great for the whole world . ITS very green in that it uses under utilized phone/data time and sells it back to us on the cheap .maybe even less towers and less fiber to be lighted .

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apple is doomed!

lol...
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Ha ha. No way. Google gets the net and I think this is just the begining.

I think this is going to be huge. anTs nearing Ten year AT&T subscriber that jailbreaked his phone only a few months ago due to Apple pull GV mobile, I can say without a doubt, it rocks.*

Plus if you put the member on AT&T's A list, all call are free. How cool is that. Getting transcibed emails of voicemails, if you send someone to vm, you can listen in and jump on if you want. OT My dad still thinks voice mail is like an old fashioned awsering machine in that I can hear him. Anyone have family like that. Grin.*
Anyway, you can set up groups, make all phones ring if certain people call including landlines. You can send some right to voice mail. And GV Nobile is like 1/1000th of what you can if you jailbreak. *Ironically. If you unlock, it has a better resale Vaule then a two year old mbp, Apple did that we all the price cuts, dropping pro care tied to one to one and Pro training vs iLife, email Photo trauners now *all the pros are gone *geesg.*

There used to be a time you could buy a MacBook pro and get nearly the same price for it. *

Anyway, rambling. I think Googke knows what they are doing and will do very well and will give smart phones a new meaning changing graphic files on the fly, *PDFs without PDF reader like with preview, open pages and word docs *without the *app, will suprrutilize the name "Google" as eveyone knows it.

I say big DEAL deal *thev, with devolper likes those turned away and those that work for the app store. Of course it will play flash and that box so you can watch dvr programs on your phone and then some. Maybe Google/Samsung TV's, grin. No commercials and a musicstation with videos and indie bands. *

It's the future man. The network are toast. Plus google
really knows the web business model.

In time, we, the consumer, win. No wonder they never sold - think of the revenue they would make if they come up with a home page.
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My first post here. Entertaining discussion. I think this thing has potential, whether it will be realized or not I have no idea. Just by of context, I don't have an iphone but will be in the market for one when my contract expires in a few months. I hope that if google is going to do this it gets released in january so that I can see the offering in the market for a few months before making my decision on which phone to get.

I think the competition is good, for everybody. Rather than proclaiming the google offering as junk, I think that folks should hope that it is a winner---that someone offers something that provides a realistic alternative to the iphone. It makes Apple better, it gives all of us more choices.

So I'm in wait and see mode. I suspect that I will be getting that iPhone, but there is part of me that hopes that I won't be.
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My first post here. Entertaining discussion. I think this thing has potential, whether it will be realized or not I have no idea. Just by of context, I don't have an iphone but will be in the market for one when my contract expires in a few months. I hope that if google is going to do this it gets released in january so that I can see the offering in the market for a few months before making my decision on which phone to get.

I think the competition is good, for everybody. Rather than proclaiming the google offering as junk, I think that folks should hope that it is a winner---that someone offers something that provides a realistic alternative to the iphone. It makes Apple better, it gives all of us more choices.

So I'm in wait and see mode. I suspect that I will be getting that iPhone, but there is part of me that hopes that I won't be.

i agree, especially considering all the junk out there that is almost impossible to sync... those so called smartphones make their respective owners sick... and those will most likely think that iphones & android phones are just as bad...!
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Quadra is anything but objective. And please don't try and subject your analysis on me. It just makes you sound like Quadra and the way it was phrased it was no joke. He compared the iPhone to Jesus. That is just wrong. He needs help in a very serious way.

Your opinion only.

To me, comparing the iPhone to Jesus is kinda funny, being as for me Jesus is a mythical creature in the same category as Unicorns and Santa Claus.

It would only be "wrong" in the context of an insult or personal attack or if he was purposely making said comment to be intolerant of others. He obviously was not. As others have mentioned he was referencing the whole "Jesus Phone" thing, which is a fairly long-running meme at this point and totally fair game.

I don't actually agree with Quadra on a lot of things, but as I pointed out, he is arguing what he believes and doing it at least in this column based on facts and evidence. It's *you* that's been peppering the list with your "feelings" and a lot of unsupported hyperbole.

At least this time, he is right, and you are wrong.
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Would you accept a posting from the forum?

