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post #42 of 161
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Safari 4.0 was much improved over the 3.x versions. Near the end of its beta phrase Apple decided to switch the placement of tabs. It looked pretty close how it went against normal Apple UI design and maybe the developers were tipping their hats to Google.

I miss the tabs on top. I liked the increase space for viewing pages. I understand if they didn't like the result and went back to tabs on bottom but I would have liked the option even if it was hidden in the PLIST file. I ran the beta for as long as possible.

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One annoyance in Safari 4.0 is having the plus sign "+" way to the right of the actually tabs instead of right next to the tabs. Most modern browsers make it easy to create a new tab without having to move your mouse across the entire screen. That's a UI design flaw of Safari.

I see what you saying but I don't think it's a big deal with double-clicking the tabs bar to create a new tab and the Add Tab tool bar option.

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Also, I still can't sort web sites in Safari like I can in other browsers.

Intrigued. Sort how?

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What happened to the rumored feature of Safari implementing volume controls in the brower so web ads can be muffled? That would be a nice feature.

I'd like to see this added, too.
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post #43 of 161
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

My 2¢ is this:


1: Have you seen Safari on Windows?

Or I should rather say, fisher price colored Windows?

2: Windows users are looking for better security, privacy and customization than IE. Safari doesn't offer that. Crome doesn't offer that, it might, but I doubt it.

3: I don't think Google will allow Ad Block, Ghostery (trackers), NoScript (script firewall) and BetterPrivacy (flash cookies killer) on their Chrome browser. Especially since Google goes out of it's way to know everything on the internet.

Really?
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/search?q=AdBlock

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post #44 of 161
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I think Chrome browser share will continue to grow, but it won't be at Safari's expense. It offers nothing to the average Safari user but promises to replace Firefox completely once the plug-in mania gets started.

I would bet money that as Chrome usage rises, Firefox and MSIE use goes down. MSIE will likely stay stronger too because the reasons behind it's use have less to do with user preference than they do business. Those that are looking for simple and minimal though will likely stay with Safari.

Not sure about that. If Chrome fixes their browser to a point where people no longer need firefox since safari has some problems with secure finacially sites, both FF and Safari take a huge hit. If the jail break it for the phone, even bigger penetration.

HNY
post #45 of 161
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Originally Posted by MobileMe View Post

I think that's Apples main focus, grow the iPhone, and it will in return create the Halo effect. The iPhone OS is still in its infancy but compared to others it's way more advanced, from developer to User.



Snow Leopard did it's job, though many people feel Apple rushed it, it's set us up for what's to come. I think Apple's market share from where they were just 2 years ago is great.

The Desktop Operating System as Whole will be dramatically changed in few years time anyway 3 years + or - .




It's edge out by Googles Chrome in beta form!? Pretty impressive, from the perspective that by time Google says it's finished with Chrome being in beta (Which is scheduled for Dec of this year) Apple will have improved Safari dramatically that the two competing browsers will always end up out edging one another.

I've always felt the ultimate goal of the "browser wars" was to have a sufficient and capable browser for Windows users since IE<insert failed numerical # here> hasn't been good for anybody on that platform. Apple was kind enough to share safari (not to mention it makes business sense). Google has obviously wedge itself as a viable solution next to Mozilla (which should be more worried).... Apple will never allow a competitor to best them on it's own OS.




is the same mythical Halo affect from the iPod (210m units in 9 years) that has created a 5% US computer market share and a considerably lower one elsewhere in the world?

a PMP is one thing, a whole computer is a different proposition.

rounding error is correct.
post #46 of 161
Though Chrome is faster, light and quite easy to use, I will still use Safari 4 because of its great RSS reader, inbuilt dictionary and speech services, cover flow for searching through history, ability to play HD videos on youtube through Quicktime X by using click2flash plugin, really easy to use Top Sites features among others. Though some of these features are present for Chrome as well, but they have not been done as beautifully as they are in Safari 4. Despite all these praises that I showered on Safari 4, it is really annoying that it keeps crashing regularly on my MacBook. This really sucks. It is despite the fact I have SL on my MacBook and Safari supposed to be crash resistant. I hope Apple will fix this problem in a new update of Safari.
post #47 of 161
What's surprised me is the amount of advertising that Google has put behind Chrome. The entirety of the London Underground has been plastered with adverts for it. I was at Oxford Circus (one of the main stations for tourists) and every single billboard had a Chrome poster on it. I've never seen Google advertise in this way before and they've gone in big.
post #48 of 161
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I can't go onto YouTube without getting bet around the place by Chrome adverts. I like Google and all that but this is the first instance where I feel they are going a bit too far. Sort of abusing their power.

