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Nokia has filed a another lawsuit against Apple, with a new federal complaint that alleges the Cupertino, Calif., company has infringed on several "implementation patents," the same cited in an ITC suit filed last week.

Filed in a federal court in Delaware, the complaint alleges that a number of Apple's products have violated patents owned by Nokia. Specifically named in the suit are the iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch, iPod nano, iPod classic, iMac, Mac Pro, Mac mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.

Patents owned by Nokia named in the suit are "VCO with Programmable Output Power," issued in 2004; "Mobile Communication Device and Related Construction Method," issued in 2004; "Optimized Camera Sensor Architecture for a Mobile Telephone," granted in 2005; "Communications Device with Touch Sensitive Screen," from 2003; "Mobile Station with Touch Input Having Automatic Symbol Magnification Function," issued in 2000; "Utilizing the Contents of a Message," granted in 2001; and "User Interface Device," from 2005.

The complaint filed last week is the third from Nokia against Apple. Also last week, a lawsuit was filed with the U.S. International Trade Commission in which it has asked that imports of Apple products -- including the iPhone, iPods, and MacBooks -- be banned.

The ITC complaint accuses Apple of treading on seven distinct patents applying to user interface, camera, antenna and power management. The ITC suit covers the same patents included in the Delaware federal suit.

In October, Nokia first sued Apple over the use of patented wireless standards. The lawsuit alleged that Apple infringes on GSM and wireless LAN related patents owned by Nokia with the iPhone.

In December, Apple countersued Nokia, alleging that the Finnish company infringed on 13 patents. Apple also accused Nokia of attempting to obtain more money from it than other companies, plus rights to Apple's intellectual property.

As Nokia has lost market share to competitors Apple and Research in Motion, the market leader has fought back and hopes to maintain its position atop the cell phone business. This week, Rick Simonson, Nokia's executive vice president, spoke with India's The Economic Times and said his company hopes to be "at par" with Apple and RIM in smartphone sales by 2011.

"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."
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*yawn*

How about making a phone people actually want, Nokia?
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*yawn*

how about making a phone people actually want, nokia?

exactly!!!!
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This week, Rick Simonson, Nokia's executive vice president, spoke with India's The Economic Times and said his company hopes to be "at par" with Apple and RIM in smartphone sales by 2011.

"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."





Nokia's strategy:

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NOKIA: It's my ball and the game is over!
APPLE: It's my playing field. Screw you and your ball!
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This week, Rick Simonson, Nokia's executive vice president, spoke with India's The Economic Times and said his company hopes to be "at par" with Apple and RIM in smartphone sales by 2011.

"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."





Nokia's strategy:


post #7 of 86
Another bunch of frivolous lawsuits that try to decrease Apple PR and win some lunch change.
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As Nokia has lost market share to competitors Apple and Research in Motion, the market leader has fought back and hopes to maintain its position atop the cell phone business. This week, Rick Simonson, Nokia's executive vice president, spoke with India's The Economic Times and said his company hopes to be "at par" with Apple and RIM in smartphone sales by 2011.

"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."

This is really laughable because it seems like they think they're doing something over the top, and beyond the other cell phone manufacturers because they aren't just doing calls and email.
I'm not sure what they're thinking, but it seems they've completely missed what the iPhone and all other act-a-likes are: not a phone with extended abilities, but a mini-computer with phone capabilities. Everyone else has been doing the "more" thing now for over a year. While I really like their N97 (it has about everything everyone yelled the iPhone didn't have), the interface and web browser, not to mention app lack just makes me want to hackintosh it and have a really cool iPhone competitor.
They just kind of seem to have missed the whole ball of wax.
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i wonder if this doubling up is due to Nokia finding out that since Apple is a US based company the ITC isn't as likely to ban shipments from a foreign supplier to the company (thus making them available for sale in the US).

or maybe their case is so thin they want to try a Psystar and hope they get different opinions from different folks. which will then raise the question, who has the higher power, the courts or the ITC. could a court win by Apple override a win with the ITC by Nokia.

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"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."

Really? That's awesome. I think I'll drop my iPhone and jump ship. This guy's a visionary. One smart smartypants.
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if I can just patent on a cocktail napkin, a crudely drawn perpetual motion machine and never actually build one and one day in the future when someone does say....You infringed on my perpetual motion machine patent...

might as well be a "Mobile Communication Device and Related Construction Method"

or "Mobile Station with Touch Input Having Automatic Symbol Magnification Function"

if you just going to construe a series of words together that imply a future technology that has yet to be constructed other than in a form of a cocktail napkin, then I am patenting my

"Magnetic elevating transportation vehicle with cruise-control" (cause you gotta have it) or

"nuclear-powered back scratcher with alarm-clock interface set to (heh) atomic time"
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Really? That's awesome. I think I'll drop my iPhone and jump ship. This guy's a visionary. One smart smartypants.

he wants the nokia to be an iphone too....
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"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."

Wow, who could imagine all that on a phone? Curious what the several other features referred to are - probably top secret.

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post #14 of 86
I think the Nokia CEO must have a reminder configured on his desktop. It's Monday, time to throw another lawsuit at Apple. Soon or later, something must stick.
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Nokia isn't known for frivelous lawsuits, so I am starting to get curious. Does anybody know the breakdown of where the money goes for the $50 in IP licenses per iPhone sold?

