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They were growing quickly, but not as fast as Android is today. The fact is, the total market for android software is big enough now to attract major efforts similar to the console game market with Xbox, Wii and PS3 where it's hard to find a great game that is exclusive to one. The point being, at a certain point the App race is over and it's within view.

We agree pretty much completely: The app race is pretty much drawing to a close.

There are no missing "killer apps", except perhaps in a few niche areas, and that will soon change.
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We agree pretty much completely: The app race is pretty much drawing to a close.

There are no missing "killer apps", except perhaps in a few niche areas, and that will soon change.

I think it's cute that you take me to task for "making stuff up" and move immediately to pull a blanket assertion out of your ass.

Of course, you can simply choose to declare the apps available for Android to be "killer", and anything that isn't to be "niche", but that would be very obviously stacking the deck to support a shaky supposition, and we wouldn't want that, would we?

The fact remains that it's pretty dubious you to be the one to decide, for every user, what constitutes "must have" or "killer" apps. Sure, there are some mainstream genres that most users will want examples of, and, as I've said, I have no doubt that on that count Android will serve.

But there's no explaining away the fact that the further one moves from those few genres, the more likely it is that more apps will give any given user a shot at what that particular user might want. As has been explained over and over again, while any given user is unlikely to use more than a handful of the apps available, it's unlikely that any given user will use the same handful.

It's pretty clear that a deep catalog of applications is a competitive advantage for the iPhone, just as it's clear that for some posters here competitive advantages for the iPhone must be explained or rationalized away. That doesn't make those rationalizations compelling, it just makes the posters seem blinkered and stubborn.
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post #163 of 235
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We agree pretty much completely: The app race is pretty much drawing to a close.

There are no missing "killer apps", except perhaps in a few niche areas, and that will soon change.

You think Twitter and Facebook are niche areas of consumer interest? Find my the best apps for Android and well compare to the iPhone.
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post #164 of 235
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You think Twitter and Facebook are niche areas of consumer interest? Find my the best apps for Android and well compare to the iPhone.

But remember, quality doesn't matter. The things that make iPhones apps a pleasure to use are just "pretty", and real men don't do pretty.
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But remember, quality doesn't matter. The things that make iPhones apps a pleasure to use are just "pretty", and real men don't do pretty.

Real men apparently dont do accurate, either.

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post #166 of 235
I had to register to comment because the amount of fanboyism being demonstrated is beyond ridiculous.

I own both the Droid and an Omnia2 so I can speak from experience on Android in comparison to another OS.

First let me comment on the sunlight/AMOLED criticism. The OLED screens have some issues with visibility in sunlight, not as much as any other screentype however. My O2 produces a much better display then non-AMOLED phone and to argue that would be dumb.

As far as iPhone and Android apps, most are child's play which is why I gave my Droid to my wife, she needs a simple phone much like most iPhone consumers.

Neither iPhone or Android are capable of playing all video formats-sad. Neither can tether wireless free of charge-another fail.

Apple cons-regulated to iTunes, not sure why people see this as a plus when I can download any movie/app or music title free of charge over the internet on WinMo. Also the lack of many basic smartphone features is not excused by taking years to implement on a higher quality, it should not take years to add copy/paste/SMS,tethering,video recording and other basic features.

Android cons-at this point regulated to MP4, which is fine if you have no plans on streaming video to television. Applications can sometimes have issues being compatible between OS versions. Hardware specs are just catching up to WinMo,Symbian and Apple.

If I had to choose between Android and iPhone I would definitely go with the Moto Droid for it's keyboard among other things. Both have multi-touch, the most useless feature on a smartphone, as well as capacitive screens. The Droid however has unbelievable voice controls and the GPS is the best on the market, not the phone market but the entire GPS market.

However I will stick to WinMo because there is absolutely nothing it can't do and the hardware on the O2 makes both Droid and iPhone seem like child's play.
post #167 of 235
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I had to register to comment because the amount of fanboyism being demonstrated is beyond ridiculous.

I own both the Droid and an Omnia2 so I can speak from experience on Android in comparison to another OS.

First let me comment on the sunlight/AMOLED criticism. The OLED screens have some issues with visibility in sunlight, not as much as any other screentype however. My O2 produces a much better display then non-AMOLED phone and to argue that would be dumb.

