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A new, speedier 8GB iPhone 3GS is once again rumored to replace the existing $99 iPhone 3G, this time evidenced by an alleged label referencing a new model.

A German customer who purchased a refurbished 8GB iPhone 3G found a label on the back that said "iPhone 3GS v2.2, 8GB." The model number, A1241, and part number, MB490DN/A, are identical to the existing iPhone 3G, but other materials on the packaging reference an 8GB iPhone 3GS. The forum post from a Hamburg resident was discovered by Electronista.

Currently, the lowest-capacity iPhone 3GS is a 16GB model for $199 in the U.S. with a two-year AT&T contract. It sports a fast PowerVR SGX GPU core that supports Open GL ES 2.0, which the existing $99 iPhone 3G cannot do.

In August, reports of a 8GB iPhone 3G were detailed in internal information from carrier Rogers Wireless in Canada. However, that was later discredited as a formatting error on the company's computer systems.

A mid-cycle upgrade for the iPhone would not be a new approach. In early 2008, Apple introduced a 16GB iPhone for $499. Months later, the iPhone 3G was released.



Recent reports have said Apple has scheduled a special media event for Jan. 26, 2010. New products are expected to be announced at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, Calif.

During the company's earnings report in October, Chief Operations Officer Tim Cook noted that the $99 iPhone 3G did not impact sales of the high-end iPhone 3GS. In fact, he said, that demand for the iPhone 3GS exceeded the company's expectations. The average selling price of iPhones last quarter was just over $600, demonstrating gravitation towards the iPhone 3GS.



Components for the new iPhone 3GS were initially restrained in supply due to demand for the device. Executives with Apple have said that those issues were addressed this fall.
post #2 of 49
I am not one to usually call out fake, but this technically could happen, but these labels look fake.
post #3 of 49
Way to fend off competitiors, like Android phones. Reduce iPhone 3GS 8GB to $99.00! Sounds tempting to me. Might get me to switch from my Verizon plan
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I’d be more surprised if Apple didn’t drop the 3G from production to offer a $99 3GS to boost sales now that the holidays are over and we’re at the bottom end of the yearly iPhone renewal. We might even see a capacity increase to 64GB if the market warrants it.
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I’d be more surprised if Apple didn’t drop the 3G from production to offer a $99 3GS to boost sales now that the holidays are over and we’re at the bottom end of the yearly iPhone renewal. We might even see a capacity increase to 64GB if the market warrants it.

i would bet on this actually, assuming apple keeps up with their yearly updates to the iphone.
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The only update I want to see is the 10" iPhone.


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post #7 of 49
It would be more accurate to say, "Possible evidence surfaces of 8GB iPhone 3GS replacing $99 iPhone 3G".

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I’d be more surprised if Apple didn’t drop the 3G from production to offer a $99 3GS to boost sales now that the holidays are over and we’re at the bottom end of the yearly iPhone renewal. We might even see a capacity increase to 64GB if the market warrants it.

I would agree but that seems like to much crammed into one event. Though in June

What Apple may do is the following:

Introduce a 64GB iPhone with a new Arm Cortex, possible keep the same Power VR SGX GPU thats currently running at 600Mhz and let it run at it's potential 833mhz

Upgrade the Ram to 512mb eDram

A higher aspect ration display instead of the 2:3 ratio currently used. Also bringing 200ppi Instead of the current 163ppi.

This price would be no more then $399

and allow the 16GB to fall to $99 and the 32Gb Version to fall to $199.
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Originally Posted by MobileMe View Post

I would agree but that seems like to much crammed into one event. Though in June

What Apple may do is the following:

Introduce a 64GB iPhone with a new Arm Cortex, possible keep the same Power VR SGX GPU thats currently running at 600Mhz and let it run at it's potential 833mhz

Upgrade the Ram to 512mb eDram

A higher aspect ration display instead of the 2:3 ratio currently used. Also bringing 200ppi Instead of the current 163ppi.

This price would be no more then $399

and allow the 16GB to fall to $99 and the 32Gb Version to fall to $199.

1) I wouldnt expect any HW changes to the iPhone expect for a replacement of the 3G for the 3GS at the $99 pricepoint and to a lesser extent a capacity increase. It seems pretty structured to offer a major HW upgrade with OS upgrade once a year in the summer.

2) If you want to discuss what will be in the next iPhone there will be plenty of threads in 2010 for that speculation.

3) Once thing to look for is HW updates before the Jan 26th event. If Apple updates the MBPs and Mac Pro before that event with simply a website and email notice then I think we can expect two major announcements at the event on the 26th. Id go with a new AppleTV and the tablet.

