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I though you were saying more then that? Oops Apologies

I respect your opinion, but I will always think low-end non Apple Computers are Junk.

I think that cause I truly believe everyone copies Apple. We Love their products and enjoy the Culture that Steve has created.

Other companies don't put Passion into there products and don't think about the Pro's and Consumers as Apple does.

They're required to do sooooooo much to make our lives better. They've spoiled their community.

Don't want to carry hubs and whatnot. Don't want a laptop 30% larger than a 10" netbook.

My goal is to lighten the load and to reduce the size of my bag. Stop selling me, it won't work.

Apple created an OS, own it, and want to earn money from it. Makes sense to the rest of us. If you desire their product, buy it. If you don't desire it enough to buy it, buy something else. If you want an open source system, put together a Linux box.



That makes one of you.

"Well you and your 500Gb Netbook Are gonna fit right in here"......




LAND OF THE MISFIT TOYS

If you think that a MBA is underpowered, despite having a C2D and lousy graphics, depsite having a 9400M, then getting a netbook with an Atom CPU and likely not anything as good as the 9400M iGP is not a good way to go.

Plus, most netbooks have poor battery time. The best Ive seen for battery is the Asus 1005HA but even that 10.5 hour rated battery isnt that great. Any MB or MBP with a 7-8 hour battery is likely just as long lasting due to the variances of how they measure the usage. The 1005HA has the added benefit of also having a nice display compared to other netbooks. This is one of those things Id think people would find more important, yet they oddly only care about the RAM on the GPU. It really makes no sense.

The issue of not being able to replace the internal battery is not a good argument since there are plenty of other options to be had that 1) make the argument moot, and 2) make switching out batteries in mid-flight more or a hassle than simply plugging in an external battery. Then there is the issue of charging the extra batteries. I hated having to get up in the middle of the night to switch batteries. Its much better when there is a power pass-through to charge both the internal and external at the same time from one cable.

Ive had two netbooks, one with Mac OS X loaded and the other with XP. Neither were viable replacements for real notebooks. The HW was too slow and too cheaply made with a display and keyboard that was too small. There was no way i could have spent any real time computing on it. For me, netbooks are piss poor notebook replacements that only seem to be supplements to real computers, not ones primary work horse for long business trips. The MBA and the ultra-light notebooks on the other hand are very capable with their LV C2Ds and decent size displays and IGPs. If a MBA can push high-profile H.264 1080p out then I dont think your problem with the projector was graphics processing.

Underpowered for the money. A netbook is going to be underpowered, everyone expects this because it's costing you $594 instead of $1500 or $1800.

But it doesn't matter. I would pay $1600 for an OS X 10" netbook. It's the footprint I seek, the total size of the base is the single most important feature. No one seems to get this.

I frequently set up Netbooks for customers, they are SSSLLLOOOOOO-OOOOOOWWW and underpowered at least they are putting 160GB hard drives in them now, the old 8GB and 16GB flash drive models weren't much fun.

I came across one that wouldn't let me install our software as it only had 3MB of free space left!

Most of it's 8GB was taken up by Office 2003, geez that thing chugged it took half an hour just to free up enough space on that POS..

The tiny keyboards and screen are annoying and as for the trackpad give me the MacBook one any day of the week, I'll stick with my 13" MacBook thank you very much.

And you should. If you're happy with it, and it's doing the job for you, don't fix what ain't broken. You have what you want, and you're happy. How cool is that?

I'm not happy. I'm sick and tired of lugging this 13" piece of metal around the world. I want something different. Maybe you can understand...

I get it but your previous posts, as I recall them, seem to indicate that the MBA cant even do the basic things you need it to, like running a projector, so I dont see how a netbook would solve that problem.

Unless you are willing to spend $800 for a netbook i dont think youre going to get what you want, based on what youve stated. The best Im aware of for the money and has a good battery life Ive already mentioned.

