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AppleTV is a hobby because there's no lock-in for users. If AppleTV gets subscriptions in 2010 then Apple will no longer call it a hobby. It will be a deal changer that will challenge cable companies.

It would be nice if a new hardware release was good enough to be a game console as well. Some of those iPhone games might be ok on the big screen.

I don't think the next ATV is going to come out until the tablet comes out. Because the Tablet is going to deliver apps with larger interfaces it's a natural for Apple to coelesce the two together. The Tablet becomes much more powerful if the apps I run on it also work on the new ATV.
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post #122 of 212
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It would be nice if a new hardware release was good enough to be a game console as well. Some of those iPhone games might be ok on the big screen.

I like Apple; however, If Apple were put AppleTV up against current game consoles I expect Apple would lose.
post #123 of 212
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I don't think the next ATV is going to come out until the tablet comes out. Because the Tablet is going to deliver apps with larger interfaces it's a natural for Apple to coelesce the two together. The Tablet becomes much more powerful if the apps I run on it also work on the new ATV.

Interesting idea, but what apps would people really want on their Apple TVs? Most apps seem optimized for the portable factor of the iPhone, Touch, or soon to be tablet. Games maybe? Anything else I probably can just use my regular iMac computer just as well.

I think most people would want apps like Netflix, Hulu, or other video services. Unfortunately Apple will never allow it since it would compete with their closed iTunes system.



If Apple wants to boost the Apple TV, and get people like me to buy it, they need to open it up. I would like to see:

Better hardware
DVD ripping into iTunes
More codec support
More customization of menus - Add, subtract, modify menus and folders
Maybe even customizable skins like in Plex

Right now the system is too closed. I have no interest in buying stuff from iTunes. It's over priced, full of DRM, is missing subtitles, and no extras. Besides I already own most of the movies and TV shows I like on DVD so there is no way I am going to buy them again.
post #124 of 212
Hang on there apple. As soon as I'm out of college and working a real job (about 2 years left now) I will be eating Apple TV and Time Capsule right up. Until then it is way too expensive for me

Oh and yea by that time I expect cheaper prices or more open eco system. Maybe update 4.0 will bring that. Otherwise I will have to hack the ATV to be a mac mini and watch hulu on that.
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post #125 of 212
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Interesting idea, but what apps would people really want on their Apple TVs? Most apps seem optimized for the portable factor of the iPhone, Touch, or soon to be tablet. Games maybe? Anything else I probably can just use my regular iMac computer just as well.

I think most people would want apps like Netflix, Hulu, or other video services. Unfortunately Apple will never allow it since it would compete with their closed iTunes system.



If Apple wants to boost the Apple TV, and get people like me to buy it, they need to open it up. I would like to see:

Better hardware
DVD ripping into iTunes
More codec support
More customization of menus - Add, subtract, modify menus and folders
Maybe even customizable skins like in Plex

Right now the system is too closed. I have no interest in buying stuff from iTunes. It's over priced, full of DRM, is missing subtitles, and no extras. Besides I already own most of the movies and TV shows I like on DVD so there is no way I am going to buy them again.

It's the same thing that's propelling widgets on TV and more. I think the worst thing about the Apple TV is its name. It does more (and it should) than just become an apparatus that enables the viewing of video. I would hope that the successor to the current Apple TV undergo a name change to something closer to what it really offers.

Apple's forced people to view the product through the lens of what they expect a TV device to be and thus they have opened themselves up to criticism about lack of DVR or DVD rip playback capabilities. Uncharacteristically, Apple has mismarketed this product and further panned it by Jobs' "Hobby" content.

Sell the successor for what it really is. A media device that can fetch Social content, calendar data, weather and much more. Open it up for the many fantastic developers out there and link it with the Tablet and they will once again find success. Apple profits by making the ecosystem work better than other companies offerings. They need to stick with this model.
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post #126 of 212
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It's the same thing that's propelling widgets on TV and more. I think the worst thing about the Apple TV is its name. It does more (and it should) than just become an apparatus that enables the viewing of video. I would hope that the successor to the current Apple TV undergo a name change to something closer to what it really offers.