4) Its possible that Apple wont even have new MBPs ready in January using Core-i3 and i5 so even if they arent updated before hand that doesnt mean they will announced at the January event. With the speed of the blogging and the level of which Apple is in the public eye they really dont need an event anymore to showcase updated products unless they break certain technological molds.
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post #10 of 49
Sounds like last year could repeat itself.

MobileMe beat me to it.

16GB iPhone 3GS for $99(plus 2 year contract)? Sounds like a deal!
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post #11 of 49
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1) I wouldnt expect any HW changes to the iPhone expect for a replacement of the 3G for the 3GS at the $99 pricepoint and to a lesser extent a capacity increase. It seems pretty structured to offer a major HW upgrade with OS upgrade once a year in the summer.

2) If you want to discuss what will be in the next iPhone there will be plenty of threads in 2010 for that speculation.

3) Once thing to look for is HW updates before the Jan 26th event. If Apple updates the MBPs and Mac Pro before that event with simply a website and email notice then I think we can expect two major announcements at the event on the 26th. Id go with a new AppleTV and the tablet.

4) Its possible that Apple wont even have new MBPs ready in January using Core-i3 and i5 so even if they arent updated before hand that doesnt mean they will announced at the January event. With the speed of the blogging and the level of which Apple is in the public eye they really dont need an event anymore to showcase updated products unless they break certain technological molds.

i just hope there are lots of announcements, so Steve can say "oh, and one more thing"
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1) I wouldnt expect any HW changes to the iPhone expect for a replacement of the 3G for the 3GS at the $99 pricepoint and to a lesser extent a capacity increase. It seems pretty structured to offer a major HW upgrade with OS upgrade once a year in the summer.

I wasn't expecting a major HW change either, I've noticed from history Apple does such HW changes during the release of a new iPhone OS (which in march it's usually announced) then WWDC will be an unveiling of what's truly to come.

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2) If you want to discuss what will be in the next iPhone there will be plenty of threads in 2010 for that speculation.

Fair enough

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3) Once thing to look for is HW updates before the Jan 26th event. If Apple updates the MBPs and Mac Pro before that event with simply a website and email notice then I think we can expect two major announcements at the event on the 26th. Id go with a new AppleTV and the tablet.

I could see those two and even a subtle enhancement to the iPod Touch line-up having a camera. Apple TV usually has major announcements in Jan (History has proven such)

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4) Its possible that Apple wont even have new MBPs ready in January using Core-i3 and i5 so even if they arent updated before hand that doesnt mean they will announced at the January event. With the speed of the blogging and the level of which Apple is in the public eye they really dont need an event anymore to showcase updated products unless they break certain technological molds.

Eh MBP's maybe the High end 15" or the 17" Model and maybe a new Mac Pro, even though those are generally updated the 1st week in Jan or 1st week in March. I think an enhancement to the 30" display is needed, if they don't want to change the design, at least add an iSight camera, along with speakers. The pixel density is still better then the 27" iMac.
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Originally Posted by funkyp56 View Post

I am not one to usually call out fake, but this technically could happen, but these labels look fake.

Agree, there is too much space between the , prior to the 8 GB marker. And, it is always so odd how this just keeps happening. Photoshop is so cool.

Not that I don't think they will do this, but this might be jumping the gun a bit.
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Sounds like last year could repeat itself.

MobileMe beat me to it.

16GB iPhone 3GS for $99(plus 2 year contract)? Sounds like a deal!


agreed watchfulone ... I think Apple will just keep a high end speedier version of its iPhones/iPods. Much like they're doing now.

1 High end model with a higher price

Keep last years model running older technology thus lowering the price for consumers
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I think an enhancement to the 30" display is needed, if they don't want to change the design, at least add an iSight camera, along with speakers. The pixel density is still better then the 27" iMac.

Oh yeah! The ACDs are so out of date. They can apparently do a 27 LCD with an LED backlight, though the issues with that iMac do wonder if there will be a delay with 30 and bigger LED backlight displays.
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Oh yeah! The ACDs are so out of date. They can apparently do a 27” LCD with an LED backlight, though the issues with that iMac do wonder if there will be a delay with 30” and bigger LED backlight displays.

Yea maybe Apple wants to do a Mac Pro 24" Model ACD, 30", and 37"!!!. The delay could be the packaging issues but who knows.

Also check out this site, if Apple implements a camera in the touch this would be a cool attachment. They're currently using it for the iPhone 3gs

http://www.wantowle.com/Welcome.html

Check out the 2nd Vid to see the attachment.
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post #17 of 49
So does this phone actually have the 3GS features such as a compass, numerical battery status display, and video recording? I did not see this addressed in the article.
post #18 of 49
AT&T was offering 16GB and 32GB 3GS iPhones refurbed for $49 and $149 on Deal-Mac.