Also, how can Nokia single out Apple-- they can't be cross-licensing with RIM (push messaging would be a clear win for Nokia), and it is hard to believe Palm and Motorola could produce phones with the same ASP, similar margins, and be paying more in royalties.
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Wow, who could imagine all that on a phone? Curious what the several other features referred to are - probably top secret.

Those other features will be whatever Apple introduces in iPhone OS 4.0.

More seriously, they are "top secret" as the things he mentions outright are things that are already on most phones. One of these other features is very likely a more integrated location-based awareness (LBA) across all aspects of the phone - after all, Nokia bought Navteq (which may or may not have led to Google dropping Navteq data for its own data in its maps). And LBA is what I fully expect Apple to have well-integrated in the rumored tablet, the next iPhone OS, and to a lesser degree, in Mac OS. And I expect the same from Google in Android.
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post #17 of 86
Apple has what, 25 billion in cash on hand?
Nokia has a market cap of what, 45 billion?

Looks like the situation can resolve itself with a purchase of some stock.
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if you just going to construe a series of words together that imply a future technology that has yet to be constructed other than in a form of a cocktail napkin, then I am patenting my

You realize a patent is significantly longer than its title...?
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if I can just patent on a cocktail napkin, a crudely drawn perpetual motion machine and never actually build one and one day in the future when someone does say....You infringed on my perpetual motion machine patent...

A perpetual motion machine is one of the few things you can not patent...
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with a drunk Finn. They're crazy!
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Hey, remember all those dark, hidden, powerful "unnamed" forces that were allegedly propping-up behind the whole Psystar lawsuits against Apple thing?

Looks like now that the Psystar thing has gone down the tubes, they have come up with a new tact.
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How about making a phone people actually want, Nokia?

Nokia sells over a million phones a day and over a million smartphones every five days.

Either they're already making phones that people actually want or there's an incredible number of people with more money than sense on this planet.
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You realize a patent is significantly longer than its title...?

and whether on paper, pdf, blueprints or cocktails napkins...its all theory

tho the fact that companies are patenting dna is quite disturbing...
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A perpetual motion machine is one of the few things you can not patent...

thats why i lead with it first..its snark
post #25 of 86
I guess Nokia is the next SCO.
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Yawn. Sounds like the market is really worried. Not.
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Apple has what, 25 billion in cash on hand?
Nokia has a market cap of what, 45 billion?

Looks like the situation can resolve itself with a purchase of some stock.

Won't be long until Nokia is worthless.
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In any case, Nokia is clearly ignoring Apple's past behavior of taking stupid patents and throwing them to the curb.
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I like my Newton with phone capabilities i.e. iPhone.

So Nokia patented some of the functions of the Newton 10 years after the fact.

It seems they also singlehandedly invented laptops and MP3 players.

The first phone with a camera was made by Sharp (Who also made Newton's)

Isn't there a small matter of "prior art"?

Perhaps it's time to take a look at Nokia's pricing strategies, anyone ever heard of "product dumping"?

Could it be that Nokia phone's are cheaper in the US than other places?

I'm sure this is something the ITC looks after.
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This is that happens when Nokia can't make a iPhone look alike that they can offer to the customers for free, shit hit's the fan. Nokia will die if they can't come up with something to compete with the iPhone, Palm Pre, Android, and the New Crackberries and oh yes it has to be free.
The bigger these Companies are the harder they fall. Apple has turn the cell phone market upside down, People ether want a iPhone or they want another Smartphone that looks like it and Nokia is not happy.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._decision.html

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OPTi reportedly dropped all of its original manufacturing and sales businesses in 2003 to concentrate on lawsuits.

Nokia's real future!
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I'm sorry but there is to be no more quoting of comments as this is not allowed under Nokia's patent, specifically "Utilizing the Contents of a Message," granted in 2001, you are also not allowed to read them as that is also "utilising" them.

I think the whole point of these suits is to get away from the "standards based" patents of the original suit and avoid the F/RAND issues.

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What a load of crap Nokia, Let your mobile devices speak for you ... not your lawyers.
You used to make great mobile phones which everyone wanted. Now look at how low you have to go to try and make an extra buck. Stop spending money on this type of bollocks and start spending money on better designers and engineers!
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NOKIA: It's my ball and the game is over!
APPLE: It's my playing field. Screw you and your ball!

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The only people I know that use those cheap crap Nokia phones, are senior citizens over age 60 that cant wrap their head around an iPhone.
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The only people I know that use those cheap crap Nokia phones, are senior citizens over age 60 that cant wrap their head around an iPhone.

i resent your age comment. just remember, "we only mock what we become." read that over a few times
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Wow, I think you just won the "Stupidist post of the decade" award
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Nokia sells over a million phones a day and over a million smartphones every five days.

Either they're already making phones that people actually want or there's an incredible number of people with more money than sense on this planet.

Two words: Cheap and free.

It's hard to fathom how every single one of Apple's products, which aren't (literally) technically different than counterpart products could infringe on Nokia patents. This is just a game of chest puffing. I can't see Apple backing down, though.
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NOKIA: It's my ball and the game is over!
APPLE: It's my playing field. Screw you and your ball!

Actually with Nokias part ownership of NSN, I think they own the field as well.
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