I wouldn't mind but I think Chrome is a great browser.

how is it an abuse of their power to plaster ads on youtube, which they own? have you seen amazon's site recently? the entire homepage is all kindle, all the time.

google is doing this at an expense in lieu of other advertisements showing in its place.
post #49 of 161
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Cool. thanks.

Guess Google wants to know how many people block ads too.
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post #50 of 161
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Originally Posted by holywarrior007 View Post

Despite all these praises that I showered on Safari 4, it is really annoying that it keeps crashing regularly on my MacBook.


Safari most likely isn't the problem, your computer might be.

1: could be your RAM is too low, get more as you'll need it anyway eventually.

2: could be a corrupted or infected Safari, get OnyX and completely flush your system and browser caches, do everything, it sort of nukes your system back to the original system state (files and network left ok)

If that doesn't work there is software that can extract Safari from the OS X install disks (get back with you on that) so you replace the old with the new.

If that doesn't work, it's most likely a corrupted OS X and or bad sectors on the disk which will give you problems regardless. The biggest cause of bad sectors is rough handling while the hard drive is operating. Don't move your computer while it's powered up.

You can download and Carbon Copy Clone your entire OS X boot drive over to a external drive and repair permissions on both. 'Hold option boot" from the clone and check everything out that it works.

Then 'hold c boot' from a OS X install disk and select Disk Utility and Erase with Zero option (important) the entire drive. Everything will be gone and the bad sectors mapped off.

After this is done, reinstall OS X and update everything using your old drive/user name and passwords. You then can copy things like iTunes over without alteration form the clone. If not you can edit the file in iTunes and "search and replace" to the new pathnames of your new drive so all your playlists etc are intact.


If after rebuilding your entire hard drive you still have issues, it's most likely a failing drive. Which warranty or AppleCare or $$ will be needed to fix.

If you have a MacBook that you can access the hard drive, simply get a new one and replace. Get a quality drive, Hitachi makes the best drives. The drives Apple uses are just above substandard in my opinion.
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post #51 of 161
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Originally Posted by jumper View Post

I dont believe this for a second. I can't believe how naive people are if they believe all these surveys. The internet must have 100's of survey results everyday. Show me how you got these numbers, how big was your pool, did the same address use both Sarfari and Chome? Show me the proof.


Nothing could possibly be better than an Apple product.
This poll indicates that folks prefer non-Apple products.

Therefore, this poll is defective.

QED. For a blinder-wearing fanboi, perhaps.
post #52 of 161
"Despite all these praises that I showered on Safari 4, it is really annoying that it keeps crashing regularly on my MacBook. "

Nonsense. It just works. Macs never crash, nor does any Apple software. Ever.
post #53 of 161
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Safari most likely isn't the problem, your computer might be.

1: could be your RAM is too low, get more as you'll need it anyway eventually.

2: could be a corrupted or infected Safari, get OnyX and completely flush your system and browser caches, do everything, it sort of nukes your system back to the original system state (files and network left ok)

If that doesn't work there is software that can extract Safari from the OS X install disks (get back with you on that) so you replace the old with the new.

If that doesn't work, it's most likely a corrupted OS X and or bad sectors on the disk which will give you problems regardless. The biggest cause of bad sectors is rough handling while the hard drive is operating. Don't move your computer while it's powered up.

You can download and Carbon Copy Clone your entire OS X boot drive over to a external drive and repair permissions on both. 'Hold option boot" from the clone and check everything out that it works.

Then 'hold c boot' from a OS X install disk and select Disk Utility and Erase with Zero option (important) the entire drive. Everything will be gone and the bad sectors mapped off.

After this is done, reinstall OS X and update everything using your old drive/user name and passwords. You then can copy things like iTunes over without alteration form the clone. If not you can edit the file in iTunes and "search and replace" to the new pathnames of your new drive so all your playlists etc are intact.


If after rebuilding your entire hard drive you still have issues, it's most likely a failing drive. Which warranty or AppleCare or $$ will be needed to fix.