The OS X argument is the one that is completely lost on me. Install OS X if you want it. Its a trivial task once you use the HCL to find a machine that has all the drivers available for it.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/in.../HCL/Portables

A netbook is a back up not a replacement, try using one for a while.

Ubuntu and Open Office.

XP or 7 and Office.

I really don't think a netbook would meet your needs as outlined earlier.

Email, Web browsing and a bit of multimedia is what Netbooks are primarily designed for.

You have different standards as to what constitutes a mobile-desktop compared to other folks. I've had my MBA for almost 18-months. It's my workhorse. I use it for both OSX, and VMWare/XP. It runs faster than my old dedicated Sony Vaio. Graphics performs is great, and I don't have any issues running Powerpoint or any of my development tools that I use in both OSX and XP. I haven't used a LAN connection on it for ages (all wireless nowadays).

If you're complaining about the "puny" disk storage of the MBA, than as usual, this machine is just not meant for you. You seem to be looking for something of the MBA size/weight but in a more higher horsepower / desktop package which is just not going to happen.

I know dozens of MBA owners that are simply happy with their MBA purchase. Why? Because they knew going into it what it's advantages and disadvantages were. For true mobility, this is by far the best machine I've owned and it was my first personal Mac machine. You want higher horsepower?? Go with a Macbook Pro. Want cheapo, disposable, underpowered machines? Go with a netbook. It seems that you have standards that really, no manufacturer can ever hope to meet.

MBA - I can't connect to a customer's Ethernet network, plug in a USB thumb drive, and copy files I can take to their manufacturing floor. I can't connect to a hotel's Ethernet network (not all have wireless) and plug in a USB dongle to run the software I need to connect to our internal design software. To travel with a MBA means I also have to tote a USB hub - all while spending $1799? One USB port that also must double as an Ethernet port for $1800? This is not a serious machine for business. I'm trying to reduce the crap I schlep, not increase it.

The Fujitsu I'm looking at has replaceable batteries. I can swap one for another and it's just not that big a deal. Two batteries will give me 6 to 7 hours; three will provide 10-11. I will not buy a laptop that has a built-in battery. I travel too much.

Spending $800 is considerably different than spending $1800.

Doesn't matter. Battery time doesn't matter. The whole underpowered thing doesn't matter. Even one lousy, pathetic USB port - the world's most expensive USB port - doesn't matter. I want and need that low profile base. If Apple would just decide to innovate and compete in this market, all these issues would be solved. Until then, I may install OS X on to a series of netbooks. For $500 - $800, I can pretty much buy 3 or 4 for the same cost as one MBA with it's lonely little USB port.

NOTE ADDED: I took my InFocus machine into the Apple Store, and the MBA would not drive it. Could not detect a video signal. MB & MBP worked just fine. I then took it over to a friend's local office (who had recently purchased this Fujitsu 10.1" model), and ran the projector off the VGA port without a problem. The Mac Gurus could not explain why the projector would not run (nor were they very concerned about it).

@ Matt_S

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http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3622&p=5

Let me help you Matt S, you must have got lost on your way to the Fujitsu forum

http://ts.fujitsu.com/support/forum/

Maybe the people in this forum may be able to understand you much better. You can leave now

1) The MBA is design for traveling professionals. It clearly doesnt fit your needs but I bet it fits the needs of more professionals than netbooks do.

2) You talk about wanting less clutter, like a simple USB hub for when you are in a Hotel or having to switch out from a USB-to-Ethernet dongle, but you then you go to talk about having 2 or 3 extra batteries with you. That sounds like a lot more clutter, bulk and weight to me. Then you either have to have a unit to power all these extra batteries or go through the rigomorale of changing them out after they charge every few hours. This may cut into your sleep time; it did mine.


Different, sure, better, not necessarily. I almost always go for the most convenient solution. For me, that is a 13 MBP with a 7 hour battery. That is better than having 2 Li-Ion batteries to tout, I dont have to change them out to use or to charge and the Li-Poly charge faster. If I possibly need more I can just buy an external that doesnt mean Im having to close down my work, shut the lid, flip the machine over grab a coin to release the battery and then replace with a new one every couple hours.


