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Further fueling a whirlwind of tablet-related speculation Wednesday, some app developers have reportedly been told by Apple to prepare new versions of their software for a "full screen resolution" demo next month.

"Apple is preparing to show off a new, larger mobile device with a higher resolution display in January -- probably a version of the Apple tablet we've been hearing about for months -- according to a plugged-in source in the mobile industry," Silicon Alley Insider reported Wednesday.

The source reportedly said that developers were asked to prepare their apps for a demo next month by making them support a full-screen resolution, rather than the fixed 320x480 pixel size of the iPhone and iPod touch screen. The source said applications that can accommodate the larger screen size will run "just fine" on the new device.

The report also alleged that the device will not go on sale in January, but will simply be demoed. It is assumed that Apple wants to give other developers more time to prepare their applications to run on larger screens.

The rumor would suggest that the tablet runs a version of the iPhone OS, as it is alleged to be compatible with existing iPhone and iPod touch apps, albeit at a higher resolution.

The Silicon Alley Insider report was another in a number of tablet-related rumors that cropped up Wednesday. Earlier reports suggested a January unveiling, with mass production expected to start as soon as February. That could put it on track for March release. Another report alleged that Apple was working on a tablet with a 7-inch screen size, contrary to many longstanding claims of a 10-inch screen, though speculation has suggested Apple could release both form factors.

Various publications have connected the tablet and its anticipated formal announcement with two recent moves by Apple: the purchase of music streaming service Lala, which is expected to result in an overhaul of the iTunes service, and the company's alleged negotiations with CBS and Walt Disney to allow a TV subscription plan. The tablet is expected to be portrayed as a multimedia device capable of browsing the Web, watching movies, and reading content.

Various publishers have prepared for the tablet, even though it has not been officially announced. But numerous rumors have indicated that Apple has reached out to various print publications about providing their content on a new form factor.
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What is the resolution of Full Screen?

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The Great iPhone Fragmentation continues . . . .

i see what you did there.
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This gets me fairly excited. I hope for a larger Ipod Touch and then something larger running OS X.
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This gets me fairly excited. I hope for a larger Ipod Touch and then something larger running OS X.

OS X is not made to be touch screen, iPhone OS is. So tablet will run next generation of iPhone OS.
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The Great iPhone Fragmentation continues . . . .

3 years and 150,000 apps later, Apple has finally decided it's time to move on.
The iPod/iPhone platform is firmly entrenched.
One of the reasons apple waited this long is to avoid fragmentation.
Mission accomplished. Now it is time to extend the platform in new directons.
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They mean with bigger screen not the size of a tablet but television size, so that they can compete with consoles. Furthermore, they will provide a multitouch interface to interact with the new designed apple tv, including subscription plans,...
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The Great iPhone Fragmentation continues . . . .

yes that's very amusing and all, but the tablet isn't an iPhone, and two things to develop for is much better then 10

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OS X is not made to be touch screen, iPhone OS is. So tablet will run next generation of iPhone OS.

but iPhone OS is OS X, it isn't Mac OS X, but this tablet is going to be something between a Mac and an iPhone.
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A high resolution iphone / ipod touch would seriously make my balls wet.
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What if that simply means they're upping the screen resolution of the existing iPhone for a PPI that's comparable to the "beautiful" droid screen? It seems to be a common point of reference for something that the Droid has as an advantage over the iPhone. To be competitive, Apple will have to make sure apps will work well at multiple resolutions (and resolution independent if it is for the tablet), and this could be what they're doing now. That being said, a tablet would be a way better announcement regardless what this speculation actually means for how soon it will be released.
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What is the resolution of Full Screen?

Full screen means flexible based on the arbitrary window size, whether it be 640x480 to HD 1080p and beyond.

OS X application developers deal with this all the time as they don't know what the output resolution is going to be on the end user's device.
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At least it would shut up all the fanboys who have now moved on to whining about the iPhones "low resolution" screen.

