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A lot more people who like it bother writing reviews.
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I meant to say with the Exception of mactripper

Considering how emotional people get about mice, I'd say the trolling factor in here is rather low all things considered. The mouse is not perfect. I tried to use it for month and finally got a new mouse last week. It was just too irritating, although I did love the tracking. It felt very precise and it doesn't have that annoying 'wake-up' factor that is common with bluetooth mice. Other than that though, it irritates too much to be usable for heavy day to day use.
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Free download to enable those features: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...agicprefs.html

Totally cool. I wish they were making this easier to find so everyone would know about it.
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That is a somewhat subjective opinion. I can think of several bits of hardware (most first-gen in each respective category, in fact) that Apple has got more than a little bit `wrong'. I agree though that they are good at refining over time. Also on the OS side (just to pick one example from a numerous list), I still pine for having properly network exported multi-user remote login and display like X11 and/or even MS RDP. [and yes, I realise the average home user wouldn't even know what this is, let alone want it...]

Yeah I'm not a huge Fan of the mouse concept in general since laptops trackpads have evolved. Though I'm seriously considering a Top End iMac for Photography purposes & HD Video so it's nice to see this revolutionary device as a standard option.



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Actually, I want it to have 4TB SSD with a TDP of 1W and at least a 50hr battery life. Anything else is just like... totally lame. Oh, it needs to be able to power my car too. Over the air. From home.







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Again (subjectively) I hate wireless, and hope that Apple does refine the mighty-mouse to be wired (or at least have the option). Without that, I will not touch it with a barge pole. Even if it can remotely power my car. As to the mouse itself though, it is good to see Apple have appealed to a reasonable number of users. It would be interesting to see how many of those who bought the micky-um, magic mouse were upgrading from a previous Apple [not so mighty?] mouse, a different brand or even as an external mouse for a laptop, As a predominantly laptop user myself though, I don't see the appeal in that category as it lacks for me the additional gesture support of the trackpads.

I never understood why some pros or even home users use a mouse with a laptop
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Considering how emotional people get about mice, I'd say the trolling factor in here is rather low all things considered. The mouse is not perfect. I tried to use it for month and finally got a new mouse last week. It was just too irritating, although I did love the tracking. It felt very precise and it doesn't have that annoying 'wake-up' factor that is common with bluetooth mice. Other than that though, it irritates too much to be usable for heavy day to day use.

I'm open (like you were) to the new mouse, but if it becomes a headache I'll be glad to go wired. Your right the mouse isn't perfect but its a great start to something better in the pipeline. NO DEVICE is perfect cause if it were, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANYMORE APPLE EVENTS ..... I PERSONALLY COULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT THAT
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I never understood why some pros or even home users use a mouse with a laptop

you get more precision with a mouse than a touchpad. and there's the "i dont like touchpads" reasoning.
post #47 of 202
I'm actually quite a fan of the Magic Mouse. I wasn't so big on the Mighty Mouse (I actually hated that one). It took me a day or two to get used to the new low profile, but something about it feels really nice, now. It's a fairly basic mouse only having two buttons but my mouse complexity needs are pretty standard. I LOVE the two finger swipe to go back and the scrolling without a wheel/ball is phenomenal. The bottom of the mouse can sound a little scratchy, but besides that, I love the thing. This is the first Apple mouse I've ever really dug.
post #48 of 202
I find it bizarre that an Apple mouse made for Mac only, and supported fully only on Snow Leopard Macs, outsells more obvious mouse choices like Kensington, Targus, and even Razer. Probably temporary, but interesting. I do love the scrolling on itSO much better than any other mouse. I wish it had more buttons for gamers, but I have a 12-button Logitech for that. Sono Magic Mouse for me yet.

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Add middle click and the expose/dashboard functionality lost from the mighty mouse and it would do far better than double.

I say, just let us re-assign 2-finger swipes, in all FOUR directions, to whatever we want. Just like you could do with the old Mighty Mouse buttons. (Plus assigning keystrokes, please!)

Side-swiping is awkward and best reserved for seldom-used functions (much like the old Mighty Mouse side buttons). And I understand why the dont let you program swipe up/down: they want you to be able to scroll with 2 fingers instead of 1, because you probably have that habit from Apple laptops. But give us an option to put Exposé stuff on instead. And/or enable 3-finger swiping, which works great foe Exposé on Apple laptops.
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you get more precision with a mouse than a touchpad. and there's the "i dont like touchpads" reasoning.

