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Apple could ship between 40 million and 45 million iPhones in 2010, well up from the 20 million estimated in 2009, and will add a 5-megapixel camera to next year's phone, a new report claims.

Citing industry sources, Taiwanese publication DigiTimes said OmniVision, the supplier of CMOS image sensors for the iPhone, expects to see demand for its sensors in iPhones grow exponentially -- as high as 45 million. The report also said that OmniVision is set to supply a 5-megapixel camera for the next-generation iPhone, due to arrive in the second half of 2010.

In April, it was revealed that OmniVision was selected to provide the 3.2-megapixel sensor for the then-forthcoming iPhone 3GS. The supplier beat out Aptina, which provided the 2-megapixel camera used in the previous iPhone 3G.

OmniVision is expected to ship about 65 million total units to Apple in 2009, when the addition of iPods is included. The company also reportedly makes the sensor used for the 0.3-megapixel video camera in the latest iPod nano.

The company was also rumored to supply a camera for the latest iPod touch, though the part was eventually not included due to alleged hardware issues. Sources have told AppleInsider that a camera-equipped iPod touch remains in the plans for Apple's future products.

Evidence for plans of a camera in the iPod touch was bolstered by third-party cases with camera holes and even photos and video of an alleged prototype of the hardware. After it was released and taken apart, it was discovered that the new hardware includes space for an iPod nano-style video camera inside.

It should be noted that in August, DigiTimes also incorrectly reported that the iPod classic would receive a camera upgrade.

OmniVision is expected to ramp up its production of sensors beginning in the first quarter of 2010. The company was profitable last quarter for the first time in over a year, earning $8.1 million. Last year, the company lost $5.3 million in the same frame.
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So wait for the upgrade to 5MP before buying, fine with me.

After all if your going to take a picture, might as well take one that one can make decent 8 x 10 prints of.

I often see many good picture potentials, but don't always carry my camera, but one nearly always carries their cell phone.

Of course there is a problem with zoom with the iPhone...but with 5MP, you really can only zoom a little bit, just to crop out. Too much and too far, your picture gets distorted.

Heck anything is better than 2MP though.
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Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...
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Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...

Agreed. People are so taken in by the megapixels hype without considering the quality of the actual hardware and optics.
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post #6 of 30
It's not really important for me if it's 3, 5 or 12 megapixels.
What is important is to put in some optics that works much better than what Omnivision have delivered so far.
My old Sony Ericsson 2MP camera takes better pictures than my Iphone 3GS... which sucks so bad.
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Agreed. People are so taken in by the megapixels hype without considering the quality of the actual hardware and optics.

I just hope it is better than my 5MP droid that takes just terrible photos.
post #8 of 30
Can they stick a flash in it somehow? So many dark photos without one....
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It should be noted that in August, DigiTimes also incorrectly reported that the iPod classic would receive a camera upgrade.

DigiTimes is the worst source of tech news on the planet.
post #10 of 30
Flash please (both connotations)
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Originally Posted by Katonah View Post

Can they stick a flash in it somehow? So many dark photos without one....

I thought the idea of turnings the Apple logo into an LED flash was really good as it hides the light. I too am tired of the photo quality. It's not the resolution that needs fixing. The color noise is terrible.
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I thought the idea of turnings the Apple logo into an LED flash was really good as it hides the light. I too am tired of the photo quality. It's not the resolution that needs fixing. The color noise is terrible.


Not only would it conceal the LED but if they used the right material they could use it as a diffuser for much better photo lighting.
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I only need enough pixels to allow a little cropping and still have enough for a 4x6 print. I would never blow up any camera phone picture to 8x10, regardless of how many pixels it has it would be a pretty poor print. 3.2 megapixels is plenty for a 5x7 print. I'd rather they stick with that and focus on improving the quality (color, sensitivity, etc) of those pixels for faster shutter speeds. Most of the blurry cell phone photos you see are due to slow shutter speeds, not poor focusing.

However, the public are idiots and will continue to beg for more pixels, so that's what Apple will be forced to deliver or risk being perceived as falling behind.
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...

Absolutely.

It's even more critical with video since the minimum shutter speed is 1/60 second. You need a sensor that maximizes light gathering ability since you can't use flash for video. An onboard video light on an iPhone would be useless due to lack of coverage and battery consumption.
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Duncare. Getting it all as a bonus next summer. He-he, 3GSees, loving AT&T?

