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As expected, customers can purchase a contract-free, unlocked Nexus One smartphone direct from Google for $529, or buy a subsidized handset through carrier T-Mobile for $179, the search giant announced Tuesday.

Through the Google Web store, customers will be able to buy a phone without service, or with service through a partner. Phones with a service contract will be offered at a subsidized, less expensive price. As of Tuesday, customers can purchase a phone only with T-Mobile, though that will soon change.

Google also plans to offer more Android-based devices to its online store in the future, for other carriers like Verizon Wireless (in the U.S.) and Vodafone (in Europe). The Nexus One will be available on both carriers in Spring 2010.

The Web site google.com/phone went live immediately following Tuesday's press conference. There, users can now purchase the Nexus One for T-Mobile U.S., or unlocked. Options for Verizon and Vodafone are grayed out, though those who "can't wait" for the Nexus One on Verizon are directed to a promotional Web site for the Motorola Droid.

Beyond that, more operators, countries and Android-based devices are planned to be sold from Google's online store. But Tuesday, most of the focus was on the company's custom-built handset.

Google worked closely with hardware maker HTC to design the Nexus One, which features a 3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen. Though the phone can be purchased unsubsidized and unlocked through Google, the current GSM handset is only compatible with T-Mobile and AT&T in the U.S., and its 3G chip is not compatible with AT&T's high-speed wireless data network. A CDMA Verizon phone is due for a Spring 2010 release.



With the tagline "Web meets phone," the official unveiling of the Nexus One Tuesday brought to an end months of rumors that Google would release its own custom-built Android phone in early 2010. Those reports gained steam in December when the company issued unlocked GSM Nexus One phones to its employees.

The HTC-built device has a 1GHz Snapdragon CPU and 512MB of ROM and 512MB of RAM. It has a compass, GPS, light and proximity sensors, an accelerometer, and a 5-megapixel camera with LED flash. It also features an additional microphone on the back for noise cancellation. Google boasted that the handset is no thicker than a number two pencil, and no heavier than a Swiss Army knife.

Much like Apple users have been able to do with iPods for years, the Nexus One can also be custom engraved on the back for personalization.

The touchscreen device has no physical keyboard, only virtual, but offers a voice-to-text feature that allows users to dictate aloud for any text field on the device. The handset runs the unreleased Android 2.1 operating system, which has new home screen visual enhancements like animated and interactive desktop wallpaper. One early review noted that while the handset is a decent smartphone, it is not an "iPhone killer." Unlike the iPhone, it does not have multi-touch.



At its event Tuesday, Google highlighted the news and location-aware weather widgets from Android 2.1. It also demonstrated an animated wallpaper that allowed users to make ripples on water with their finger.

In an effort to calm some concerns that Google would be competing with its partners in the Android Open Handset Alliance, the Mountain View, Calif., company highlighted 13 new members that have joined the alliance Tuesday. The total number of OHA members is currently 52. In all, there are more than 20 Android devices on 59 carriers in 48 countries.

Google officials said they will focus on specific projects with partners, such as the Motorola Droid, to encourage innovation in the marketplace.

The availability of the Nexus One first on T-Mobile signifies the ongoing partnership between the nation's fourth-largest wireless carrier and Google. The first Android phone, the T-Mobile G1, debuted in Oct. 2008 with a $179 price tag.

Since the G1 debuted the Android platform, it has expanded to numerous devices, most notably the Motorola Droid. The Verizon-only handset launched in November to favorable reviews.

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This should be interesting.
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That does sound like a very good phone for the money. The only thing that now keeps Apple ahead is the ecosystem that it has with and around the iPhone (incl. iTunes, OSX, AppleTV etc). The 4th gen version had better be really good.

Incidentally, I think that 'multitouch,' while nice, is over-rated. I don't think it will be a continued source of competitive advantage for Apple.
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Looks like I'll probably give my money to Google this round. Can't wait for Apple to get out of it's lousy contract anymore.

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Looks like I'll probably give my money to Google this round. Can't wait for Apple to get out of it's lousy contract anymore.

So you are saying you prefer T-Mobile coverage to AT&T's or is it just price? Because Verizon wouldn't be any cheaper if they had an iPhone. And of course there would be the simultaneous data & voice issue which may not be that big of a deal. My friend has a G1 on TM and the coverage is pretty poor except when in the city. In rural areas there is no signal apparently.

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Looks like I'll probably give my money to Google this round. Can't wait for Apple to get out of it's lousy contract anymore.