If you have a MacBook that you can access the hard drive, simply get a new one and replace. Get a quality drive, Hitachi makes the best drives. The drives Apple uses are just above substandard in my opinion.

I think that you are confused. This is NOT a Windows machine. None of this is ever necessary with a Mac.
post #54 of 161
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

safari has some problems with secure finacially sites,
HNY

Nonsense. Safari works perfectly with every website out there.

i assume that you use the PC version. Likely your Windows computer has so much virus that it doesn't work right.
post #55 of 161
I wouldn't call that normal. A lot of this can depend on what computer you are running, the amount of RAM and so forth. Pretty much any application will run better with more resources. For me Safari pops up before its icon can bounce once in the dock. Web pages open nearly instantly.

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I gotta say, I switched to Chrome and really like it. Safari over time for me has slowed down tremendously - booting takes longer, and even for simple pages I was getting the beach ball far more often than I'd like. After googling it seems like this is a common problem for a lot of safari users, though maybe not all.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

"Despite all these praises that I showered on Safari 4, it is really annoying that it keeps crashing regularly on my MacBook. "

Nonsense. It just works. Macs never crash, nor does any Apple software. Ever.

No nonsense here. I am a Mac fan too. But this is true. It does crash on my MacBook. I have to figure it out what is the problem.
post #57 of 161
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Safari most likely isn't the problem, your computer might be.

1: could be your RAM is too low, get more as you'll need it anyway eventually.

2: could be a corrupted or infected Safari, get OnyX and completely flush your system and browser caches, do everything, it sort of nukes your system back to the original system state (files and network left ok)

If that doesn't work there is software that can extract Safari from the OS X install disks (get back with you on that) so you replace the old with the new.

If that doesn't work, it's most likely a corrupted OS X and or bad sectors on the disk which will give you problems regardless. The biggest cause of bad sectors is rough handling while the hard drive is operating. Don't move your computer while it's powered up.

You can download and Carbon Copy Clone your entire OS X boot drive over to a external drive and repair permissions on both. 'Hold option boot" from the clone and check everything out that it works.

Then 'hold c boot' from a OS X install disk and select Disk Utility and Erase with Zero option (important) the entire drive. Everything will be gone and the bad sectors mapped off.

After this is done, reinstall OS X and update everything using your old drive/user name and passwords. You then can copy things like iTunes over without alteration form the clone. If not you can edit the file in iTunes and "search and replace" to the new pathnames of your new drive so all your playlists etc are intact.


If after rebuilding your entire hard drive you still have issues, it's most likely a failing drive. Which warranty or AppleCare or $$ will be needed to fix.

If you have a MacBook that you can access the hard drive, simply get a new one and replace. Get a quality drive, Hitachi makes the best drives. The drives Apple uses are just above substandard in my opinion.

Well I have 4GB RAM, I have recently also run OnyX to clean up the system. I have installed SMART utility reporter and it says that the HD is fine. Meanwhile I have noticed that Safari crashes on my MacBook when I tried to play videos on youtube through Quicktime X using click2flash plugins and have multiple tabs open. Though I am not sure if I can repeat the crashing every time this way. But this is true it does crash on my notebook quite often. I have to figure out a solution to this problem.
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Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post

is the same mythical Halo affect from the iPod (210m units in 9 years) that has created a 5% US computer market share and a considerably lower one elsewhere in the world?

What's the point of trolling and lying at the same time?

iPod has been on the market for 8 years. Not 9.
Only 7.5 years... on the Windows side.
250 million sold. Not 210
The Mac's US market share is nearly 9%. Not 5%.

Around the launch of iPod for windows Apple had:
Around 20 million Mac users.
Annual Mac sales of just over 3 million.
Approx. 3% of the US computer market.
And 1.8% of the worldwide computer market.

Today:
Over 40 million Mac users.
Annual Mac sales of just nearly 11 million.
Nearly 9% of the US computer market.
And 3.6% of the worldwide computer market.

So in the iPod timeframe the relevant Mac stats have either doubled... or tripled.

That's not mythical. Just fact.
post #59 of 161
The plot thickens. You are trying to run video from a plug on a native media frame work using another plug in. That's not a problem with Safari. That's problem from the plug ins. Apple has said most of Safari's crashing is from Flash.

