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Gates had no way of knowing

Accidental Empires. Sure, he got lucky...but giving the character traits under his leadership he certainly made his own 'luck'. Like a T-Rex at a Zebra convention. Sure, Bill had no way of 'knowing'...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #162 of 166
...and let's not forget M$ getting away with absolute murder with the DoJ. A slap on the wrist for 'emboldened' behaviour. Fingers in the cookie jar? 'Slap', don't do it again...you nortee, nortee boy...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #163 of 166
Oh, back ON topic.

Was there a rumble? A murmur on the rik-ta scale? Cos I didn't hear it. Where's the hype? Where's this Apple iSlate killer? Vapour Courier didn't arrive...? Did Ste Ballmer say something funnee?

Shrugs? Where's the seismic announcement? Oh. Bits and pieces. eg M$ a doing a glorified 'Wii' controller? Halo gets 'another' installment? HP announce a tablet that will arrive when? At how much? Using what Os?

I aint feeling the love.

Still looking forward to Apple's announcement(s). The irritating 'me too' distractions of Google and M$ look like pleas from desperate attention seeking children. It's embarrassing for them.

Bit like yer dad showing he's still got 'the moves' at his daughter's wedding reception...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #164 of 166
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BTW, that "preemptive strike" against Apple at CES turns out to be some 7"-10" tablets running Windows 7, Linux and Android. Same sort of stuff that hasn't sold very well in the past.

I doubt Apple is particularly alarmed.

Damp squib more like. Laughably points out how desperately, creatively bankrupt their 'wait and copy' their model is. Where's the innovation? The paradigm shift? As soon as Apple lets loose? Wait for the 'me too' products, Google included (spits, how over rated Google are...wit their 'me too' phone.)

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #165 of 166
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss
I "actually know" computer history

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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss
No. You are long, but you are wrong.

Two of my favourite quotes. (Rolling about laughing.) Keep 'em coming, Doc'. Right now? Me? I'm reading a book of how to be self important...for Dummies of course...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #166 of 166
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

He didn't need to. He already had a vision of selling his OS to multiple manufacturers which is why he retained the rights to do so.

Which is why when Microsoft was first approached by Toshiba to do one, Microsoft said no. Full and legal compatibility was the key. Companies like Columbia and Eagle which tried to simply copy IBM's code were hauled into court, where they lost. Does illegal copying count as first-ness? I don't think so.

The real breakthrough was from Compaq. They were the first to figure out how to reverse engineer the ROM-BIOS without violating IBM's copyrights. Phoenix was next, and arguably more important, since they sold their ROM-BIOS chips to all takers.

The simple fact remains that IBM had every intention of retaining control of the PC hardware platform, which is why it didn't matter to them if Microsoft retained the rights to DOS. They even widely published their BIOS code and made copies available for free, in order to make it more difficult to find programmers who could attest in writing that they'd never seen it. It's easy to claim today, with the benefit of perfect hindsight, that reverse engineering the BIOS was obvious. Clearly it wasn't so obvious then, because IBM planned on retaining control that way. And it required a large investment of time and money from Compaq to work around IBM's roadblocks, so it was hardly a trivial exercise.

As I've already said, IBM's handling of the development of the PC from the start was a blunder, which they compounded over time. They tried to get it done all too quickly (for IBM, anyway) and failed to take the project as seriously as they should have done, or would have done if they'd really understood the desktop computer market. The PC was conceived as a rear-guard action to protect what they regarded as their real business, the big iron.

The point is, nobody anticipated the legal cloning of the IBM-PC, or its impact, until after it was happening. It was the ability of dozens of companies to crank out hardware that could be called "IBM compatible" without actually being from IBM that legitimized the PC industry. It was a quirk of history -- an important quirk, and one that benefited Microsoft hugely. But it was not someone's plan.

As for the effects of this on the evolution of the industry, that's a matter of opinion. Mine is that it was very harmful, that a more natural progression involving competition between platforms would have advanced the technology more quickly. I believe this, because this is precisely how progress is made in every other industry we could possibly mention, and I don't see computers as being some great exception to the rule. If you're going to argue that something is so completely exceptional, then you need a pretty exceptional set of supporting facts to back it up. Simply saying, in effect, "because it happened that way" is not enough.

Sources: Gates, by Manes & Andrews; Hard Drive, by Wallace & Erickson; Accidental Empires, by Cringely.
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