As far as iPhone and Android apps, most are child's play which is why I gave my Droid to my wife, she needs a simple phone much like most iPhone consumers.

Neither iPhone or Android are capable of playing all video formats-sad. Neither can tether wireless free of charge-another fail.

Apple cons-regulated to iTunes, not sure why people see this as a plus when I can download any movie/app or music title free of charge over the internet on WinMo. Also the lack of many basic smartphone features is not excused by taking years to implement on a higher quality, it should not take years to add copy/paste/SMS,tethering,video recording and other basic features.

Android cons-at this point regulated to MP4, which is fine if you have no plans on streaming video to television. Applications can sometimes have issues being compatible between OS versions. Hardware specs are just catching up to WinMo,Symbian and Apple.

If I had to choose between Android and iPhone I would definitely go with the Moto Droid for it's keyboard among other things. Both have multi-touch, the most useless feature on a smartphone, as well as capacitive screens. The Droid however has unbelievable voice controls and the GPS is the best on the market, not the phone market but the entire GPS market.

However I will stick to WinMo because there is absolutely nothing it can't do and the hardware on the O2 makes both Droid and iPhone seem like child's play.

Welcome to the forum. You make some fair points and good observations but your contention that copy/paste should have taken so long is questionable.

I have no idea how long it took or if Apple had it waiting for v3.0 for marketing reasons, but I do no that the way it works is ideal for the device and works absolutely great. You cant just make it work like desktop OS where keyboard shortcuts and right/option-clicking are the norm. No other has copy/paste half as good as Apples implementation which goes to show you that the old adage measure twice, cut once can be very beneficial, even if it does take you a little but longer to get it out the door.

My biggest issue with your comment, "Both have multi-touch, the most useless feature on a smartphone, as well as capacitive screens. Seriously? These are the features that made smartphones viable for the average person. The features that allowed for the use of the whole screen without a horrible plastic keyboard getting in the way of screen real estate or overall size. Are you suggesting that a stylus or that resistive single-touchscreen on the Storm are better ways to go with a touchscreen or that touchscreen technology altogether should go away in favour of tiny screens filled up by plastic keyboard?
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post #168 of 235
yea, I saw this too. Made me wonder. I have a kids paint app on my droid and drew lines in the same pattern, but they are perfectly straight. Not sure what the implication of this test is.

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Real men apparently dont do accurate, either.

post #169 of 235
Just the mutli-touch portion, the capacitive has it's advantages. Probably should have worded my comments better.

Got to go, have a good one.
post #170 of 235
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yea, I saw this too. Made me wonder. I have a kids paint app on my droid and drew lines in the same pattern, but they are perfectly straight. Not sure what the implication of this test is.

I wonder if an app can up the refresh time that the display uses to grab points.

Did you go as slowly as they did in the video?
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post #171 of 235
For the sake of healthy discussion, I'll list my favorite android apps.

Swype keyboard - type much faster in portrait mode with one thumb than two thumbs in landscape
Speech input for any text field on Android 2.1 - great while driving
PdaNet - Tethering
imusic - mp3 downloads, must be funded by advertising?
Google Voice - need I say more? free integrated sms
Google Nav with speech input "navigate to 123 main street"
Google Latitude - background location services, alerts
Locale - location and time aware ring profiles, display brightness, app syncing
Gallery 2.1 - by cooliris, very 3d
Shazam - yea we all got that one
Photoshop Mobile
Google Goggles
Metal Detector - for the dog and pony show like many iphone apps, lol
Weather widget - icon displays 'actual' temp and conditions, not 73 and sunny
SipDroid - VOIP calling over 3G or wifi. Inbound and outbound, runs in background.
Google Sky - like google earth for the stars. Dog and pony fodder
Qik - 720x480 live video streaming
Push Gmail
Google Tracks - gps tracking for hiking, jogging, biking. Runs in the background.

No shortage of excellent apps, in my opinion.

What's hard to describe is the integration. For example, Tracks is integrated into Maps and Docs. It will upload your tracking data and it's not held with a little startup that may be gone next month. Latitude is integrated with Google Talk. They blend. It's a rich experience.

With my ipod touch, I get to experience a lot of what apple has to offer and it's impressive, but in a different way. With android, I feel the love, but with Apple it's like a having lunch with a sales rep.





