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Previously seen only as a leaked concept, Microsoft and HP could unveil the dual-screen, book-like touchscreen device known as the Courier Wednesday at CES.

According to The New York Times, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer will introduce the device during his keynote speech at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. The hardware will be made by HP and is expected to be available for sale by mid 2010.

The Times made mention of the Courier, first viewed as a concept last September, but did not say whether Ballmer's purported new hardware would take that dual-screen form factor.

If true, HP and Microsoft will join a number of manufacturers who hope to beat Apple to market with tablet-like devices. Apple is expected to host a media event on Jan. 27 to introduce new hardware, which is widely believed to include a 10-inch touchscreen multimedia device that will ship in March.

The Times noted that a great deal of scrutiny will be placed on both Microsoft and HP if they do introduce new hardware, with Apple's expected event looming just weeks away.

"This product better be good," the report said, "because Apple is expected to unveil its take on the slate/tablet form-factor later this month. If history holds, Apple will issue a product that surprises people in a few ways and that stands out from the crowd."

Officials with Microsoft and HP declined to comment on the rumor. However, it is expected that Ballmer will introduce hardware that will function as both a multimedia device and an e-reader with multi-touch capabilities.

"It remains tough to tell where Microsofts work ends and H.P.s begins on this type of product," the report said. "But all eyes will be on Mr. Ballmer this week to see if Microsoft and HP and can out-Apple Apple before Apple Apples."

When it was leaked in September, the Courier was said to be a project under the eye of J Allard, Microsoft's chief experience officer. The Microsoft prototype reportedly included Wi-Fi, an iPhone-like home button, a camera on its reverse side, and an inductive charging pad like the Touchstone for the Palm Pre.

Concept pictures and video of the Courier showed two 7-inch screens held together by a hinge. The multi-touch screens were designed for writing, and could be controlled with either a stylus or fingers.

In addition to pushing the notion of the tablet PC for years, Microsoft has been behind another touch-centric device called Surface. Revealed two and a half years ago, the costly technology has yet to see any widespread real world adoption.



Another tablet concept already revealed this week came from Lenovo. Known as the IdeaPad U1 Hybrid, the laptop features a detachable resistive multitouch display that sports a separate Snapdragon processor and its own Linux operating system. When docked, with its keyboard base, the machine runs a traditional copy of Windows 7, and switches to its own "Skylight" operating system when disconnected.

Though only a prototype at the moment, Engadget had a hands-on with the device and came away with relatively positive impressions.

"When docked, the U1 looks and feels like any other snazzed-up laptop, with an Intel CULV processor and a 128GB SSD running Windows 7 Home Premium," the report said. "You actually wouldn't know there's a slate hiding in there -- until you pull it out and watch it switch to Lenovo's Skylight UI, a process that was smooth and quick for us. Lenovo says the goal is for the full switch to occur in under 3 seconds, and the U1 delivered, as far as we could tell."
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Though only a prototype at the moment, Engadget had a hands-on with the device and came away with relatively positive impressions.

Dude, the Lenovo plays solitaire! The iTablet is doomed!

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Killer app, indeed.

In a few months, there will be a lot of dead tablets for sale. Will Apple's be one of them?
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If MS shows something that looks anything like that Courier concept I'll eat my hat. Expect to see a touch tablet with a little bit of case bling and a few bells and whistles, maybe running some version of WinCE for an OS and maybe with some Zune style animations. Probably Xbox ties ins, and pitched as an email/video/game/media device.

Not much different from the various small tablets that have been floating around for a while now, in other words, but MS probably feels like they have to at least pretend to have a dog in that hunt.
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Until, and when HP rids themselves of Mark Hurd and several directors, HP will remain a has-been tech company; the good people at HP are all but gone.
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If MS shows something that looks anything like that Courier concept I'll eat my hat. Expect to see a touch tablet with a little bit of case bling and a few bells and whistles, maybe running some version of WinCE for an OS and maybe with some Zune style animations. Probably Xbox ties ins, and pitched as an email/video/game/media device.

I am not so sure about that. They somehow made that Courier video leak for a reason, and the NYT assumes it (the Ballmer) will just show a video tomorrow... I would not be surprised if they go for the Courier concept, especially since it received a lot of favorable comments. Much more likely is that they will announce a vague shipping date and then issue delay notice after delay notice. This is the usual Ballmer tactic: keep people from buying something else by announcing vaporware and then delay it ad nauseam. This has not worked for at least ten years now, but he is no fast learner...