You stated previously that the MBA was underpowered for using a projector. I think its clear that Apple has chosen NOT to compete in that market because they have chosen to innovate. Its clear that your issues may be solved (there is no would be if the 9400M isnt powerful enough, if you dont know how many and what ports it will have, and what the price point is) as making a 10 netbook isnt your only interest here.

I dont disagree that the MBA is not right for you, but your idea of convenience doesnt seem to jive with mine at all. What you propose sounds like a chore. The move for a built-in battery is something Ive been asking for for a long time. Im glad its finally here. The only reasons I prefer the 13 MBP over the MBA is the drive capacity and the battery duration. Both are too low for me to use constantly as I travel 100% of the time. I no longer own a home, Im all hotels, rental cars and airports these days.

You have emoticons at the end of your posts but you dont sound like you are joking. Matt_S is not trolling or being an ass in any way.

Ok, finally, that was clever. Well done. I cracked a smile & laughed. Thanks!

I'm not trying to sell you. I'm just correcting your outright lies.

Solipsism he's not understanding that what he seeks is IMPOSSIBLE right now. I've noticed that you back almost every statement you make by facts (which I'm slowly doing myself), so if you cannot get through to this guy then I see it as nobody can.

The "you can leave now" was bad forum etiquette and MATT if your reading I apologize.

No, just lying about the MBA. With a 9400 the graphics are not wimpy and unable to drive projectors. And he's claiming some road warrior godhood without knowing any of the tricks of the trade.

Posted previously: I took my InFocus machine into the Apple Store, and the MBA would not drive it. Could not detect a video signal. MB & MBP worked just fine. I then took it over to a friend's local office (who had recently purchased this Fujitsu 10.1" model), and ran the projector off the VGA port without a problem. The Mac Gurus could not explain why the projector would not run (nor were they very concerned about it).

That's gentlemanly of you & I appreciate it. I did not take it as such, I thought your post was meant to be a clever & witty smack and thought it was funny.

I don’t doubt that you had problems getting the projector to work, but it had nothing to do with an underpowered graphics card. Here is a press release from InFocus’ site that that the MBA is supported.

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http://www.infocus.com/Company/Press...splayLink.aspx

These forums are so much more civil these days. Its a good thing.

See solipsism he knew I wasn't trying to be malicious


Relax Mr.Wilson

Well, it's certainly possible. You could speculate that unlike the MB or Pro versions, the Air delivers something different signal-wise to the miniDP port which doesn't get interpreted or converted properly by the VGA adapter. However, it also didn't work with the miniDP to DVI cable. On OS X Leopard on the Fujitsu, the InFocus worked just like on the MB or MBP.

I could not tell you precisely why it didn't work, I was only regurgitating the speculation of the Mac Guru at the Apple Store.

Again, as I've noted elsewhere, if you are happy with your MBA, congrats, I'm happy for you. I just have a dream that Apple will someday soon build a netbook that we can all be proud of. I never imagined that my dream machine would make the evening so miserable for so many. Not my intention.

Perhaps the real speculation should be: if you have a dream of a new Apple product, for the love of God, don't bring it here.

One projector doesn't work doesn't translate into unable to work with any projectors. Also, I've seen other laptops including one of my Dells unable to sync with some projectors so it's not some MBA limitation.

The fujitsu P1690 has far wimpier graphics for $1900 and the M2011 netbook is...well...a netbook with even wimpier capabilities. Good luck with that as your primary machine.

If the MBA doesn't work for you, that's fine. But your characterizations have been trollish and incorrect. It's a nice road warrior machine on par with the other lightweight notebook options.

That's BS. What you wrote was:

"Lousy graphics. I couldn't get it to work with my InFocus projector, not enough graphics performance or oomph or something. Can't do a business presentation, why tote it? Not a road warrior machine."

"This thing is a cute toy."

