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Originally Posted by anantksundaram 
Apple is DOOMED!
Apple is DOOMED!
Might as well shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders.
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12/12/09 at 3:01pm
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12/12/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by addabox
Yeah. The iPhone is insignificant. Just another smart phone. Didn't shake up the industry at all.
You actually don't know anything about technology outside of your contempt for Apple, do you? Jesus, and you want to lecture people about "credibility"? You're a joke.
Yeah. The iPhone is insignificant. Just another smart phone. Didn't shake up the industry at all.
You actually don't know anything about technology outside of your contempt for Apple, do you? Jesus, and you want to lecture people about "credibility"? You're a joke.
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone. Didn't cure cancer the last time I checked. If you put any more value on a cellphone you are the joke not me.
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12/12/09 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
The same ones the iPhone brought us a year earlier, but without the great OS and robust App Store.
The same ones the iPhone brought us a year earlier, but without the great OS and robust App Store.
Mmm, where I can activate 3rd party apps multitasking and local notifications? I didn't know that last year iPhone OS 2.x released it. Damm, a year with my 3G and without notifications and couldn't use Spotify in the background because I didn't know I could configure it.
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12/12/09 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by MacTel
So OLED seems to be the rage, but reviews of the Zune HD state that it is awful out in the sun. You need to be in low lit rooms to really appreciate the technology. Is there any hope for OLED screens in holding up better in light similar to LCDs?
So OLED seems to be the rage, but reviews of the Zune HD state that it is awful out in the sun. You need to be in low lit rooms to really appreciate the technology. Is there any hope for OLED screens in holding up better in light similar to LCDs?
You cannot be any more wrong in your post. Most displays are horrible out in the direct sun. The iPhone and iPod displays are no exception. A display that is brighter than direct sunlight isn't something you'd want to look directly at anyway.
The Zune HD absolutely does not need a dark room to view. I have one and it's screen is magnificent in normal lighting. The OLED screen produces colors that are much more vibrant than other LED displays I can compared it to (my roommates' iPhones, for one). Pictures and video just look much better. In all light conditions. Except direct sunlight, where everything was washed out.
I feel like you got your information from that article that was released at AI attacking the Zune HD before it was released.
\Apple has always had competition. It's just been in its blind spot.
\Apple has always had competition. It's just been in its blind spot.
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12/12/09 at 3:21pm
I've been using a G1 for some time, primarily because I have a cheap data/voice plan through TMobile.
The voice recognition app is miserable, it takes about 10 seconds to fire up, and immediately says "input not recognized"
I also love the comments on the phone stating it'll work on ATT & TMobile's 3G networks, yeah, I have to see that. Kudos if they have done it, but we'd know if someone had a chipset that covered ALL the frequencies for GSM.
The only network that encourages the use of an unsubsidized phone is TMobile, with slightly reduced rates for a non subsidized phone contract or a non contract line of service.
While I applaud Google attempting to make the wireless carriers dumb pipes, it's going to be very difficult to make their idea work. Verizon/ATT/Sprint are going to go with a non subsidized/captive model shortly after hell freezes over.
The voice recognition app is miserable, it takes about 10 seconds to fire up, and immediately says "input not recognized"
I also love the comments on the phone stating it'll work on ATT & TMobile's 3G networks, yeah, I have to see that. Kudos if they have done it, but we'd know if someone had a chipset that covered ALL the frequencies for GSM.
The only network that encourages the use of an unsubsidized phone is TMobile, with slightly reduced rates for a non subsidized phone contract or a non contract line of service.
While I applaud Google attempting to make the wireless carriers dumb pipes, it's going to be very difficult to make their idea work. Verizon/ATT/Sprint are going to go with a non subsidized/captive model shortly after hell freezes over.
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12/12/09 at 3:26pm
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I'm not seeing where any of this adds up to "Google phones", which is a term the article simply applies without credible reason.
What Google has actually said is that they're handing out HTC handsets to use as a testbed for new software features. That's it. Somehow we go from there to turning these HTC handsets into the fabled "Google phone", despite there being no evidence of that. At all.