Apple's forced people to view the product through the lens of what they expect a TV device to be and thus they have opened themselves up to criticism about lack of DVR or DVD rip playback capabilities. Uncharacteristically, Apple has mismarketed this product and further panned it by Jobs' "Hobby" content.

Sell the successor for what it really is. A media device that can fetch Social content, calendar data, weather and much more. Open it up for the many fantastic developers out there and link it with the Tablet and they will once again find success. Apple profits by making the ecosystem work better than other companies offerings. They need to stick with this model.

I see what you are saying, but isn't the whole purpose and point of the Apple TV to stream media(video, music, & photos) to the TV from a person's Apple computer?

As far as I can tell it's failing at streaming video. Apple TV won't stream most people's choices of videos without hacks or other work arounds. Apple needs to focus on this aspect of the Apple TV to succeed. Until the Apple TV can be a true media centre most people will not really be interested.

As far as the apps are concerned we have Apple computers, iPhones, Touches, and soon to be tablets. How many more devices do we need to check Facebook, e-mail, or weather? Also unless Apple releases some kind of new super-remote we won't really have any way to control said apps.
post #127 of 212
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I'm not happy with home sharing at all. It still does not centralize content which means I have islands of media all over my home. iTunes 9 Home Sharing is certainly not the kind of innovative tool that we expect from Apple.

I really want to buy an Apple TV but it's hardware is old and slow. I'm looking forward to a ARM based unit that stays much cooler and a lot more functionality in software. I don't really a DVR and I damn sure won't be looking for Blu-ray but I need something that handles iTunes content very well and my own content well.

but of course YOU have to centralize your media on a single drive someplace first. that is true whether you buy a "media server" drive or just set up a new master iTunes library someplace - best choice usually being an external drive.

it's easy. can take overnight for huge libraries. to keep all the metadata, you want to "consolidate libraries." read the instructions in iTunes Help.
post #128 of 212
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

That's why streaming is so important. The ideal solution would be a large NAS to centralize media but we're still not there yet.

maybe you are not, but i have all my media happily on a large external drive and it all works just fine on my home LAN for playback on any Mac (and AppleTV if i had one). so i don't know what you are unable to do. i do go through the extra step of converting files into an iTunes recognized format first. TiVo+Toast works great. MpegStreamclip and others work great. so what is your actual constraint?
post #129 of 212
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

I like Apple; however, If Apple were put AppleTV up against current game consoles I expect Apple would lose.

It would be a Wii competitor...not the 360 or PS3.

Nintendo would have better games wile the aTV better for media. For casual games it would be good enough and with iPhone and iPod Touch controllers a lot of the accelerometer gameplay based games would work.
post #130 of 212
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Not surprised. The Airport is well built and stylish, but prohibitively expensive. Knock $50 off of it and the 1TB time capsule as well as $100 off the 2TB capsule and they would sell very well.

As for AppleTV. Unless the movie studios permit Apple to give it the ability to import your DVDs, its not going to catch on, especially at $230. In a lineup of integrated multi-use devices, its a one trick pony that requires a separate DVD or Blu-ray player for your current movies, a PVR for recording your shows or games, and video game console if you want to do that. Combine one, two, or all of these features, or integrate it into TVs and it would sell much better.

It better have a Blu-ray player that allows import... DVD is so last decade.... and a 2T hard drive with USB3 external drive support to bolt more storage on... then I might buy it.... and yeah PVR for HD TV content
post #131 of 212
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Originally Posted by Dorotea View Post

This sounds like a very pricey device... Not gonna happen.

most of this should be done in a device at about the same price. just has to be slightly larger, for hard drive.

the blu-ray could be added on a higher end model. so if people don't want BD, they don't have to get it.
post #132 of 212
Could it be because of Time Capsule?

Apple should add an Airport Extreme base station to the Apple TV and drop the price to $179, then kill Airport.

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post #133 of 212
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

True but that also means that you are not the target market for Apple TV. SDTV marketshare can only decline so it makes little sense to add support for a format that's fading away rapidly..