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Originally Posted by holywarrior007 View Post

Well I have 4GB RAM, I have recently also run OnyX to clean up the system. I have installed SMART utility reporter and it says that the HD is fine. Meanwhile I have noticed that Safari crashes on my MacBook when I tried to play videos on youtube through Quicktime X using click2flash plugins and have multiple tabs open. Though I am not sure if I can repeat the crashing every time this way. But this is true it does crash on my notebook quite often. I have to figure out a solution to this problem.
post #60 of 161
That post was intended to be inflammatory. Its best if we just ignore it.

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What's the point of trolling and lying at the same time?
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

What's the point of trolling and lying at the same time?

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So in the iPod timeframe the relevant Mac stats have either doubled... or tripled.

That's not mythical. Just fact.

I don't agree with Archipellago's conclusion and his facts are obviously wrong, but I do agree with a comment: "a PMP is one thing, a whole computer is a different proposition."

If we look at the real uptick in Mac sales it looks like it occured right when Apple made the shift to Intel and had the option of installing Windows which gave an out for those who didn't like or couldn't use Mac OS X, for whatever reason.

There were also Get A Mac ads which would help get people into Apple Stores (though the location and setup was likely reason enough if you were walking by) where many people could get their hands on a Mac for a first time.

After that word of mouth would have picked up from increased users giving a positive review. I don't don't some people used an MP3 player and decided to get a Nac but Id wager a great many more were influenced by direct Mac, changes, advertising and interaction, not from a pocketable PMP.

Archipellago is wrong in using marketshare as his sole metric without qualifiers. It's impossible for Apple to reach a 25% worldwide PC marketshare like HP, muchless overtake Windows on the OS side, with Apple's chosen business model. He's comparing disparate things and then claiming the other is failing because their unit sales are obviously lower. By his comparison all night restaurants are failures because they sell less beef-based food units than fastfood restaurants. The old fastfood hamburger v. quality steak analogy, at least it's not a car analogy.

PS: I'm still holding at 3.12M Macs sold this year.
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post #62 of 161
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

What's the point of trolling and lying at the same time?

iPod has been on the market for 8 years.

Around the launch of iPod for windows Apple had:
... 1.8% of the worldwide computer market.

Today:

... 3.6% of the worldwide computer market.

So in the iPod timeframe the relevant Mac stats have either doubled... or tripled.

That's not mythical. Just fact.

Yes, those are the facts, not that the fanbois will accept them.

And at this rate, Apple will have 7.2% of the worldwide computer market share in only 8 more years, in early 2018.

And they will acheive double-digit worldwide computer market share somewhere around 2021. By 2030, Macs will dominate with almost a quarter of the worldwide computer market. And at this rate, they will hit critical mass sometime before we all die in the middle of the century.

Windows is shaking in its boots (that is, if the BSOD will even LET you boot!) (LOLOL)
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yes, those are the facts, not that the fanbois will accept them.

And at this rate, Apple will have 7.2% of the worldwide computer market share in only 8 more years, in early 2018.

And they will acheive double-digit worldwide computer market share somewhere around 2021. By 2030, Macs will dominate with almost a quarter of the worldwide computer market. And at this rate, they will hit critical mass sometime before we all die in the middle of the century.

Windows is shaking in its boots (that is, if the BSOD will even LET you boot!) (LOLOL)

I think those numbers are pretty impossible with their current Mac business model. By 2030 how many PCs will be sold a year? Aren't their like 350M PCs being sold each year right now?so in 20 years can we expect at least a tripling at current growth making Apple having to sell 25% of over 1B units? I fail to see any way Apple can sell 1 out of every 4 PCs in the world with their business model.

Even if Apple can get HP's PC market share there would still 75% of the OS market not going to Apple. At this point Windows is the only real option, though Chrome OS has potential of quickly taking the abundant low end of te market.
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I think those numbers are pretty impossible with their current Mac business model.

Even if Apple can get HP's PC market share there would still 75% of the OS market not going to Apple. At this point Windows is the only real option, though Chrome OS has potential of quickly taking the abundant low end of te market.

Facts are facts. And mark my words, the Mac will be a viable platform by mid-century. Those are the facts. Read them and weep.
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Facts are facts. And mark my words, the Mac will be a viable platform by mid-century. Those are the facts. Read them and weep.

One of your new year's resolutions should be looking up the word 'fact'.
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If we look at the real uptick in Mac sales it looks like it occured right when Apple made the shift to Intel and had the option of installing Windows which gave an out for those who didn't like or couldn't use Mac OS X, for whatever reason.