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You think Twitter and Facebook are niche areas of consumer interest? Find my the best apps for Android and well compare to the iPhone.
post #172 of 235
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I had to register to comment because the amount of fanboyism being demonstrated is beyond ridiculous.

I own both the Droid and an Omnia2 so I can speak from experience on Android in comparison to another OS.

First let me comment on the sunlight/AMOLED criticism. The OLED screens have some issues with visibility in sunlight, not as much as any other screentype however. My O2 produces a much better display then non-AMOLED phone and to argue that would be dumb.

As far as iPhone and Android apps, most are child's play which is why I gave my Droid to my wife, she needs a simple phone much like most iPhone consumers.

Neither iPhone or Android are capable of playing all video formats-sad. Neither can tether wireless free of charge-another fail.

Apple cons-regulated to iTunes, not sure why people see this as a plus when I can download any movie/app or music title free of charge over the internet on WinMo. Also the lack of many basic smartphone features is not excused by taking years to implement on a higher quality, it should not take years to add copy/paste/SMS,tethering,video recording and other basic features.

Android cons-at this point regulated to MP4, which is fine if you have no plans on streaming video to television. Applications can sometimes have issues being compatible between OS versions. Hardware specs are just catching up to WinMo,Symbian and Apple.

If I had to choose between Android and iPhone I would definitely go with the Moto Droid for it's keyboard among other things. Both have multi-touch, the most useless feature on a smartphone, as well as capacitive screens. The Droid however has unbelievable voice controls and the GPS is the best on the market, not the phone market but the entire GPS market.

However I will stick to WinMo because there is absolutely nothing it can't do and the hardware on the O2 makes both Droid and iPhone seem like child's play.

Um, you "had to register" on an Apple site to correct the "fanboyism" that is "beyond ridiculous"?

Because what, you can't sleep at night knowing those Apple people are slandering your hardware without correction?

Pot, meet kettle.
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post #173 of 235
Yea, you're right, they aren't as straight when going slow. Must be a difference in the averaging.

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I wonder if an app can up the refresh time that the display uses to grab points.

Did you go as slowly as they did in the video?
post #174 of 235
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It's pretty clear that a deep catalog of applications is a competitive advantage for the iPhone, just as it's clear that for some posters here competitive advantages for the iPhone must be explained or rationalized away. That doesn't make those rationalizations compelling, it just makes the posters seem blinkered and stubborn.


Here's a good article on the subject:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10432114-16.html
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I think it's cute that you take me to task for "making stuff up" and move immediately to pull a blanket assertion out of your ass.

Yep. I should have said "based upon what I have seen in the rabid media, who would be likely to pounce upon and analyze to death any scrap of shortcoming from any quarter in their current 'phone wars, "... [t]here [seem to be] no missing "killer apps", except perhaps in a few niche areas, and [I expect] that will soon change.

I'll try to properly qualify stuff in the future.
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You think Twitter and Facebook are niche areas of consumer interest? Find my the best apps for Android and well compare to the iPhone.

No, I don't think that. Are Twitter and Facebook missing from Android?
post #177 of 235
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For the sake of healthy discussion, I'll list my favorite android apps.


For the sake of healthy discussion, do you find any glaring omissions in the offerings at the Android Store?

Apple, of course, has lots of unavailable apps. That is the reason why the Cydia store exists. I use apps from Cydia on a daily basis.
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No, I don't think that. Are Twitter and Facebook missing from Android?

Have you used them on both devices? There is nothing killer about those poorly designed apps for Android. Tecnically having the app isnt the same as having a killer app.
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Have you used them on both devices? There is nothing killer about those poorly designed apps for Android. Tecnically having the app isnt the same as having a killer app.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...onal-thoughts/

But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. Im talking about quality re-read the word quality applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. Theres not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application thats on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform thats better than the iPhone counterpart, Ill send you a BGR Ninja hat.

Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual experience of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market dont work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One the comments and reviews on apps are worse than Sidekick users AIM screen names, theres no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what theyre doing, youre basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while theyre bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, youre already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerrys email application is flawless. Apples web browser is flawless. But theres not a single application on Android that doesnt have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)

Heres another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android wont be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders arent designers. Its really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what Im talking about. Thats why Apples entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apples developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. Thats entirely different from someone whos the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you wont see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.
If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and youll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apples event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then Ill write another review.
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...Don't get me wrong, the iPhone as a device is spectacular, but the other parts I described are not. I hope Android will bring enough to the table to make Apple rethink their strategy and become more user friendly. Forbidding their users from taking advantage of certain apps seems crazy to me. It should be a basic liberty. I have a feeling a lot of things will change this summer.