"What kind of modern computer is that? It's for suburban housewives who want to look cool surfing at StarBucks."

If you want a 10" netbook that runs OSX then get a Lenovo or Fujitsu and hackintosh it. No one will say boo and some folks will discretely point you in the right direction. Expecting Apple to make one for you will get the usual answer of "not likely given the margins are so low" or "the tablet may be what you're looking for".

But don't act like some hurt party. You were looking for a fight over the MBA and now crying because folks called you on it. You got exactly the same respect you doled out. So man up and don't whine about it.

"Road warrior"

THATS RIGHT VINEA, TELL HIM TO MAN UP!!! WE LOVE APPLE WHOOOOT!!

OS X is tied to Apple hardware


And doing so very profitably


It just did



As mud!

I get that you don't like the Air, but this is just a nonsense statement.

Projectors use VGA, they always have and always will. There is no notebook or laptop alive today that can't output VGA even if you have to use an adapter. The idea that a notebook "doesn't have enough oomph" for a presentation is just ridiculous.


Also a ridiculous statement.

You carry 100 Gigs of presentations around with you? Even if I believed that, You'd be an idiot for doing it, and most other laptops would put you in the same boat.

To say you don't like the Air and want something larger or more powerful is one thing, but to imply that you can get all that in a netbook is just disingenuous. Generally speaking netbooks (like the Air), make enormous compromises just to exist at all. It's just a matter of what you want to give up.

Apparently you want to give up style, power and long battery life in exchange for small footprint, and stupid amounts of storage and are willing to deal with a lot of extra baggage like batteries, SD cards and so forth in order to get it.

That doesn't mean that it isn't in our best interest as consumers (people seem to forget what they are) for Apple to have some competition from companies like Psystar.

Well the bizzaro thing is that if you really needed 100GB+ of presentations you're an idiot if you don't carry a backup in the form of a few USB keys or external drive. Which is more stuff he doesn't want to carry but since you SHOULD anyway, carrying an external HDD and the most important presentations on the internal drive is STILL the minimal loadout.

On a customer site with a smashed or stolen laptop I can borrow one for powerpoint and not look too stupid. Stuff happens. What I can't do is easily get 100GB worth of presentations over their network.

All that said...I can see the MBA being phased out for the tablet at some point. The 13" MBP is a pretty nice road warrior machine at only 1.5 lbs heavier. The footprint that matters the most is whether your screen is likely to be smushed in coach and the 13" is small enough that it's not a problem.

Anyone carrying a hundred Gigs of PowerPoint presentations is just "doing it wrong" as they say and deserves to be ridiculed, but in fact I think the original poster was just exaggerating/lying when they stated that. All of their posts are full of hyperbole and overstatement, so it's not a stretch to think they were just being annoying when saying that and that they don't actually have that many presentations.

My main beef was with the implication that all this could be easily had on a netbook, but that the MacBook Air was a "toy" that couldn't do the job. Netbooks are "toys" to the exact same extent (or more so), that the MacBook Air is. You can't differentiate the two, and "Road Warriors" actually carry giant heavy laptops with lots of external drives and batteries.

There is no "road warrior" netbook that exists, but because of the new technology and the cloud, many can now "get by" with a lesser machine, like a netbook or an Air. In that scenario, the "warrior" is making compromises and it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Netbooks are slightly smaller footprint and cheaper, but they are also on average a lot slower and less powerful than the Air.

It's very uncommon. Geo was a joint venture between GM and Suzuki, not a licensing arrangement. GM also did a joint venture with Toyota, which is why they both sold similar cars.

Madcapper - please get off that shaky soapbox of yours and stop pretending to be the righteous fighter and representative of consumer rights.

Why not sell OSX for free then? That would certainly be in the consumer's best interest right? Heck, why not allow OSX to be installed on a any untested hardware configuration which would end up resulting in the Windows experience of unstable drivers, and system freezes? What would the consumer end up doing in this scenario?? Blame Apple.

