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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

Exactly. You do, however, expect someone to edit the piece before it goes live, right? THAT clearly didn't happen... Seemed like there was a glaring editing oversight just about every other paragraph. It got quite distracting!

Being the expert that you profess to be, perhaps you could direct us to your review, or at least, expound the 'oversights' that you found so distracting.

By your count, there are about twenty out of the 40 paragraphs that fit your criteria and you should be able to address them quickly.
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I think this is a great article.

Some more points:

1) The iPhone is part of a system that Apple has worked hard to develop. This includes syncing with iTunes, iCal, AddressBook, and MobileMe. How about "Find my iPhone?" Can the Nexus One do all this?

2) It's not just the number of Apps, although Apple keeps pointing out how big their App Store is. It's the variety and quality. And some unique Apps that other App stores don't have. The first mover advantage is huge for Apple.

3) Worldwide distribution and one basic phone model. That gives Apple a huge advantage in terms of economies of scale.

4) Google is the first "manufacturer(?)" of a smartphone that is selling it unlocked here in the U.S. I believe that eventually we are going to the "no contract, unlocked phone" business model, where consumers buy their phone and service separately. Apple will benefit more from this business model than anyone else. I think that rather than have a different phone for every carrier, they will make one that works with any carrier, GSM or CDMA, or 4G, or whatever.
post #43 of 235
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Originally Posted by union View Post

I have a Nexus One and the screen is fine during daylight. As for saying the 5mp camera is too much for the chip is absurd, the pictures come out clear without any grain and the video capture is really good. I also don't know who at engaget reviewed the speech to text feature, maybe they had a lisp or mumbled a lot, because I have only had it miss words a couple times and have been using it extensively to text, email, and search. The Nexus One uses micro usb, not mini usb. The statement of a vague promise of delivering the Nexus One to Verizon is silly, on the Nexus One page it says "Spring 2010" which is a lot less vague than rumors of the iPhone making it to verizon.

I'd have to agree with your post pretty well, especially your last statement. I thought that was way too messed up in the article.
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post #44 of 235
It's quite irresponsible to publish a comparative article when you have never used one of the items being compared.

It leaves you at the mercy of others opinions, which are sometimes incorrect. For example, your cited engadget opinions are completely wrong.

But then your writing is obviously strongly biased. There are real issues with Android and the N1, none of which do you touch on or appear to be aware of. Instead it's just more Apple sycophant claims that Apple invented everything good (they didn't), and that everything else is just a poor imitation.

Worst, your writing is badly in need of proofreading.

GR
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It's quite irresponsible to publish a comparative article when you have never used one of the items being compared.

It leaves you at the mercy of others opinions, which are sometimes incorrect. For example, your cited engadget opinions are completely wrong.

But then your writing is obviously strongly biased. There are real issues with Android and the N1, none of which do you touch on or appear to be aware of. Instead it's just more Apple sycophant claims that Apple invented everything good (they didn't), and that everything else is just a poor imitation.

Worst, your writing is badly in need of proofreading.

GR

As one who is greatly involved in writing/reading/editing clinical trials, it is imperative that one considers the protocol underwhich the authors conducted it.

As per this article, the author clearly states his intent, i.e.,

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Google has taken the fate of its Android smartphone platform into its own hands by promoting and directly marketing HTC's latest new Android phone under its own brand. How does the new "superphone" stack up to last summer's iPhone 3GS?

AppleInsider has presented a series of articles on how Android stacks up against Apple's iPhone OS as a platform in general terms. In this article, we'll consider the hardware specifics of the latest offering from Google's partner.

and he sticks to it quite closely.

It is amazing the unabashed comments that come from, particularly trolls, first timers.

As the saying goes, the truth hurts and is obviously evident by some of the negative commentators here.
post #46 of 235
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Why come to appleinsider for a review comparing a competitor's product to Apple?

That's like going to Ford.com to review the new Chevy Pickup..