This is great point. For me, this policy is crazy too. What's even worse, Apple tries to play "this is only way how to do a secure platform" note, which is just dumb lie. Hope this will change soon.
post #181 of 235
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Have you used them on both devices? There is nothing killer about those poorly designed apps for Android. Tecnically having the app isnt the same as having a killer app.

Actually, I've never used them on either device.
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[url]If you can find an application on the Android platform thats better than the iPhone counterpart, Ill send you a BGR Ninja hat.

Have you got enough hats ready ? For example, Maps are much better on Android.
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http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...onal-thoughts/

But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. Im talking about quality re-read the word quality applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. Theres not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application thats on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform thats better than the iPhone counterpart, Ill send you a BGR Ninja hat.

Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual experience of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market dont work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One the comments and reviews on apps are worse than Sidekick users AIM screen names, theres no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what theyre doing, youre basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while theyre bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, youre already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerrys email application is flawless. Apples web browser is flawless. But theres not a single application on Android that doesnt have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)

Heres another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android wont be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders arent designers. Its really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what Im talking about. Thats why Apples entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apples developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. Thats entirely different from someone whos the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you wont see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.
If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and youll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apples event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then Ill write another review.

Very very interesting. Thanks. I'll read the whole thing, and part 1 as well.
post #184 of 235
Solip,

Can I ask if you have ever owned an android device or spent any reasonable amount of time with a Droid or Nexus One? Not trying to come across like jerk, just curious.

Looking at the facebook apps on either platform, I would agree the iphone version is further developed. Can't say the same for Twitterific or Twitterfon. Maybe I need a pay app? I'm just as happy with Twidroid or Swift on Android.

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Have you used them on both devices? There is nothing killer about those poorly designed apps for Android. Tecnically having the app isnt the same as having a killer app.
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Have you got enough hats ready ? For example, Maps are much better on Android.

I much prefer Maps on the iPhone over every other Android. Lack of multitouch, less refinement all around. Its just much better thought out on the iPhone. The whole Latitudes thing is a novelty. Speaking your address may be useful to some, and that is great, but Id wager most people simply dont use the voice command features of their phones.

The closed system about the iPhone you spit at does have the advantage of have the integrated system that you ignore which makes integrating map access into all other aspects of the device very elegant. Everything on Android feels like it was thought of by a committee of coders and then beaten into place without a single regard for the consumer or actual usability, only what can be printed out on a spec sheet.
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post #186 of 235
He raises many valid points, sure, but when he goes into 'designer vs coder', as if no one in silicon valley except apple employees can create well designed products, my eyes start to roll.

iphone OS is more polished, it's more developed, yes it is. Unfortunately, in my opinion, it doesn't compensate for the restrictions and high cost.

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Solip,

Can I ask if you have ever owned an android device or spent any reasonable amount of time with a Droid or Nexus One? Not trying to come across like jerk, just curious.

Looking at the facebook apps on either platform, I would agree the iphone version is further developed. Can't say the same for Twitterific or Twitterfon. Maybe I need a pay app? I'm just as happy with Twidroid or Swift on Android.

HTC G1, Moto Droid, Pre and Storm 1, yes, but all returned within trial period. Nexus One, HTC Droid Eris, Pixi and Storm 2, no. Would like to play with Nexus One but won’t be testing this one out. I think I’m done with trying out new phones unless something really striking comes along. It’s not expensive, but it can be a hassle.

Check out Tweetie 2. Nothing on Android comes close to it, but nothing else on the iPhone comes close to it either so perhaps we should call that a push or instead question why that app isn’t at Market.

http://www.atebits.com/tweetie-iphone/screenshots/

Beejive is a great IM client. So good that I paid $10 for it after trying it out for free on my jailbroken iPhone. (I hope that Apple includes an app trial period option for developers. It;s not like they don’t have the technology since FairPlay movie rentals use exploding media DRM.) Beejive looks busy in those screenshots but only to show off the options.

http://www.beejive.com/iphone/

PS: Both have Push Notifications as an option so you can be connected without running the apps. Now all Apple has to do is make their notification system more inline with Android and WebOS, an area they clearly trounce the iPhone.
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He raises many valid points, sure, but when he goes into 'designer vs coder', as if no one in silicon valley except apple employees can create well designed products, my eyes start to roll.

iphone OS is more polished, it's more developed, yes it is. Unfortunately, in my opinion, it doesn't compensate for the restrictions and high cost.

