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While reports suggest Google will independently sell its new "Nexus One" phone contract-free, U.S. carrier T-Mobile is rumored to also offer the new handset.

Peter Kafka of MediaMemo has reported that Google's phone, code-named Nexus One, was pitched to a number of carriers, including Verizon, the nation's largest wireless provider. But only T-Mobile -- which was the first to offer the inaugural Android mobile operating system phone, the G1 -- has shown interest.

"Traditionally in the U.S., consumers buy phones directly from carriers, who eat some or all of the cost of the handsetswhich sometimes amounts to hundreds of dollarsin exchange for signing up customers to often controversial multi-year contracts," Kafka said. "Whether or not Google will subsidize the cost of the phone -- via advertising, for example -- is unclear."

T-Mobile will reportedly play an important part in the launch of the phone, actively pushing it in distribution channels and offering support infrastructure. Google intends to sell the GSM-based phone unlocked, which means it could also be used on AT&T, which does not currently offer any Android handsets.

AT&T is the exclusive provider of the iPhone in the U.S., and the nation's second-largest carrier has had its share of issues with Google in the past. Months ago, the two companies were engaged in a war of words over net neutrality, and the practice of blocking calls to rural areas through the Google Voice service.

But Kafka said when the Nexus One is made available for sale, something rumored to happen in January 2010, both AT&T and T-Mobile will be selectable as carriers through a menu-style online order system. Google reportedly plans to allow customers the ability to purchase the phone and then choose their carrier.

The new Google Phone was distributed to employees of the company late last week. Since then, photos and details of the new hardware have continued to leak. The HTC-made hardware lacks any reference to its manufacturer on the prototypes distributed to employees, according to Engadget.



The phone runs the unreleased Android 2.1, which features animated home screens, 3D elements in the application tray, and a new grid icon at the bottom of the home screen that allows fast access to all home screen pages. The phone also included the turn-by-turn GPS software Google Maps Navigation, as well as the visual search Google Goggles.

A pictured prototype was running on the T-Mobile network and was seen connected to Wi-Fi. The hardware was described as "incredibly thin and sleek," with four touch-sensitive buttons on its face and a volume rocker on the side. One tipster described the phone as faster than the Motorola Droid, but lacking in multi-touch support in its Web browser.



Also noted was a quick start guide pointing to the inactive URL google.com/phone/support, which could provide further confirmation of a public release.

Update - Two versions of Google phone planned, to be released in January

Reuters reported Monday that Google plans to sell two different versions of its phone: one to be subsidized through T-Mobile by contract and one unlocked version sold through Google's website. The phone will reportedly be available as early as Jan. 5.
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1st. Droid will put up a strong fight.
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I'm sure Verizon and Motorola are thrilled.

And The Great Android Fragmentation continues . . .
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In the picture of the back of the device it looks like the little droid is already waving the white flag.
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Can't wait to see it. If it is subsidized and sold unlocked for say $150, I might get it. So far I only use the Touch, cause the iPhone is too expensive to get in an unlocked fashion (unless you get it used or not GS). If this phone offers the mapping service and other nicities of the droid, priced decently and is unlocked new I will buy it and use it on T-Mobile, which has perfect coverage here in Chicago (at least in my experience).

I will however keep the touch for its slim form factor and the apps, music and games. (I would use nexus for the internet and directions and calling of course)
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I'm sure Verizon and Motorola are thrilled.

And The Great Android Fragmentation continues . . .

And you ignoring the iPhone Gen 1, iPhone Gen 2, iPhone 3GS, and iPod Touch Fragmentation continues...

But hey, I suppose those blinders make it easier to see where you're headed to...
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In the picture of the back of the device it looks like the little droid is already waving the white flag.

I think they are covering up whatever the android is really waving (like an employee id maybe)
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And you ignoring the iPhone Gen 1, iPhone Gen 2, iPhone 3GS, and iPod Touch Fragmentation continues...