I overlooked both and especially the latter (which is probably obvious enough). Thanks Zep
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A lot more people who like it bother writing reviews.

No.

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post #51 of 202
Huh, no one has mentioned the Windows hack

I've been using a Magic Mouse on my Windows 7 HTPC for nearly a month, no multi touch, but it's pretty sweet.

http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/
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Add middle click and the expose/dashboard functionality lost from the mighty mouse and it would do far better than double.

Download BetterTouchTool. It is free and being (very) actively developed. It adds loads of gestures to the Magic Mouse. I've for example used it to assign a three fingered click to cmd-click and a two-finger tap to application expose and three-finger tap to expose.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Yes and it was called the "Mighty Mouse"

A abortion of a mouse like I have never seen before.

So you thought this was a good mouse?


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So you thought this was a good mouse?



Sometimes when you push the envelope and make innovation a priority, you're liable to go in some odd directions. I'm more forgiving with Apple in this regard.
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So you thought this was a good mouse?



I forgot about this ... Quadra is right though
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post #56 of 202
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So you thought this was a good mouse?



i think i took one of my high school's broken one, ripped the cord off, and played hallway hockey with it.
post #57 of 202
I want an iPhone that's also a mouse.
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Originally Posted by city View Post

I want an iPhone that's also a mouse.

Close . . .

Appe Store ---> Search ---> "remote" or "trackpad"
post #59 of 202
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Originally Posted by MobileMe View Post

The quotes above me validate my statements. A positive discussion or a discussion on how Apple can improve it's current hardware is always welcomed... but the comments above are not and fall into the category of Drive-by Trolling IMO.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MACTRIPPER ACTUALLY


Well since you brought my name into it.

You see, I've used Apple mice, Microsoft mice and the lovely Logitech mice for years, since Apple Computer came out with that first square brick of a mouse with the single click button on top.

I've cleaned zillions of mouse balls and rollers, know all about human oils, it's natural transfer and how it hardens in mice, getting picked up from mouse pads, and even how it hardens around the water line in hot tubs etc.

The Mighty Mouse had a roller scroll ball on the top with tiny, hard to handle, inaccessible rollers inside, so any hair, dirt or human oils could not be cleaned off the device without opening and ruining the device, although somebody did post a detailed surgery method that could clean the device and superglue it back together.

So I accurately predicted that people would have a problem with the device based upon this alone, not to mention the default setting that made even grabbing the new mouse do unexpected things as well as the difficulty right clicking etc.

Sure enough the complaints started rolling in over the years and people dumped the Mighty Mouse for something else.

So you see, some of us KNOW what we are talking about and we know Apple's tendency to just design a device or product based upon looks and style and not much upon usability or function. We can't always write a book for every Apple defender explaining in detail why some Apple products suck eggs, so you just have to take some people's word for it and hope Apple is listening and open to change.

If Apple would do some product testing they would know their mice and other things suck, but their marketing approach is to make things slim and stylish with a lot of eye candy and flashy reflections to induce a impulse luxury purchase, not so much on the usability or functionality. They tend to keep their future products a closely guarded secret until release, thus feeding the rumor mills and driving demand that way.

Apple has their particular marketing method and it works for their niche market approach, but I'm willing to bet Logitech has sold more mice in its short existence than Apple has sold (unbundled) in it's entire existence.




The most advanced, comfortable, easy to use and human friendly mice I have ever used have been from Logitech.

The fanciest, valueless and most uncomfortable mice have been from Apple.

The uglyist and cheapest, but very functional mice, have been from Microsoft.
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post #60 of 202
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Could you point me to the spot in the article where they called the Magic Mouse a good mouse? It has had good sales for a while now. That doesn't make it a quality product. McDonald's food isn't a quality product but it sells really well too.

You have a point, they didnt, but on the flip side McDonalds also doesnt cost more than a high-end steak house which does indicate that the Magic Mouse is liked, not just used because its cheap and convenient.



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A lot more people who like it bother writing reviews.

It seems people are quicker to complain than compliment so I have to assume that the product is being well received.


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Download BetterTouchTool. It is free and being (very) actively developed. It adds loads of gestures to the Magic Mouse. I've for example used it to assign a three fingered click to cmd-click and a two-finger tap to application expose and three-finger tap to expose.

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So you thought this was a good mouse?

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post #61 of 202
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Originally Posted by MobileMe View Post

See again. Nothing constructive in her entire post.

