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One of your new year's resolutions should be looking up the word 'fact'.

Geez, why are you responding to teckstud?
post #122 of 161
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Interesting you did not link to where these quotes came from. Because they are likely taken from entirely different articles published at different times and taken out of proper context.

You are reaching pretty far in attempt to use two disjointed quotes that ultimately prove nothing.




You did not refute anything. You took two random quotes from two random articles and put them together with no context and no explanation of how they are connected.


I took an article that quotes benchmark results for the MacBook, and another article from the same publication wihich uses identical benchmark tests for the Studio.

Did you read them? And are you serious when you ask for test results given the vast differences in hardware?

BTW - I predicted correctly when I said you would not accept the proof, and would persist in your delusion that your laptop is faster than anything under $4500.

If not for your digital cluelessness, you would cut and paste the quotes into google and find the whole articles, and if not for your delusions, you would realize that your duo-core technology is slower than the i7.
post #123 of 161
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Again, youre only looking at a few specs that wannabe geeks think are the only things that matter to everyone. By your example its like saying a Big Mac performs better than a nice steak because the Big Mac has more calories and cost a lot less, but I prefer the steak every time. BTW, youre only using the word perform in a very limited way to mean computing performance.

Again, I was responding to "Since computers are machines whose performance is measurable and quantifiable. When ever anyone attempts to argue how Apple is over priced, I asked them to point out any other computer brand that can out perform an Apple machine for a lower price. No one has yet been able to do it."

"measurable and quantifiable" are the criteria that the delusional one wanted, and so that's the criteria I focused on. Listen - I'll admit that the MBP is very pretty and sleek. It is a beauty queen.

But the Mac-Gamer guy wanted performance specs, so that's what I focused on. I quoted two reviews from the same publication using the same benchmark tests. The quad-core Dell trounced the duo-core Mac (Duh - what a surprise!) and the idiot couldn't accept that his delusions were at odds with objective reality.

And he wouldn't accept that Apple does not make high-end laptops (performance-wise), but instead they use last-year's tech and put it in a nice package.

Yes - Apple products are pretty. Yes - Apple products are well engineered. Yes - Apple products are satisfying.

But the performance/price ratio is NOT superior to the alternatives. And until Apple catches up, anybody looking for a high-end (meaning high-performance) laptop should look elsewhere, and anyone looking for bang for the buck should look elsewhere.
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That's the whole point. No I see no articles where anyone has said that PC's out perform Mac's at a lower price. When it comes to notebooks performance can include size, weight, battery life.

Apple does not sell a notebook that will compromise size, weight, and battery life for diminishing returns on hardware performance.

Yes. Performance can also include the plastic and metal case that holds the guts. But generally, performance benchmarks are used to compare performance.

Using your criteria is like saying that a Kia outperforms a Ferrari because it has a bigger gas tank and needs fill ups less often. If range is your criteria, the Kia wins over Ferrari on performance. "Kia will NOT compromise on gas tank capacity, so..."

With computers, and especially with the guy who claimed his Mac was the world's best gaming laptop under $4500, performance means throughput.

I understand, BTW, that the MBP is a very nice machine. All I am commenting on is that they are also slow and expensive compared to the alternatives. That is the exact point that gameBoi refuses to accept.
post #125 of 161
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@ iGenius,
Q: Why even choose a notebook over a desktop, especially one that is made by a PC vendor, not one you built yourself. You can get a lot more performance out of a desktop you build yourself at much lower price than any PC vendors notebook.

A: Computing performance isnt the only metric that conscientious buyers should consider.

Hey - I agree. I've built/upgraded/cannibalized/hacked many machines over the years. Now I own a laptop, for very good and practical reasons.

I didn't build it - I bought it pre-assembled. That is because the practical considerations trumped performance.

If I wanted only performance, I would have built a box of SOTA components. If I wanted only bang/buck, I would have built a box using last year's latest and greatest. But for practical reasons., I geve up on SOTA performance and bang/buck and got a nice laptop.

I would NOT claim that it "performs" better than any computer at its price - to do that would be as silly as the gameBoi with his MacBook.
post #126 of 161
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Never, ever, ever, will I own another desktop. Aside from the AIO iMac paradigm, desktops are going the way of the dinosaurs.