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A high resolution iphone / ipod touch would seriously make my balls wet.
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What if that simply means they're upping the screen resolution of the existing iPhone for a PPI that's comparable to the "beautiful" droid screen? It seems to be a common point of reference for something that the Droid has as an advantage over the iPhone. To be competitive, Apple will have to make sure apps will work well at multiple resolutions (and resolution independent if it is for the tablet), and this could be what they're doing now. That being said, a tablet would be a way better announcement regardless what this speculation actually means for how soon it will be released.

The droid screen is gorgeous, well for that 4 hours that you have enough power to run it =)

Actually a friend got one and loves it so much, she just can't figure out why her battery is dead by 5pm every day
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Wow.
Odds are not that they're replacing the screen with 800x480 or such but that they need what amounts to resolution independence which points to a new device. I predict something AS USEFUL as a netbook without the need for a full desktop OS. Kindle 1-2 sized works for me, but 90% screen.
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Wow.
Odds are not that they're replacing the screen with 800x480 or such but that they need what amounts to resolution independence which points to a new device. I predict something AS USEFUL as a netbook without the need for a full desktop OS. Kindle 1-2 sized works for me, but 90% screen.

Theyve done a January spec bump once before with the original iPhone but I agree that its unlikely unless the current iPhone sales have been faltering with more adept competitors in the market.

The full screen apps demo comment is odd since full screen has no baring on the size or resolution. Perhaps they want developers to replace bitmaps with vector graphics to make them more resolution independent.

If this is for a tablet demo I think this means that the tablet will be ARM-based. I hope that you can run multiple apps in a windowed mode similar to the iPhone Simulator in the SDK.
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The 10.3" iTablet will be running the iPhone OS and be on the Verison network.
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The 10.3" iTablet will be running the iPhone OS and be on the Verison network.

iTablet won't be a phone.

It'll have Wifi but it won't be a phone. It may have VOIP but it won't be a phone.
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When people talk about Android fragmentation, they are talking about different user interface, difference OS version, different hardware capabilities. Developer would have to make their apps compatible for all of these variances.

The reason their is no such fragmentation with the iPhone OS is because all of the devices use the same OS version and the same user interface. The only difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution. The tablet will also likely be able to multitask, but that doesn't really change anything for how a developer would create compatible apps for all devices.



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Game-changer.

Very nice. Confirmed. And it looks like Apple beat everyone to the punch on this one.
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The 10.3" iTablet will be running the iPhone OS and be on the Verison network.

So why the additional 0.3?

Why do you think that it will be running iPhone OS? I cant imagine that having 16 huge icons or having the same sized icons but with dozens on the screen makes much sense from a UI standpoint. Id wager that its going to be a hybrid behind the iPhone OS and Mac OS frameworks and foundations with an entirely new UI setup specially for a 10 display whose main interaction is finger-baed multi-touch. Other tablets and many smartphones have failed or been unfulfilling by trying to shoe-horn an OS designed for one platform into another platform. Just look at the iPhone to see that its success comes from not following everyone else down that consumer unfriendly road.
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Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.

And Apple better add Flash support to the iPhone OS browser, or the tablet really will be (even more) pointless.
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When people talk about Android fragmentation, they are talking about different user interface, difference OS version, different hardware capabilities. Developer would have to make their apps compatible for all of these variances.

The reason their is no such fragmentation with the iPhone OS is because all of the devices use the same OS version and the same user interface. The only difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution.

Like getting websites to use internet standards when IE6 from 2001(?) is still the most dominate browser. Arent most devices on Android v1.6 still despite v2.0 having come out months ago?
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But it would be able to use mobile broadband. There is less reason why Apple could not use a hybrid GSM/CDMA radio chip in a tablet.

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iTablet won't be a phone.

It'll have Wifi but it won't be a phone. It may have VOIP but it won't be a phone.
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Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.

Why do you assume this is the case?

Do you honestly think Apple, of all companies, is capable of such a thing??? Jeez . . .
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Yes I'm confused about that. Do Android users have to get their OS updates from the carrier or do they voluntarily update the phone.

I think Apple is smart in how they are getting around this problem. By forcing developers to update their apps to the next OS version and the new apps are not compatible with the old OS. That forces people to upgrade the OS.

Thankfully the anchor that IE 6 had become on web development is slowing fading away.

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Like getting websites to use internet standards when IE6 from 2001(?) is still the most dominate browser. Aren’t most devices on Android v1.6 still despite v2.0 having come out months ago?
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Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.