Fragmented? In what way?
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Can't wait to see it. If it is subsidized and sold unlocked for say $150, I might get it.

Who are you expecting to subsidise it? IF t-mobile sell the phone, I would imagine they will lock it to their network. Otherwise you'll be buying directly from Google who won't have the ability to subsidise through a network contract.
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And you ignoring the iPhone Gen 1, iPhone Gen 2, iPhone 3GS, and iPod Touch Fragmentation continues...

But hey, I suppose those blinders make it easier to see where you're headed to...

you do realize that all those devices are/or capable of all running the latest 3.1 OS...

while android phones are all over the map...so I do not see how your comparison fits.
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I think I'll have to start saving my pennies now for one of these. I have been dying for an Android phone that will work on AT&Ts network. I know that other areas have trouble, but AT&T is one of the most solid carriers in my area.
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The bezel for the camera is needlessly large. I had seen a reference to a story that said the camera was large, but the camera is a normal cell phone pinhole style camera with a big ring that fakes it out to looking larger than it really is, unless you know what you're looking at.
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I think I'll have to start saving my pennies now for one of these. I have been dying for an Android phone that will work on AT&Ts network. I know that other areas have trouble, but AT&T is one of the most solid carriers in my area.

from my understanding, it wont be able to run 3G, and sadly this means no simultaneous voice/data....is google really foolhardy? I mean lets take away one of the premium features on our Google Branded Android Phone...lame. More disappointments...I mean those guys are making it easy for SJ...

I can see all the new Google Android phones coming to ATT stores asking if they can use the 3G service there and realize they should have not believed the hype..
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Fragmented? In what way?

There's hardware and some software differences between the various models. You have the magnometer that's only in the 3GS. And a camera that's only on the iPhones. And there are various differences in the firmware between the iPhones and iPod Touch (I don't know how much that actually affects development). While they're less pronounced than on Android, developers still have to be aware of these differences when making apps.

Manufactureres are beginning to send out 2.0 updates for their Android phones running 1.5 and 1.6. I think by the middle of Q1 in 2010, there will only be Android 2.0 and 2.1 to worry about.

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from my understanding, it wont be able to run 3G, and sadly this means no simultaneous voice/data....is google really foolhardy? I mean lets take away one of the premium features on our Google Branded Android Phone...lame. More disappointments...I mean those guys are making it easy for SJ...

I can see all the new Google Android phones coming to ATT stores asking if they can use the 3G service there and realize they should have not believed the hype..

You mean just in the US, right?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/h...and-att-huspa/

This has 3G support.
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There's hardware and some software differences between the various models. You have the magnometer that's only in the 3GS. And a camera that's only on the iPhones. And there are various differences in the firmware between the iPhones and iPod Touch (I don't know how much that actually affects development). While they're less pronounced than on Android, developers still have to be aware of these differences when making apps.

Manufactureres are beginning to send out 2.0 updates for their Android phones running 1.5 and 1.6. I think by the middle of Q1 in 2010, there will only be Android 2.0 and 2.1 to worry about.

While once again it is pointed out that even the 1st gen iphone and the 3rd gen touch can all run the 3.1 os and are all included when an OS upgrade is available.

And we will see the real numbers, more speculation about the 2.0 and 2.1 being the only two available, THE FACT remains all apple mobile devices are capable/use the latest apple mobile OS....until then with android, it is a lot of big talk...
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There's hardware and some software differences between the various models. You have the magnometer that's only in the 3GS. And a camera that's only on the iPhones. And there are various differences in the firmware between the iPhones and iPod Touch (I don't know how much that actually affects development). While they're less pronounced than on Android, developers still have to be aware of these differences when making apps.

Manufactureres are beginning to send out 2.0 updates for their Android phones running 1.5 and 1.6. I think by the middle of Q1 in 2010, there will only be Android 2.0 and 2.1 to worry about.