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_by_2012.html

If not, I can pull up many other postings. ....

Dude.

What you are pointing to here actually back up my argument. Note the highlighted terms.

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... (Analyst) Ken Dulaney, ... said he believes the iPhone will maintain its No. 3 overall smartphone position ... while he expects Android to grow in leaps and bounds ...
The forecast ...

This is what you have equated to "most analysts agree ... (that) Android will overtake iPhone next year."

These are unsupported generalised predictions or forecasts by some analysts based on the numbers we have now and the statements of industry executives. You are completely wrong to make out like it's a "fact" that Android will overtake iPhone next year and that "most analysts" agree with that.

If you didn't use hyperbole all the time, people might agree with you more.
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Would you accept a posting from the forum?

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_by_2012.html

If not, I can pull up many other postings.

That doesn't include Search, Music, Video, Books and everything else Google has their hands into these days.

Accept it, or follow Quadra's theory. Although looking at both postins I'd say you were born form the same Apple seed.

Does this include the iPod touch? Comparing the iPhone (hardware) and Android (software) is a moot point. Comparing iPhone OS and Android, then you have to include the iPod touch since it also runs iPhone os. Putting Android on multiple devices then obviously it is going to overtake the iPhone in marketshare. Compare apples to apples.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Yeah don't they all look really excited in that picture.

if I had to sit through another PC event that was just another reversed engineered rehashed "let's see how we can beat apple" and not provide any real substance....and especially if Steve Ballmer was there...
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Originally Posted by snookie View Post

it is amusing that people seem to think because everyone and their brother is announcing Android phones that sheer numbers will overwhelm the iPhone. Didn't work for Windows Mobile or Blackberry who had many years head start. Maybe the day will come when Android is as good as the iPhone OS/hardware combination but it's going to be awhile yet before we see that, if ever.

Looking at the Droid sales, which you astutely point out has some major downfalls, I think its quite possible that Android OS on a phone can overtake iPhone OS in marketshare in 2010. There are just to many options for cheap ass phone vendors to use their software across every carrier. RiM is the only BB OS user and MS licensed WinMo so their headstart isnt like what Google is doing with a free, modern OS with 15k+ apps.


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I prefer apple to my horrible windows machines but jeaz they get on my nerves sometimes. Pulling the firewire ports off the laptops and then just putting one on the 15" pro with no express slot. well done guys, plenty of musos will have to look elsewhere then.

They do some wonky things but the FireWire issue is not one of them. They never had FW800 on their MacBook line. They removed the obsolescing FW400 port interface and only went with the FW800 port interface. All MBPs have FW800.

Personally, Id like to see another USB on the MacBook before I see FW800. That class machine is much more likely to use USB peripherals than FW. Im hoping that Apple added USB3.0 to their Macs next time around but Im not holding my breath.


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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Dude.
What you are pointing to here actually back up my argument. Note the highlighted terms.
This is what you have equated to "most analysts agree ... (that) Android will overtake iPhone next year.
These are unsupported generalised predictions or forecasts by some analysts based on the numbers we have now and the statements of industry executives. You are completely wrong to make out like it's a "fact" that Android will overtake iPhone next year and that "most analysts" agree with that.
If you didn't use hyperbole all the time, people might agree with you more.

Game, set, match.

PS: Why hasnt AgnusYoung been banned yet? He seems to be trying to get himself kicked off.
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if I had to sit through another PC event that was just another reversed engineered rehashed "let's see how we can beat apple" and not provide any real substance....and especially if Steve Ballmer was there...

Gotta love the rationale. Surely they cant be bored with the material being presented to them or that its 7am or some or some other factor. It must be that they hate their Macs.
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Looking at the Droid sales, which you astutely point out has some major downfalls, I think its quite possible that Android OS on a phone can overtake iPhone OS in marketshare in 2010. There are just to many options for cheap ass phone vendors to use their software across every carrier. RiM is the only BB OS user and MS licensed WinMo so their headstart isnt like what Google is doing with a free, modern OS with 15k+ apps.



They do some wonky things but the FireWire issue is not one of them. They never had FW800 on their MacBook line. They removed the obsolescing FW400 port interface and only went with the FW800 port interface. All MBPs have FW800.