I'm sure the HTC handsets are the latest and greatest, but things like OLED screens and Snapdragon processors aren't the result of Google magic, and there was no reason not to expect HTC to do anything but offer such hardware at some point.
I'm not seeing where any of this adds up to "Google phones", which is a term the article simply applies without credible reason.
What Google has actually said is that they're handing out HTC handsets to use as a testbed for new software features. That's it. Somehow we go from there to turning these HTC handsets into the fabled "Google phone", despite there being no evidence of that. At all.
I'm sure the HTC handsets are the latest and greatest, but things like OLED screens and Snapdragon processors aren't the result of Google magic, and there was no reason not to expect HTC to do anything but offer such hardware at some point.
Excellent post.
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Originally Posted by Gwydion
Early builds of HTC Android 2.1 ROM's for the Hero has been leaked, so your point makes more sense
Early builds of HTC Android 2.1 ROM's for the Hero has been leaked, so your point makes more sense
I was reading about that and thinking back to this thread.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
I have been reading about the Pixel Qi displays. They appear to have several advantages over OLED.
1) lower cost
2) lower power
3) both ePaper, and color video
4) can be used in bright sunlight as well as controlled light (outside and inside)
5) uses existing technologies rather developing/implementing new "molecules" from the ground up and new manufacturing lines to produce them
6) can be built with existing LCD manufacturing infrastructure-- further reducing costs and creating very small manufacturing ramp-up time (months instead of years).
I have been reading about the Pixel Qi displays. They appear to have several advantages over OLED.
1) lower cost
2) lower power
3) both ePaper, and color video
4) can be used in bright sunlight as well as controlled light (outside and inside)
5) uses existing technologies rather developing/implementing new "molecules" from the ground up and new manufacturing lines to produce them
6) can be built with existing LCD manufacturing infrastructure-- further reducing costs and creating very small manufacturing ramp-up time (months instead of years).
Is anything currently using them now? Apple is often first to use a tech, just first to go all in and make it the new standard. Do you think this is viable for the iDevices being released starting next summer? What about for the mythical tablet since you mention ePaper? What are the drawback?
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
post #52 of 336
12/12/09 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone. Didn't cure cancer the last time I checked. If you put any more value on a cellphone you are the joke not me.
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone. Didn't cure cancer the last time I checked. If you put any more value on a cellphone you are the joke not me.
Taking a discussions about phones you are part of and then saying it doesnt cure cancer has got to be a variance of Godwins Law. If you really think that discussing tech and having a well thought position as to why one brand is better than another is so lowly then why are you even here engaging in the discussion and not trying to cure cancer.
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post #53 of 336
12/12/09 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone. Didn't cure cancer the last time I checked. If you put any more value on a cellphone you are the joke not me.
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone. Didn't cure cancer the last time I checked. If you put any more value on a cellphone you are the joke not me.
No, all it did was set the standard in web browsing, integration and ease of use for the laymen.
You know how imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? As in the Google Phone, the Windows phone, Nokia's "attempts" at trying to make an interface that doesn't need a stylus (that N900 doesn't have a capacitive screen - FAIL).
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12/12/09 at 3:46pm
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Excellent post.
I was reading about that and thinking back to this thread.
Is anything currently using them now? Apple is often first to use a tech, just first to go all in and make it the new standard. Do you think this is viable for the iDevices being released starting next summer? What about for the mythical tablet since you mention ePaper? What are the drawback?
Excellent post.
I was reading about that and thinking back to this thread.
Is anything currently using them now? Apple is often first to use a tech, just first to go all in and make it the new standard. Do you think this is viable for the iDevices being released starting next summer? What about for the mythical tablet since you mention ePaper? What are the drawback?
Go to YouTube and search Pixel Qi
There are quite a few videos. There are demos, discussions about manufacturing, costs and side-by-side comparisons with Kindle and a $2,000 laptop.