The 3G should be dropped and the base iPhone should be $99 for 16GB. In 6 months, the next model will be out anyway.
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I not going to guess as to truth here but lets face it Apple needs to have more than one smart phone in the line up. Basically they have one design with the models distinguished by the amount of flash in them. They have been very successful with that but there is plenty of market opportunity to do even more sales wise with the right products.

Those products would include smaller folding devices and a slightly larger model. Apple needs at least one new model with a higher performance screen, which hopefully will be slightly bigger. By bigger i'm not talking much more than a device being a 1/4" wider. The primary reason for this is to have better usability in horizontal mode when keyboards are on screen.

To that end the 2GS could easily become an entry level machine as new technology enters the market place. As nice as the iPhone is it is still missing key features that will have to be in place to compete with the new hardware running Android. An 8GB iPhone 3GS could easily take up position as the less than $99 entry level machine.

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Oh yeah! The ACDs are so out of date. They can apparently do a 27 LCD with an LED backlight, though the issues with that iMac do wonder if there will be a delay with 30 and bigger LED backlight displays.

The 30" Cinema Display still makes other brands of monitors look antiquated, but I agree that next to newer Apple stuff, they themselves look vintage (old but still cool!)

The deal breaker for me (besides the price) would be the lack of Mag Safe and Mini DisplayPort connectors. I would love to see a 27" LED Display introduced some day even though I doubt I'll ever be able to purchase one.
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i just hope there are lots of announcements, so Steve can say "oh, and one more thing"

"To alleviate the demand our iPhone has put on the AT&T system, we are expanding the iPhone availability to T-Mobile. Starting today!"

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"To alleviate the demand our iPhone has put on the AT&T system, we are expanding the iPhone availability to T-Mobile. Starting today!"

Actually CNBC reported that, AT&T for some reason lied about that whole NYC iPhone distribution story, but stuck with it because they were surprised at how many people believed them.

The company has internal issue, if this story is true. I'm not to hot on T-Mobile either, since their current network isn't even better then sprints here in the USA. Will see how Apple and the Networks play this though.

I can't wait for the day we can efficiently be on VoIP services here in the USA.
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The 30" Cinema Display still makes other brands of monitors look antiquated, but I agree that next to newer Apple stuff, they themselves look vintage (old but still cool!)

The deal breaker for me (besides the price) would be the lack of Mag Safe and Mini DisplayPort connectors. I would love to see a 27" LED Display introduced some day even though I doubt I'll ever be able to purchase one.

You CAN buy a 27" display from Apple. The price is $1699. I have 2 on my desk right now!
post #24 of 49
Covered up the numbers?
One can still read the bar codes...
post #25 of 49
Whether or not this is true, of course there will be a transition of iPhone hardware this year, same as every year.

Basic transition I imagine: current iPhone 3GS takes the bottom end, new iPhone with *cross fingers* awesome PA Semi goodness takes the high end.

Now one has to ask themselves two things:

1) How long does Apple want to keep manufacturing old iPhone 3G parts?
2) How annoyed will people be when then buy a lowly 3G and Apple announces the 3GS moves to the 3G price point.

I'd say it would be better to sell out their 3G hardware, introduce an 8GB 3GS for the bottom end and ride out the first half of 2010 with only 3GS models until they unless the fury of iPhone 2010.

As a developer I'm also hoping they've been working on the SDK a bit too. Still a lot of room for improvements and standard features.
post #26 of 49
If they're going to make the low end iPhone a 3Gs then they should also make the low end iPod Touch 16Gb with the faster innards. It seems like a mighty leap from 8Gb to 32Gb on the Touch side.
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If they sell revive the 3G 4GB and sell it for $59 that will KILL the entire industry.
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The only update I want to see is the 10" iPhone.


Think AT&T is overloaded now!

If you're hoping for a Verizon iPhone, don't keep your hopes up.
post #29 of 49
I believe Apple will sell iPhone 3G S at $99 right after iPhone 2010 is unveiled.
Other than that, i don't think it'll be sooner than the 2010 summer.
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2) How annoyed will people be when then buy a lowly 3G and Apple announces the 3GS moves to the 3G price point.

It's basically an equal-equal situation.