I think it's because despite the fact that this is an Apple News Fansite, a lot of people on this site have a level of respect for what Google is doing, I do. Personally, i thought the article was nit-picking a bit too much in Apple's favor with the N1, but over all it points out the obvious and slightly pushes it toward Apple's favor.

On point i thought was kind of misleading was the OLED screen on the N1 as too dim in daylight, but it doesn't mention that the iPHone has the same issue. My 3G is ok in the car in daylight, but when direct sunlight is shining down and i'm in the shade, it's still difficult to see.
post #47 of 235
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I think it's because despite the fact that this is an Apple News Fansite, a lot of people on this site have a level of respect for what Google is doing, I do. Personally, i thought the article was nit-picking a bit too much in Apple's favor with the N1, but over all it points out the obvious and slightly pushes it toward Apple's favor.

On point i thought was kind of misleading was the OLED screen on the N1 as too dim in daylight, but it doesn't mention that the iPHone has the same issue. My 3G is ok in the car in daylight, but when direct sunlight is shining down and i'm in the shade, it's still difficult to see.

I think the point is the LTPS TFT does better in sunlight and the OLED looks better in shade. To get decent performance in sunlight the manufacture turns up the screen brightness but that reduces battery life. It is all a bunch of engineering trade-offs. I agree with Prince currently Apples LTPS TFT display is a better choice but the OLED is getting better with each generation. The battery savings from the use of OLED is lost because of having to turn up the brightness and the cost of OLED is higher which cuts into profit. If you really want great in sunlight performance, then Eink displays win hands down, but they are currently only black and white and have extremely slow switching compared to LCD. I would be surprise if apple switches to OLED this year. They can still get alot from the LTPS LCD and none of the manufactures are set up to deliver 50M OLED panels to support the IPhone/Itouch.
post #48 of 235
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I think that Nexus One is just another android device. Maybe it will sell as many units as Moto Droid, but seeing as it is T-Mobile only, which does not have a very big network coverage it might sell even less. So far android is a disappointment, as I expected it to be a SINGLE os for ALL devices.

I think you and many others (including AI) are missing the fact that the N1 is not on a closed network. You can purchase the unlocked phone and use any network you want. It just so happens that T-Mobile is the only one available now. But it looks like Sprint and Verizon are opening it's doors to the N1 "coming 2010". So there's another point of how this article is a little bit of a spin...

Personally, i think getting the unlocked phone is the better deal. Then you could shop around without having to sign a contract every 2 years or so. But it comes with a price.

I think you're right that Android is a bit of a disappointment. However, it's a disappointment that it's not more successful. I kind of hoped that Android would squash the competition(save for the iPhone...), since Google is the most popular search engine, you'd think it would be a little more popular. But part of the problem is that it's just the software, and software is only as good as its best hardware. and the hardware is not that good. I've never been impressed by HTC products. Very cheap and sloppy workmanship.

I think it primarily boils down to marketing. I think 25% of why Apple is so successful is because they know how to market a product. The other 75% has to do with identifying what the masses need in a product and making it the best they possibly can...so good in fact that people can't help but want it. Had Google marketed themselves better, i think they would be in much better shape.

Look at the Chrome browser, I love this browser and it's really fast. As AI posted, even faster than Safari in most cases. But it's still at the lower end of the user-ship. but i digress.
post #49 of 235
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You sound like you are too easily confused to do anything except to buy the one phone offered by Apple. It is a good thing Apple exists. Their branding strategy comforts you.

For the rest of us, choice is seen as a good thing.

Then why don't you answer his questions instead of making amartass comments?