Some points covered:
-- their screen concept is based on what was used in the OLPC
-- they bought a bunch of Acer laptops and drop-in replaced the Acer LCD screen with their 1st batch of screens of a test run production line
-- they claim they can ramp up to volume production in 6 months (OLED technology has been around for 20 years and requires special new production facilities)
-- they plan to support DYI drop-in replacement of existing LCDs
-- they suggest that the cost of a netbook class computer will be $200 for the whole computer including their display
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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
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12/12/09 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone.
I agree in the scope of things the iPhone is just a phone.
In terms of the totality of Life, yes LOL. but in terms of tech and the way we use tech to enhacne our lives, hardly.
The iPhone is much more than "just a phone." The Nokia 1200 is also "just a phone" but is as far from the iPhone as a hawk from the moon. This "just a phone" singlehandedly destroyed all of Microsoft's mobile developemnt for the last deacde. Windows Mobile is but a faint memory now, totally buried, with a typical MS promise of something released sometime in late 2010. LOL. And the iPhone is the SOLE REASON the smartphone landscape looks the way it does today. All those winderful HTC products, Android, the rumoured "Google Phone", the Droid, the Pre . . . all of that, exists today thanks to the iPhone and Apple's vision.
Put very simply, the iPhone is to the mobile industry what Jesus was to the Apostles. No joke.
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12/12/09 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by sprockkets
No, all it did was set the standard in web browsing, integration and ease of use for the laymen.
You know how imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? As in the Google Phone, the Windows phone, Nokia's "attempts" at trying to make an interface that doesn't need a stylus (that N900 doesn't have a capacitive screen - FAIL).
No, all it did was set the standard in web browsing, integration and ease of use for the laymen.
You know how imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? As in the Google Phone, the Windows phone, Nokia's "attempts" at trying to make an interface that doesn't need a stylus (that N900 doesn't have a capacitive screen - FAIL).
How did it set a standard for web browsing? All it showed is that as usual Apple fanatics are just that even when it comes to browsing the web all day long. The success of the iPhone is also going to be its downfall. ATT is already considering putting a cap on data plans if if Apple can only go to TMobile in the US after that the iPhone is going to make a great door stop.
Carriers aren't going to put millions into their network just because iPhone users don't have a life and do nothing but surf the web all day long. When they start putting limits on usage its going to kill the iPhone. TMobile can barely handle what that have now and Verizon wants nothing to do with this mess.
The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.
Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
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12/12/09 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
In terms of the totality of Life, yes LOL. but in terms of tech and the way we use tech to enhacne our lives, hardly.
The iPhone is much more than "just a phone." The Nokia 1200 is also "just a phone" but is as far from the iPhone as a hawk from the moon. This "just a phone" singlehandedly destroyed all of Microsoft's mobile developemnt for the last deacde. Windows Mobile is but a faint memory now, totally buried, with a typical MS promise of something released sometime in late 2010. LOL. And the iPhone is the SOLE REASON the smartphone landscape looks the way it does today. All those winderful HTC products, Android, the rumoured "Google Phone", the Droid, the Pre . . . all of that, exists today thanks to the iPhone and Apple's vision.
Put very simply, the iPhone is to the mobile industry what Jesus was to the Apostles. No joke.
In terms of the totality of Life, yes LOL. but in terms of tech and the way we use tech to enhacne our lives, hardly.
The iPhone is much more than "just a phone." The Nokia 1200 is also "just a phone" but is as far from the iPhone as a hawk from the moon. This "just a phone" singlehandedly destroyed all of Microsoft's mobile developemnt for the last deacde. Windows Mobile is but a faint memory now, totally buried, with a typical MS promise of something released sometime in late 2010. LOL. And the iPhone is the SOLE REASON the smartphone landscape looks the way it does today. All those winderful HTC products, Android, the rumoured "Google Phone", the Droid, the Pre . . . all of that, exists today thanks to the iPhone and Apple's vision.
Put very simply, the iPhone is to the mobile industry what Jesus was to the Apostles. No joke.
Lets make this simple. What can the iPHone do that other smartphones like the Blackberry and Droid can't? Lets get past this feel good shit you talk about, what real function can it do that other smartphones can't? The fact is the answer is nothing. In fact most smartphones are more productive for business then the iPhone. Not to mention while the iPhone makes a great browser it pretty much sucks as a phone.