This person needs to just build there own mouse or don't label one product to the next.... Here's what they should have said

Caliminius: " I used Apple's MM once and didn't have a great experience, I may try it out in there stores but until then I'll stick with other manufactures "

You don't say crappy or POS (Another poster said this not her).... Thats what I mean by positive and constructive posting.

Thanks for telling me what I should write.

The Mighty Mouse is/was a crappy POS. I've used one quite extensively, thank you very much, not just once. As I said in my OP, I'm struggling with the POS when I try to use my iMac until I buy a replacement. The scroll ball is easily a terrible design as it gets gunk in it way too easily and they've made it nearly impossible to clean properly so any fix for it is a very temporary fix. Likewise the shape is not very ergonomic and extended use makes my hand cramp up. The side pressure buttons were impossible for me to reach without removing my hand from the mouse. And right-clicking is an easy route to frustration.

If the first Microsoft mouse I bought had sucked as much as the Mighty Mouse, I would never have bought another Microsoft mouse. Given the poor user experience, Apple doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with the Magic Mouse.
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If the first Microsoft mouse I bought had sucked as much as the Mighty Mouse, I would never have bought another Microsoft mouse. Given the poor user experience, Apple doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with the Magic Mouse.

Perhaps they should, given the evidence.

Why not buy one just to test it? Hang on to the receipt, box, and pamphlet(s), and return in 30 days if you don't like it. Best Buy has this policy, for example.


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I guess you must have a Magic Mouse and used it extensively to able to arrive at such a stern conclusion. I personally do not remember seeing any mouse that features a multi-touch surface other than Apple's new mouse, if you do can you share a link?

That depends on whether multi-touch is really that much of a priority. I'm sure it's quite nice, but I don't think it's for everyone. Then there's the ergonomics, one size doesn't fit all, it's probably good for 50 to 80 percent of users, but too big or small for those outside that range.

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Did you read the article? Might help to put an <anecdotal> tag after your post to help others distinguish reality from opinion.

Somehow, I understood that it was just a person's opinion.

If people have a positive opinion, should they too be expected to use an anecdotal tag? Somehow, I doubt it, it's really a double standard in disguise as far as I can tell.

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A lot more people who like it bother writing reviews.

In general, people seem a lot more likely to go about complaining about a product if they don't like it. The happy users tend to just use their product.

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you get more precision with a mouse than a touchpad. and there's the "i dont like touchpads" reasoning.

I'm like that myself. If I'm just on a couch fiddling around the web, I'll use the touch pad, if I'm doing work, I'll use a mouse and computer on a table or desk. I wouldn't give up the touch pad, but it's not for everything either.
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Perhaps they should, given the evidence.

Why not buy one just to test it? Hang on to the receipt, box, and pamphlet(s), and return in 30 days if you don't like it. Best Buy has this policy, for example.

didnt it come with the system itself?
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I never understood why some pros or even home users use a mouse with a laptop


Because a mouse allows greater precision and comfort with the ability to increase functionality and programmable buttons.

I saw a guy who had a four button mouse, scroll ball, thumb scroll and god knows what else.

Did a lot of video work and it saved him time, he hardly ever touched the keyboard, so having his hand on the side, arm in a straight line, instead of twisted and strained to access a center mounted trackpad, was more comfortable and less a chore during long hours.
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didnt it come with the system itself?

Yes. It comes separately as well.
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Thanks for telling me what I should write.

Your Welcome . I'll be glad to help you again or anyone else for that matter.
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Yes. It comes separately as well.

right. but then if it came with the system, he cant exactly return that portion can he?
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Yeah, the Magic Mouse is a marked improvement over the Mighty mouse and any other previous Apple mouse. But that's where the praise needs to stop.

It absolutely sucks compared to anything else. Tracking is poor on most surfaces, scrolling (or smearing on this mouse) is awful, the shape is not ergonomic, and the material for the runners isn't even low-friction. It's just plain awful, and I want my money back.

Logitech's mouse software drivers may blow, but their hardware is solid. My two year old VX Nano is way, way better even without all the buttons assigned special functions.

My bet is that most people buying this mouse haven't spent much time with it before hand and made their purchase to get the latest thing. I certainly did, and I regret it.


PS: Oh, then there is the environmentally unfriendly and useless plastic packaging it comes in. As much plastic as in the mouse, and no way to use it for some other purpose. There's no snap or hinge to hold the lid in place - my kids wouldn't even play with it. What an incredible waste!
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Because a mouse allows greater precision and comfort with the ability to increase functionality and programmable buttons.