Yes, but per my original post, Apple has limited their market by limiting the device to HDTVs. The problem is how long will it take for that market to fully develop. I would estimate that it might take 5 to 10 years to get rid of most SDTVs. That's a long time to wait for your market.
post #134 of 212
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Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post

Appel TV is useful in countries where you can rent or buy movies and tv shows but in countries like Spain where you can't it's almost useless.

Thanks for realizing that not everyone who owns Apple products live in the US.
post #135 of 212
No surprise really. Im a bit of a Mac Fanboy but aTV has completely failed for me and it something that I could so easily waste money on.

First version was great, but the lack of a DVD drive really put me off. I see no point in converting my DVD's and storing them on my computer when there already stored on a DVD. Especially when I find it nicer to look through a DVD rack rather than a boring list on a screen. To me a media center needs to allow me to do everything. The lack of real TV was also a concern.

Second/Third (not sure) version had a horrible interface change. This really put me off, as it's classic Apple "we decide what's best and you go along with it". I liked the old interface and it's part of why people would buy it. The current one has ad's for the latest rentals, yet this is meant to be a premium rate product!

As it stands Apple TV is way behind in my opinion. Games consoles are including subscription TV, even the Nintendo Wii has a BBC iPlayer channel on it now. Where's this for the UK audiance, BBC are putting it on any device that will accept it so it must be Apple not wanting it. To make it sell in the UK at least, I think it should have BBC iPlayer, Blueray drive, and either support for Freeview or Free Sat. That at least would bring it up to the level of other players in the market.

At the moment the only reason I can see to get one is for film rentals, but at it's current price it would just be a waste of money. I would be better off taking out a DVD rental subscription and hardly ever using it.
post #136 of 212
I would buy one tomorrow if I could guarantee Apple wouldn't bring out a newer an better model shortly after. I'm reading stuff all the time about a new Apple TV on the way, so I'm always hanging on, I know you can't wait forever, but it really feels like a new model is well over due, and I don't want to be stuck with a model that can work with the latest features, I.e something like a wii remote.

If they updated the time on a regular bases like their other products, I would have brought one by now.
post #137 of 212
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

No surprise that aTV isn't selling, there's no compelling reason to get it and there are competing boxes that offer much more.

I'd probably buy an aTV if it could stream Hulu, abc.com, netflix, and any other web video. I don't even really think dvd ripping (never gonna happen) or even other codec support is that important, on a new i7 machine handbrake can convert an hour show in about six minutes.

At this point, I'd consider something like a PS3 way before an aTV, it can do bluray (which doesn't interest me at all, but I'll probably get into it at some point just because I don't want to buy any more movies in DVD format), stream netflix, and play other video formats. Not to mention I hear it's not a bad game console, all for not much more than the aTV.

aTV isn't a bad hardware box, it just needs to be able to play back a ton more things. Or a price drop to like $99. Or both.

None of the airports have ever appealed to me, don't really get it.

No compelling reason to get it? How about having whole movie collection stored on your computer, like I have, but I really want to watch my collection in the lounge rather than my desk. There's a compelling reason for you!!!
post #138 of 212
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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

Apple TV is a bit long on needing a vibrant upgrade. in my belief it needs

1- Larger hard drive 500gb+ option, also ability to add extra storage externally via USB, Firewire or ESata.
2- upgrade 1080p programming to hdtv
3- Open up the Apple TV - allow third party programs and developers, allow Netflix, Amazon, Blockbuster, Vudu and others to stream/download content to the device.

4- Apple TV app store- have it be able to be used for alot more. let developers create games, apps and so much more for

5- Videoconferencing - add ability for people to add a cam, hell apple could make a cam. so people can do video calls not just on their computer. but allow it to be used not only with ichat/aol chats, ie Skype app to use it. and who knows. other corporate ways. let Cisco create a app to use on it.
6- Blu-Ray - it is long overdue for apple to support Blu-Ray properly. to be a proper computer company it can't block technology which "competes" with itunes. Mac OS X must be open, as should all of Apple's products. sad to see things end up being more closed and well restricted to what Apple approves only.

