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Bush and Blair. Can you share a Nobel prize?
post #2 of 33
well, Rabin, Peres and Arafat shared the price... and a lot of others too... In fact its very common...
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post #3 of 33
I think Bush should get it.

He has done more than anyone in history to reduce nuclear arms, after all.
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post #4 of 33
They're nominated for a Peace prize for having a war against Afghanistan?
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Part of it may be that, BRussell, yes. Ousting an oppressive regime and replacing it with a less oppressive democratic system is generally smiled upon.

And so is cutting the world's largest nuclear arsenal from around 7,000 to less than 1,700. That's usually a good thing, so far as peace is concerned.

Oh wait, you were trying to say that's a bad thing?

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I think that giving this prize to rudolph Guliani and the architect of the twins , will be a fantastic symbol. The Nobel prize will be given to The city of New york in the name of memory of the victims and the loss of monumental symbol of USA the twins towers, who where really astonishing.
For me : if you say Skycrepers , i will say New - York.
post #7 of 33
They gave it to Kissinger right at the end of the Vietnam War.

I saw a cool documentary recently, where they interviewed many of the Nobel Committee. It seems they often give the prize to those who they also wish were a little more peaceful.

Like Yasser Arafat when he got it - although I still don't get that one.

Oh well, Bush is still planning to build his 'peace laser' so maybe he deserves it.
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Like Yasser Arafat when he got it - although I still don't get that one.

Yeah i don't get that one either. Maybe they can revoke it?
post #9 of 33
When I read the title, I thought you were talking about those two Star Trek morons. I think Bush and Blair should win
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[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Like Yasser Arafat when he got it - although I still don't get that one.

Yeah i don't get that one either. Maybe they can revoke it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why should they? Because Bush said Arafat is a terrorist? "Hey they are not with us. Go bomb Oslo" <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

BTW. Harald Tom Nesvik nominated B&B (all members of the Norweigian parliament can nominate). It is not the most flattering thing in the world to be nominated by a member of Fremskrittspartiet. Like their danish sister party its clearly racist (the founder of the danish Fremskridtsparti said just four month ago that ALL immigrants (also political refugees) from Islamic countries is send by Iran to kill all danes. They all wait for the signal and then they will get their knives and cut the throats on all danes and one of their candidates to the last election denied the killing of jews during WWII). Even if B&B in some freak accident got the Nobel prize they should refuse to accept it because of who nominated them.
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The architect who designed the twin towers is dead. His name was Minoru Yamasaki, and he also designed the twin towers in Century City in LA

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post #12 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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Why should they? Because Bush said Arafat is a terrorist? "Hey they are not with us. Go bomb Oslo" <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

They should because Arafat is a terrorist.
post #13 of 33
bush, blair or guliani will never get the peace price - period.
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post #14 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Part of it may be that, BRussell, yes. Ousting an oppressive regime and replacing it with a less oppressive democratic system is generally smiled upon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hitting back against bin Laden was necessary, but it's ludicrous to suggest it deserves a Peace prize.
post #15 of 33
Hey, if a nuclear scientist can get one for saying "I'm sorry" why doesn't the man who has done more than anyone in history in regards nuclear disarmament deserve one?

Other than the fact that you dislike him, of course.
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post #16 of 33
The only concrete thing Bush has done so far regarding nuclear weapons is abandon one of the cornerstone nuclear-era treaties. Has even a single nuclear weapon been disarmed under Bush?

And what does this have to do with nuclear disarmament anyway? The nomination had nothing to do with that.
post #17 of 33
Get real. Someone working up tension by dividing the world in two ("Those with us bla bla") and putting stigmas on others ("axle of evil") should NEVER be considered for a Nobel prize.
This is truly a strange thread that would never have started if it haven´t been for a attention seeking member of the norwegian parliarment for a racist party.
People can agree or disagree on the actions taken under the label "war on terrorism" but noone in the nobel comity will take such a suggestion seriously.

Edit: NEVER instead of EVER.

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[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
<strong>I think that giving this prize to rudolph Guliani and the architect of the twins , will be a fantastic symbol.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh please. What have Guliani and Minoru Yamasaki done for peace? Guliani has done a great job for his citizents but lets keep things seperate.
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>The only concrete thing Bush has done so far regarding nuclear weapons is abandon one of the cornerstone nuclear-era treaties. Has even a single nuclear weapon been disarmed under Bush?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Give it a little time.