That's because a Mac can run Windows better than any Windows machine.

Lots and lots of people are buying Macs just to run Windows on them, because they don't like or can't use MacOS. That's why the Mac worldwide computer market share just keeps doubling and doubling.
post #67 of 161
Yeah, declaring a future prediction a fact.

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One of your new year's resolutions should be looking up the word 'fact'.
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Originally Posted by lender30 View Post

Chrome deserves their market share because they have been putting more effort in improving their browser. Safari just fizzled after their previous major release.

yes but where did google get their "inspiration" for chrome???

i wanted to like chrome but scrolling is not good, the addon that is supposed to help it, doesn't work well...it's a little bit inefficient with memory usage...and the tab text looks aliased...

i wished safari would add skin support, that's the only thing i like about chrome...the rest? no thanks...
post #69 of 161
You need to take a look at SurfinSafari . You will see the effort that goes into webkit/Safari, which is the basis of Chrome.

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Chrome deserves their market share because they have been putting more effort in improving their browser. Safari just fizzled after their previous major release.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If we look at the real uptick in Mac sales it looks like it occured right when Apple made the shift to Intel and had the option of installing Windows which gave an out for those who didn't like or couldn't use Mac OS X, for whatever reason.

That's not strictly true Sol. Apple managed to halt the decline in Mac sales back in 2004. (and they even gained back a tiny fraction of market share.)

In 2005, Mac sales increased by over 35%. In 2006, when most of the Intel models were introduced, the growth dropped to 19%..... and then back up to 37% in 2007.

I agree, the ability to run Windows on a Mac is a deal breaker... but only for a dwindling amount of people. Intel on the Mac gave Apple the ability to produce performance competitive laptops. I think that "faster and cooler" was more important then "Runs Windows too".

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There were also Get A Mac ads which would help get people into Apple Stores (though the location and setup was likely reason enough if you were walking by) where many people could get their hands on a Mac for a first time.

Absolutely agree, however the halo effect would never have worked in isolation. Good products need great marketing coupled with strong distribution.

Here's a thought! Every story I read about the Apple Stores always seems to say how busy they are. How busy would they be (and how many stores would have been built?) if all you could buy was, maybe one of a dozen computers... and associated software and peripherals?

The iPod and it's large ecosystem built the traffic to the stores. Halo Effect!


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After that word of mouth would have picked up from increased users giving a positive review. I don't don't some people used an MP3 player and decided to get a Nac but Id wager a great many more were influenced by direct Mac, changes, advertising and interaction, not from a pocketable PMP.

Sure. But the iPod wasn't just a PMP. It came with iTunes.... installed on your PC! And it all just worked... and provided people with the best 'digital music experience' yet. Every visit to iTunes was an advertisement for Apple. Every visit to an Apple Store was an ad for the Mac. Any PC using, iPod owning gadget guy/girl.... was now following Apple news on the web. Halo Effect!

Essentially Sol, I agree with you. I just get a bit pissed after reading 5 years of tech stories negating the effect of the iPod on Apple's Mac business. Mostly based on market share (as you mentioned) and mostly written by people who predicted the iPod would be a flop.

This time next year, there will probably be around 50 million Mac users. That effectively means more (relatively) recent switchers than long time Mac nuts. Whatever their reasons I bet a large number of newbies will have owned an iPod or iPhone, or have used iTunes.
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This one.

XP looks like it belongs in a pre-school someplace.


Your not going to defend XP now are you?

I'm not interested in a "my OS is better than your OS" pissing contest. You said Windows in your original post and not XP. You do know your a couple MS OS's behind, right?
post #72 of 161
You are totally wrong, in 10 years there won't be any PC's everyone will be using iPhone's instead, they will dock with a keyboard and screen if necessary and will be more powerful than today's PC's.

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Yes, those are the facts, not that the fanbois will accept them.

And at this rate, Apple will have 7.2% of the worldwide computer market share in only 8 more years, in early 2018.

And they will acheive double-digit worldwide computer market share somewhere around 2021. By 2030, Macs will dominate with almost a quarter of the worldwide computer market. And at this rate, they will hit critical mass sometime before we all die in the middle of the century.

Windows is shaking in its boots (that is, if the BSOD will even LET you boot!) (LOLOL)
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And at this rate, Apple will have 7.2% of the worldwide computer market share in only 8 more years, in early 2018.