7- Bluetooth - have the ability to add alot of extra add on's via this great tech. from headsets, to keyboards and gaming controllers
8- USB port fully functional - if you can add a camera, and external mic and more... why stop there... allow companies to add all sorts of extra devices and be able to build out a properly functional media center / computer apple tv.
9- full internet capability - yes, all my thoughts about making Apple tv capable require full internet capabilities and the ability for it to do oh so much more.

I would be alot happier if i could use my apple tv as a place for all the blu-Ray digital copies i have or maybe even a place to store movies i buy from apple itunes movie store. but do NOT want to keep on my laptop because it would take up too much room in my laptop. or even desktop.

Anyway, it would be awesome to really make more of this device as a proper home media center and computing entertainment center.

All of this is so sensible, and yet so obvious, so it boggles the mind why Apple have barely touched the Apple TV in years.

Where I live in the UK all the major networks now have on demand streaming services, and some (particularly the 'iPlayer' service from the BBC) are on many devices now, such as the PS3, Wii, iPhone (web app), cable PVRs etc. But the Apple TV, which would be a perfect platform to support it, only has an internet radio option. It's pathetic.

Apple need only look at the revews on iTunes for TV shows here to see the same type of comments over and over - "why buy this from iTunes when it's free on iPlayer etc".

It's time Apple, time to venture into the living room for real.
post #139 of 212
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Originally Posted by macadam212 View Post

No compelling reason to get it? How about having whole movie collection stored on your computer, like I have, but I really want to watch my collection in the lounge rather than my desk. There's a compelling reason for you!!!

If that's all you want to do, a PS3, Xbox 360, or any one of the numerous streaming devices from Popcorn, Western Digital etc would do the same, and in 1080p.
post #140 of 212
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Originally Posted by lo_fye View Post

I have a PS3 and although it can see videos stored on my NAS, it has issues with lots of codecs.
About 30% of the time, I have no choice but to watch whatever it is on my computer instead of the big screen :-|
Plus, the PS3 has a huuuge clunky remote, whereas the Apple Remote is so great.

There are many free tools to easily convert video to PS3 friendly formats. Try MKV2VOB and XVID4PSP (don't let the name put you off) for starters.
post #141 of 212
I got tired of the updating games to keep Hulu accessible and even then the playback wasn't great. So, for just a bit more, I got a Mac Mini and a DVI-HDMI converter cable and haven't looked back. To get the TV to near the capability of the Mini would mean bumping up the price.

Along with the wireless keyboard and mouse and the fact that the remote works with it as well and front row does wonderful with my Itunes content and it plays DVDs and Sirius and so much more.

To me there isn't enough differentiation between the TV and Mini in terms of price to justify the limited feature set of the TV
post #142 of 212
I think the best improvement for the Airport Extreme would be to add a femtocell that works with all the major carriers. It is a natural fit that would improve cell reception indoors, and decrease the load on the voice network. Apple could configure the device in the Airport Utility application. There should be no monthly fee from the cell carrier.
post #143 of 212
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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

most of this should be done in a device at about the same price. just has to be slightly larger, for hard drive.

the blu-ray could be added on a higher end model. so if people don't want BD, they don't have to get it.

Absolutely unrealistic.
post #144 of 212
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No compelling reason to get it? How about having whole movie collection stored on your computer, like I have, but I really want to watch my collection in the lounge rather than my desk. There's a compelling reason for you!!!

But why would you want your whole movie collection on your computer? I admittedly started it once but now really don't see the point. I hardly ever watch a film more than once and putting a DVD in a DVD player takes less time than ripping it. Plus as the apple tv isn't big enough to store all my films I would have to turn my mac on every time I want to watch a film. Seems great that it can do it but I just don't get why I would pay £250 to do somthing that seemingly has absolutely no advantage.
post #145 of 212
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But why would you want your whole movie collection on your computer? I admittedly started it once but now really don't see the point. I hardly ever watch a film more than once and putting a DVD in a DVD player takes less time than ripping it. Plus as the apple tv isn't big enough to store all my films I would have to turn my mac on every time I want to watch a film. Seems great that it can do it but I just don't get why I would pay £250 to do somthing that seemingly has absolutely no advantage.