I dunno. For an every-day use computer, I agree.

But I'm thinking of building a home server for storing music and video and backups and other large files. It won't be a laptop

It likely will be a machine with quiet fans and lots of disk drives. I may want to offload video-conversion and other data-crunching tasks to it, and therefore it might need a good processor and lots of RAM.

For computers like that, a "desktop" configuration makes sense. But for an everyday computer, I agree that the laptop has become the best choice.
post #127 of 161
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Geez, why are you responding to teckstud?

teckstud never really wrote more than six syllables per post. If that.
post #128 of 161
What you fail to understand is that you link to some random MBP benchmark with no further information. That doesn't tell us anything, when were those benchmarks done? Benchmark tests are best if they are done head to head, preferably on the same OS with the exact same software.

I shouldn't have to track down the articles you are using to support your point. If they truly prove your point, you should provide links to them.

The fact that you didn't provide a link says it all.

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I took an article that quotes benchmark results for the MacBook, and another article from the same publication wihich uses identical benchmark tests for the Studio.

Did you read them? And are you serious when you ask for test results given the vast differences in hardware?

BTW - I predicted correctly when I said you would not accept the proof, and would persist in your delusion that your laptop is faster than anything under $4500.

If not for your digital cluelessness, you would cut and paste the quotes into google and find the whole articles, and if not for your delusions, you would realize that your duo-core technology is slower than the i7.
post #129 of 161
The point of a notebook is to be portable. If its heavy, thick, with little battery life that limits its ability to be portable. These are all factors in its performance. Its not only about how fast it can process information.

In your car example, yes as a general car the Kia does out perform the Ferrari. If you are using the Ferrari as a race car their is less concern about its fuel consumption. Who cares about how fast it goes if it cannot hold enough fuel to get you to the grocery store.

In your mind faster is always better under any circumstance and that simply is not true. There are many other factors.


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Yes. Performance can also include the plastic and metal case that holds the guts. But generally, performance benchmarks are used to compare performance.

Using your criteria is like saying that a Kia outperforms a Ferrari because it has a bigger gas tank and needs fill ups less often. If range is your criteria, the Kia wins over Ferrari on performance. "Kia will NOT compromise on gas tank capacity, so..."


I understand, BTW, that the MBP is a very nice machine. All I am commenting on is that they are also slow and expensive compared to the alternatives. That is the exact point that gameBoi refuses to accept.
post #130 of 161
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Geez, why are you responding to teckstud?

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teckstud never really wrote more than six syllables per post. If that.

I may not agree with iGenius but I can’t see how it could be Teckstud. Besides what Quadra stated, iGenius writes paragraphs and complex compound sentence that aren’t making caustic statements about fanboys and Kool-Aid. The name he going by now is Mr. Koolaid.
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post #131 of 161
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"measurable and quantifiable" are the criteria that the delusional one wanted, and so that's the criteria I focused on. Listen - I'll admit that the MBP is very pretty and sleek. It is a beauty queen.

But the Mac-Gamer guy wanted performance specs, so that's what I focused on. I quoted two reviews from the same publication using the same benchmark tests. The quad-core Dell trounced the duo-core Mac (Duh - what a surprise!) and the idiot couldn't accept that his delusions were at odds with objective reality.

And he wouldn't accept that Apple does not make high-end laptops (performance-wise), but instead they use last-year's tech and put it in a nice package.

Yes - Apple products are pretty. Yes - Apple products are well engineered. Yes - Apple products are satisfying.

But the performance/price ratio is NOT superior to the alternatives. And until Apple catches up, anybody looking for a high-end (meaning high-performance) laptop should look elsewhere, and anyone looking for bang for the buck should look elsewhere.

That is why I keep saying youre missing his point. Youre picking out some basic specs that any Mac will lose it and saying that Macs are worse performers.That is the not the whole picture, and you know it. TenoBell is right, you still havent found a machine that beats a Mac.

Being a beauty queen or put in a nice package is myopic if you think that a thin, sturdy encloser is only for aesthetic purposes.