With all the Web versions of Office applications they are working on (and to be honest, what they have shown so far outperforms anything Google Docs and iWork.com offer by lightyears) - all the Courier would need is a decent lightweight OS and a decent browser... and their insistence on using only own technology will kill it exactly for these requirements
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i smell vaporware ... ... and the full mstablet functionality won't be known until of course apple announces theirs ...
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If MS shows something that looks anything like that Courier concept I'll eat my hat. Expect to see a touch tablet with a little bit of case bling and a few bells and whistles, maybe running some version of WinCE for an OS and maybe with some Zune style animations. Probably Xbox ties ins, and pitched as an email/video/game/media device.

Not much different from the various small tablets that have been floating around for a while now, in other words, but MS probably feels like they have to at least pretend to have a dog in that hunt.

No WinCE. The MS multitouch SDK has been out for a little while now and enabling WPF applications for multitouch is easier than one might think. It's rather cool. It'll run Win7 and be fairly slick is my expectation.

But we'll see how much Office gets modified for that environment.
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If MS shows something that looks anything like that Courier concept I'll eat my hat. Expect to see a touch tablet with a little bit of case bling and a few bells and whistles, maybe running some version of WinCE for an OS and maybe with some Zune style animations. Probably Xbox ties ins, and pitched as an email/video/game/media device.

Not much different from the various small tablets that have been floating around for a while now, in other words, but MS probably feels like they have to at least pretend to have a dog in that hunt.

It'll be interesting to see whether you're right or not, but I suspect your vision is closer to what we'll see than that video that got passed around a few months ago. Personally, I'm ambivalent about the Courier. The concept was very cool, but Microsoft seems unable to bring true innovation to market.

To me, one of the most interesting things about the Courier was the glimpse it gives into the Microsoft process. There are some imaginative people trapped inside that company, but their ideas obviously never percolate to the outside world. What must it be like to be a clever person, trapped inside a company like that?

At least Xerox PARC's innovations were seen & appreciated by the outside world. (Why Xerox so rarely managed to capitalize on their own brilliant ideas is another matter).

Back to the Courier. I could easily see them having a really cool concept and then, in their rush to bring it to market, produce a half-baked kludge that ECHOES the concept but fails to embody it. Sort of the opposite of what was rumored to have happened with the iPhone: right before he was due to announce the thing, Mr Jobs reportedly decided it wasn't ready yet, and he told everybody to go back and get it right and we didn't see the real deal for another year, as a result... incredible! If that story is true, it's the antithesis of what I suspect will happen with the Courier.
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Dude, the Lenovo plays solitaire! The iTablet is doomed!

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who needs solitaire when you've got Words With Friends.

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No WinCE. The MS multitouch SDK has been out for a little while now and enabling WPF applications for multitouch is easier than one might think. It's rather cool. It'll run Win7 and be fairly slick is my expectation.

But we'll see how much Office gets modified for that environment.

Well, if it does that I suspect it will be not terribly different from the failed Windows tablets that have come before. There's a big difference between enabling desktop applications for touch and having something that's actually easy and fun to use and which has touch (and a particular hardware configuration) baked into it's DNA.

I suspect that Apple came to the conclusion that a tablet had to be rethought from the ground up to make any sense. It would be pretty typical for MS to decide that all they have to do is swap out a stylus for a finger and button clicks for taps to make their tablet OS work.
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Who selects the CES keynote speaker anyway? And why do they always toady up to the Monkey Man? There are many other hi-tech CEOs who have stronger messages to bring to CES so why do they keep bring Ball-less to do the vapor-note?
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[CENTER]As someone who had a great experience with the HP TX1100, the first real consumer-level slate/tablet capable of running a REAL operating system, I feel quite confident that this new generation of MS/Hp Tablet will be quite impressive, and if it is based on the Courier prototypes, it'll be stellar!

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*yawn*

MS + HP. Well that can only mean innovation!
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I am not so sure about that. They somehow made that Courier video leak for a reason, and the NYT assumes it (the Ballmer) will just show a video tomorrow... I would not be surprised if they go for the Courier concept, especially since it received a lot of favorable comments. Much more likely is that they will announce a vague shipping date and then issue delay notice after delay notice. This is the usual Ballmer tactic: keep people from buying something else by announcing vaporware and then delay it ad nauseam. This has not worked for at least ten years now, but he is no fast learner...

