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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

So you believe that becoming Born Again is supposed to instantly confer on someone a new nature and remove all sinful urges?

No...I don't believe irrational distorted myths.

I do believe that the early Church believed that and Christians now do not...as you so aptly prove.


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Forget Paul,

I try to.

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that doesn't even square with what Jesus taught.

True...it is a Pauline doctrine.

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Was Jesus himself not tempted?

That's what the man-made books say.

As to the theology of it - that's a different story. Can God be tempted? To what degree was Jesus God?

It is probably deeper than you care to imagine.

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Which disciples of Jesus ever reported being immune from sinful urges because of their faith?

I think Paul is quite explicit on the subject.
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post #202 of 204
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

You're equating Christianity with National Socialism and Satanism? I don't think most people would find that reasonable. I know I don't.

Don't think I was actually but seeing as you mention it I think you certainly could.

For example: Satanism is in effect a variant of Christianity as it accepts the Bible, accepts Jesus is who Christians believe it is - in fact Satanist believe everything that Christians believe (Devil is evil etc)....they just choose to side with the Devil.

As to National Socialism I think that the quotes from Hitler declaring his Christian faith and the Christian basis of Nazism are well-known to all informed and educated people.

I can provide them to you as well if you like.

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Christian principles, whether some adhere to them or not, don't have much in common with these belief systems.

As above...they both accept them. But no need to cite them...just look at the history of the Church with the Inquisition and the Crusades...both responsible for more death and what you might call 'evil' than the sum total of Nazi and Satanist activity.

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As for Islam, that is simply another religion.

Hardly simply - like all religions, it is quite complex. Maybe it appeals to some simpletons but then they all do to varying degrees.

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It's certainly not akin to Satanism (etc)...no more than Christianity is.

I am vaguely aware of that...I was connection with the masses and their mindset....

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Of course, there is a certain sect that calls for violent extremism in God's name. [/qutoe]

Really? What sect is that?

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But that's one small part. If Brit Hum was Muslim and he wanted to suggest Tiger convert to Islam to save himself, fine. But he's not, so it's so surprise.

Islam has non concept of salvation though....so that wouldn't work...and Tiger could have 4 wives anyway so it's all cool...

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Who exactly is "besmirching" his name?

Too long a list...

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And are you indicting ALL Christians as frauds? It certainly seems like it.

What is a fraud? Can you be a sincere fraud? If someone stubbornly denies the truth in favour of fairy tales they may be sincere...they may even be good...but maybe they ARE a fraud..what do you think?

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You are clearly ignorant of what the vast majority of Christians believe.

I wish I was.

Unfortunately, I do have a certain experience in the area. I admittedly ignorant of some US derivations but I would say that they are fortunately not really the benchmark....

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While there are certainly those who don't meet Christian principles, there are many that live their lives according to those principles every day. I've known many devout Christians. I don't like all of them, but the majority are great people of faith.

Well...there you have it...I dispute that Christ was actually starting a 'faith'.

And besides...faith is only necessary in the absence of knowledge.
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Originally Posted by segovius View Post

No...I don't believe irrational distorted myths.

I do believe that the early Church believed that and Christians now do not...as you so aptly prove.




I try to.



True...it is a Pauline doctrine.



That's what the man-made books say.

As to the theology of it - that's a different story. Can God be tempted? To what degree was Jesus God?

It is probably deeper than you care to imagine.



I think Paul is quite explicit on the subject.

So let me get this straight.

You don't believe the Bible is an accurate source of history or spiritual authority.

You don't believe Paul's teachings accurately follows Jesus' teachings. But you believe Paul taught that those who become Born Again instantly gain a new nature that removes all sinful urges.

This is in clear contrast to the historical Christian belief that Man's new nature only comes after this life "When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality" (1 Cor. 15:54.)

You believe the Early Church believed your version, which you cannot seem to verify with either a scripture quote or quote from the writings of any of the Early Church disciples.
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No...I don't believe irrational distorted myths.

I do believe that the early Church believed that and Christians now do not...as you so aptly prove.

Evidence of this? I don't claim to know everything, but I do like to see evidence to back your position if you are going to challenge what many feel is a fundamental tenet of their beliefs.

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I try to.

True...it is a Pauline doctrine.

That's what the man-made books say.

As to the theology of it - that's a different story. Can God be tempted? To what degree was Jesus God?

It is probably deeper than you care to imagine.

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In the beginning was the word. The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

He became flesh so he was able to be tempted like anyone else. The difference was, he did not succumb to temptation. Not too difficult to understand. You can make it harder if you want.

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I think Paul is quite explicit on the subject.

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/artic...-struggle.html
Is a fairly good accounting of and article about Pauls talk about the sinful nature that he openly wrote of struggling with. Romans 6 and 7 are what it focuses on. Your assertions appear to be off a bit.
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