Are you going to cry foul on Apple when they release dual-core Core-i machines this year, not quad-core Core-i? Im sure were gonna hear a lot of But quad-core notebooks have been out since last year and Apple only has dual-core.


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post #132 of 161
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I shouldn't have to track down the articles you are using to support your point. If they truly prove your point, you should provide links to them.

The fact that you didn't provide a link says it all.

You don't have to track down the articles unless you want to. The snippets provided the benchmarks you asked for, and if you want to look into it further, you are welcome to do so. Or, in the alternative, you are welcome to believe that you have the fastest sub-$4500 laptop on the market.

Your delusion that a machine with last-years architecture might be faster than the new Quad-core architecture needs little to refute it, so that all I gave. I think I mentioned that I spent all of 2 minutes to find a couple of relevant results.

And on a related note, have you seen this?

http://www.electronista.com/articles...5.and.i7.fast/

In a few days/weeks, your CPU will be two generations behind the curve. And you'll still be kidding yourself.
post #133 of 161
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

You don't have to track down the articles unless you want to. The snippets provided the benchmarks you asked for, and if you want to look into it further, you are welcome to do so. Or, in the alternative, you are welcome to believe that you have the fastest sub-$4500 laptop on the market.

Your delusion that a machine with last-years architecture might be faster than the new Quad-core architecture needs little to refute it, so that all I gave. I think I mentioned that I spent all of 2 minutes to find a couple of relevant results.

And on a related note, have you seen this?

http://www.electronista.com/articles...5.and.i7.fast/

In a few days/weeks, your CPU will be two generations behind the curve. And you'll still be kidding yourself.

1) Show me where he stated that he only wants performance from the CPU and nothing else?

2) You do realize that these Arrandales are already behind the curve of the Clarkfield released last year, based on your performance benchmarking. Why do you think Apple will use the Arrandales and bypass Clarkfield completely?
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post #134 of 161
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The point of a notebook is to be portable. If its heavy, thick, with little battery life that limits its ability to be portable. These are all factors in its performance. Its not only about how fast it can process information.

Very true. But the notebook used in comparison to the MBP is neither heavy nor thick, and it has a bigger battery than the Mac.


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In your car example, yes as a general car the Kia does out perform the Ferrari. If you are using the Ferrari as a race car their is less concern about its fuel consumption. Who cares about how fast it goes if it cannot hold enough fuel to get you to the grocery store.

The OP that I was responding to brought up benchmarks. And I think that I have said several times that the Mac is truly a beauty queen. That is not in dispute.

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In your mind faster is always better under any circumstance and that simply is not true. There are many other factors.

I don't think that faster is always better. I bought a laptop, and not a desktop. Laptops offer a poor performance/$ ratio.

Indeed, I didn't even buy the best bang/buck laptop performance-wise, because I agree with your point about other factors being important. For example, I wanted an American manufacturer for personal political reasons. I wanted it to look nicer than average and to last longer than average. I wanted a nice screen. I wanted a backlit keyboard. I wanted a big battery, and the ability to swap in a spare when needed. I wanted it to be reasonably light and small, while nevertheless having a reasonable screen size. I wanted a nice assortment of ports (including FireWire and an HDMI port.

Compared to the MBP, I got a much faster processor, a much better screen, a larger, faster hard drive, a larger battery, and a MUCH lower price.

Again, I neither looked for nor got the most performance per dollar. And to claim that the MBP offers the most "performance" per dollar is to use idiosyncratic meanings.
post #135 of 161
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That is why I keep saying youre missing his point. Youre picking out some basic specs that any Mac will lose it and saying that Macs are worse performers.That is the not the whole picture, and you know it. TenoBell is right, you still havent found a machine that beats a Mac.

This is the quote that I was responding to by Tenobell: "Since computers are machines whose performance is measurable and quantifiable. When ever anyone attempts to argue how Apple is over priced, I asked them to point out any other computer brand that can out perform an Apple machine for a lower price. No one has yet been able to do it."

He spoke of "performance" as "measurable and quantifiable" . He then says that no other brand can out "perform" an Apple.