Personally, Id like to see another USB on the MacBook before I see FW800. That class machine is much more likely to use USB peripherals than FW. Im hoping that Apple added USB3.0 to their Macs next time around but Im not holding my breath.



Game, set, match.

PS: Why hasnt AgnusYoung been banned yet? He seems to be trying to get himself kicked off.

Apparently I need "counselling" because a certain someone doesn't get the idea of Identity of Relation (between any two ordered pairs), or more broadly and even more appropriate to my example, simple Shared Abstraction. It seems this individual was convinced that I thought the iPhone turned water into wine. Well, it doesn't.

That feature is being added in June.
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iMacs. Desktops that are not upgradable are not desktops.

P.

By whose definition? The iMac has always been classified offically as a desktop.
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So is the included picture actually supposed to be very close to the handset they're distributing? The HTC passion isn't that great in looks, even if you tweaked it.

The iPhone may not really be that beautiful, but the included pic in this article certainly looks like nothing particularly beautiful either.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Apparently I need "counselling" because a certain someone doesn't get the idea of Identity of Relation (between any two ordered pairs), or more broadly and even more appropriate to my example, simple Shared Abstraction. It seems this individual was convinced that I thought the iPhone turned water into wine. Well, it doesn't.

That feature is being added in June.

You mean there isnt an app for that?
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Very astute. The media is just trying to create news. It doesn't make sense that Google would come out with it's own branded phone. That would turn off other hardware manufacturers, and perhaps encourage them to consider other operating system alternatives. Google is trying to sell ads not, hardware. If anything, HTC will market this phone in it's own name.

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I'm not seeing where any of this adds up to "Google phones", which is a term the article simply applies without credible reason.

What Google has actually said is that they're handing out HTC handsets to use as a testbed for new software features. That's it. Somehow we go from there to turning these HTC handsets into the fabled "Google phone", despite there being no evidence of that. At all.

I'm sure the HTC handsets are the latest and greatest, but things like OLED screens and Snapdragon processors aren't the result of Google magic, and there was no reason not to expect HTC to do anything but offer such hardware at some point.
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No, that's perhaps because you were talking to a Verizon rep. The 3GS does voice dialing (and more). (And FWIW, I doubt the 3GS has the horsepower to support accurate dictation.)

Dragon Dictation. I am using it right now. It works beautifully and integrates with email and SMS smoothly and the rest of the OS via the clipboard.
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Dragon Dictation. I am using it right now. It works beautifully and integrates with email and SMS smoothly and the rest of the OS via the clipboard.

Dragon Dictation is impressive but what Foo2 states is correct. The app works by sending your audio to their servers and then returning with text.
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No, that's perhaps because you were talking to a Verizon rep. The 3GS does voice dialing (and more). (And FWIW, I doubt the 3GS has the horsepower to support accurate dictation.)

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Dragon Dictation is impressive but what Foo2 states is correct. The app works by sending your audio to their servers and then returning with text.

That I didn't know. The latency is short so to the user (me) it seems like local horsepower is doing the work. This would be a problem in an area of sketchy service. I stand corrected.
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How did it set a standard for web browsing? All it showed is that as usual Apple fanatics are just that even when it comes to browsing the web all day long. The success of the iPhone is also going to be its downfall. ATT is already considering putting a cap on data plans if if Apple can only go to TMobile in the US after that the iPhone is going to make a great door stop.

Carriers aren't going to put millions into their network just because iPhone users don't have a life and do nothing but surf the web all day long. When they start putting limits on usage its going to kill the iPhone. TMobile can barely handle what that have now and Verizon wants nothing to do with this mess.

The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.

Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.

Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.

They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?

My Macbook Major
My iPhone Major
My iMac Major Not even viruses
My i-experience deep joy
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That I didn't know. The latency is short so to the user (me) it seems like local horsepower is doing the work. This would be a problem in an area of sketchy service. I stand corrected.

The uproar this app created was that it grabs your contact names and uploads them to their servers under an anonymous profile tied to your devices ID. This way anytime you read off one of those names it can correctly send back the name spelled correctly. They get no other info than the names; no email address, no phone numbers, nothing. If you look at the reviews there are 1300 last time I checked) of 1 start ratings because of this server-side transcription. Its quite silly.
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