Originally Posted by ifail
I've yet to experience Windows just bogging to death
I love how the miracle windows operators come out of the woodwork in these kinds of discussions
I'm happy for you. You are in the minority. If this was the non-issue you are trying to portray it to be, it wouldn't be discussed with such frequency on websites and tech blogs, and there wouldn't be a whole cottage industry of registry cleaners and programs to speed windows up.
On the other hand, when I purchased my MacBook Pro, I hooked it into my 5 year old PowerBook G4 and transferred all my programs and files over. I didn't even have to re-install any software. Sure it took about 5 hours to copy everything over, but it was almost 200GB's of data and applications. And if I do have an issue with my OS, I can do an archive and install or a re-install under 10.6 - and all my settings and programs are preserved.
Windows has no equivalent. The registry sucks. It's a bad design. What brilliant person thought it was a good idea to put all the critical system settings in an easily corruptible flat database with no fault tolerance? At least with preference files on the Mac, if I have a problem with one application it's just that one application, not my whole system. I'm not going to render my Mac unbootable by deleting a preference file, but you can kill a windows install in the registry editor if you aren't very careful.
Anyways now that Apple has switched to Intel I'd say they have the same failure rate and are equally spec'd against comparable pc's neglecting displays.
There are different levels of quality in parts - not all suppliers are created equally. Also, the way they are put together matters too. But it's just not about parts that fail - as you point out, that affects everyone at one point or another...
I read far too often about Apple products failing and not being more than a few years old, To me its a fact of life and you expect things to die eventually so I will just go out and say that the hardware itself has the same life as its pc brethren which isn't surprising seeing as how they are near identical now.
See, that's where you are wrong. I have plenty of older PC's that still work - the key difference is, because you can get lower end components, people often do. Focused on short term costs and not overall life cycle. The difference is those PC's are practically useless running todays software. I have a machine I built and it takes only 1 gig of RAM! Now true, I built it to do one specific task at the time, but if I had spent $50 more on a better motherboard, that machine would be useful for so much more. It can make a good firewall right now, but that's about it. I learned my lesson on that one. The upper middle - that's where you want to be. Best overall value for money expended. That's the space that Apple excels at (and why they have a market cap that exceeds google).
Take Dell for example, I just went over and started browsing through their desktop machines - not until you get up into the $600 machines do you hit computers that can take more than 4 gigs of RAM. How future proof is that? Memory is one of the best things you can do to improve performance, cost for cost. Even the Mac mini can take 8 gigs of RAM now. Yeah, you can buy a $300 machine today - but the next version of Office will render it basically unusable.
So yes, you can buy cheaper PC's - but at the expense of long term usage and flexibility.
Paying the Apple tax
There is no Apple tax. You can buy a quality machine, or you can buy cheaper less capable hardware. If you want a stripped, bare bones experience, congratulations - there are plenty of Windows PC vendors who are happy to oblige you.
paying the Apple tax in enterprise is about as silly as they come
Really? Feature for feature, the iMac is a great machine. It's all-in-one form factor is very clean and easy to deploy. It reduces clutter in an employee's work area. Mac's have fewer issues than PC's, starting with the lack of viruses or malware, easier software and OS maintenance and overall more pleasurable user experience. Their industrial design is top notch. We have less help desk tickets from our Mac users - that's something we can and do measure. Facts - the opposite of made up "feelings" in an Internet forum.
we don't care about a flashy dock or expose, or the Apple experience, we care first and foremost about doing work and being easy to manage and watch (they keep a sharp eye on everyone who sits at a computer at work)
Then computers that simply work better from the start should be of great interest to you. Unless you have some innately irrational dislike for Mac's (or just a lack of experience - why are you on a Mac site again?)
Macs aren't compatible with our software we run at the resort, so it will never be an option for us unless we put Windows on it, in which point we could have just bought a PC. It would be nice to see a bit of experimentation at work, but I know it won't happen.
Then that's the best reason to not use a Mac. They aren't for everyone, but where they can work they often make a great fit. Our users think so.
Still Apple will be fine, they make their money on the consumer segment and MS dominates the enterprise and consumer market. Apple doesn't need to change the formula from what their doing to be successful
Your absolutely right - Apple is already successful - with a minority market share they take a majority profit.
But there still is room for them to improve. As I have said, between the iPhone and the maturing of Mac OSX, I expect Apple to start moving in and taking the high end of the enterprise computer business just like they have in the consumer space. The timing is good, and OSX 10.6 integrates into an Active Directory/Exchange environment very well. As they have shown in the consumer space, they don't have to take the majority of the market share to be successful. They just have to take the most profitable chunks. I have no doubt they will eventually do it - they already have a demonstrated track record in the consumer space for computers, for music players and now smartphones. It's not a fluke, they know their target markets and how to win them. When they finally do "get serious" about the enterprise, it will
be very obvious. And yes, they are paying attention. Trust me, so is MS and vendors like Dell, HP, Acer, etc.