Lets not try to bring this back to MS, this is about the other leaders in the smartphone world.
I have never said the iPhone isn't a good products however it has nothing over other smartphones in terms of real life daily functions. Clearly based on data numbers most are just using it as a web browser. Which is why ATT is going to start putting a cap on that. If ATT starts to cap iPhone data and Apple has to go to lousy TMobile you are going to see iPhone sale drop like a rock because the web surfing addicts are going to have their unlimited crack taken away.
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12/12/09 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.
Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.
Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
iPods, nothing major. Macbook Air, only the notebook everyone and their dog is copying. iMac, nothing, etc., etc.
And that "iPhone has peaked" bit of delusion is just too precious not to iCal.
Apple is really the ONLY ONE that is doing anything desirable and impressive in tech, bar none, and it's been this way for years now. Apple does, the others follow.
Nope, nothing major . . .
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12/12/09 at 4:04pm
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How did it set a standard for web browsing?
How did it set a standard for web browsing?
With less than 1% of the handset installed base Apple has over 50% of the mobile browser market. On top of that Nokia, Google, Palm and others use the Apple funded WebKit which was specifically designed to work well as on a mobile platform. Opera has a competent mobile browser but with a horrible JS engine and iris had the first mobile browser, based on WebKit and for WinMo, to pass Acid3 yet none of these seem to be as easy to use so they dont get used. So besides paving the way they also have the best mobile bowser experience on the market today, according to many independent reviews. That sounds like standards setting to me.
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12/12/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
Lets make this simple. What can the iPHone do that other smartphones like the Blackberry and Droid can't? Lets get past this feel good shit you talk about, what real function can it do that other smartphones can't?
Lets make this simple. What can the iPHone do that other smartphones like the Blackberry and Droid can't? Lets get past this feel good shit you talk about, what real function can it do that other smartphones can't?
17% of the worldwide smartphone biz in 2 years, fully half of the mobile browser market, with unstoppable growth and about to overtake RIM. You tell me. I call it gestalt. That magical sweet-spot that is the combination of OS + hardware + ecosystem that the also rans just can't get right. If you don't "get" it, don't worry, you're not alone. There's this really big company a short drive from Seattle that doesn't get it, either.
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12/12/09 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
How did it set a standard for web.....
....Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
How did it set a standard for web.....
....Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
You don't keep up with apple much, huh?
I'd think AAPLs financial performance quarter after quarter would be a big clue that they are doing something right.. but I guess for someone with your reasoning skills there has to be a revolutionary product every 6 months and whatever other FAIL deductions you make about a companys performance and growth prospects. I mean- it's not like the iphone isn't distributed nearly world wide across many carriers.. right? oh right- you'd never think to consider that would ya?
try to look at a bigger picture than a product line. Do you understand margins? Any financial info? Besides, not that you could be convinced, a macbook is better than any laptop in the market.
have fun with your blinders on and head stuck in the sand. I can tell it helps you think you're a smart guy... pfft.
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12/12/09 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
How did it set a standard for web browsing? All it showed is that as usual Apple fanatics are just that even when it comes to browsing the web all day long. The success of the iPhone is also going to be its downfall. ATT is already considering putting a cap on data plans if if Apple can only go to TMobile in the US after that the iPhone is going to make a great door stop.
Carriers aren't going to put millions into their network just because iPhone users don't have a life and do nothing but surf the web all day long. When they start putting limits on usage its going to kill the iPhone. TMobile can barely handle what that have now and Verizon wants nothing to do with this mess.
The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.
Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
How did it set a standard for web browsing? All it showed is that as usual Apple fanatics are just that even when it comes to browsing the web all day long. The success of the iPhone is also going to be its downfall. ATT is already considering putting a cap on data plans if if Apple can only go to TMobile in the US after that the iPhone is going to make a great door stop.
Carriers aren't going to put millions into their network just because iPhone users don't have a life and do nothing but surf the web all day long. When they start putting limits on usage its going to kill the iPhone. TMobile can barely handle what that have now and Verizon wants nothing to do with this mess.
