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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,644538,00.html" target="_blank">Click to read</a>.

[quote] The organisers have been told by the International Olympic Committee to tone down overt shows of patriotism during the 2002 winter games' opening ceremony here on Friday and not to honour the victims of September 11.

"These games are held in the United States and we have deep respect and sympathy for everything that has happened since September 11," said Fran├žois Carrard, the IOC's director general. "But let's not forget the games is a universal event." The opening ceremony is being televised worldwide.
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The IOC needs to FOAD. Weren't the bribes big enough to cover this?
post #2 of 31
I completely support the IOCs position on this. There should be some sort of memorial or tribute at the beginning of the games to show respect, which should be an appropriate length. After that the media should be immpartial because this is an international event, not one giant plug for america patriotism.

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post #3 of 31
I agree with skip_112 and the IOC.

The Olympics are for the world, not just the US. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> A small tribute may be okay, but I would shun anything overt or of a great length. This is not the time nor place to mourn 9/11.
post #4 of 31
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[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>I agree with skip_112 and the IOC.

The Olympics are for the world, not just the US. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> A small tribute may be okay, but I would shun anything overt or of a great length. This is not the time nor place to mourn 9/11.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It seems almost any tribute is considered too big by the IOC:

From AP via <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28372-2002Feb5.html" target="_blank">the Washington Post</a>
[quote] The tattered flag from the World Trade Center will fly over the Winter Olympics, but U.S. athletes won't carry it into the opening ceremony as planned.

The IOC rejected the U.S. Olympic Committee's request to have five athletes and an official carry the flag that was recovered after the Sept. 11 attacks.
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post #5 of 31
Yea. We wouldn't want to offened anyone by remembering 9-11
post #6 of 31
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<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/06/olympics/06FLAG.html" target="_blank">NY Times article</a> on this controversy.
post #7 of 31
I don't think anything special has to happen but the Olympics thrive on Patriotism. I want ALL Americans to win their events. It's all good competition.
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post #8 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
<strong>It seems almost any tribute is considered too big by the IOC:

From AP via the Washington Pos</strong><hr></blockquote>

nor should they carry it in. isn't having it flying over the events more symbolic anyways? the IOC usuaully banns the national flag from being positioned with the olympic flag during the evnts. they are making the exception here.

the parade of participates or nations or whatever its called is not the place to be carrying the flag and would be out of line.

why does it mean so much too you? just because someone brought it up and they denied it?
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post #10 of 31
[quote]hmurchison
I don't think anything special has to happen but the Olympics thrive on Patriotism. I want ALL Americans to win their events. It's all good competition. <hr></blockquote>

Your right the Olympics thrive on Patriotism, the patriotism of ones country. But in an internationally broadcast event each country should be able to watch with out the bombardment of another countries patriotism. I believe this is the IOCs position, am i'm wrong in that conclusion?
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post #11 of 31
The IOC needs to STFU. We get to use what ever flag we want.

IOC = another reason I hate the french.

Those IOC crap bags wont allow the afghans to carry the new afghan flag. I guess they are using the old one? WTF?
post #12 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Those IOC crap bags wont allow the afghans to carry the new afghan flag. I guess they are using the old one? WTF?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can understand if the IOC wants to get past the WTC thing to some extent. We don't want to dwell on it too much and drag down what can be considered a chance to perk up our spirits a bit. I expect them to be reasonable.

But this issue of the new Afghani flag just makes me scratch my head. Samaranch was always very sympathetic to fascist and oppressive regimes. Perhaps his legacy lives on?
post #13 of 31
I know the real reason the IOC is anti-9-11.

Remember all those reports about people in other countries cheering the attacks. It was all pretty much true. Those dirty Palestinians, the Egyptians, the Greeks in France even. They cheered.

The IOC knows that if there's any special flag or remembrance that some of those people will be there and boo the US. All on TeeVee for the world to see. The IOC wants to hide the ugliness of these countries.
post #14 of 31
The IOC lecturing people to be objective and self-restrained is like The Rock lecturing little kids to manage their egos and not watch too much wrestling. Juan Antonio Samaranch (sp?) is one of the most highly visible (and corrupt) SOB's to walk the face of the earth. People who work for the IOC take bribes, favors and all kinds of unrestrained generosities ALL THE TIME - naturally from the countries who want to host the *next* Olympic games.

They haven't cleaned themelves up in the least since Atlanta, when if I remember correctly, Juan came out afterwards and said "ah yes, we took bribes and lavished ourselves greatly, so I'm going to fire everyone involved but myself." Bunch of egomaniacle HYP-O-CRITS...that's what the IOC is.

While I agree the Olympics shouldn't be about any one country, if they don't allow us to memorialize what happened in some meaningful way (in front of the world) besides just letting the tattered flag fly...then what a bunch of self-agrandizing jerk-offs they are. Too bad Juan sits in his own sky box after his announcement - it would be fun to watch Tkatchuk jump out of the procession and hook him in the teeth, the old bastard.