Actually the advantage is storage space of DVDs. A large hard drive takes up much less space than drawers and shelves full of DVDs.
post #146 of 212
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But why would you want your whole movie collection on your computer? I admittedly started it once but now really don't see the point. I hardly ever watch a film more than once and putting a DVD in a DVD player takes less time than ripping it. Plus as the apple tv isn't big enough to store all my films I would have to turn my mac on every time I want to watch a film. Seems great that it can do it but I just don't get why I would pay £250 to do somthing that seemingly has absolutely no advantage.

Dorotea has a point. It takes up less room and it's faster, while also being easily backed up for protection. Think about how many DVDs fit onto a 2TB drive. Is it about 2k or 20k?

Of course you don't have to keep buying DVDs and I suspect the future will forego optical altogether as the primary method for many users pushing it to Blu-Ray for the really cool stuff. And you don't have to use an AppleTV. There are plenty of media extenders for the home with online rentals and purchases. I expect to see many more at CES this year.
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post #147 of 212
Can someone tell me why having my content (whether iTunes purchased or DVD ripped) sitting on both my AppleTV and my computer in the same residence is ideal?

Furthermore, exactly how many more AppleTV revisions is going to take for me to view my iMovie library content streamed from my Mac to an AppleTV?
post #148 of 212
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

Can someone tell me why having my content (whether iTunes purchased or DVD ripped) sitting on both my AppleTV and my computer in the same residence is ideal?

Ideal certainly doesn't fit everyone's needs but it does provide a a bit of redundancy. Plus, yoy don't have to use the internal drive, you can stream from
your home's PCs instead. The AppleTV really needs to be remade from the ground up and I think it is coming shortly.

I'd also like to see a Windows Home Server competitor. Time Capaule is okay for centralized Time Machine backups but I think a home server with RAIDed drive would be a big hit for our ever increasing digital libraries and increased networking needs.

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Furthermore, exactly how many more AppleTV revisions is going to take for me to view my iMovie library content streamed from my Mac to an AppleTV?

Why not just put the completed videos into iTunes so you watch them on the AppleTV. I didn't even know iMovie had a library section.

Edit: It occured to me that you nay have meant the Movies folder in your user account, not iMovie. That would be nice to add, as well as shared folder access for media and a way to add various codecs.
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post #149 of 212
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Originally Posted by wtbard View Post

Another strike against Apple TV is that it primarily only works with HDTVs. That really limits your market. It may take 5 to 10 years for that market share to become more accepted.

You need to get out more.
post #150 of 212
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

It would be a Wii competitor...not the 360 or PS3.

Nintendo would have better games wile the aTV better for media. For casual games it would be good enough and with iPhone and iPod Touch controllers a lot of the accelerometer gameplay based games would work.

Game-console sales are driven by content, especially exclusive content. Nintendo has Wii Fit, Wii Sports and Mario. These are big name franchises and are only available on a Nintendo system. Casual games are simply not system sellers. If you have a AppleTV you might then buy casual games for it, but very few new customers will buy a AppleTV for casual gaming.

In addition, unless Apple sells a lot more AppleTVs (or at least get the public excited about it), developers won't bother with the platform and will focus their resources elsewhere.
post #151 of 212
So many stupid people.

1) "AppleTV should have a DVD player" Why? Don't you already own a DVD player?
2) "AppleTV should let me import my DVDs" You would have to be living in a cave if you have never heard of HandBrake.
3) "AppleTV should be a cable/sat box with DVR." Apple only wants you to buy from iTunes. They won't spend the licensing fees to build a box compatible with DirecTV, DishNetwork, and CableCards.

Amazing what dreams people have for a low selling product. I highly doubt that Apple spent millions on this hobby. It doesn't take much to write some software and build a cheap logic board based on an outdated Pentium processor.
post #152 of 212
Ha, ha, ha , ha!