The iPhone has peaked. It didn't put anyone one out of business, its not the #1 smartphone even though people here pretend it is, and carriers are going to start putting
limits on iPhone users because its not worth the headache.
Everyone is talking about the iPhone now because Apple has done nothing major with any of its other products in years.
Macbook has had nothing major
Macbook Pro has had nothing major
Mac Pro, nothing
Apple TV, has been a failure.
Macbook Air another failure.
iPods nothing major.
IMac, nothing. Except for quadcore which everyone else has had for years now.
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?
Your post is filled with pretty much 100% speculation, aka BS. You have no empirical evidence to back up anything you said about the networks or the iphone "peaking".
While others have already replied to most of what you said, that multi-touch pad is also being copied by Acer and others in their laptops, even though none of them actually work right. So much for no innovations on their laptop computers.
Oh, what about unibody laptops? Nobody else has them.
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12/12/09 at 4:12pm
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In terms of the totality of Life, yes LOL. but in terms of tech and the way we use tech to enhacne our lives, hardly.
The iPhone is much more than "just a phone." The Nokia 1200 is also "just a phone" but is as far from the iPhone as a hawk from the moon. This "just a phone" singlehandedly destroyed all of Microsoft's mobile developemnt for the last deacde. Windows Mobile is but a faint memory now, totally buried, with a typical MS promise of something released sometime in late 2010. LOL. And the iPhone is the SOLE REASON the smartphone landscape looks the way it does today. All those winderful HTC products, Android, the rumoured "Google Phone", the Droid, the Pre . . . all of that, exists today thanks to the iPhone and Apple's vision.
Put very simply, the iPhone is to the mobile industry what Jesus was to the Apostles. No joke.
In terms of the totality of Life, yes LOL. but in terms of tech and the way we use tech to enhacne our lives, hardly.
The iPhone is much more than "just a phone." The Nokia 1200 is also "just a phone" but is as far from the iPhone as a hawk from the moon. This "just a phone" singlehandedly destroyed all of Microsoft's mobile developemnt for the last deacde. Windows Mobile is but a faint memory now, totally buried, with a typical MS promise of something released sometime in late 2010. LOL. And the iPhone is the SOLE REASON the smartphone landscape looks the way it does today. All those winderful HTC products, Android, the rumoured "Google Phone", the Droid, the Pre . . . all of that, exists today thanks to the iPhone and Apple's vision.
Put very simply, the iPhone is to the mobile industry what Jesus was to the Apostles. No joke.
Well done sir! Classic
post #64 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
Lets make this simple. What can the iPHone do that other smartphones like the Blackberry and Droid can't? Lets get past this feel good shit you talk about, what real function can it do that other smartphones can't? The fact is the answer is nothing. In fact most smartphones are more productive for business then the iPhone. Not to mention while the iPhone makes a great browser it pretty much sucks as a phone.
Lets not try to bring this back to MS, this is about the other leaders in the smartphone world.
I have never said the iPhone isn't a good products however it has nothing over other smartphones in terms of real life daily functions. Clearly based on data numbers most are just using it as a web browser. Which is why ATT is going to start putting a cap on that. If ATT starts to cap iPhone data and Apple has to go to lousy TMobile you are going to see iPhone sale drop like a rock because the web surfing addicts are going to have their unlimited crack taken away.
Lets make this simple. What can the iPHone do that other smartphones like the Blackberry and Droid can't? Lets get past this feel good shit you talk about, what real function can it do that other smartphones can't? The fact is the answer is nothing. In fact most smartphones are more productive for business then the iPhone. Not to mention while the iPhone makes a great browser it pretty much sucks as a phone.
Lets not try to bring this back to MS, this is about the other leaders in the smartphone world.
I have never said the iPhone isn't a good products however it has nothing over other smartphones in terms of real life daily functions. Clearly based on data numbers most are just using it as a web browser. Which is why ATT is going to start putting a cap on that. If ATT starts to cap iPhone data and Apple has to go to lousy TMobile you are going to see iPhone sale drop like a rock because the web surfing addicts are going to have their unlimited crack taken away.
You really are thick, aren't you?