And they will acheive double-digit worldwide computer market share somewhere around 2021. By 2030,

Ironic that you should pick those two figures.

If the Mac was to reach 7+% market share then Apple would probably be making more money from computers than today's market leader (on 19%) HP.

And if the Mac were to grab double digits (even low double digits.. 12... 13) Apple would potentially be making even more money than Microsoft.

iGuess that's not what you meant though.


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And mark my words, the Mac will be a viable platform by mid-century.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a 14 billion dollar Mac business IS a viable platform.

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Those are the facts. Read them and weep.

Or just read them... and understand them.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You need to take a look at SurfinSafari . You will see the effort that goes into webkit/Safari, which is the basis of Chrome.

I agree with everything you said. WebKit was able to make it to the mobile platform well before other Mozilla could ready Gecko to be as efficient. Its no shock that Google choose WebKit as their engine.

However, I wonder if Lender30 was comparing the apps, not the engines in his comment. In that sense I can see where he is coming from, though I dont necessarily agree. Its taken Google a very long time to get an official Mac port that is still in beta, missing a lot of basic features and i dont think it yet has the desired Extensions feature many people seem to like.

I am an IE8 and Safari user since Extensions mean little to me and I like OS integration. I do have Chrome Frame always on in IE8 so i still get WebKit running in my IE8.


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Originally Posted by piot View Post

That's not strictly true Sol. Apple managed to halt the decline in Mac sales back in 2004. (and they even gained back a tiny fraction of market share.)

In 2005, Mac sales increased by over 35%. In 2006, when most of the Intel models were introduced, the growth dropped to 19%..... and then back up to 37% in 2007.

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Essentially Sol, I agree with you. I just get a bit pissed after reading 5 years of tech stories negating the effect of the iPod on Apple's Mac business. Mostly based on market share (as you mentioned) and mostly written by people who predicted the iPod would be a flop.

This time next year, there will probably be around 50 million Mac users. That effectively means more (relatively) recent switchers than long time Mac nuts. Whatever their reasons I bet a large number of newbies will have owned an iPod or iPhone, or have used iTunes.

My point was that the iPod didnt increase Mac interest, but that other factors had a more direct influence on the Mac sales. I do wonder if the 19% for the Intel may have been while the transition was in place, before the most popular system types had been completed. Either way, you may a strong argument for the iPods halo effect and I no data to back up my feelings so I concede to you.


PS: I never thought the iPod would be a flop but I admit having absolutely no interest in it until the iPod Mini came out. That is when, for me, it became a must have product.

PPS: Here is the iPod introduction from 2001. I dont think many, if any, in attendance understood what Jobs was so gaga about if you look at some of their facial expressions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs (video)
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I see what you saying but I don't think it's a big deal with double-clicking the tabs bar to create a new tab and the Add Tab tool bar option.

I didn't know you could double-click the tab bar to make a tab. That's cool. Ok that solves my frustrations there.

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Intrigued. Sort how?

I'd like to sort my lists of bookmarks. I have them organized in folders but there's no contextual menu option to sort the contents of the folders or the folders themselves. I swear there wasn't a way to do that in IE 7.0 (maybe 6.0) and below but IE 8.0 will sort the favorites list. My father-in-law had the same request and I told him most browser wouldn't do it. To my surprise as I was telling him this I found that IE 8.0 does.
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I didn't know you could double-click the tab bar to make a tab. That's cool. Ok that solves my frustrations there.

Thinking about the + button so far to the right, I think that it should be placed to the immediate right of the last tab. I dont think it breaks any convention and allowing for a single click over a double-click may not be a big deal but I do think it would better the browser ever so slightly.

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I'd like to sort my lists of bookmarks. I have them organized in folders but there's no contextual menu option to sort the contents of the folders or the folders themselves. I swear there wasn't a way to do that in IE 7.0 (maybe 6.0) and below but IE 8.0 will sort the favorites list. My father-in-law had the same request and I told him most browser wouldn't do it. To my surprise as I was telling him this I found that IE 8.0 does.

I think that bookmark system is very flawed. Id like to have a completely redesigned system with a single bookmarks being able to be in different folders. Id like Smart Bookmark Folders the way there are Smart Folders in AddressBook and Smart Playlists in iTunes.