With all the Web versions of Office applications they are working on (and to be honest, what they have shown so far outperforms anything Google Docs and iWork.com offer by lightyears) - all the Courier would need is a decent lightweight OS and a decent browser... and their insistence on using only own technology will kill it exactly for these requirements

Except the Courier concept is a huge break with established computing practice, and MS doesn't really do that. The video had a lot of blue-sky concepts around how data is handled that would require an entirely new OS-- moving things around by touch was the least of it. There was the kind of context sensitive OS level awareness that looks great when demoed around specific use-cases, but seems pretty unlikely when you consider a broader application. And how does that split screen hardware configuration work if you want to watch a full screen video? Seems like a pretty big drawback to have your device permanently split in half that way, even if you really want to run things full screen as big as possible. If there was a way of doing all that as an inexpensive day planner replacement, the kind of semi-dedicated device that people will pay a few hundred dollars for, then sure. But that's not going to happen.

I would say that that video was simply a compilation of a bunch of ideas (context sensitive flicking, 3D icon animations, gesture based text input handling, etc.), some of which may even find their way into shipping products.

But I don't think they'll even pretend that they're going to release something like the Courier concept.
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Who selects the CES keynote speaker anyway? And why do they always toady up to the Monkey Man? There are many other hi-tech CEOs who have stronger messages to bring to CES so why do they keep bring Ball-less to do the vapor-note?

because msoft pays up for the spot. you don't really think it's a matter of bestowing an honor do you?
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[CENTER]As someone who had a great experience with the HP TX1100, the first real consumer-level slate/tablet capable of running a REAL operating system, I feel quite confident that this new generation of MS/Hp Tablet will be quite impressive, and if it is based on the Courier prototypes, it'll be stellar!

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There's a problem with defining a "real operating system" as "pretty much like the desktop OS but with fingers instead of mice." Probably why this market segment has never gone anywhere, your appreciation of a particular device notwithstanding.

As far as Apple's moves go, is this going to be anything like the devastating blow that the Zune HD dealt the iPod Touch? I'm sure Cupertino is pretty freaked out.
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Well, if it does that I suspect it will be not terribly different from the failed Windows tablets that have come before. There's a big difference between enabling desktop applications for touch and having something that's actually easy and fun to use and which has touch (and a particular hardware configuration) baked into it's DNA.

I suspect that Apple came to the conclusion that a tablet had to be rethought from the ground up to make any sense. It would be pretty typical for MS to decide that all they have to do is swap out a stylus for a finger and button clicks for taps to make their tablet OS work.


the tablet laptops cost something like $1000 more than the price of a regular laptop which is why no one bought them
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Except the Courier concept is a huge break with established computing practice, and MS doesn't really do that.

Agree - they have never done that in the past, but - to a much smaller degree, of course - the risky step of introducing the ribbon UI (love it or hate it, I hate it, but some people have embraced it) did at least show that there is some life left... and the sheer fear of being left behind in the mobile space (and that fear is well deserved) might force them to try something else...

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The video had a lot of blue-sky concepts around how data is handled that would require an entirely new OS-- moving things around by touch was the least of it. There was the kind of context sensitive OS level awareness that looks great when demoed around specific use-cases, but seems pretty unlikely when you consider broader application. And how does that split screen hardware configuration work if you want to watch a full screen video?

Basically what they have shown was just a glorified concept of having an abstract/context-sensitive explorer on the left and a content area on the right screen. If you ignore the effects and animations it is nothing else than that - so, actually an old concept that can easily be applied to a lot of scenarios. Make a decent SDK for it and developers can certainly make it work for a lot of things.

Assuming that each of the screens is at least 5-7", folding one side back and turning the device 90 degrees would make for a better video viewer than most smartphones and portable DVD players available today.

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I would say that that video was simply a compilation of a bunch of ideas (context sensitive flicking, 3D icon animations, gesture based text input handling, etc.), some of which may even find their way into shipping products.

But I don't think they'll even pretend that they're going to release something like the Courier concept.

Agree, but even if they just build a device using this concept and form factor and achieve a fraction of what that video was showing... it will certainly be one of the stronger contenders - somehow business people love that folding-style concept and e.g. displaying PDF bookmarks on the left and content on the right would make for a pretty natural reading experience if done right.