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12/12/09 at 4:19pm
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You really are thick, aren't you?
You really are thick, aren't you?
Envy and frustration is a hard road, Sprock.
Very simply, for this generation, Apple defines everything that tech should be, that tech should aspire to. This has been acknowledged by the industry at large. Apple is the guiding vision behind consumer tech. It isn't my fault, it isn't your fault. Sometimes it's really hard to fathom. Sometimes you don't want to believe it for whatever reason. You want to think that it's a fluke, that it won't last, that there are other forces that can account for it. It's a unique phenomenon and not always understood. But it's just the way things are. For now. Those who deny it or ignore it do so at their own peril.
post #66 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:19pm
Just as there is a species of Apple fandom that leads certain people to say foolish, objectively insupportable things (or to brandish opinion and preference as fact), there is a species of bitter Apple resentment that leads certain people to say foolish, objectively insupportable things (or to brandish opinion and preference as fact).
The amusing part is that the latter attempt to belittle the former by turning up their foolish and insupportable to 11.
The amusing part is that the latter attempt to belittle the former by turning up their foolish and insupportable to 11.
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
post #67 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:20pm
And that "iPhone has peaked" bit of delusion is just too precious not to iCal.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
post #68 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
17% of the worldwide smartphone biz in 2 years, fully half of the mobile browser market, with unstoppable growth and about to overtake RIM. You tell me. I call it gestalt. That magical sweet-spot that is the combination of OS + hardware + ecosystem that the also rans just can't get right. If you don't "get" it, don't worry, you're not alone. There's this really big company a short drive from Seattle that doesn't get it, either.
17% of the worldwide smartphone biz in 2 years, fully half of the mobile browser market, with unstoppable growth and about to overtake RIM. You tell me. I call it gestalt. That magical sweet-spot that is the combination of OS + hardware + ecosystem that the also rans just can't get right. If you don't "get" it, don't worry, you're not alone. There's this really big company a short drive from Seattle that doesn't get it, either.
Thats great 17% of the worldwide smartphone in 2 years. Did that put anyone out of business? Are they the #1 smartphone? The answer to both of the questions is no. Yet again this has nothing to do with Microsoft. I know you always want to bring it back to that but you simply don't get it. We however can talk about them again when the Windows 7 numbers come out.
post #69 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:37pm
post #70 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:39pm
If it comes with the same minutes and data plans as every other phone sold in this country, then it's just another phone. We don't need another phone, we do need some new cell services that are cheaper and no contracts. I make phone calls on my iPod Touch via Skype and WiFi for $2.95/mo. I do not own a cell phone. Now if Google would offer free WiFi nationwide, then were talking about something interesting. I live to stick it "to the man".
post #71 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by sprockkets
Your post is filled with pretty much 100% speculation, aka BS. You have no empirical evidence to back up anything you said about the networks or the iphone "peaking".
While others have already replied to most of what you said, that multi-touch pad is also being copied by Acer and others in their laptops, even though none of them actually work right. So much for no innovations on their laptop computers.
Oh, what about unibody laptops? Nobody else has them.
Your post is filled with pretty much 100% speculation, aka BS. You have no empirical evidence to back up anything you said about the networks or the iphone "peaking".
While others have already replied to most of what you said, that multi-touch pad is also being copied by Acer and others in their laptops, even though none of them actually work right. So much for no innovations on their laptop computers.
Oh, what about unibody laptops? Nobody else has them.
The iPhone peaking is simply my opinion. However I will be happy to come back later in 2010 and address the issue again to prove I was correct.
Sony, Asus, HP all off multitouch screen on their computers which work rather well. Something that Apple doesn't offer on their computers. Hell we are just now moving to quad cores on Apple systems. Can't expect too much all at once. How about the wonderful display port on the nice iMac that can only function with other displayport devices, yeah that was innovative.
post #72 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by extremeskater
Are they the #1 smartphone?
Are they the #1 smartphone?
In the areas that matters most to Apple and its investors, yes they are.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
post #73 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by extremeskater
No just logical. Which I understand is hard to find on this forum
No just logical. Which I understand is hard to find on this forum
Apple is a lot of things. Innovative being towards the top of that list. Saying otherwise is about as illogical as one can muster.
