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The family room is also on it's way out, just like the centrally located TV.

I dont see signs of that. Sure, TVs are cheap enough that people have many in their home but sitting around the largest of them in a group instead of being alone in your room is still popular.

Even if you are correct you should read the term family room as a colloquial term to reference TVs in the home, not specifically a particular room. TVs will continue to get more connected to your home network and internet. I think well see a lot of this at CES this year.
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post #42 of 69
In response to Mactrippers posted pics a few things come to mind.
1-The Core Duo Chip listed is over $200 (US $) in bulk quantities.
2-It is widely rumored that Apple looked at using the Atom chip for Ultra Portable applications and decided it was to hot and power hungry. it is very unlikely that apple will use a core 2 duo in a ultra portable.
3-I am also skeptical that Apple would use a mechanical Hdd in a ultra portable. Yes it worked in the ipod but that was a small simple os that would cache several songs at once to keep the Hdd spun down as much as possible. As a boot drive a mechanical Hdd would be spun up far more often and would be more subject to damage from movement and would be very slow.
4-Basically these are the specs that would be used if Apple was going to create their own Modbook http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Modbook. If Apple were going to do that then they would have done so long ago as that is something they could build without even breaking a sweat.
5-I have no artistic talent and have never used photoshop but there is just something wrong with the way these documents look and IMHO they look very fake.
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post #43 of 69
what's this i just heard about apple working on a tablet computer?
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what's this i just heard about apple working on a tablet computer?

I must have missed it. Maybe the story was buried in with the thousands of stories about the next "Iphone Killer", hundreds of puff pieces on why AT&T's network suckage is not their fault, and last but not least are all the Stories that teh Steve is still doomed!

It's very easy to see how a little story about a tablet could be missed.
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post #45 of 69
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Originally Posted by Traqqer7777 View Post

Man I wish they would hold it sooner. The anticipation is killing me. Maybe they're tyring to squeeze every drop out of the hype machine they can. And that's without a single piece of direct advertising! I'm sure their stock will inch up higher than the high they've recently seen as indicated in the following article:

http://www.alltabletnews.com/2009/12...es-a-new-high/

This.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

i guess someone's parents didn't give them enough attention that they post this crap which doesn't even sound true

I can make that document up in 20 minutes, scan it and upload it.
post #47 of 69
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Originally Posted by mark2series View Post

The family room is also on it's way out, just like the centrally located TV.

Convergence of household spaces. Along with the tablet, Apple introduces the iHouse. One big room to use your iDevices in. All surfaces have inductive chargers built in.
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Man! It's coming in like a flood isn't it guys?

FUN......FUN!!!!
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i guess someone's parents didn't give them enough attention that they post this crap which doesn't even sound true

These images look like modified spec sheets from a MB or something. And "Clouded Leopard"? Sounds to me the author of this image is having Google Chrome OS envy...there's one thing the fanboys aren't going to be able to claim as an apple invention.
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Hope they release iPhone os 4.0 soon as I pay my iPhone developer account for 99 dollars so as to get beta !!
post #52 of 69
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

on a more serious note, what if all the iPhone apps were cross platform, say, Mac and Apple TV? Wouldn't that be an interesting announcement? Most apps would suck, but...

I'd like to see something like that.

A deliberate encouragement of app development cross platform - iPhone, iSlate, Mac (Dashboard?), AppleTV.

Apparently Dashboard development (on DashCode) is web based, and has been expanded to allow development of web-apps for the iPhone. Not sure how well that works.
post #53 of 69
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Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post

New 1080p Apple TV (maybe even with apps and an sdk)

I'd imagine that the new Apple TV will be moving to an ARM based design (hopefully the PA Semi design at a high clock) to cut the cost and improve performance over the old Apple TV design.

In that case, it would only need a "Cocoa TV" API (remote control instead of touch) instead of Cocoa Touch and you'd have an application platform for the Apple TV (2010).

Bluetooth will be included this time so that the iPhone and iPod Touch can be used directly as controllers for the Apple TV, as well as wireless keyboards, etc, for an Apple TV web browser.

iPhone Apps should be easily ported. Games especially so, bluetooth controller aside. It's possible that the iPhone SDK 4.0 may also include Apple TV app support besides support for higher resolutions and other things for platform convergence.

If the PA Semi ARM design is indeed a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 with Imagination Tech SGX543 graphics then you'll have significantly more power than a Nintendo Wii, but not as much as a PS3/360. Should suffice for most uses, and with 1GB RAM at least there will be some advantages.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

That was cool, thanks, didn't even know such a animal existed.

