[quote]So you're a conservative Republican, right? But you want less local taxes and more federal taxes?
BTW, what ed proposal are you talking about? Can you provide a link? If it's the Kennedy-Bush agreement, Kennedy basically rolled Bush. Bush didn't get most of the reforms he wanted, but Kennedy got basically everything he wanted. <hr></blockquote>
ummm...no. Government spending is out of control on domestic policy. We need cuts in social programs that are going unused....and believe you me, they are out there. Not all to be sure, but many. This will result in more money available for other things, like education. In other words, CUT THE PORK and FAT.
I am talking about the proposed budget for FY2002-2003. Check a news site or maybe the whitehouse site....you can download it. The reading excellence program increase is about 71% from 2001.
[quote]how so? the only thing they have aided in is research with cd-rom encylopedias and the internet and even at that it has come at the cost of student's reliing only on computer resources for research and not knowing traditional ways of research. <hr></blockquote>
I understand what you are saying. But, I disagree that the only thing they are good for is CD-ROM encylopedias and internet research. There are lots of great math and literature programs. And, for students with certain types of LD, the computers DO assist in writing. I know because my wife is a language arts teacher in a highly respected school that specializes in high intelligence, but learning disabled kids. They benefit enormously! It seems to help with thought organization and eliminates handwriting issues....though I agree they still need to learn how to write! And I don't know about you, but I find the spell checker actually improves my spelling!
[quote]It's too bad that this 'increase' is focussed around giving vouchers for private schools. The money isn't going to public schools, but private schools as well. <hr></blockquote>
You have about zero support for that statement. You just listened to what Bush said and then started drawing conclusions based on what he said he wanted. I am talking about the budget proposal here, not the education reform bill. And, I'm pretty sure the vouchers didn't make it through that bill anyway. In any case, why should a poor family (the people you claim to care about) be forced to send their child to a failing school just because of where they live? And as a teacher, I can tell you that there is no way in hell this will destroy public schools. We need a long term solution, but vouchers are a great idea for now.
[quote] Looks like those "tax and spend" Republicans are at it again! <hr></blockquote>
Yep! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[quote] Explain to me where all this money is comming from. First Bush does a 1.2 or so Trillion tax cut. So my parents can get a lousy $250 in the mail. Wow. Then Bush wants to sevearly increase military spending, and he is pushing for more tax cuts, and now he wants to throw money at schools which does nothing for the education system. Trust me im in the thick of it. <hr></blockquote>
1) 1.2 trillion is miniscule over 10 years. Miniscule! It wasn't big ENOUGH.
2) Your parents should have gotten more if they filed jointly. They had to make enough money, but I assume we are talking a middle class income. Let me ask you, how come my in laws, who make upwards of 100K a year, got only $600 when I ALSO got $600 for my wife and me? We make about HALF that! Is that fair? They paid three times the taxes I did! Why do they get less? In addition, you knwo the rebate idea was a DEMOCRATIC one, don't you? Well, of course it was! Who else would give the same amount of money to two groups, one paying "X" in taxes and the other paying "X*3" in taxes?....yeah, that's fair.
2) Military? Since Clinton cut us back to near Carter-like levels (a full 30% reduction over his term), I would say we need to fix that. I know folks in the military... and their pay increase will be needed and deserved. You have no idea the morale problems that existed when Clinton was around. Because of the cutbacks, our pilots were not even able to fly the minumum number of combat training hours needed. We had training locations running out of ammunition. We have to constantly prepare for a possible war....that is a fact of life. Once one starts, it is too late. And, if Clinton and his crew somehow convinced you the world was getting more peaceful, think again. It is getting worse, not better.
3) Schools ---OMFG! The number one thing Bush says he DOESN"T want to do is throw money at schools. That is what Clinton did!!!!!
Read my first post in the thread.....I knew someone would say this! First, the media tried to portray him as not wanting enough money (during the campaign), now, after proposing a revoutionary national standards system coupled with MORE money, people are syaing that he wants to just "throw money" at the problem. WTF????
I knew this thread would be too much bait for the liberals to stay away from. You just cannot accept that our government is too big, we need the strongest military in the world, and that tax cuts INCREASE revenue over time, not decrease it! You also cannot accept that affirmitave action is inherently racist, the governemnt does not have the right to take 40% of your income every week (and that is just federal taxes!), and government cannot solve every problem.
You see things through a filter. Wake up.
Oh wait...I forgot:
[quote]BTW, welcome to the first budget in 5 years in the red. <hr></blockquote>
1. This is due to the economic downturn and the loss of revenue associated with it.
2. The government shoudl't be allowed to run a surplus. It should be illegal.
3. Clinton DID accomplish the balanced budget, along with the Republican controlled house. But, he did it with the largest tax increase since WWII. Federal spending increased by some 9-13% a year under him. Bush is porposing a 3.7% increase. I wonder what the problem is here? Moron.
4. The federal budget should DECREASE. I don't think Bush went far enough. I would say we need a 10% DECREASE!!!! The government is too goddamn big and wasteful.
I simply can't believe you people. Somehow the Demos have convinced you tax cuts are a bad thing! OMFG!!! Taxes need to go down MUCH more....I say we need another 50% across the board.
Move to Canada or Great Britian while you're at it. You'd be happy there.
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