I will grant that if one uses a shifting criteria like "beat a mac", anything is possible, because we are in the realm of opinion. But Tenobell wasn't saying that no other machine is subjectively better, he was talking (or so appeared to me to be talking) about measurable and quantifiable aspects of the machines when he used the word "perform". Had he said, in an offhand manner, "Hey - nothing beats a Mac in my book!" I would likely have not responded. If that is truly what he meant, then I missed his point.


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Being a beauty queen or put in a nice package is myopic if you think that a thin, sturdy encloser is only for aesthetic purposes.

I do not think that. Sorry for the misimpression.
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Are you going to cry foul on Apple when they release dual-core Core-i machines this year, not quad-core Core-i? Im sure were gonna hear a lot of But quad-core notebooks have been out since last year and Apple only has dual-core.

No, I won't cry foul over that. Why would I? But if the claim is made that they outperform aother, similarly-priced computers, I might comment on the claim, as I am doing now.



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PS: The forum has one rule it adheres to. No name calling.

Thx. Does that include inanimate objects too? Was my Beauty-Queen comment against the rules?
post #136 of 161
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1) Show me where he stated that he only wants performance from the CPU and nothing else?

He never stated that. Here's what he stated: "Since computers are machines whose performance is measurable and quantifiable. When ever anyone attempts to argue how Apple is over priced, I asked them to point out any other computer brand that can out perform an Apple machine for a lower price. No one has yet been able to do it."


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2) You do realize that these Arrandales are already behind the curve of the Clarkfield released last year, based on your performance benchmarking. Why do you think Apple will use the Arrandales and bypass Clarkfield completely?

Was a Clarksfield ever made for mobile applications? I really don't follow this stufff closely. The Nehelem, I thought, was the mobile version of that architecture. Does Apple still use Penryn?
post #137 of 161
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This is the quote that I was responding to by Tenobell: "Since computers are machines whose performance is measurable and quantifiable. When ever anyone attempts to argue how Apple is over priced, I asked them to point out any other computer brand that can out perform an Apple machine for a lower price. No one has yet been able to do it."

He spoke of "performance" as "measurable and quantifiable" . He then says that no other brand can out "perform" an Apple.

As both TenoBell and I have stated several times now, your CPU performance isnt the only "measurable and quantifiable metric for perform.

There have been gaming notebooks for years cramming desktop-grade components into a notebooky that is 3 thick, weighs 15lb and barely has any battery life. Those amchines perform much worse than any Mac notebook in portability and longevity. Can you not see how these are "measurable and quantifiable ways in which see how a machine performs?

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Was my Beauty-Queen comment against the rules?

No.
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post #138 of 161
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He never stated that. Here's what he stated: "Since computers are machines whose performance is measurable and quantifiable. When ever anyone attempts to argue how Apple is over priced, I asked them to point out any other computer brand that can out perform an Apple machine for a lower price. No one has yet been able to do it."




Was a Clarksfield ever made for mobile applications? I really don't follow this stufff closely. The Nehelem, I thought, was the mobile version of that architecture. Does Apple still use Penryn?

This is what some notebooks are using to get quad-core and Core-i7 in their machines, despite the 45W TDP. Now there is dual-core Core-3, i5, and i7 Arrandales which have a max TDP of 35W, which is inline with their current offerings. Yep, still Penryn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarksf...microprocessor)
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post #139 of 161
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As both TenoBell and I have stated several times now, your CPU performance isnt the only "measurable and quantifiable metric for perform.

There have been gaming notebooks for years cramming desktop-grade components into a notebooky that is 3 thick, weighs 15lb and barely has any battery life. Those amchines perform much worse than any Mac notebook in portability and longevity. Can you not see how these are "measurable and quantifiable ways in which see how a machine performs?


No.

I have said several times (even in the post you responded to) that the notebook used in comparison is not heavy or thick. It is not as you describe above. Instead, it is comparable to the MBP in that regard.

It also has a faster, bigger hard drive. And a much better screen. And a better assortment of ports. And a bigger battery. All relevant aspects that might lead one to say that it "performs" better. And it is cheaper.

I've said each of these things repeatedly, and have never once said that CPU speed is the sole determinant of a good laptop.
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I have said several times (even in the post you responded to) that the notebook used in comparison is not heavy or thick. It is not as you describe above. Instead, it is comparable to the MBP in that regard.