Which may be the reason why Apple is requesting devs to make their apps looks great on higher res displays.

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And Apple better add Flash support to the iPhone OS browser, or the tablet really will be (even more) pointless.

A tablet likely running on ARM, still with no HW acceleration even in the new Flash Beta for OS X, Adboes inability to get Flash 10.1 out to the other devices with a remote ability to make even watching Hulu videos in Flash feasible when they finally do, plus their success with the iPhone without Flash and push for HTTP Streaming makes me think that Adobe Flash will not be available for some time.
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Full screen means flexible based on the arbitrary window size, whether it be 640x480 to HD 1080p and beyond.

OS X application developers deal with this all the time as they don't know what the output resolution is going to be on the end user's device.

Well thats not **entirely true**

Developers know the most popular selling computers currently in use... Once upon a time it was the 15" CRT iMac and while other Mac models existed with different screen sizes the iMac v1.0 was the 'sweet spot' where most developers knew they should shoot for.

Fast forward they still know they need to shoot for a 'sweet spot' when developing application today. Granted the resolution is much greater now and somewhat more diverse but in the end the developers know that if they code their app expecting it to be seen on a 30" LCD display it would severely limit their potential audience and instead probably shoot for the current default resolution of the Mac Book as the average screen size.

The problem is there is no 'sweet spot' to shoot for without some insight from Apple since this is a brand new device.
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Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.

And Apple better add Flash support to the iPhone OS browser, or the tablet really will be (even more) pointless.

The apps won't be blurry cause they will run "Full Screen". I would like flash as well.

If this is a tablet, then I am relatively exited. This could replace what people call netbooks (crapbooks) for good. Especially if the price is right. But it could also impact macbook air sales, cause if a tablet can run OSx and intel atom, a mobile computer user might not want a full featured laptop. Anywho, happy exiting apple year everyone!
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Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.

Which may be the reason why Apple is requesting devs to make their apps looks great on higher res displays.

Yeah why wouldn't a developer upscale their app, its not difficult to do, and supports a larger user base.


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A tablet likely running on ARM, still with no HW acceleration even in the new Flash Beta for OS X, Adboes inability to get Flash 10.1 out to the other devices with a remote ability to make even watching Hulu videos in Flash feasible when they finally do, plus their success with the iPhone without Flash and push for HTTP Streaming makes me think that Adobe Flash will not be available for some time.

I think even more than hardware its a philosophical point for Apple. They want the internet to be ruled by web standards. Apple is going through all of this effort to support and grow webkit, h.264, HTML5, and now HTTP Live Streaming. Continuing to support Flash would render this effort for nothing.
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When people talk about Android fragmentation, they are talking about different user interface, difference OS version, different hardware capabilities. Developer would have to make their apps compatible for all of these variances.

The reason their is no such fragmentation with the iPhone OS is because all of the devices use the same OS version and the same user interface. The only difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution. The tablet will also likely be able to multitask, but that doesn't really change anything for how a developer would create compatible apps for all devices.

When people talk about iPhone/iPod/iTablet fragmentation, they are talking about different user interface, difference OS version, different hardware capabilities. Developer would have to make their apps compatible for all of these variances.

The reason there is such fragmentation with the iPhone OS is because all of the devices use different OS versions and different user interfaces. One such difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution and changing the underlying hardware. The tablet will also likely be able to multitask, and this inherently radically changes everything for how a developer would create compatible apps for all devices.
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The apps won't be blurry cause they will run "Full Screen.

Not to be pedantic, but my iPhone with a 3.5 320x480 display runs all apps full screen. Without quantifying it with a size, resolution or type (even saying using SVG) this article really is puzzling to me.
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this, along with the tablet rumor article recently posted, i think is getting the wrong idea here. every month it seems there's an article about apple bringing out a tablet.

this is probably just a higher resolution iphone. new phones like the nokia n900 are coming out with much higher resolution screens than the iphone. i would think it's just an iphone update.

i don't think anything about steve jobs' thought process would allude to a tablet, at least like anything we've seen thus far. microsoft's idea of tablet pcs was a complete failure. i think apple knows that people either want a laptop, or something that fits completely in their pocket. nothing in between.

and people don't want handwriting recognition.
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When people talk about iPhone/iPod/iTablet fragmentation

You can't talk about something that doesn't actually exist.
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I dunno. The LaLa and CBS/Disney deals, plus asking for apps that run "full screen" all point to a new and improved AppleTV with game app store, music streaming, TV subscriptions ,etc.