You mean just in the US, right?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/h...and-att-huspa/

This has 3G support.

it was crossed out for 3G ATT, its runs 3G t-mobile, which is the same as the Edge of ATT...so what are you talking about?
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This is good news for AT&T. Yet another media-hungry phone on their network. I am sure they will love that!

I'm sure this will also bode well for us AT&T iPhone users who are already used to slow-asssssss network speeds. With another hungry passenger on board, I doubt it's going to get better anytime soon.

That is, unless AT&T prevents the Google Phone from boarding their network train.
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While once again it is pointed out that even the 1st gen iphone and the 3rd gen touch can all run the 3.1 os and are all included when an OS upgrade is available.

And we will see the real numbers, more speculation about the 2.0 and 2.1 being the only two available, THE FACT remains all apple mobile devices are capable/use the latest apple mobile OS....until then with android, it is a lot of big talk...

No arguments there on the software. Minor differences between the models when it comes to feature sets. However, there are enough hardware differences that hardware developers have to be aware of. Like I said, it's not as much of a difference as Android has. But it's not none either.

It's also been shown that all devices, even the first G1, are capable of running Android 2.0. And three of the top Android phones are getting the 2.0 update (Droid Eris, HTC Hero, Samsung Moment). The Droid and all subsequent Android phones releasing in 2010 already have 2.0 at a minimum.
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http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/a...ou-think-it-is

Android is splintering, just not how you think it is...

Not to be too condescending, but I think it's amusing to watch the old-school techies in the past couple years finally get around to paying attention to the mobile market that I've had been ranting about exclusively for the better part of the past decade. Tim Bray has a post today about the Android OS, dismissing the idea that there's splintering going on, or that it's a big deal if there is.
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it was crossed out for 3G ATT, its runs 3G t-mobile, which is the same as the Edge of ATT...so what are you talking about?

Works on 3G networks abroad. Still technically a 3G phone.
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No arguments there on the software. Minor differences between the models when it comes to feature sets. However, there are enough hardware differences that hardware developers have to be aware of. Like I said, it's not as much of a difference as Android has. But it's not none either.

It's also been shown that all devices, even the first G1, are capable of running Android 2.0. And three of the top Android phones are getting the 2.0 update (Droid Eris, HTC Hero, Samsung Moment). The Droid and all subsequent Android phones releasing in 2010 already have 2.0 at a minimum.

3 of the top android phones is not the same as ALL of the phones. And show me a link that says that all android phones are capable the latest Android update and most of the features are still usable. Funny all of Apple's software runs the same on all the devices, but its only hardware features that change across newer apple mobile devices excluding the nano and shuffle. That is to be expected.
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http://gigaom.com/2009/12/07/android...fragmentation/

Android Steps Closer to Fragmentation

Wind River announced today a commercial version of the Android platform that comes with pre-integrated apps and global support and is optimized for Texas Instruments’ OMAP 3. But the offering represents one more step toward a dangerously fragmented Android universe . . .


http://androidandme.com/2009/11/news...ion-look-like/

What does Android fragmentation look like?


Android fragmentation is real and it is not going away. Ask any developer and they will tell you about the difficulties of supporting multiple versions of Android and their different screen sizes.
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Works on 3G networks abroad. Still technically a 3G phone.

its the old Microsoft 98/NT argument....its runs, BUT NOT CERTIFIED to run....Its a 3G phone, but its not a 3G phone...but it still does not RUN ON AT&T's 3G....

you are saying a lot, but you are back pedaling to my point.

Did you even read the article as it refers to my point? If you did you would see they redacted that it runs AT&T 3G service....so you fail and so does their Google Phone..
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This is the ONLY tech board i know that keeps trying to play up fragmentation.

The only device that will not be getting 2.0 or 2.1 is going to be the G1 since it doesnt have the required RAM to do so, nearly all available ones will be getting the bump sometime soon (january if rumors are correct).