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post #15 of 31
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[quote]
<strong>Those IOC crap bags wont allow the afghans to carry the new afghan flag. I guess they are using the old one? WTF?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The <a href="http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/020207/1/2fvxn.html" target="_blank">IOC is denying</a> this charge.

[quote] An IOC spokesman denied they had ever received such a request. However, he said that had they been asked, the Olympic governing body would have vetoed the proposal.

"During the opening cermony, the march of the athletes under their national colours represents those who are actually competing in the event.

"There are no Afghan participants in Salt Lake City and there have never been any at the Games before," he said.

Another IOC official said: "For a fictitious Afghan delegation to parade, even symbolically, would be a political act incompatible with the Olympic charter."

The Afghanistan National Olympic Committee was suspended by the IOC in 1999 because it was judged not to be in control of sport in the country, which at the time was ruled by the fundamentalist Islamic Taliban militia.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
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Remember all those reports about people in other countries cheering the attacks. It was all pretty much true. Those dirty Palestinians, the Egyptians, the Greeks in France even. They cheered.

The IOC knows that if there's any special flag or remembrance that some of those people will be there and boo the US. All on TeeVee for the world to see. The IOC wants to hide the ugliness of these countries.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Scott you are going to far :
first what Greeks has to do in France ?

(perhaps a typo error : the Greeks, in France even at the place of the greeks in France even)

Second : what you say is a serious insult, that i can suffer. therefore i a m obliged to reply , because nobody can alloud people to say total craps like that



For those who dont remember september the 11, let me remind you that all french people where atonished (me at first ) by this horror. Let me remind you that New York city is a city where there is many resident foreigners, there where hundred of britains and germans deads and there where also french people who die there. Even if it was not the case, all french people that i know where under shock. In a strange way we where more under shock than in 1995 during terrorist aggressions In France supported by a certain Bin Laden.

So you hate France, Scott : it's your right, but it doesn't give you the right to say absolute bullshit

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post #17 of 31
Yea typo.

It's true though. I know your going to ask me for a news report. I'm sure I couldn't find one that old. In France, people celibrated.
post #18 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Yea typo.

It's true though. I know your going to ask me for a news report. I'm sure I couldn't find one that old. In France, people celibrated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You may be right, some people in France probably did celebrate.

But perhaps instead of posting something so blatantly inflammatory, you should have noted that France has a population of over 3 million Muslims.

I'd be willing to bet there were more than one or two Muslims in the US waving non-US flags that day, too.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Yea typo.

It's true though. I know your going to ask me for a news report. I'm sure I couldn't find one that old. In France, people celibrated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
less than 1 % of non educated muslims in poor quarter of city , (the same people that burns Cars in the same quarter, and are violent with cops and firemans) are non representative.
I am sure that they where people in the US who where happy to, but they where too scared to cheer in public.
There is also people who love Satan in US and France , does it means that US and France are evil country ?
One thing is sure, around me i haven't see anybody who was not under shock after the tragedia. Personnaly i was totally depressive during one week. So this accusation hurt me in a very bad way.
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[quote]
<strong>I'd be willing to bet there were more than one or two Muslims in the US waving non-US flags that day, too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Probably not in public.
post #21 of 31
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<a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-oly06feb06.story" target="_blank">How the IOC regards the US</a>.
post #22 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
<strong><a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-oly06feb06.story" target="_blank">How the IOC regards the US</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>
put politicians of many country in a small room and put a large amount of money in the center of the room : then look carrefully the show ...

post #23 of 31
Quote from the above article.

[quote]But it was a perception of bullying tactics that inflamed Canadian IOC member Dick Pound<hr></blockquote>



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post #24 of 31
Scott H.
IOC = another reason I hate the french.

It's true though. In France, people celibrated.

Gee, this guy is more irrelevant than any french minister ! Simply unbelievable ! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
post #25 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Hello (again):
<strong>Scott H.
IOC = another reason I hate the french.

It's true though. In France, people celibrated.

Gee, this guy is more irrelevant than any french minister ! Simply unbelievable ! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

What's unbelievable is that the French are such toads.
post #26 of 31
[quote]What's unbelievable is that the French are such toads. <hr></blockquote>

Okay Scott, you can keep up the name calling, because you really know it makes us respect your opinions.
post #27 of 31
Scott H, I pity you.
post #28 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by trick fall:
<strong>Scott H, I pity you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can I yank your chain some more? Here.

<a href="http://www.rowanatkinson.org/french.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rowanatkinson.org/french.htm</a>
post #29 of 31
Sorry, but only my wife gets to yank my chain. Pretty funny lyrics though.
post #30 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>It's true though. I know your going to ask me for a news report. I'm sure I couldn't find one that old. In France, people celibrated.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/terrorism/homefront/1125groupsb.html" target="_blank">Silly, isn't it ?</a>
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[quote]Originally posted by Hello (again):
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<a href="http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/terrorism/homefront/1125groupsb.html" target="_blank">Silly, isn't it ?</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

What are you trying to say? You're calling me a hate group?
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