Thank goodness precedent was set by the judge. It's one of those rare instances where justice was actually served.

Company A develops great product and bases their business from it.

Company B comes out from under rock and takes Company A's product and steals revenue from it.


What part of this scenario eludes you? You're not thinking of the consumer's best interest. Your substituting your lack of respect to IP property as being what every consumer must want. Apple does not want to cater to whatever low-end market you seem to be representing. That certainly does not give you the right to simply steal (and that is exactly what it is) a company's property to do with as you please. Go to Apple's other competitors. Windows, Linux, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. List is seriously long. Apple's blowout quarters (and in a recession) do show that more consumers (minus you of course) do believe that Apple is doing something right. But of course, it's not about Apple, it's all about you and what you want. Damn the legality of it.

If you don't like the way Apple runs its business, we'll gladly show you the door and recommend to you to not have it hit your backside on the way out.

@ Matt_S

Reviews of the new Asus Eee PC 1005PE have just starting hitting the net. It uses the new Intel Atom “Pine Trail” CPU which translates to a more efficient processor with better performance and by extension more battery time. The only negative mark seems to be the LCD quality.

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http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/21/a...1005pe-review/
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MS has a point. Apple products aren't beyond criticism.

Netbooks do seem underpowered. But then, what are people attempting to do on them? I guess if you're desperate, a skinflint and want 3 inches less (on your screen...) then they're 'ok' for a bit of emailing, word processing on the go. If fact my cousin had a netbook doing the music on his dj stint only yesterday. Not exactly quick. But it 'did the job.'

Clearly, they'll get faster in time. But I can see why Apple hasn't made one.

As for the Macbook Air. Apple's 'netbook' or ultra slim notebook. I like the design of it. But the 'ports' thing. Hmm. How many do you need when you're 'on the go?' Depends on the purpose, I guess. But if you want to do emailing...it's a snip at...well. Clearly, Apple thinks you should pay extra for something that thin. Er. Just buy the 15 inch Macbook Pro instead.

9400. Not lousy. But I've noticed a trend of Apple 'side grading' alot this past year or two. iMac notably. And when the 'new' iMac came? Nothing new GPU wise. Just last years low end card in a 'top of the range' machine. Bar the new screen? i5 in the top end model. (A dirt cheap quad core cpu...and the dual core 3 gigger flogged again in most of the models.)

If we're lucky, next year we'll see some spec progress next year.

Oh yeah. Psystar. Who cares? They're out of it. Personally, if you owe 2 million dollars how can you afford to eat? Let alone sell an 'efi' product? Shrugs. If Apple have to...they'll grind what's left of their dust and set it on fire then throw the ashes into the sea.

Personally I didn't agree with their conduct. Thieves who abused Apple's copyright. However, another point. Apple does compete against the collective might of the PC industry. And of course I cheer them on. It's a virtual holy war.

However, Apple themselves have no direct competition in Macs. There are holes in their desktop line, quad core price of entry is still stupidly high, the Mac Pro is outrageously priced, the Macbook Air is bordering on folly, the Mac Mini overpriced...and the specs somewhat apologetic. The gpus on all machines are pretty stale as standard, and in some cases over a year out of date...for the 'double' or treble the price you're paying...compared to the PC competition and the vram is pretty dour. Sure, there are 'junk' netbooks for £200. Junk desktops for around £400.

But in that £700-£1400 range?

Lemon Bon Bon.

Running OSX on generic PCs appeals to basically 3 types of users.

1. So cheap that they can't afford a Mac Mini.

2. Want to build a PC more powerful than Mac Pro for half the cost.

3. Want a netbook form factor.

I understand the appeal to people who want cheap Macs. What I am failing to see is any rationale that works for Apple's actual business of manufacturing and selling computers. As nearly as I can tell, the entire thought process behind this desire is that if Microsoft does it, Apple should too. Setting aside the business considerations for a moment, I don't know why anyone would want Apple to be more like Microsoft