He’s not saying that others “can’t”, merely that others usually “don’t”. Check out this meeting with the Segway. It gives some good insights into how Steve Jobs thinks and why Apple is in the place it is today.

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/3533.html
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"What does everyone think about the design?" asked Doerr, switching subjects.

"What do you think?" said Jobs to Tim. It was a challenge, not a question.

"I think it's coming along," said Tim, "though we expect—" "I think it sucks!" said Jobs.

His vehemence made Tim pause. "Why?" he asked, a bit stiffly.

"It just does."

"In what sense?" said Tim, getting his feet back under him. "Give me a clue."

"Its shape is not innovative, it's not elegant, it doesn't feel anthropomorphic," said Jobs, ticking off three of his design mantras.

"You have this incredibly innovative machine but it looks very traditional." The last word delivered like a stab. Doug Field and Scott Waters would have felt the wound; they admired Apple's design sense. Dean's intuition not to bring Doug had been right. "There are design firms out there that could come up with things we've never thought of," Jobs continued, "things that would make you shit in your pants."


PS: Is you restrictions and cost comment referring to price and/or time for developers and/or consumers?
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To the contrary. Latitude is the bomb. It's not something you actively use like a game or email, it's most useful for me when I'm curious to know where one of my latitude buddies is, like if we're planning to meet. I don't have to call or text, I just see where they are. Other than that, it's great during that 'dead time' at the dentist, etc. I find it pretty entertaining now with about 12 friends in my list to go thru them all and watch the map fly around. I'd say I use it 4 or 5 times a week and really like it. Don't spend a lot of time with it, but it's awesome to have.

There is now a feature where it will notify two people if you are near each other at a time when you normally are not. It learns your normal routine for the first week or so. Not a novelty, not at all. It's very cool. Very apple like.

Voice commands. Invaluable when driving and need to input nav destination, when searching the web with a long search string or to draft an important message(s) while driving. It's very fast and accurate too. Google makes it easy in each case with a mic button on the keyboard for input in any text field and in the car nav interface.



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The whole Latitudes thing is a novelty. Speaking your address may be useful to some, and that is great, but Id wager most people simply dont use the voice command features of their phones.
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Apple's chosen path of restricting apps leads directly to higher cost for consumers relative to all other handset makers.

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PS: Is you restrictions and cost comment referring to price and/or time for developers and/or consumers?
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Apple's chosen path of restricting apps leads directly to higher cost for consumers relative to all other handset makers.

Youre honestly trying to say that the Apples App Store apps are more expensive for consumers despite the clear evidence that they are cheaper than other platforms?
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #192 of 235
Beejive is great. You're right.

It's pretty clear that the iPhone will be on Verizon this summer, if I'm not being overly optimistic. It will be very interesting to see what other changes come to the ecosystem. Android is the greatest threat and continues to grow, but competition is good for us all. I look forward to apple laying down something irresistible.

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Beejive is a great IM client. So good that I paid $10 for it after trying it out for free on my jailbroken iPhone. (I hope that Apple includes an app trial period option for developers. It;s not like they dont have the technology since FairPlay movie rentals use exploding media DRM.) Beejive looks busy in those screenshots but only to show off the options.

PS: Both have Push Notifications as an option so you can be connected without running the apps. Now all Apple has to do is make their notification system more inline with Android and WebOS, an area they clearly trounce the iPhone.
post #193 of 235
No, I'm saying that by restricting apps like GV force the customer to pay a higher monthly rate.

I haven't investigated app pricing, but I've spent less than $5 on my ipod touch, droid and blackberries combined. (wait, I bought vlingo on bb, paid $18, crazy I know)

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Youre honestly trying to say that the Apples App Store apps are more expensive for consumers despite the clear evidence that they are cheaper than other platforms?
post #194 of 235
Its because there are several different apps that basically do the same thing. The specific way Google Voice works may be unique, but its purpose is not. The purpose of all of the alternative voice/text apps is to save people money on voice/text. That is not unique to Google Voice.