It also has a faster, bigger hard drive. And a much better screen. And a better assortment of ports. And a bigger battery. All relevant aspects that might lead one to say that it "performs" better. And it is cheaper.

I've said each of these things repeatedly, and have never once said that CPU speed is the sole determinant of a good laptop.

This is just getting pathetic. Are you purposely not reading anything. Is the machine less than 0.95 thick? No, I think it was 1.5 at its thickest point. Does it have a 7 hour battery that can last 5 years and 1000 cycles? I doubt it. Does it has a unibody aluminium case that is very, very sturdy and helps uphold the value of the machine? Of course not, as that takes engineering time and money?

You even say it has a better display, but you dont quantify it. Im guessing you mean a higher resolution display, but that is not even close to being the most important aspect of the display for me. Apples displays tend to beat the competition in most tests.

Stop looking at from angel and start looking at in the way TenoBell described.
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post #141 of 161
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This is just getting pathetic. Are you purposely not reading anything. Is the machine less than 0.95 thick? No, I think it was 1.5 at its thickest point. Does it have a 7 hour battery that can last 5 years and 1000 cycles? I doubt it. Does it has a unibody aluminium case that is very, very sturdy and helps uphold the value of the machine? Of course not, as that takes engineering time and money?

You even say it has a better display, but you dont quantify it. Im guessing you mean a higher resolution display, but that is not even close to being the most important aspect of the display for me. Apples displays tend to beat the competition in most tests.

Stop looking at from angel and start looking at in the way TenoBell described.

Fine. I agree.

Dollar-for-dollar, based upon objective criteria, the MacBook Pro is the best performing laptop on the market. Indeed, it is the best performing sub-$4500 gaming laptop on the market, and at the low price set by Apple, it is a bargain.

I'm done.
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Fine. I agree.

Dollar-for-dollar, based upon objective criteria, the MacBook Pro is the best performing laptop on the market. Indeed, it is the best performing sub-$4500 gaming laptop on the market, and at the low price set by Apple, it is a bargain.

I'm done.

Its not a gaming laptop.
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post #143 of 161
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Its not a gaming laptop.

Of course. I was referring, in an oblique way, to this quote from earlier in the thread:

"MY
15" MBP 3.02GHz 500G 7200 rpm 3 chip setup proves you are a silly little man with no money to buy an apple machine.

my laptop out performs all of them except for the monster Allen ware $4500 lap top"

Indeed, this is the quote that got me going in the first place. It refers to a gaming laptop and makes price/performance claims.
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Of course. I was referring, in an oblique way, to this quote from earlier in the thread:

"MY
15" MBP 3.02GHz 500G 7200 rpm 3 chip setup proves you are a silly little man with no money to buy an apple machine.

my laptop out performs all of them except for the monster Allen ware $4500 lap top"

Indeed, this is the quote that got me going in the first place. It refers to a gaming laptop and makes price/performance claims.

IMO, that should have the comment you focused on.
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IMO, that should have the comment you focused on.

I did, until the "nobody can prove to me that..." shtick got going. The OP had by then dropped out of the conversation, I guess.
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I may not agree with iGenius but I cant see how it could be Teckstud. Besides what Quadra stated, iGenius writes paragraphs and complex compound sentence that arent making caustic statements about fanboys and Kool-Aid. The name he going by now is Mr. Koolaid.

You're right. He's (probably) not teckstud and frankly I agree with him...sorta.

Apple machines tend to be most cost competitive when a new generation is released and successively begin to suck more in terms of bang for the buck. The 2009 models are essentially 2007 MBP with a speed bump and new bodies. When the 2010 arrandales come out the MBP will again be cost competitive with the HP and Dell equivalents. Just like when the C2D came out in 2007 the MB and MBPs were cost competitive with Dells. In 2012, they'll suck again because traditionally Apple passes along very little of the cost savings.

In the case of the 2009 MBPs a lot got eaten up by the unibody construction costs anyway.

So 2010...good time to buy a MBP.
post #147 of 161
I suppose I need to parse my comment down to an extremely specific meaning. Apple doesn't work to make the fastest computers, Apple works to make the most usable computers. Usability includes various different factors. With a notebook when you factor in size, weight, battery life, as well as speed. No one makes a comparable machine at a lower price.