Since you post from France, I wonder what your level of personal experience is with AT&T?
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Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.

Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.

Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.
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Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.

Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.

Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.

Thank-you! Common sense is so hard to come by when it comes to digital camera features. I show most of my family how to turn down the MP because it's basically wasted. They don't need 20MB pics. My 10-year old Sony Cybershot was <2MP but took gorgeous photos due to high quality optics. 2MP is plenty for consumer use.

It would be nice if the next upgrade was iPhone/iTouch Camera, with a wholly improved camera lens (maybe larger) with flash built into the Apple logo.

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Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.

Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.

Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.

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I wouldn't mind a front-facing camera for wifi video iChatting.
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Since you post from France, I wonder what your level of personal experience is with AT&T?

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My 10-year old Sony Cybershot was <2MP but took gorgeous photos due to high quality optics..

You gotta be kidding me! Sony always loved to go "Carl Zeiss lens" especially back then. Problem was their sensors were the noisiest pieces of shit I've ever used with next to no colour consistency on any colour/level (except the Fuji S500 which promptly got returned to the store).
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What's really fascinating is how all the hatred of AT&T and their crappy service, dropped calls, poor voice quality, lost signals, few bars, lost voice mails or whatever complaints can be so quickly tossed aside by a simple story as "iPhone to have 5 Mega Pixel Camera!"

Then everybody goes into their, pro or con viewpoints of a 5 MP Camera on the iPhone or need for a flash or a front facing camera. For what? So when you get it, you go back to saying I hate AT&T and their crappy service for absolutely ruining the iPhone experience?

Out of all the replies I have read from the various Rumor/News sites that posted the 5 MP Camera for the iPhone rumor, did I come across one saying...

"Of all the things I wish the iPhone had regarding internals and specs, I wish Apple would put a miniature AT&T MicroCell like contracption to increase AT&T signal strength, since AT&T is apparently not doing enough, fast enough to improve the network, seeing that AT&T is the sole carrier for the iPhone for now and then I wouldn't have to watch on SNL a "news" skit about the iPhone challenge of being a phone!

So, we'll get our 5MP iPhone camera and then it's back to AT&T sucks, I wish the iPhone was on Verizon!

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I would like to see what is considered nice picture in a dark club. A flash in a dark room essentially produces a washed out picture. There are some sensors that can capture a picture in extreme low light conditions but there are trade offs for everything. The best way to take a nice picture is to have proper ambient lighting.

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Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...
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However, the public are idiots and will continue to beg for more pixels, so that's what Apple will be forced to deliver or risk being perceived as falling behind.

I agree with the idiots part. Most camera users in general don't know an F-stop from a pixel. Apple can deal with this in a couple ofvways one being educational marketing and two would be to sell a cell phone where the built in camera is less than an after thought.

In this thread many have already highlighted the technical issues with respect to sensor and optics but one thing that is missed is the "shutter release". I submit that the silly touch release mechanism is a huge factor in the marginal quality of iPhone cameras. A steady camera means sharper pictures. In the case of iPhone the shake is so bad that it is not likely that stabilization techniques would help.

The other problem here is Apples thin cases. There is only so much that can go into a few mm of hieght. Apple needs to think seriosly about this.

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So would I, the effective range of the LED's that are used as "flashes" in most phone camera's is around 1 metre (yard), if you want the same functionality a $2 LED torch will do the trick.

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I would like to see what is considered nice picture in a dark club. A flash in a dark room essentially produces a washed out picture. There are some sensors that can capture a picture in extreme low light conditions but there are trade offs for everything. The best way to take a nice picture is to have proper ambient lighting.
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$2 LED torch will do the trick.

Most of us typically leave our flashlights at home.
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Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.

Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.

Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.

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I wouldn't mind a front-facing camera for wifi video iChatting.

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Most of us typically leave our flashlights at home.

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post #30 of 30
I work in a mobile phone dealership, and the iPhone is slowly becoming a joke.
I FREAKING LOVE my iPhone, but with no videocall & a SHOITE camera with no flash, our iPhone sales have gone through the floor.
Customers laugh at the suggestion of an iPhone now, even though the software far surpasses the functionality and ease of use of any other manufacturer.
The hardware is embarrassing, and 5MP will NOT cut the mustard.
Cheapo PAYG mobiles have 5MP cameras. NOT high-end handsets. =(
Sad times.
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