Besides there are cutoffs anyways for this technology as the OS becomes more sophisticated and new features are added the requirements become higher the older phones will be cut off. The G1 though was a victim of HTC gimping it in the RAM/ROM department and is why it will most likely not see the newest version.

This has already happened to the iPhone 2G and 3G with not getting features of the 3GS due to not meeting the hardware requirements thus some apps are not possible on said devices (this is fragmentation as well kids). It wouldnt surprise me in the least bit that whenever OS 4 comes out, the older gen phones might not be able to upgrade to it (3 years for the 2G, 2 years for the 3G means everyone who has had a phone since launch could easily upgrade to the 3GS and whatever else is coming out) and if they do they will be missing features just like they do now
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I'm sure Verizon and Motorola are thrilled.

And The Great Android Fragmentation continues . . .

Fragmented how?

Yes there may be some kind of incompatibility with older google phones as time moves forward and the specs increase. But I am sure Google will outline these specs ahead of time to the phone manufacturer every few years or 18 months. No difference with iPhone and its relations to its software developers.

Secondly, I think Apple needs to look out at this threat of the google phone. Yes now Apple is enjoying great profits and success from the iphone ipod touch line. Right now it looks all good and rosy.

iphone may be the fragmented phone of the future...fragmented from the the rest of the market. In the next 5 years there will probably be 50 different types of Google phones out there ranging from $30 to $350 and Google will be on the rise. They have the opportunity of market dominance because they are setting things up like the PC and windows did in the 1980's.

Where will Apple be? Will we see the $50 iPhone? How will Apple pull this off?

I am speaking of the future and I make no guarantee that I am correct.
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But Kafka said when the Nexus One is made available for sale both AT&T and T-Mobile will be selectable as carriers through a menu-style online order system. Google reportedly plans to allow customers the ability to purchase the phone and then choose their carrier.

I really hope that Google helps to break up the practice of carrier subsidies and the public shifts to buying handsets independently of their phone company. In the long run that may become more widespread when/if we (in the US) see a unified 4G/LTE network standard, but until that happens the handset vendors will have to take some risks.

If the public starts buying the high-end handsets on their own (shopping around as they would for any other CE device), the carriers might lose their exclusivity grip and have to start really competing for a change.
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http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech...-fragmentation

Sprint's Android updates highlight fragmentation

December 11, 2009, 07:40 PM — IDG News Service —

Just as Verizon pushes out the first operating-system update to the Droid, Android version 2.0.1, Sprint says its Android phones will get the 2.0 version as late as June next year.
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There's hardware and some software differences between the various models. You have the magnometer that's only in the 3GS. And a camera that's only on the iPhones. And there are various differences in the firmware between the iPhones and iPod Touch (I don't know how much that actually affects development). While they're less pronounced than on Android, developers still have to be aware of these differences when making apps.

Manufactureres are beginning to send out 2.0 updates for their Android phones running 1.5 and 1.6. I think by the middle of Q1 in 2010, there will only be Android 2.0 and 2.1 to worry about..

There is obviously going to be some fragmentation between the iPhone and the iPod touch in that they are two different devices with two different markets. I often wonder if people that complain that the iPod Touch doesnt take pictures are the same people who complain that their camera doesnt make phone calls.
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So, Android is splintering (though one huge success with Android 2.x would mean that that one huge success would be 99% of Android out there and the remaining 1% of splinters would be unimportant). And it seems the new phone still has the broken memory model (see Roughly Drafted Magazine for good explanations).

Doesn't seem like a viable competitor for iPhone yet in terms of tech.

But phones is also about fashion, and here Apple needs a refresh. They might be tech-cool but if they are not seen as cool, they are not.
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Whoa, an Android phone that isn't fugly? What a novel idea!

If the rumors about it being sold without a contract are true, I have to wonder if they plan to sell this to the general public at all or just to developers.
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1st. Droid will put up a strong fight.