'This round'???
What do you guys do... buy a new phone every couple of weeks?
Talk about fickle.
I still haven't exploited all of my iPhone's capabilities.
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How many times has the iPhone been killed now?.....5?....6?

Why would I want to pay full price? I'm going to pay the same monthly charges for either the locked or unlocked phone. I might as well have the carrier give me a discount. I have a month to test it out.
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Okay folks - like it or hate it, Google will have Apple getting a bit scared.

Even if you're an Apple Fanboy/Fangirl and won't touch the N1 you won't be put off by what Apple will have to do to remain in the top seat.

At last, here is the credible competition that should mean Apple will have to drive down their prices.

I can't wait to see what Vodafone has to offer in the Spring time as this is when my phone contract is up - Bingo!

By the way - here's one of my predictions - Google will have to bring out some sort of iTunes for the N1 to fully benefit from its multifunction capabilities!

Get in there Google!
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I think I'm going to get one of these.....not as good as iPhone, of course but a bit more....budget friendly
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I think I'm going to get one of these.....not as good as iPhone, of course but a bit more....budget friendly

$20 bucks cheaper makes it budget friendly?
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Is it an surprise that phones are not $100? Smartphones cost money. Real money. Too many people, manly the US market, has been spoiled with subsidized phones. Try going to Europe, or The Mid East, or Asia where subsidized phones are not necessarily the norm. Phones typically cost 400 -600 (depending on the phone). Then complain. The choice is simple, either pay the full price and don't complain, or pay the subsidized price and don't complain. You can't have it both ways. I do understand that in some cases it is impossible to pay directly for the phone. Either way, complaining about it is not going to fix it.
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I don't think this looks as good as you guys do. $179 subsidized with T-Mobile is almost exactly the same as $199 on AT&T. T-Mobile has even worse coverage, and I'm in one of those good 3G spots with AT&T anyway.

Also, I may be the only one, but I never saw the appeal in open source or in Android. Nothing is ever 100% open - and these platforms are rarely supported by any big developers, which means lower quality applications. Apple gives iPhone devs what they need to make good apps... And I understand their reasoning for keeping some things closed. I'm sure they'll figure out how to get multitasking up and running without draining too much battery, but the phone has always been fast enough that it never really mattered to me. And if somebody isn't okay with that, a short download and one click of the mouse will open up your iPhone anyway.
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That does sound like a very good phone for the money. The only thing that now keeps Apple ahead is the ecosystem that it has with and around the iPhone (incl. iTunes, OSX, AppleTV etc). The 4th gen version had better be really good.

I dont see how its that nice for the money. Its $19 cheaper than the iPhone 3GS under contract yet it has a little over 1/4 the NAND, only 512MB is on-board which makes the total NAND from the SD card slower than the faster NAND Apple added to the 3GS over the 3G. Sure it has some nice HW features besides that but the 3GS came out in June 2009. Id wager that the display type and resolution will be upped considerably for this years iPhone.

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Incidentally, I think that 'multitouch,' while nice, is over-rated. I don't think it will be a continued source of competitive advantage for Apple.

I dont think multitouch is over-rated at all, but I havent seen anyone but Apple do it right. I couldnt live without it on my iPhone or my MBP trackpad. its a time saver over any single-touch system. I dont even want to image having to double click an image on a page to get a pop-up menu to choose to scale an image up or down instead of simply using pinch and zoom.
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The N1 doesn't have to kill the iPhone to succeed...
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Does it has some better technical specs than the iPhone. Yes! Will this make me switch from my iPhone? Absolutely not. Nothing beats the ease of integration of the iPhone with my Address Book, ICal and iTunes. Pre-iPhone, I struggled long enough to keep my BlackBerry in sync. There is no way that I will go back to a similar trial and error sync experience that may work on paper but requires multiple tweaks. Nevertheless, I hope that plenty of people will jump on the Nexus to give Apple an incentive to update the specs on future iPhones...
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$20 bucks cheaper makes it budget friendly?

Especially if you have to add about 40-50 bucks for a 16 GB SD card to match the capacity...
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A lot of build up for meh.
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Okay folks - like it or hate it, Google will have Apple getting a bit scared.