I saw a guy who had a four button mouse, scroll ball, thumb scroll and god knows what else.

Did a lot of video work and it saved him time, he hardly ever touched the keyboard, so having his hand on the side, arm in a straight line, instead of twisted and strained to access a center mounted trackpad, was more comfortable and less a chore during long hours.

WOW another side I didn't notice. Efficiency ... I guess to each his/her own and I def respect that!
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It seems people are quicker to complain than compliment so I have to assume that the product is being well received.

Fanboy, please.
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right. but then if it came with the system, he cant exactly return that portion can he?

Probably not. But since he admitted he's never used one, I'm guessing he bought a system that didn't come with a Magic Mouse. Unless you mean it in general terms.
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Thanks for telling me what I should write.

The Mighty Mouse is/was a crappy POS.

When can we expect you to release an amazing competitor to the Magic Mouse???

You obviously have superb expertise in the area of Mouse development. To con't say it's Crappy and a POS. "Hate Speech shows the Heart, your Heart reflects you, and from what I see there's nothing to look at " - Protestor for equality
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Yeah, the Magic Mouse is a marked improvement over the Mighty mouse and any other previous Apple mouse. But that's where the praise needs to stop.

It absolutely sucks compared to anything else. Tracking is poor on most surfaces, scrolling (or smearing on this mouse) is awful, the shape is not ergonomic, and the material for the runners isn't even low-friction. It's just plain awful, and I want my money back.

Logitech's mouse software drivers may blow, but their hardware is solid. My two year old VX Nano is way, way better even without all the buttons assigned special functions.

My bet is that most people buying this mouse haven't spent much time with it before hand and made their purchase to get the latest thing. I certainly did, and I regret it.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This isn't just opinion, the Magic Mouse is all of those things.
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I've never used a Magic Mouse, but after dealing with Apple's Mighty (crappy) Mouse, I have no trust that they can make a quality mouse.

So you have no grounds to say shite about the mouse. I own one and it is the best mouse I have ever used in my entire life and is perfect for tasks like Photoshop.
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Yeah, the Magic Mouse is a marked improvement over the Mighty mouse and any other previous Apple mouse. But that's where the praise needs to stop.

It absolutely sucks compared to anything else. Tracking is poor on most surfaces, scrolling (or smearing on this mouse) is awful, the shape is not ergonomic, and the material for the runners isn't even low-friction. It's just plain awful, and I want my money back.

Logitech's mouse software drivers may blow, but their hardware is solid. My two year old VX Nano is way, way better even without all the buttons assigned special functions.

My bet is that most people buying this mouse haven't spent much time with it before hand and made their purchase to get the latest thing. I certainly did, and I regret it.


PS: Oh, then there is the environmentally unfriendly and useless plastic packaging it comes in. As much plastic as in the mouse, and no way to use it for some other purpose. There's no snap or hinge to hold the lid in place - my kids wouldn't even play with it. What an incredible waste!



This is no more useful. At least the MM packaging is more tasteful. Perhaps the Logitech way is more environmentally friendly? I don't know . . .
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This isn't just opinion, the Magic Mouse is all of those things.

Seems it's just opinion after all.

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I guess you must have a Magic Mouse and used it extensively to able to arrive at such a stern conclusion. I personally do not remember seeing any mouse that features a multi-touch surface other than Apple's new mouse, if you do can you share a link?

Hey, I can get a diamond encrusted iPod, but it won't play music any better.



You seem to think multitouch is such a great thing - a really revolutionary, useful feeature. Unfortunately, it's not for a mouse - at least the way it's implemented on this one.

I've had my MM for a month, and it is just plain awful - no matter how I futz with the settings. The only positive thing I can say about it is the battery life is pretty good compared to other BT mice.
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Probably not. But since he admitted he's never used one, I'm guessing he bought a system that didn't come with a Magic Mouse. Unless you mean it in general terms.

more in general terms.
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Hey, I can get a diamond encrusted iPod, but it won't play music any better.



You seem to think multitouch is such a great thing - a really revolutionary, useful feeature. Unfortunately, it's not for a mouse - at least the way it's implemented on this one.

I've had my MM for a month, and it is just plain awful - no matter how I futz with the settings. The only positive thing I can say about it is the battery life is pretty good compared to other BT mice.

Relieve yourself from the AWFUL PAIN oh disgruntled one. Here's a great alternative.


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