Every app may accomplish this task in different ways, but my point is its essentially what they all do.

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I made a simple claim that GV functionality cannot be duplicated with other apps. You counter, but never explain. I know of other IM apps like AIM and there are GV calling workarounds, but they really don't stand up. That's like me saying android has a music player just like itunes. Yes, it plays songs and playlists.

GV has the potential to save people 25 to 50% on their cell bill, cut it in half! This is real money, not to be overlooked. More with Navigation, more with background location services.
post #195 of 235
How does Google Voice on a Verizon Droid save you money if you are in Europe?

An AT&T iPhone with Skype or Vonage can save you money in Europe.

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No, I'm saying that by restricting apps like GV force the customer to pay a higher monthly rate.
post #196 of 235
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Originally Posted by absolutshame View Post

As far as iPhone and Android apps, most are child's play which is why I gave my Droid to my wife, she needs a simple phone much like most iPhone consumers.

I work in the film/video industry. My industry is becoming over run with the iPhone/iTouch because of the rich number of excellent apps that can be used in productions. That are not available on any other mobile platform.

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Neither iPhone or Android are capable of playing all video formats-sad. Neither can tether wireless free of charge-another fail.

There is no need for a phone to play all video formats. You would understand that if you understood the difference between video codecs. H.264 is the most efficient video codec for playback on a device with limited resources and limited battery life.

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Apple cons-regulated to iTunes, not sure why people see this as a plus when I can download any movie/app or music title free of charge over the internet on WinMo. Also the lack of many basic smartphone features is not excused by taking years to implement on a higher quality, it should not take years to add copy/paste/SMS,tethering,video recording and other basic features.

Actually you can put any video or audio content you choose on the iPhone, you don't have to purchase it.

Apple chooses to take its time in implementing features when they feel it works the way they want it to work. Simply because you see no value in that methodology does not mean it has no value. The high consumer rating for the iPhone and the relatively medium to low consumer rating for most every other phone shows the difference.

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Android cons-at this point regulated to MP4, which is fine if you have no plans on streaming video to television.

I'm sorry, you really have no idea what you are talking about.
post #197 of 235
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

I work in the film/video industry. My industry is becoming over run with the iPhone/iTouch because of the rich number of excellent apps that can be used in productions. That are not available on any other mobile platform.

That's a point that has merit, if you have apps, that are only available there, its clearly best platform for you. Can you provide some names of the applications ? I wonder how long it will it take get these applications on other platforms too.
post #198 of 235
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How does Google Voice on a Verizon Droid save you money if you are in Europe?

An AT&T iPhone with Skype or Vonage can save you money in Europe.

There is Fring, which works on Skype network and SIPDroid and both work very well in Europe. Plus Skype on iPhone is really painful as you appear offline once your application is not in the foreground.
post #199 of 235
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I much prefer Maps on the iPhone over every other Android. Lack of multitouch, less refinement all around. Its just much better thought out on the iPhone. The whole Latitudes thing is a novelty. Speaking your address may be useful to some, and that is great, but Id wager most people simply dont use the voice command features of their phones.

If you discount the superior features of Maps on Android and say the iPhone version is better because of multitouch (nice, but OK to live without) and unspecified "refinement" without having those features, that are available on Android, really qualifies you as Fanboy. Hey, iPhone's great and the transition effects are second to none, but try to be a little objective at least in some evident cases like this one.

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The closed system about the iPhone you spit at does have the advantage of have the integrated system that you ignore which makes integrating map access into all other aspects of the device very elegant. Everything on Android feels like it was thought of by a committee of coders and then beaten into place without a single regard for the consumer or actual usability, only what can be printed out on a spec sheet.

Funny. I don't know how "closed system" integrates application better. Android has application integration built in. Thats BTW another great feature of Maps...it can be used as "system component" by third party. Need to display turn-by-turn navigation how to get somewhere from your application ? No need to code this, just call Maps. Unlike on iPhone, on Android it really feels integrated (at least you can get easily back to point where you came from).
post #200 of 235
You wouldn't buy a Droid if you needed to make calls in Europe, but I suppose you could make skype calls over wifi or using Sipdroid may be cheaper.

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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

How does Google Voice on a Verizon Droid save you money if you are in Europe?

An AT&T iPhone with Skype or Vonage can save you money in Europe.
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