Blu-ray machines have sold this holiday season through the roof- only $150 now and disks only $15! And they are WiFi now and you can rent on them as well. No need for iTunes .

AppleTV isn't even really true HD- it's ship has sailed on. iTunes movie's sound sucks and the actual film content available is mediocre at best.

Not to worry - even Ford in its heyday produced the Edsel.
post #153 of 212
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That's cool info if you have an iMac or big machine, but for me, it means having to constantly set up and dismantle the whole external drive from my notebook every time I leave for work. When I take my notebook from the house, my wife wouldn't be able to use this setup to watch media on the TV until I come home and set it all up again. The whole reason I bought the WDTV in the first place was that it freed up my notebook and offered a permanent solution for both of us.

Um what post were you reading???
Did he ever mention to connect it to your "notebook"??
What he was suggesting was to put a central always on PC/Mac in your house with the drive holding your itunes directory. If you want to take your laptop to work, guess what..... you can
If your wife wants to watch/listen to something guess what..... she can too!!!

If you wanted to take music with you all you need to do is set up a playlist to coy to your mac/phone/touch etc and the songs can be copied there without affecting anyone else on the network.

Seriously if people were to take the time to actually look at what their home network does and realise that most of the stuff they bitch about can resolved with a little tweaking this place would be silent.

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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

I would like to see the AppleTV take off, be another Netflix, unfortunately in order to get decent downloads you need cable...and Comcast just bought NBC...ouch.

AT&T is going to hang up land lines, so there goes DSL.

Yeah the only thing that i really want an ATV to do is play non proprietary formats. even if by official paid codec pack add ons.

But then thats what i want itunes to do so im thinking that it may be more an itunes limitation than an ATV one.

A smaller footprint, maybe flash/ssd instead of physical HD, that way we can forgo this whole DVD/BRD argument all together. The device will be physically too small to fit one. Lastly 1080p playback.

On saying that heres hoping the 2010 iPhone update supports HD podcast playback finally. sick of having to download them twice.
post #154 of 212
Apple needs to drop this 2.5" drive nonsense and get a nice 2TB 3.5" drive in there ASAP. Put that with DVR capabilities, a wider range of codec support, a built in dock for iPods and a reasonable price point, and even if it were ugly, it'd sell like hotcakes. And as for you naysayers who go on about this eliminating the need to go to iTunes, quiet. Content bought from iTunes would still be more versatile, often of higher quality, logo free and always the most convenient. Like dropping the Fairplay in music nonsense, this would prove a boon!

Go Apple, go.
post #155 of 212
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Originally Posted by Dorotea View Post

Absolutely unrealistic.

maybe not. there is a very good case to add an optional BD drive to AppleTV. because it would allow Apple to continue to avoid adding BD to desktop and laptop Macs. any computer with BD must be HDCP compliant. which means the entire OS must be programmed to enforce its DRM, even blocking playback of unauthorized media (if a "flag" is triggered by content owners, which to date has not happened). we know Jobs/Apple do not want any third parties to have any control over any part of OS X, ever.

but the AppleTV is already HDCP compliant, so adding BD to it raises no new DRM issue. so it would make sense to sandbox it there, in a peripheral device.

i do not think Apple will do this tho, because Jobs clearly wants to shift the market away from physical media like DVD's and BD to on-line sales instead.

so i bet the next 2010 AppleTV will support full 1080p HDTV streaming.

when will Apple's giant server farm in North Carolina be ready?
post #156 of 212
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

Steve Jobs calls it a hobby so everyone else calls it a hobby. Funny how everyone focuses on what Steve Jobs say, isn't it?

Couldn't call it a complete failure to understand what the customers are looking for.

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Originally Posted by Dorotea View Post

Actually the advantage is storage space of DVDs. A large hard drive takes up much less space than drawers and shelves full of DVDs.

Yes it does. However, the problem is that unlike digital music, you have to keep those shelves and drawers and you have to build up your digital library from scratch.
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Game-console sales are driven by content, especially exclusive content. Nintendo has Wii Fit, Wii Sports and Mario. These are big name franchises and are only available on a Nintendo system. Casual games are simply not system sellers. If you have a AppleTV you might then buy casual games for it, but very few new customers will buy a AppleTV for casual gaming.