I still cannot agree with taking benchmarks from random articles, their are just too many factors to benchmarks for that to fly.

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I did, until the "nobody can prove to me that..." shtick got going. The OP had by then dropped out of the conversation, I guess.
post #148 of 161
I agree the performance/value ratio widens for Apple computers at the end of the refresh cycles. That's because PC manufacturers quickly lower prices as their machines grow older. Apple does not lower the price at all. We all know this and is why Apple enthusiast sites encourage people to not buy a new Mac when its refresh seems imminent.

Where I don't agree is in the 2009 MBP being a 2007 MBP in a new body. I mean for one the 2008 MBP refresh uses an entirely different motherboard and chipset from the 2007 MBP.

But over that time in my profession I can clearly see the evolution. The 2007 MBP could only play the most compressed HD video formats and it still dropped frames. With the 2008 refresh the list of HD playback options expanded considerably. Now with the 2009 refresh, the MBP can pretty much play all compressed HD formats.

This has been a huge change for the film/video industry, only a couple of years ago you could only playback HD on a G5 tower, the PowerBook wasn't an option at all.

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You're right. He's (probably) not teckstud and frankly I agree with him...sorta.

Apple machines tend to be most cost competitive when a new generation is released and successively begin to suck more in terms of bang for the buck. The 2009 models are essentially 2007 MBP with a speed bump and new bodies. When the 2010 arrandales come out the MBP will again be cost competitive with the HP and Dell equivalents. Just like when the C2D came out in 2007 the MB and MBPs were cost competitive with Dells. In 2012, they'll suck again because traditionally Apple passes along very little of the cost savings.

In the case of the 2009 MBPs a lot got eaten up by the unibody construction costs anyway.

So 2010...good time to buy a MBP.
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Just to set the record straight, the first Apple product I bought was in 1984. Were you born then?

1957

i got my first mac in 1989

i misunderstood your bravado

you can put the fastest anything thing in the grayest box and my mbp 15" will still out perform your
homemade contraption
day in and day out
ease of use
plug and play all day
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Fine. I agree.

Dollar-for-dollar, based upon objective criteria, the MacBook Pro is the best performing laptop on the market. Indeed, it is the best performing sub-$4500 gaming laptop on the market, and at the low price set by Apple, it is a bargain.

I'm done.

that is what i was trying to tell you dude !!! i am sorry i can't explain my self better
i own 5 mac laptops and all the older ones suck bad when it comes to screen beauty and rendering speed compared to the late 09 MBP'S.

my god dude you rock !!
peace

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Its not a gaming laptop.

i play all games at high settings except crysis . And i wear fire proof pants to deal with the heat
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

You're right. He's (probably) not teckstud and frankly I agree with him...sorta.

Apple machines tend to be most cost competitive when a new generation is released and successively begin to suck more in terms of bang for the buck. The 2009 models are essentially 2007 MBP with a speed bump and new bodies. When the 2010 arrandales come out the MBP will again be cost competitive with the HP and Dell equivalents. Just like when the C2D came out in 2007 the MB and MBPs were cost competitive with Dells. In 2012, they'll suck again because traditionally Apple passes along very little of the cost savings.

In the case of the 2009 MBPs a lot got eaten up by the unibody construction costs anyway.

So 2010...good time to buy a MBP.

the unibody is cheaper over all than the old labor intensive way of making a laptop.
and economies of scale continue to reduce the over all price \\except for the price of alum which may sky rocket if apple continues to sell so many units .
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post #153 of 161
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

You're right. He's (probably) not teckstud and frankly I agree with him...sorta.

You are a brave man, Vinea...sorta.
post #154 of 161
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

I suppose I need to parse my comment down to an extremely specific meaning. Apple doesn't work to make the fastest computers, Apple works to make the most usable computers. Usability includes various different factors. With a notebook when you factor in size, weight, battery life, as well as speed. No one makes a comparable machine at a lower price.

Damn. Had you said that in the first place, I would not have argued. You're saying that overall, the combination of attributes embodied by the MacBook best satisfies what you want.