Clouded Leopard > cloud computing.

sounds good and a good name if true.

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Especially if they have their data center built and really are focusing a lot more on the cloud. I didnt think that was a real animal.

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Interesting. Quick Google shows that

1-- There actually is a species of cat called "clouded leopard"
2-- Its closest relative is the Snow Leopard, and (didn't actually need Google for this)
3-- It's a name that obviously alludes to the "cloud", which would be a natural evolution for OS X (more hooks to cloud based services, etc.)

So I could actually see that as an internal designation, although it doesn't quite work for a consumer release (clouded isn't really and adjective you want associated with your OS), although "Cloud Leopard", a very recently discovered type of Leopard, might.
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post #55 of 69
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Originally Posted by Traqqer7777 View Post

Man I wish they would hold it sooner.

1. Apple hasn't announced that they are holding anything.
2. assuming they are, perhaps that was the earliest available date

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

The notebook will, in time, give way to the Tablet,

or not. the strongest and most logic rumors are that this Tablet is an iphone device, not a computer one. So it will not likely have the power and function of a full notebook (think netbook instead). The White Macbook model might drop off the lineup, but the other notebooks will be around for a while.

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Also... a new SDK introduced at an event like this? I don't think so.

I think very much so. Introduced doesn't mean that they won't have a second event. Or perhaps the changes aren't really that huge. A new simulator isn't really cause to have a whole new event. Especially if one was already doing apps for the phone/touch. So this 'introduction' could be as simple as saying there will be one and when folks can start using it. with a few of the details of what to expect

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post #56 of 69
Would they really kill the white Macbook, 2 1/2 months into its life as the unibody model, to make way for this tablet??
post #57 of 69
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Would they really kill the white Macbook, 2 1/2 months into its life as the unibody model, to make way for this tablet??

Very unlikely, but the tablet may steal of its market, or so the thinking goes.
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post #58 of 69
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I'd imagine that the new Apple TV will be moving to an ARM based design (hopefully the PA Semi design at a high clock) to cut the cost and improve performance over the old Apple TV design.

In that case, it would only need a "Cocoa TV" API (remote control instead of touch) instead of Cocoa Touch and you'd have an application platform for the Apple TV (2010).

Bluetooth will be included this time so that the iPhone and iPod Touch can be used directly as controllers for the Apple TV, as well as wireless keyboards, etc, for an Apple TV web browser.

iPhone Apps should be easily ported. Games especially so, bluetooth controller aside. It's possible that the iPhone SDK 4.0 may also include Apple TV app support besides support for higher resolutions and other things for platform convergence.

If the PA Semi ARM design is indeed a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 with Imagination Tech SGX543 graphics then you'll have significantly more power than a Nintendo Wii, but not as much as a PS3/360. Should suffice for most uses, and with 1GB RAM at least there will be some advantages.

Thanks for the insight, one can only hope.
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post #59 of 69
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Would they really kill the white Macbook, 2 1/2 months into its life as the unibody model, to make way for this tablet??

My guess is the tablet is intended for users who simply don't demand the features of a full desktop experience.

That said, I think a lot of kids who just want to watch movies, and browse the web and do Facebook, currently buy the white MacBook.

So Apple could lose some white Macbook sales as a result. But if the profit margins on the tablet are good, Apple won't lose a penny.

I think it is very likely that the tablet will ship with a built-in cellular modem. If tablet-buyers take out a wireless broadband contract - they will get a subsidy discount.

C.
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Ahem:

Youre 8 months ahead of me.. which means Im catching up.
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Ahem:

But aren't Cloud Leopards a dying species?
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post #62 of 69
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But aren't Cloud Leopards a dying species?

Well, as far as that goes, Leopards are a dying species.
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post #63 of 69
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I know something like that probably wont happen, but I do feel that this is the year that Apple will get serious about video and invading the living room. It would make sense to announce those products before the tablet steals all the thunder. One can dream anyway.

serious about video? You mean like actually writing graphic drivers that don't completely suck for Snow Leopard? Maybe make video cards perform more then 30% of their potential?
Or how about a display that doesn't double as a mirror?

Apple is as serious about video as Exxon is about the environment.
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Apple has thrown in the towel when it comes to video it seems, leaving a swath of professionals and gamers in limbo with new computers and no reasonable video solution.
More and more of my peers are switching to windows for this reason.