1st?

So, are you 14 or 15?
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So, Android is splintering (though one huge success with Android 2.x would mean that that one huge success would be 99% of Android out there and the remaining 1% of splinters would be unimportant). And it seems the new phone still has the broken memory model (see Roughly Drafted Magazine for good explanations).

Doesn't seem like a viable competitor for iPhone yet in terms of tech.

But phones is also about fashion, and here Apple needs a refresh. They might be tech-cool but if they are not seen as cool, they are not.

Seems like someone thinks they are "Cool" they are still selling a boat load of these things!

I will say, it's going to be interesting to which why Apple / Steve take the iPhone when it comes to design / style?

- Thinner?
- Fatter?
- Taller?
- Shorter?
- Completely different? (I'm leaning this way)


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its the old Microsoft 98/NT argument....its runs, BUT NOT CERTIFIED to run....Its a 3G phone, but its not a 3G phone...but it still does not RUN ON AT&T's 3G....

you are saying a lot, but you are back pedaling to my point.

Did you even read the article as it refers to my point? If you did you would see they redacted that it runs AT&T 3G service....so you fail and so does their Google Phone..

I read it. I know it doesn't work on AT&T's 3G. But AT&T isn't the only carrier in the world now is it? If Google does plan on selling this phone sans plan, then wouldn't it make sense to incorporate the world's 3G bands? Seeing as there's more of them that use it out there? I guess it's not much of a fail on Google after all...

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3 of the top android phones is not the same as ALL of the phones. And show me a link that says that all android phones are capable the latest Android update and most of the features are still usable. Funny all of Apple's software runs the same on all the devices, but its only hardware features that change across newer apple mobile devices excluding the nano and shuffle. That is to be expected.

The top 3 (4 if you count the Droid) Android phones represent a good chunk of all the Android phones out there. Of course, I'm going under the assumption that as more and more Android 2.0 phones are released, those using the HTC Dream (or G1) will be upgrading to one of these handsets. Now should be roughly the time when their 2 year contracts expire.

There's always a period of growing pains with early software development, which is what we see in the 1.0, 1.1, 1.5, and 1.6 versions of Android. The reason why I think 1.0 through 1.6 still exist is because manufacturers didn't really know how successful Android would be. Now that Android 2.0 has been really pushed onto the scene with the Droid campaign, many more manufacturers are jumping aboard and working to update their existing phones. As new companies develop handsets, they'll logically start with Android 2.0. It's my opinion that as 2010 starts, the sub-2.0 versions will start to fade out and we'll start seeing more of a leveling. But only time will tell.
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But phones is also about fashion, and here Apple needs a refresh.

Agreed, but given the look of this "Nexus One" (why not just call it Nexus 6 and go full-on Blade Runner?) Apple's look is totally in for Spring 2010.
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Nexus One?

What sort of moronic megalomaniac name is this?

Wait let me check my messages on my nexus one...

Honey have you seen my nexus one?

Nexus, plexus, sexus, time to re-read the fabulous Henry Miller.
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And you ignoring the iPhone Gen 1, iPhone Gen 2, iPhone 3GS, and iPod Touch Fragmentation continues...

But hey, I suppose those blinders make it easier to see where you're headed to...

Which means you just don't understand what fragmentation means.
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I use a Touch and an unlocked gsm phone on T-Mobile. I flip back and forth between the US and Europe too much to bother with a locked iPhone. ATT, is a mess to deal with.

The G-Phone makes sense in that its cross border as well as cross gsm carrier. The fact the iPhone is tied to ATT is a killer for me. At our US home, ATT is our landline and ISP. My experience with them is they are totally incompetent. Having lived in 10 states and several different countries I have experience with other land line companies, other isp's and other mobile operators. ATT is by far the worst of the litter. Some are actually good, mostly in Europe but T-Mobile does ok.
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