In addition, unless Apple sells a lot more AppleTVs (or at least get the public excited about it), developers won't bother with the platform and will focus their resources elsewhere.

if AppleTV allowed you to mirror your iPhone/touch games simultaneously on your big screen HDTV, that would be terrific fun. that would mean there are already tens of millions of game controllers in consumer homes today. that would mean there are already tens of thousands of games available - many being "exclusive content". that would mean kids and adults already have favorites and know how to play them. Then all they would need to bridge the connection wirelessly is a $229 AppleTV - which btw also does some other things too.

iPhone games keep becoming more varied and sophisticated. multiplayer games are now being developed too. yes, they are very different than traditional game counsel or PSP/DSI games - but that is actually a very compelling reason to buy them - something new and different! and the games prices are so much lower than Sony/Nintendo charge, it would undercut their market savagely.
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maybe not. there is a very good case to add an optional BD drive to AppleTV. because it would allow Apple to continue to avoid adding BD to desktop and laptop Macs. any computer with BD must be HDCP compliant. which means the entire OS must be programmed to enforce its DRM, even blocking playback of unauthorized media (if a "flag" is triggered by content owners, which to date has not happened). we know Jobs/Apple do not want any third parties to have any control over any part of OS X, ever.

but the AppleTV is already HDCP compliant, so adding BD to it raises no new DRM issue. so it would make sense to sandbox it there, in a peripheral device.

Macs already have HDCP in the hardware as you can run Windows on a Mac with a BRD an play at full resolution. If You say Apple won't support it on OS X then that excludes the AppleTV which happens to be the closest flavour of OS X to Mac OS.
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if AppleTV allowed you to mirror your iPhone/touch games simultaneously on your big screen HDTV, that would be terrific fun. that would mean there are already tens of millions of game controllers in consumer homes today. that would mean there are already tens of thousands of games available - many being "exclusive content". that would mean kids and adults already have favorites and know how to play them. Then all they would need to bridge the connection wirelessly is a $229 AppleTV - which btw also does some other things.

iPhone games keep becoming more varied and sophisticated. multiplayer games are now being developed too. yes, they are very different than traditional game counsel or PSP/DSI games - but that is actually a very compelling reason to buy them - something new and different! and the games prices are so much lower than Sony/Nintendo charge, it would undercut their market savagely.

I'd like to see 3rd-party apps for the AppleTV but I think one of two things need to happen first.

1) They need to get a large enough user base in plae so developers will come.

2) They'll need to alter te iPhone SDK in some very amazing ways in order to simulate every touch screen action with a remote if you expect every game to simple work great on the AppleTV. Frankly, I don't see it.
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maybe not. there is a very good case to add an optional BD drive to AppleTV. because it would allow Apple to continue to avoid adding BD to desktop and laptop Macs. any computer with BD must be HDCP compliant. which means the entire OS must be programmed to enforce its DRM, even blocking playback of unauthorized media (if a "flag" is triggered by content owners, which to date has not happened). we know Jobs/Apple do not want any third parties to have any control over any part of OS X, ever.

but the AppleTV is already HDCP compliant, so adding BD to it raises no new DRM issue. so it would make sense to sandbox it there, in a peripheral device.

i do not think Apple will do this tho, because Jobs clearly wants to shift the market away from physical media like DVD's and BD to on-line sales instead.

While it is true that we can download all the media we need too install the OS on our Macs via the net there is one thing that cant be downloaded.

That is what to do when the hard drive dies and you need to do a full reformat (although rare does happen and some people like doing it with every major point release)

When this day comes that we no longer need physical discs like DVD/BRD, Companies like Apple will just change the media format to something like a NON re-writable version of something like this...

*** Imation Atom USB***

It would mean that they have eliminated the need for an optical drive and at the same time reduced packaging and allowed those that want/need physical media the ability to do so.

Movies are only a small limiting factor nowadays.
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