I seriously doubt Apple is afraid of Google. If anything Google crapped its pants after hearing the news of Apple buying up that mobile ad network. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple even decides to create a search engine of its own on MobileMe to replace Google. Google is deciding to step into Apple's core business, hardware, Apple will have no choice but to step on Google as well. Google is making a lot of money off of Apple's platforms and we will begin to see a shift to more Apple services, backed by Apple owned ads. Also take into consideration the number of applications downloaded and how many of those are ad-supported. I'm sure there's a lot of potential profit slipping between Apple's fingers and they're dying to take control of that. They could make it dead simple for developers to add advertisements in their apps and then simply collect the money as they're clicked. They already have the payment system set up with developers.

Also, Android isn't a threat to the iPhone, it is threat to Windows Mobile.
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I dont think multitouch is over-rated at all, but I havent seen anyone but Apple do it right. I couldnt live without it on my iPhone or my MBP trackpad. its a time saver over any single-touch system. I dont even want to image having to double click an image on a page to get a pop-up menu to choose to scale an image up or down instead of simply using pinch and zoom.

Where are you getting this pop-up thing from? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Just that most smartphones I've used, double-tapping (or single tapping) just automatically zooms in on the text/picture to a level that quite easy to read.

Only time pinch-zoom has failed me is when I was using my dad's iPhone on a family trip to FL over the last week. I was carrying something in my other hand so I had to resort to the double tap with the thumb of the hand carrying the iPhone. Lest I contort my hand funny, resulting in it dropping near an alligator... Being optimized for two-handed operation is pinch-zoom's only Archille's heel.
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I carry two phone iPhone, and a work Provided T-Mobile phone.
T-Mobile service is very Poor.

If you aren't happy with the iPhone because of AT&T you certainly aren't going to be happy with T-Mobile service.

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The N1 doesn't have to kill the iPhone to succeed...

Yes, and in fact there's no such thing as an "iPhone killer," or a "Blackberry killer," etc. Use of those phrases is merely a symptom of lazy thinking, or shoddy journalism.

As a very satisfied iPhone 3G owner who is unlikely to switch to another platform, I welcome quality competition that makes the next iPhone I buy likely to be that much more capable.
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If Verizon gets the Nexus One and the next gen iPhone, AT&T is f**ked!
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Why would I want to pay full price? I'm going to pay the same monthly charges for either the locked or unlocked phone. I might as well have the carrier give me a discount. I have a month to test it out.

Some folks buy phones, keep them in pristine condition while using them, and then sell them on eBay for big bucks.

If you have no "trade-in", then buying at full price and paying full boat for service is crazy, as you say. But if you have an existing T-Mo account, and could sell your existing high end phone for several hundred dollars on eBay, then switching phones becomes an affordable hobby.

Personally, I buy subsidized phones and keep them for two years. But with all of the exciting stuff going on in the mobile space, who knows?
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Okay folks - like it or hate it, Google will have Apple getting a bit scared.

I am not so sure. There is a lot of growth left in the smartphone market and the fact that there is another player won't necessarily detract from Apple's sales. On the contrary. (When MS brings out a new OS sales figures for Mac OS' tend to spike). What it means is that people have more of a choice there will be something to compare with. My guess is that other brands will suffer but not so much Apple. The iPod effect is still a big selling point. Some people will be happy to jump ship because of carrier dissatisfaction, but from my experience all the carriers over priced and the current ATT and Verizon 'war' is fuelled by a large dose of hysteria. I don't live in the US and maybe things are as terrible as everybody says but I have resided in three countries and the conversations are the same in each country - just change the names.
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I seriously doubt Apple is afraid of Google. If anything Google crapped its pants after hearing the news of Apple buying up that mobile ad network. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple even decides to create a search engine of its own on MobileMe to replace Google. Google is deciding to step into Apple's core business, hardware, Apple will have no choice but to step on Google as well. Google is making a lot of money off of Apple's platforms and we will begin to see a shift to more Apple services, backed by Apple owned ads. Also take into consideration the number of applications downloaded and how many of those are ad-supported. I'm sure there's a lot of potential profit slipping between Apple's fingers and they're dying to take control of that. They could make it dead simple for developers to add advertisements in their apps and then simply collect the money as they're clicked. They already have the payment system set up with developers.

Also, Android isn't a threat to the iPhone, it is threat to Windows Mobile.

people don't want lock in. they don't like tyrants. android will just get bigger and no way will apple build a search engine or cloud that most people can stomach. unless apple has some rabbits to pull out of a hat (and not saying they don't) this is the year they start slipping away.
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What's with the messy UI? Angled icons and clutter, don't get that.
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Where are you getting this pop-up thing from? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Just that most smartphones I've used, double-tapping (or single tapping) just automatically zooms in on the text/picture to a level that quite easy to read.