[quote]<strong>And what does this have to do with nuclear disarmament anyway? The nomination had nothing to do with that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just an example of how, maybe, despite your own bias it isn't such a foolish idea to nominate him.
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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Oh please. What have Guliani and Minoru Yamasaki done for peace? Guliani has done a great job for his citizents but lets keep things seperate.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he certainly helped create peace of the attacks in NYC and did a great job and went beyond what he was ever expected to do.

He deserves i just as much as the others named in this thread... not like that is saying much.. but still
post #21 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Just an example of how, maybe, despite your own bias it isn't such a foolish idea to nominate him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmm, you think George W. Bush should get a Nobel Peace prize and I don't, and I'm the one who's biased?
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I'm biased but I strive to be objective and even when I stretch I can't imagine a reason that Bush would be nominated .

. . . well considering that those that nominated him are racists and choose to misread the war as a war against the 'races' of Islam then I could see why they nominated him . . .bad reason though. And Not keeping a buncha rotting nuclear missiles around, that are just plain dangerous for everybody is somehow working for peace?!?! I could see that but it's pretty much of a stretch.
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post #23 of 33
Two off my head who deserve the prize more than B, B and G:

Powell
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post #24 of 33
It's probably just me, but I feel that the value of the Nobel Peace prize has been devalued in recent years. I'm not even submitting my annual claim any longer.

Perhaps it never really had much value, I ought to read a history of the prize I guess.

Though I don't think Rudolph Giuliani deserves a Nobel prize for his efforts, I have to agree with applenut - though I didn't like many of his mayoral decisions, I felt a lot safer having Uncle Rudi around after September 11.
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What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.

But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.

But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.

For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.

But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.

For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.

I think he also got a lot of sympathy. Before September 11 New Yorkers were strongly divided - either Giuliani was hard but fair, or a nasty little ratfaced gink. Afterwards, you had to feel sorry for the guy after a couple of planes ripped a hole a mile wide through his city and killed so many of it's inhabitants (and many workers under his charge).

That was one of the saddest moments for me - when he appeared not long after it all happened and had to introduce the new representatives of the Fire and Police departments because the usual faces the press were used to seeing were "missing".

Though losing all those thousands of people is horrible in itself, it must have been very hard for him to hear "his guys" as mayor were being lost in such numbers.
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[quote] he certainly helped create peace of the attacks in NYC and did a great job and went beyond what he was ever expected to do. <hr></blockquote>

He might have done all of the above but was it a NATIONAL or Global thing he did? No, it was his JOB to keep things under control in NY.

If people can get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing thier JOB I should get one... I just finished this magazine in RECORD time!

YAY FOR ME!!! I'll display it with pride!

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Wow, did I just create the worlds first 1.5x post?!
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.

But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you and the other people who bring up that arguement miss the point.

Guilianni did a great job. sure you can say that other people would have done the same but they didn't because they weren't in his position at the time. It's like saying I could have won a world series if I had just been on the yankees a year ago.

What did he do? He responded amazingly quick to the WTC when word reached him. Stayed amazingly calm, set orders for everyone, went and inspected the buildings and worked with his officials for a plan. when the towers collasped he was there to say his grievances and assure new yorkers and yes the United States that everyone should be calm and that everything was under control. He personally went to hundreds of memorials and funderals after attacks. He was a comfort for new yorkers in the days and months after the attack. He did his best to get aid and support from the government. He spoke to the United Nations. Then a plane crashes again in brooklyn, and he's there to do it all over again.

The guy loved being mayor and loved the city. We were able to relate to him and he made us confident that everything would eventually be safe.

Yea, Bush did a good job too, but what did he do that any other person wouldn't do?
post #31 of 33
In fact they are not many great candidate for the nobel prize of peace.


This last years, the nobel of peace where much more made of political considerations rather than real merits.
Nobel prize of peaces are a sort of diplomatical weapons.

i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.
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[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
<strong>In fact they are not many great candidate for the nobel prize of peace.


i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't worry i am not in danger to have any nobel prize

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post #33 of 33
I wonder whether Bush deserves the peace prize... defniitely NOT for his participation against Afghanistan, that was practically knee-jerk politics, and warlike as hell. but since he DID reduce the numebr of nuclear weeapons. .. Just maybe. Is there a good deal of money involved in the nObel prizes? Maybe he;'ll guive it to the Afghani children since he;s rich already.
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