Maybe you are right, but Ballmer must know how much attention this concept video was getting. Making a major speech at a major event and then showing a conventional tablet that does not bring anything new to the table, would be an embarrassment... I am betting on futuristic vaporware that will finally not be available and working before 2011/2012 instead.
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I'll bet this is just another FUD presentation by Microsoft, to try to get consumers to hold off on buying Apple's products until they can ship a mobile operating system somebody actually wants to use.

Promise the moon, maybe deliver some mud in six months, or just forget to actually ship. Especially since Microsoft still is jerking people along with Windows Mobile 2010 edition.
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I like both concepts. I'd like them better if Jonathan Ive got his hands on them.
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Except the Courier concept is a huge break with established computing practice, and MS doesn't really do that. The video had a lot of blue-sky concepts around how data is handled that would require an entirely new OS-- moving things around by touch was the least of it. There was the kind of context sensitive OS level awareness that looks great when demoed around specific use-cases, but seems pretty unlikely when you consider a broader application. And how does that split screen hardware configuration work if you want to watch a full screen video? Seems like a pretty big drawback to have your device permanently split in half that way, even if you really want to run things full screen as big as possible. If there was a way of doing all that as an inexpensive day planner replacement, the kind of semi-dedicated device that people will pay a few hundred dollars for, then sure. But that's not going to happen.

I would say that that video was simply a compilation of a bunch of ideas (context sensitive flicking, 3D icon animations, gesture based text input handling, etc.), some of which may even find their way into shipping products.

But I don't think they'll even pretend that they're going to release something like the Courier concept.

Totally agree.

I think you gave MS too much credit in your first post though. I think it's more likely we will see essentially just another UMPC, but this time running Windows 7 and with a capacitive screen bolted onto it.

I'd love it if they did something Courier-like though as that thing is a dog wearing a fancy suit. The demo looked good(ish) but it's not even vapourware it's just a bunch of loose concepts that won't actually work together. I would just *love* to see MS come out with a new product, beating Apple to market for the first time, and then have it fail like the load of bricks it truly is. That would be almost worth paying for.

I think the OS will be Windows 7 though as they have been touting that for a while now (and it's multitouch support), and their only angle to defeat Apple's tablet is to provide what (some) people think Apple's tablet is missing. i.e - a "complete" Desktop OS. This will make it more of a slow motion, harder-to-see failure only visible in retrospect a year or two from now.
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the Courier demo was the first impressive thing I have ever seen come out of Microsoft. I am actually pretty scared if Microsoft can deliver on Courier. It's interface was extremely intuitive and useful. The firt time I think I've ever used those words in the same topic as Microsoft!!!
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... what (Microsoft) have shown was just a glorified concept of having an abstract/context-sensitive explorer on the left and a content area on the right screen. If you ignore the effects and animations it is nothing else than that - so, actually an old concept that can easily be applied to a lot of scenarios. Make a decent SDK for it and developers can certainly make it work for a lot of things. ...

I totally disagree with this.

Your assessment of what underlies Courier is spot on, but I don't see that it can be applied to multiple scenarios at all. Even if it can be applied to a few, it certainly can't stretch to be a complete OS, mobile or otherwise.

The Courier was originally a concept demo called the "Journal" and was intended as a research device to do exactly what you say, collect a bunch of sources into a Journal. The only reason we are talking about it, is Microsoft got caught flat-footed by Apple's mobile platform and someone at the top asked for Research to give them anything they were working on that was similar (tablet format and touch screen), that could be claimed was an innovative new system. Turn Apple's new tablet sideways and a simple five dollar app can imitate anything that Courier does.

As hardware, the Courier also has all the drawbacks of previous tablet attempts from Microsoft and anyone else who has tried so far. It's too heavy and too bulky to hold in one hand, and you can't really use it without putting it on a table or wearing your forearm out. All Apple's tablet has to be is lightweight and reasonably useful and they win (again).
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For some of the background on where the Courier came from, see the Microsoft "Codex" research project, a mashup (in their own words) of the Apple Knowledge Navigator, Nintendo DS and the OLPC project. For more details see the paper [PDF] from Microsoft Research, and this video [YouTube] for a look-see at the device (two OQOs strapped together), the software (semi-interesting) and the once-again awful cringe-factor of Microsoft's internal videos.