So Apple had better come up with some cool gizmo's and gadgets and computers for dummies, because it's more in competition with Sony for the consumer market, then it is with Microsoft for the business market.
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serious about video? You mean like actually writing graphic drivers that don't completely suck for Snow Leopard? Maybe make video cards perform more then 30% of their potential?
Or how about a display that doesn't double as a mirror?

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Apple has thrown in the towel when it comes to video it seems, leaving a swath of professionals and gamers in limbo with new computers and no reasonable video solution.
More and more of my peers are switching to windows for this reason.

So Apple had better come up with some cool gizmo's and gadgets and computers for dummies, because it's more in competition with Sony for the consumer market, then it is with Microsoft for the business market.

Seems like your mixing a couple of things here-- certainly for "gamers" a PC is a better choice, but as is commonly noted, PC gaming has been fading away in favor of dedicated consoles for quite a while, so I don't think there's a large market that Apple is ignoring at their peril, on that count.

"Video" is either playback or editing. 1080p HD is about as demanding as it gets for playback, currently, and Macs can handle that fine, so can't see where offering more powerful video cards would help there.

Editing isn't really about the graphics, and I'm not aware of video pros leaving the Mac platform in disgust because of underperforming cards, so.....

OTOH, all kinds of new tech, Apple's among them, are leveraging the power of modern video cards for general computing, so certainly better options on that count couldn't hurt.
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You know that mode in the Finder - column mode - where you see multiple folders listings side by side? I wonder if the Tablet could run certain iPhone apps this way?
If the app uses a NavigationController, it could be presented this way, with multiple screen viewable at once.
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You know that mode in the Finder - column mode - where you see multiple folders listings side by side? I wonder if the Tablet could run certain iPhone apps this way?
If the app uses a NavigationController, it could be presented this way, with multiple screen viewable at once.

I think a touch based column view finder would be pretty useful, but I suspect Apple intends to make a break with the "Finder" paradigm with their tablet. The iPhone makes pretty strenuous efforts to suppress the whole idea of a "file system", in favor of a "services" style of file manipulation (send to mail, copy to camera roll, etc.).

Apple may give us a device that focuses on a number of typical use-cases, with specific gestures for the most common ways files get moved/copied/duplicated/found. If so, they'll of course be excoriated for making a "crippled" machine, but at the same time they could end up doing to "tablets" what they did to "smart phones"-- turing them into things that average people suddenly decide they like, want and need.
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I think a touch based column view finder would be pretty useful, but I suspect Apple intends to make a break with the "Finder" paradigm with their tablet. The iPhone makes pretty strenuous efforts to suppress the whole idea of a "file system", in favor of a "services" style of file manipulation (send to mail, copy to camera roll, etc.).

I agree, but I wasn't talking about directories or filesystems, I was talking about iPhone app screens. Like in the iPod mode where you navigate from artist to album to song and each level scrolls off the left and is replaced by the new one - on a tablet there would be enough room to have all the levels/screens on the screen at once.

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Apple may give us a device that focuses on a number of typical use-cases, with specific gestures for the most common ways files get moved/copied/duplicated/found. If so, they'll of course be excoriated for making a "crippled" machine, but at the same time they could end up doing to "tablets" what they did to "smart phones"-- turing them into things that average people suddenly decide they like, want and need.

This is absolutely right. Apple likes to make simple products, but back in 1984, people didn't know what computers would ultimately be used for, so the simplest you could do still had to be very general (windows, menus, pointers etc are very general purpose). But today, there is 25 years of evidence of what people actually use them for, so it is possible to build dedicated devices.

The only place where generality is needed to the same degree as in 1984 is in the office, since every company seems to have (in addition to the usual productivity apps) one app of their own which is their company's value add.
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Apple may give us a device that focuses on a number of typical use-cases, with specific gestures for the most common .....

Presuming they have an amazing new interaction method, it would seem to be a necessity to pick a few basic new interaction techniques and use them pervasively to get people familiar with the system. A tutorial may help things along, but only a small way.

That would mean showcasing key gestures in the main interface and in the major Apple apps. Mail, Calendar, iTunes, iPod need to show the new way - even if the 'old' iPhone way works too.
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Rumored Apple's promises to hand iPhone simulator to developers soon may also mean the "boot camp/rosetta" for ARM applications is born in the abyss of studios at Apple and is now surfacing.

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