You are welcome to come to that conclusion. Me, I gave up a bit of size/weight (there certainly ARE lighter 15 inch laptops) in order to get added (ahem) performance and a lower price. I neither got the budget Dell Inspiron nor the overpriced Dell XPS.

I got a pretty light, pretty good looking, well provisioned and equipped laptop with blazing (ahem) performance, all at a surprisingly low price. Everything in life is compromises, and given the guts of this machine, I think I made a good choice. Maybe after lugging around the extra 7 ounces for a few months I'll regret my decision. But I doubt it.
post #155 of 161
Right, that is what I meant. I was not saying that Apple makes the fastest computers, they certainly do not.

I've been looking around at i7 benchmark tests. Primarily all of the tests compare i7 against Quad Core Penryn. They are using tests that emphasis multithreading which plays to the strength of quad processors. So of course i7 will kill those tests. At points where the test is not taking advantage of multithreading i7 is only slightly if any faster.

Your sacrifice for an i7 machine is not size/weight it was in battery life.

Anandtech is finding that i5 with hyperthreading is providing better performance gains than i7 for notebooks, with minimal hit in battery life.



Arrandale is going to deliver the single largest performance improvement we've seen from a new mobile processor in years. Hyper-Threading brings the many of the benefits of having a quad-core processor without the added power consumption. Turbo is also extremely useful in mobile since it's one of the most TDP-constrained environments you can imagine.

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Damn. Had you said that in the first place, I would not have argued. You're saying that overall, the combination of attributes embodied by the MacBook best satisfies what you want.

You are welcome to come to that conclusion. Me, I gave up a bit of size/weight (there certainly ARE lighter 15 inch laptops) in order to get added (ahem) performance and a lower price. I neither got the budget Dell Inspiron nor the overpriced Dell XPS.

I got a pretty light, pretty good looking, well provisioned and equipped laptop with blazing (ahem) performance, all at a surprisingly low price. Everything in life is compromises, and given the guts of this machine, I think I made a good choice. Maybe after lugging around the extra 7 ounces for a few months I'll regret my decision. But I doubt it.
post #156 of 161
I’m glad we’re all finally on the same page.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #157 of 161
Hi,
iphone OS is very nice to see.But can you please tell me how can I installed the OS in my computer?
post #158 of 161
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you have said all this backwards and wrong
but your point is weirdly true.................

Could you please preview your posts and read them to yourself aloud before hitting that submit button.

I'm asking, not telling
post #159 of 161
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

You're right. He's (probably) not teckstud and frankly I agree with him...sorta.

Apple machines tend to be most cost competitive when a new generation is released and successively begin to suck more in terms of bang for the buck. The 2009 models are essentially 2007 MBP with a speed bump and new bodies. When the 2010 arrandales come out the MBP will again be cost competitive with the HP and Dell equivalents. Just like when the C2D came out in 2007 the MB and MBPs were cost competitive with Dells. In 2012, they'll suck again because traditionally Apple passes along very little of the cost savings.

In the case of the 2009 MBPs a lot got eaten up by the unibody construction costs anyway.

So 2010...good time to buy a MBP.

I'm hoping they are here on the 27th....hoping.
post #160 of 161
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hey troll boy
MY
15" MBP 3.02GHz 500G 7200 rpm 3 chip setup proves you as a silly little man with no money to buy an apple machine.

my laptop out performs all of them except for the monster Allen ware $4500 lap top which is a suit case in reality . Your genius has walked around making agitating silly statements allover the place .

Come to my house your rudeness and play call of duty at full graphics and see no blur no lost frames full sync on every frame .

you had your giggle
we are all amused since you're the first jerk to come here and play these funny sarcasm games
ha ha


happy new year and i hope you get your first mac soon dude


lmao lol, thats what $2500?

check out sagers laptops at the same price as your, the large difference is screen res, better processor, stronger graphics lol at the same price.

as well, ALIENWARE SUCKS BALLS
u pay like $500 xtra for the case

PC means personal computer.  

i have processing issues, mostly trying to get my ideas into speech and text.

if i say something confusing please tell me!

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PC means personal computer.  

i have processing issues, mostly trying to get my ideas into speech and text.

if i say something confusing please tell me!

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