This is from 2009, so they can't have gone much further than just a CGI mockup, can they? I don't see anything even vaguely interesting coming from Redmond for a good while yet. Besides, all the multi-touch gestures and interface design elements on the Courier are just plain wrong.
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Microsoft Research has been hiring lots of great people for more than a decade. The real questions: can Microsoft translate research into products? Have the product groups benefited? (I recall that Talisman was an amazing commercial success! *grin*)

Courier is yet another interesting project. Will it escape the labs?

(More tablet goodness from Microsoft Research: InkSeine)
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Seriously you guys are just ridiculous. If the Courier makes its appearance i expect a sock in everyones mouth. Apple's Tablet is even more vaporware than MS Courier (but i guess since everyone and their grandma talks about it...it MUST BE REAL?!!)

To put it like this, if they show off a physical Courier that did exactly what that video showcased awhile back and comes with a decent price tag...well this Magical Unicorn Tablet had better blow the doors off, cause i was definitely wowed by the Courier, so much in fact that i would sell my Hackintosh for one if it truly comes out this year.
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So much anticipation for Apple's still only rumored tablet!

But MS's and others seem like premature ejaculations.

I have to admit that I thought of a folding tablet, but reading some comments about playing movies and about difficulties in holding the thing during use, I can see the awkwardness of MS's design.

Also, I hate to write stuff if it's not on a stable horizontal surface, and I didn't see a keyboard on that thing. I'd imagine handwriting recognition would add a hefty computing overhead and be awkward when one or more characters were mis-recognized.

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Seriously you guys are just ridiculous. If the Courier makes its appearance i expect a sock in everyones mouth. Apple's Tablet is even more vaporware than MS Courier (but i guess since everyone and their grandma talks about it...it MUST BE REAL?!!)

To put it like this, if they show off a physical Courier that did exactly what that video showcased awhile back and comes with a decent price tag...well this Magical Unicorn Tablet had better blow the doors off, cause i was definitely wowed by the Courier, so much in fact that i would sell my Hackintosh for one if it truly comes out this year.

Sell your hackintosh, eh? Well that speaks volumes about your mental state--for both hacking one AND then selling it. Whassa matter, can't get no satisfaction now how?

And then you glom onto this new MS gewgaw, why? 'Cause it's kinda shiny and cool lookin'?

Umhum! Pretty sad.

Ever think about the dearth of Windoze Mobile software for this trinket?

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Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer will introduce the device during his keynote speech at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

He will sweat and slobber all over it, it will short out in a puff of smoke..
All monitors & televisions in the CES hall will fade to black and fade in...

An astonaut on the shuttle is outside in space, doing some tests. He pulls out a tablet device and takes a picture of the shuttle door with it and taps on the screen a few times. While the screen shows a bunch of data and displays some info, he is listening to Major Tom and taps his foot to the beat..
After a few seconds, the astronaut smiles approvingly, taps the screen again and says, "Houston, we have a go. Seems it was just the "windows" in the bay door getting all fogged up."

"Roger that Endeavour. Good job! Let's bring her on home.

(Fade in Led Zeppelin "Bring It On Home")

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Sell your hackintosh, eh? Well that speaks volumes about your mental state--for both hacking one AND then selling it. Whassa matter, can't get no satisfaction now how?

And then you glom onto this new MS gewgaw, why? 'Cause it's kinda shiny and cool lookin'?

Umhum! Pretty sad.

Ever think about the dearth of Windoze Mobile software for this trinket?

Wow your an idiot, did you seriously try to make a jab at me for owning a hackintosh and doing it myself? You sir are the one in a mental state, and your not funny to boot so fail on both accounts.

Guess what, you know that MS gewgaw (wtf is that, Apple baby talk?) even though it was a concept video if it has the features made in that video well atleast we know what its capable of, the only thing you know about Apples Mythical Tablet is they own islate...great logic there champ.

Now, why would Windows Mobile be brought into this discussion when Microsoft has tablet software based off *gasp* WINDOWS...in this case that would be Windows 7.
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And how does that split screen hardware configuration work if you want to watch a full screen video? Seems like a pretty big drawback to have your device permanently split in half that way,

See that's what I don't get, MS usually announce vapourware on the eve of a genuine Apple product launch but why announce a Nintendo DS-killer?