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
post #74 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Envy and frustration is a hard road, Sprock.
Very simply, for this generation, Apple defines everything that tech should be, that tech should aspire to. This has been acknowledged by the industry at large. Apple is the guiding vision behind consumer tech. It isn't my fault, it isn't your fault. Sometimes it's really hard to fathom. Sometimes you don't want to believe it for whatever reason. You want to think that it's a fluke, that it won't last, that there are other forces that can account for it. It's a unique phenomenon and not always understood. But it's just the way things are. For now. Those who deny it or ignore it do so at their own peril.
Envy and frustration is a hard road, Sprock.
Very simply, for this generation, Apple defines everything that tech should be, that tech should aspire to. This has been acknowledged by the industry at large. Apple is the guiding vision behind consumer tech. It isn't my fault, it isn't your fault. Sometimes it's really hard to fathom. Sometimes you don't want to believe it for whatever reason. You want to think that it's a fluke, that it won't last, that there are other forces that can account for it. It's a unique phenomenon and not always understood. But it's just the way things are. For now. Those who deny it or ignore it do so at their own peril.
Envy give me a break. You act like everyone can't afford Apple products when the fact is everyone can if they wanted too. What do users have to Envy? Is anyone being denied buying an Apple product? This theory of yours is not only getting really old but sounds even more stupid everytime you bring it up.
Last time I was at my local Apple store I didn't notice any force field around it only allowing certain people inside.
post #75 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by extremeskater
The iPhone peaking is simply my opinion. However I will be happy to come back later in 2010 and address the issue again to prove I was correct.
Sony, Asus, HP all off multitouch screen on their computers which work rather well. Something that Apple doesn't offer on their computers. Hell we are just now moving to quad cores on Apple systems. Can't expect too much all at once. How about the wonderful display port on the nice iMac that can only function with other displayport devices, yeah that was innovative.
The iPhone peaking is simply my opinion. However I will be happy to come back later in 2010 and address the issue again to prove I was correct.
Sony, Asus, HP all off multitouch screen on their computers which work rather well. Something that Apple doesn't offer on their computers. Hell we are just now moving to quad cores on Apple systems. Can't expect too much all at once. How about the wonderful display port on the nice iMac that can only function with other displayport devices, yeah that was innovative.
Multi-touch screen and the Multi-touch pad are not exactly the same thing.
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
post #76 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motlee
Apple is a lot of things. Innovative being towards the top of that list. Saying otherwise is about as illogical as one can muster.
Apple is a lot of things. Innovative being towards the top of that list. Saying otherwise is about as illogical as one can muster.
No one ever said Apple as not innovative, however there are too many on this forum that make it sound like they are the only innovative company in the world. Which is why so many people thing Apple users re elitist assholes.
post #77 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:49pm
post #78 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
iPods, nothing major. Macbook Air, only the notebook everyone and their dog is copying. iMac, nothing, etc., etc.
And that "iPhone has peaked" bit of delusion is just too precious not to iCal.
Apple is really the ONLY ONE that is doing anything desirable and impressive in tech, bar none, and it's been this way for years now. Apple does, the others follow.
Nope, nothing major . . .
http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft_is_blind_stupid_30161
iPods, nothing major. Macbook Air, only the notebook everyone and their dog is copying. iMac, nothing, etc., etc.
And that "iPhone has peaked" bit of delusion is just too precious not to iCal.
Apple is really the ONLY ONE that is doing anything desirable and impressive in tech, bar none, and it's been this way for years now. Apple does, the others follow.
Nope, nothing major . . .
http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft_is_blind_stupid_30161
Yeah don't they all look really excited in that picture.
post #79 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:50pm
?????????????
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?[/QUOTE]
They are such an innovative company? What have they done in years thats been so innovative?[/QUOTE]
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
"One who forms a judgement on any point but cannot explain it clearly, might as well never have thought at all on the subject." Pericles
post #80 of 336
12/12/09 at 4:51pm
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