Only time pinch-zoom has failed me is when I was using my dad's iPhone on a family trip to FL over the last week. I was carrying something in my other hand so I had to resort to the double tap with the thumb of the hand carrying the iPhone. Lest I contort my hand funny, resulting in it dropping near an alligator... Being optimized for two-handed operation is pinch-zoom's only Archille's heel.

The iPhone does double-tap to smart zoom but how do I pinch and zoom a page to my specifications without mutli-touch? Have you used a Mac notebook trackpad? I do not want to go back to having to use the scroll bars in windows. In fact, I want them removed because multi-touch is a superior method for notebooks. How do you propose a tablet with a single-tcouh interface that requires only multiple single taps and menus to get functions that are easily done with multi-touch. Multi-touch is not a novelty and its not going away!
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That does sound like a very good phone for the money. The only thing that now keeps Apple ahead is the ecosystem that it has with and around the iPhone (incl. iTunes, OSX, AppleTV etc). The 4th gen version had better be really good.

Incidentally, I think that 'multitouch,' while nice, is over-rated. I don't think it will be a continued source of competitive advantage for Apple.

I don't know. Everytime I see a phone with the green and red menu buttons or the trackball, or a chiclet style keyboard it feels old and clunky to me.

Apart from being a novelty, multi-touch offers choices right in front of you and quicker navigation. I see that being the new norm.
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Good start for the competition... I did have to remember that a lot of those well touted features are in there because of the iPhone, so in the end it was just.. meh...

(the Multi-touch ability of the iPhone is king, without it, you're games are crippled for starters, and your ability to use the phone in a quick and fluid experience is limited... )
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What's with the messy UI? Angled icons and clutter, don't get that.

I thought the UI was messy and cluttered too. Rather odd, for a company that is fairly minimalist and subdued in its approach to UI design.
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Where are you getting this pop-up thing from? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Just that most smartphones I've used, double-tapping (or single tapping) just automatically zooms in on the text/picture to a level that quite easy to read.

Only time pinch-zoom has failed me is when I was using my dad's iPhone on a family trip to FL over the last week. I was carrying something in my other hand so I had to resort to the double tap with the thumb of the hand carrying the iPhone. Lest I contort my hand funny, resulting in it dropping near an alligator... Being optimized for two-handed operation is pinch-zoom's only Archille's heel.

Touch a link on the iPhone and hold for about 2 seconds and you get choices.

Touch on the MB and MBP gives you many, many options for 1, 2 or 3 fingers.
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The touchscreen deviceoffers a voice-to-text feature that allows users to dictate aloud for any text field on the device.

This is a killer app. With all the speech interface pioneering that Apple has done over the last three decades, it's astounding that they've let Google beat them to this feature. How many lives will be saved from idiots texting while driving?
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I don’t see how it’s that nice for the money. It’s $19 cheaper than the iPhone 3GS under contract yet it has a little over 1/4 the NAND, only 512MB is on-board which makes the total NAND from the SD card slower than the faster NAND Apple added to the 3GS over the 3G.

Why did they decide on only 512k? Do you think it is a matter of price?

On my old PalmOS devices, RAM was scarce, and it was pretty standard to run apps "directly" from the SD card, using third-part software. What actually happened was that things were copied into RAM in order to execute the program. That took a moment, comparable to getting an executable off of a hard drive with a regular computer.

If such a method is quick enough on the Nexus, might that be what they had in mind, which would account for the small amount of memory?

I dunno. Seems to me that memory is very cheap these days. I don't understand Google's decision.

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Sure it has some nice HW features besides that but the 3GS came out in June 2009. I’d wager that the display type and resolution will be upped considerably for this year’s iPhone.

I'd make the same wager. Last time around, in the rumor-mongering period prior to the 3GS being announced, many said that it would have an OLED screen. I wonder if it will happen this year.

I also wonder if the 4GS will have a WVGA resolution, and what might be the optimal resolution for such a tiny screen.
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I don’t think multitouch is over-rated at all, but I haven’t seen anyone but Apple do it right. I couldn’t live without it on my iPhone or my MBP trackpad. it’s a time saver over any single-touch system. I don’t even want to image having to double click an image on a page to get a pop-up menu to choose to scale an image up or down instead of simply using pinch and zoom.

On my iPhone, I find that I rarely use multitouch except on mapping programs, and then, only to gain altitude. Otherwise, "double-tap to center and enlage" seems easiest.
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The N1 doesn't have to kill the iPhone to succeed...