If it were to be this way,..
iPhone 3G would be two years old and out of life if iPhone 2010 is announced in the summer. By the time iPhone 2010 is announced, iPhone 3G S would be a year old, and most people will forget the fact that iPhone 3G S is the "latest" Mobile device Apple has to offer.
At that point 3G is moved out of the way, while 3G S is moved into $99.
It would of been better for the ones that bought an iPhone 3G this year(2009) to buy an iPhone 3G S instead.
If they bought something $99 in 2009 and would want to buy another $99 soon to be iPhone 3G S, that would equal up to $200 and you could of been stuck with todays latest mobile device by Apple and not worry about how old your current iPhone 3G and the features are in 2010. Let alone, go through another year of iPhone 3G and wait for iPhone 2011 to be unveiled.
post #31 of 49
A bigger screen is in order. Every time I look at the touch, I feel like the screen needs to be pushed further towards the top and bottom edge of the device, with a corresponding increase side to side to make it 16:9. I think it will happen in early 2010, along with the tablet.

PS: Here is a good time to put a camera on the Touch, hint hint apple.
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If they sell revive the 3G 4GB and sell it for $59 that will KILL the entire industry.

Agreed, or sell it $99 fully unlocked straight from Apple Store. I would imagine that would kill Nexus one before it even launches.
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Actually CNBC reported that, AT&T for some reason lied about that whole NYC iPhone distribution story, but stuck with it because they were surprised at how many people believed them.

The company has internal issue, if this story is true. I'm not to hot on T-Mobile either, since their current network isn't even better then sprints here in the USA. Will see how Apple and the Networks play this though.

I can't wait for the day we can efficiently be on VoIP services here in the USA.

No, if AT&T lied about it, than why would they still be selling it in it's retail stores in NYC, let alone in the Apple Store.

CNBC just like people to believe that they're the answer to everything.
Like they expect an iPhone on Verizon Wireless this upcoming summer.
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You CAN buy a 27" display from Apple. The price is $1699. I have 2 on my desk right now!

How do you only have 28 posts in three years? The price on Apple Dispays has always been outrageous. Thank god they don't cost as much per inch in the iphone
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A bigger screen is in order. Every time I look at the touch, I feel like the screen needs to be pushed further towards the top and bottom edge of the device, with a corresponding increase side to side to make it 16:9. I think it will happen in early 2010, along with the tablet.

If they change the display ratio well know about it because theyll have to get the developers on board in March when they release iPhone SDK v4.0.

If they want to change the pixel density well know about because theyll have to get developers on board, too. Any app should scale fine if they followed the guidelines but I think images will have to be updated, at the very least, and we should get word about that. This recent request for full screen apps is likely not connected to the next iPhone.

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PS: Here is a good time to put a camera on the Touch, hint hint apple.

That will piss people off, especially with the sales looking very good for the Touch this holiday season. But itll piss people off if they dont add a camera.
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I am not one to usually call out fake, but this technically could happen, but these labels look fake.

It really does. It looks like the "S" in 3G S was typed in purposely, just so it can start rumors.
Other than that, it can still be a possible truth of what may come into the future.
post #37 of 49
So this is the same model as the Black 3G 8mb sold in Germany. Did anyone bother checking what the german word for black is: schwarz

http://www.t-mobile.de/iphone/tarife...2271-_,00.html

This is the 3G schwartz as opposed to the 3G weib (white..)

Doesn't mean apple will not release an 8mb version, but they would never reuse a model number so this rumor is BUNK.
post #38 of 49
A 8GB iPhone 3GS will never happen, it's too late already for that.
The $99 price point is reserved to clear last year old stock, so the 16GB model will be drop to $99 and a new 32GB & 64GB model will be introduce. The last thing they will wanna do is introduce a new 8GB model when they know they're gonna have a huge stock pile of 16GB/32GB left overs when they introduce the newer models.
post #39 of 49
How did the $728 educational discount for new MacBook not make the news yesterday??

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...?taxonomyId=66

All these rumors, and OT posts are getting in the way of real news!
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I’d be more surprised if Apple didn’t drop the 3G from production to offer a $99 3GS to boost sales now that the holidays are over and we’re at the bottom end of the yearly iPhone renewal. We might even see a capacity increase to 64GB if the market warrants it.

I don't think we'd see 64 until June/July. they might have been using the 8GB 3g as a way to burn off the old processors and perhaps now that is drawing to an end and they will start using the new ones with little fanfare. Especially if they aren't changing the processors in June and the big device will be the rumored tablet.

January will probably be a preview of the tablet as the key event with some itunes recaps, perhaps this alleged subscription gig, what's up with lala.com, maybe some iwork/ilife etc. and even perhaps a hint as to the state of the ATT deal come summer. This 8GB 3GS if it is real will likely be a footnote or casual mention, not a huge "wouldn't it be cool' moment

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How did the $728 educational discount for new MacBook not make the news yesterday??

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...?taxonomyId=66

Well it did make the news in some places. But the rest discovered that it is pricing for one single school so it was actually more a non-item.

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