We'll see.
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What fragmentation are you talking about? There is no fragmentation.

Currently there is no UI fragmentation between the iPhone/ iPod Touch, they use the exact same UI. Looking at the history of Apple's design philosophy Apple likes cohesion between its software and UI. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a tablet UI would be radically different from the iPhone UI.

An iPhone OS tablet will likely have some slight differences in that there are some things that would work better on a larger canvas, but the basic touchscreen elements will be the same.

What exactly would a developer have to radically change because of multitasking?


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When people talk about iPhone/iPod/iTablet fragmentation, they are talking about different user interface, difference OS version, different hardware capabilities. Developer would have to make their apps compatible for all of these variances.

The reason there is such fragmentation with the iPhone OS is because all of the devices use different OS versions and different user interfaces. One such difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution and changing the underlying hardware. The tablet will also likely be able to multitask, and this inherently radically changes everything for how a developer would create compatible apps for all devices.
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So we're all excited about this but can anyone image having an iTablet? What benefit does it have over a Macbook?

I'd rather have an iMac with a touch screen that can be removed from the base. The base would be used as a WiFi access point. This has been done before but it would be neat if Apple would do it.
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You can't talk about something that doesn't actually exist.

It does actually exist. I already explained it. Different versions of mobile OS X, different hardware capabilities, different interfaces.

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What fragmentation are you talking about? There is no fragmentation. Currently there is no UI fragmentation between the iPhone/ iPod Touch, they use the exact same UI. Looking at the history of Apple's design philosophy Apple likes cohesion between its software and UI. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a tablet UI would be radically different from the iPhone UI. An iPhone OS tablet will very well have some slight differences in that there are some things that would work better on a larger canvas, but the basic UI will be the same. What exactly would a developer have to radically change because of multitasking?

There is obvious fragmentation of the iPhone/iPod Touch/iTablet. Just open your eyes and look at the very fact that there are multiple different hardware AND software iterations of the iPhone and iPod, and soon to be iTablet. iPhone 2g, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPod touch 1st gen, 2nd gen, iTablet 1st gen.

When one device can multitask, and others can't, then you can see the fragmentation.

Take the blinders off. The fragmentation is right in front of you.




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One such difference for the tablet is increasing the screen resolution and changing the underlying hardware. The tablet will also likely be able to multitask, and this inherently radically changes everything for how a developer would create compatible apps for all devices.

That would be a change and I think the demo in January with a release around March is likely important for several reasons.

1) Introducing a new SDK that will give developers plenty of time to update their apps for the tablet platform, which will be done by most (though not all) that people use since to expand your app to a new platform with little effort will likely result in more money.

2) There are likely subscribers not on board and the demo can serve as way to letting them know they need to play ball or be left in the dust by the already signed subscribers.

3) Showing us the device HW and UI with the way subscriptions will be purchased, received and viewed to help spark interest and free press. As well as feedback for any UI tweaks before launch.

To a lesser extent for demoing

a) It may have an

option for carrier subsidization to lower the initial price or simply be at full price with no 3G card, either way significant investment for many that may require some thought.

b) It needs to launch a few months before the next iPhone to hopefully not affect sales since there will likely be some minor overlapping.
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It does actually exist. I already explained it. Different versions of mobile OS X, different hardware capabilities, different interfaces.



Gee, really fragmented. There is no way I cold figure out the 3GS with v3.0 after using the original or 3G iPhone with v3.0.

fragment: a part broken or separated off something, to break up or fragment.

evolution: the gradual development of something, to grow or to modify.

A different example…
Windows 7 is the evolution of Windows over Windows Vista which is the evolution of earlier versions of Windows and DOS. Each Windows version is fragmented into different types of installs, from basic to feature filled, from upgrade-only-to full-install.
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