The iPhone has critical mass. Nothing and nobody will kill it. It will have plenty of buyers until it dies a natural death.
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The iPhone does double-tap to smart zoom but how do I pinch and zoom a page to my specifications without mutli-touch? Have you used a Mac notebook trackpad? I do not want to go back to having to use the scroll bars in windows. In fact, I want them removed because multi-touch is a superior method for notebooks. How do you propose a tablet with a single-tcouh interface that requires only multiple single taps and menus to get functions that are easily done with multi-touch. Multi-touch is not a novelty and its not going away!

I have no disagreements with you at all. I just personally haven't found a phone that does that pop-up you speak of. Just double or single tap and it zooms in. Double or single tap and it zooms back out. Again, I haven't found one that under- or over-zoomed.

The vast majority of touchscreen smartphones we hear and read about are capable of multi-touch via hardware. They just haven't been given the recognition of the pinch-zoom gesture natively. I'm thinking it's just that they don't want to waste the time and effort and money fighting Apple when it decides to sue. Navigating patent rights is a tricky road...

I personally see this as less of a technical merit of the iPhone. More of just legal red tape no one wants to bother with. Think of it this way. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that a judge throws out Apple's pinch-zoom patent for whatever technical reason. What's to stop all of the iPhone's competitors from sending out an OTA update to enable their phones to use the pinch-zoom gesture within a few days? Nothing.
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I seriously doubt Apple is afraid of Google. If anything Google crapped its pants after hearing the news of Apple buying up that mobile ad network. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple even decides to create a search engine of its own on MobileMe to replace Google. Google is deciding to step into Apple's core business, hardware, Apple will have no choice but to step on Google as well. Google is making a lot of money off of Apple's platforms and we will begin to see a shift to more Apple services, backed by Apple owned ads. Also take into consideration the number of applications downloaded and how many of those are ad-supported. I'm sure there's a lot of potential profit slipping between Apple's fingers and they're dying to take control of that. They could make it dead simple for developers to add advertisements in their apps and then simply collect the money as they're clicked. They already have the payment system set up with developers.

Also, Android isn't a threat to the iPhone, it is threat to Windows Mobile.


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If Verizon gets the Nexus One and the next gen iPhone, AT&T is f**ked!

I find it notable that ATT doesn't carry any Android devices. But I've not seen a single news story about it.
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You can't know about a device's success until it's put to work in the field. Features are one thing, but overall UI design and the design of the system and how well it works on the system it's on, all go together to make or break the product--in each customer's subjective reality.

They'll either rave about it, or they'll rant about it, or they just won't say anything. But unless they rave, it'll eventually flop, especially since Apple now has this and other touted devices to "compete" with, and at least know better both what NOT to do and to learn what people actually want in addition to what they already have with the iPhone.

Nothing to be "scared" (Oooooo!) about. Just makes the game a little more interesting.
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Why did they decide on only 512k? Do you think it is a matter of price?

I dont know. I wont have the same problem as the G1 did but it seems shortsighted to me.

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On my old PalmOS devices, RAM was scarce, and it was pretty standard to run apps "directly" from the SD card, using third-part software. What actually happened was that things were copied into RAM in order to execute the program. That took a moment, comparable to getting an executable off of a hard drive with a regular computer.

Can you store apps on the SD cards or is it still just the support files? I hope youre not confusing the 512MB RAM with the 512MB on-board NAND.


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I'd make the same wager. Last time around, in the rumor-mongering period prior to the 3GS being announced, many said that it would have an OLED screen. I wonder if it will happen this year.

I also wonder if the 4GS will have a WVGA resolution, and what might be the optimal resolution for such a tiny screen.

I thought theyd up it last time around. Itll be 3 years with the same LCD tech and resolution. I dont see how they could possibly hold out for another year so i think AMLOED and higher resolution is a shoe in.

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On my iPhone, I find that I rarely use multitouch except on mapping programs, and then, only to gain altitude. Otherwise, "double-tap to center and enlage" seems easiest.

I forgot about the maps app. I had to test it to see if pinch and zoom is something I do often in Maps, and I do. I take it for granted. Its too useful and elegant not to.
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If Verizon gets the Nexus One and the next gen iPhone, AT&T is f**ked!

next gen iPhone and Nexus One on Verizon ... the only one getting f**ked is Verizon. LOL

two bandwidth hogs on the same network! niiice -- then the can feel the ATT pain.

I'll be a happy camper on ATT, can't wait for the current bandwidth to be cut in half. more for me! thank you, come again!
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