Also, Id like to be able to add a bookmark to a default location and also how it up in a folder for bookmarks added within the last 30 days (right now I use a Temp folder). Id like one for SSL URLs, ones with certain words on the page (since the visual history already records this), and a way to see stats of when bookmarks were last used, and how often to help in keeping my bookmarks clean.

Finally, Id also like a way to have a centralized bookmark model where I can get same bookmark setup regardless of browser I use, but that seems unlikely for know as Apple and MS alike are trying to grow their default browser marketshare, not make it easier to pull away from it so well have to settle for 3rd-party browsers merely being able to leach Safari and IE bookmarks.
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You are once again missing the point of why Firefox is so successful. You have a base browser that you "have the choice" of making it look and give it any feature that you want.

Chrome as a base browser gives you the same minimalist start. Customize it as you please.

It's the Choice you are not pleased with or used to given your postings. Apple tells you it's this way or make another choice. You seem to be incapable of choosing for yourself.

On a side note. FJRabon, very good postings. It's nice to come back from a great vacation and read someone with intelligence in this forum rather than the usual suspects.

vacation
or banned ??

why put any one down at all
why be mean
<<read someone with intelligence in this forum rather than the usual suspects>>>
love baby
is what it s all about

as for the browers i always wondered why safari did so poorly
and now i see why
thank you

and fire fox is fast

peace and happy new year
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vacation
or banned ??

why put any one down at all
why be mean
<<read someone with intelligence in this forum rather than the usual suspects>>>
love baby
is what it s all about

as for the browers i always wondered why safari did so poorly
and now i see why
thank you

and fire fox is fast

peace and happy new year

We never really see i to i, but I must agree Bruce Peace and love is needed more. I thought me and Quadra610 were the only ones with this type of advocacy.... Maybe I was wrong?!

My name is bruce too BTW
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What's the point of trolling and lying at the same time?

iPod has been on the market for 8 years. Not 9.
Only 7.5 years... on the Windows side.
250 million sold. Not 210
The Mac's US market share is nearly 9%. Not 5%.

Around the launch of iPod for windows Apple had:
Around 20 million Mac users.
Annual Mac sales of just over 3 million.
Approx. 3% of the US computer market.
And 1.8% of the worldwide computer market.

Today:
Over 40 million Mac users.
Annual Mac sales of just nearly 11 million.
Nearly 9% of the US computer market.
And 3.6% of the worldwide computer market.

So in the iPod timeframe the relevant Mac stats have either doubled... or tripled.

That's not mythical. Just fact.


years? fine ok, may only be a few months but just to correct your other 'facts' before we get into the witless ramblings.

According to the last reported figures (Sept 2009) Apple had sold 220million (yes I was out by 10m) iPods. Figures reported by BBC and Wiki. I'm sure it'll be x million more now but I was going (or trying) to go by last reported figures. ok?

marketshare (as reported in this thread) was 5.11%.There is no specific context to it though so how when and why is debatable.

Worldwide Apple will sell approx 12m machines out of a TOTAL market of 280m (approx)
you do the math...

http://www.purchasing.com/article/27...ck_in_2010.php


the rest of the figures in your post mean nothing to the figures i quoted what they were/are when x was y or b = c is irrelevant.


so, in conclusion we can deduce that whilst Apple like to throw around words and phrases like record growth and xxx percent increase.

The truth is they have very little mindshare in computer hardware, even littler marketshare and their position of financial strength has come from profit per unit (or ripping off their loyal customers) and not from selling lots of high end machines.

There is no Halo affect that translates from PMP's to Computers. Arguably a bigger factor for Mac growth was Vista. A fact Apple readily acknowledges.

Apple has bet the farm on iPhone, might be a good bet, might not. Time will tell. Wonder if the discussion to stop selling computers has been started within Apple.?

Whatever Apple's good and bad points, as a viable truly mainstream OS they are as Ballmer stated... a rounding error.
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Yeah that come down to a difference in style and intent. Since Apple has not made Safari with intent of third party extensions. I couldn't agree its something they fizzled on. Its not something they find all that important.

I don't even think Apple's intent is to chase market share with Safari. I think Apple's primary goal for Safari is to push web standards for all browsers and that goal has been successful.

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However, I wonder if Lender30 was comparing the apps, not the engines in his comment. In that sense I can see where he is coming from, though I dont necessarily agree. Its taken Google a very long time to get an official Mac port that is still in beta, missing a lot of basic features and i dont think it yet has the desired Extensions feature many people seem to like.
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