Is it me or does iMovie look more Cocoa Touchy every time I use it? And why have I started to double-click columns in Safari to zoom them? If only Revision A wasn't such a heartbreak guarantee.

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Wow your an idiot, did you seriously try to make a jab at me for owning a hackintosh and doing it myself? You sir are the one in a mental state, and your not funny to boot so fail on both accounts.

Guess what, you know that MS gewgaw (wtf is that, Apple baby talk?) even though it was a concept video if it has the features made in that video well atleast we know what its capable of, the only thing you know about Apples Mythical Tablet is they own islate...great logic there champ.

Now, why would Windows Mobile be brought into this discussion when Microsoft has tablet software based off *gasp* WINDOWS...in this case that would be Windows 7.


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It's possible to do some pretty informed speculation on what an Apple tablet might be like, because Apple has had great success with the iPod Touch and App Store and are likely looking to leverage that success. We don't have to make a distinction between OS X and whatever version Apple uses on new hardware, because Apple can tailor the UI and components to fit the form factor.

On the other had, we have a concept video with a bunch of UI stuff that's doesn't exist on any existing MS product, we have touch enabled Win 7, and we have a bunch of consumer handheld stuff based on WinCE. At the very least, any MS tablet is unlikely to simultaneously be running touch enabled Windows 7 and whatever was going on in that video, so you'll have to pick your poison.
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On the other had, we have a concept video with a bunch of UI stuff that's doesn't exist on any existing MS product, we have touch enabled Win 7, and we have a bunch of consumer handheld stuff based on WinCE. At the very least, any MS tablet is unlikely to simultaneously be running touch enabled Windows 7 and whatever was going on in that video, so you'll have to pick your poison.

[CENTER]Really?

There appear to be several 'Courier-esque' UI elements in the just announced Hp TouchSmart TM2.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/h...nd-spruces-up/

Who's to say that this isn't merely a small taste of the technology that the Hp/MS Courier GUI will utilize?

We'll See Soon Enough...[/CENTER]
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MS gewgaw (wtf is that, Apple baby talk?)

English vocabulary FAIL!
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It's possible to do some pretty informed speculation on what an Apple tablet might be like, because Apple has had great success with the iPod Touch and App Store and are likely looking to leverage that success. We don't have to make a distinction between OS X and whatever version Apple uses on new hardware, because Apple can tailor the UI and components to fit the form factor.

On the other had, we have a concept video with a bunch of UI stuff that's doesn't exist on any existing MS product, we have touch enabled Win 7, and we have a bunch of consumer handheld stuff based on WinCE. At the very least, any MS tablet is unlikely to simultaneously be running touch enabled Windows 7 and whatever was going on in that video, so you'll have to pick your poison.

In laymans terms, your guessing which is absolutely fine because well...we have nothing to go on except what they already have and how WE think they can expand upon their success.

Again everyone is diggin on MS for not having said UI items physically but recently i'd say MS has been on a roll, take a look at their BIG products. Xbox 360 has a great UI, Windows 7 has an excellent UI they added a bunch of new stuff to, Zune HD has a great UI but comes a little too late to the party. WinMo 7 while oft delayed seems to be on a good track to pull WM out from the stoneage compared against iPhone OS and Android. Sadly WM6.5 was just a bitter rehash, even though HTC is making it quite appealing with the HD2.

Now I know people will cry and whine about it simply because it IS Microsoft and attack everything MS out of sheer nature (fighting the power i guess?) but seeing the track record with what they have done, id say the chances of this stuff being implemented or real is pretty high right now.

I think the Courier could be a nice option but for a niche market. I dont care for ebooks or media stuff to be honest but this would be a killer school companion since it has the form factor of a laptop but with that something extra and this gives Microsoft the opportunity to lay WindowsCE to rest and start anew with Windows 7 foundations (this UI being built on top), especially since Apple is getting into the game, and Android is starting to infringe on their territory MS has held for quite some time unchallenged.
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English vocabulary FAIL!

[CENTER]Actually...

The term gewgaw is largely considered archaic (circa 1529 - LOL!) by today's vocabulary standards, and let's be honest here - had it not been used in this forum tonight you (probably) wouldn't have even known its meaning or that it is (in fact) considered archaic.

Now about that Hp/MS Courier announcement tomorrow... I Hope It's An Incredible Device![/CENTER]
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