Here, in case you missed it in your rush to post insults: Is the Motorola Droid supposed to be "the" Droid phone or is the Droid Eris also a "Droid phone?" Enlighten us with your wisdom.
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Wow, i just wasted my time to read that, it wasn't even objective at all. I suppose i shouldnt expect that much from a fansite though where no one has even TOUCHED it

Try to stay on topic guy. Editorializing about Prince's columns lame. Offer a counter viewpoint, perhaps or maybe you just like to bitch.
post #51 of 235
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Google has taken the fate of its Android smartphone platform into its own hands by promoting and directly marketing HTC's latest new Android phone under its own brand. How does the new "superphone" stack up to last summer's iPhone 3GS?

And another equally enlightening article:
Google Shakes but Doesnt Upend the Cellphone Market by DAVID POGUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/te...h/06pogue.html

And it just keeps coming
post #52 of 235
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

Exactly. You do, however, expect someone to edit the piece before it goes live, right? THAT clearly didn't happen... Seemed like there was a glaring editing oversight just about every other paragraph. It got quite distracting!

Hmm, funny. You don't offer how to make it better. You throw lame, vague comments about editing in there. Edit where? Hmm?
post #53 of 235
google is a wonderful company but they are now starting to dance at too many parties with too many partners. there comes a time when they are over extended. it seems that this time is here or almost here.

the first sign is their lack of consumer support while trying to sell consumer products. this is virtually the first time that google has a unified groundswell of criticism from customers. it's also the first time that they are finding that the public is very fickle. there is no layer of protection for them and they are going to bat against sandy koufax (he was a great strike out pitcher for the dodgers).

btw, how is that msft store doing?
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

A bit of comic relief (might contain objectionable language):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SzB...t=1263049057.9

Love it!

I liked this one too, a bit older.
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post #55 of 235
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

twin mega data data centers
open to all
for a price
apple will be a gatekeeper soon enough
goodbye google goodbye verizon

wipes spit from face

peace
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Hey, let's not beat up Google, I like them. I appreciate Google's contribution to the iPhone. (Google Search, Goole Map, Google Earth etc...) The iPhone is a better device because of Google.
Plus Google is keeping Microsoft honest with the free Android OS that beats Winblows Mobile in usability.

I am looking forward to see what Apple does with the PA Semi, PlaceBase, Lala and Quatro Wireless. I imagine PA Semi and PlaceBase will contribute big time on the iSlate tablet and future iPhones. Imagine a Slate that can be used for days without recharging with unrivaled access to global geographical data, climate, economics, crime etc...

Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

So if it's free it can be crap?

Yes. It doesnt mean it will be but one shouldnt expect the same terms of service between free and premium products.


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one very minor edit needed i can't resist mentioning: Dan writes "... leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS." well, three separate parties can never be "unique." just one. a correct word would be "apart."

Actually it can because the group is a single entity making it, the group, unique.


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And then MULTITASK category? What the heck. I love the iPhone, but the device CANNOT MULTITASK. And under this category, they list Bundled Apps, Voice and Data???

Sure it can and he breaks it down in the ways it can multitask. I thought it was very clearly stated and liked seeing it explained like that. Either you have a very limited understanding of what multitasking means or you have never used an iPhone and have been given some very bad information.
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post #57 of 235
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odd odd article
a mis mash of 1/2 baked themes that abruptly end and go now here else
Yet a calm re write and expanding this article to 4 pages would make a great piece to show us why ,where and how google is out doing MSFT in the asshole dept.

GOOGLE IS VERY SCARED RIGHT NOW

google is a way way over priced one horse monster

Google faces a threat from 2 or 3 million 14 yr. old kids writing code for the FIRST time and seeing this world from a new angle . Just like Skype one day will kill the carriers.

Remember, JD?? trading at $95 a share at its peak ?? well at its meteoric rise was going on and they were laying uncounted miles of un lit fiber and the canadian gov;t them selves said it's a good buy at $60 A share >> Millions of Canucks put their life savings in J D and walked away. Safe in their long term buy .

AT 65 a share a SW code demon warned that his new code would compress fiberoptic data at a 10 to one ratio . NO one blinked . The stock rose to $95 a share . THIS was 10 yrs. ago or more . 10 to 1 means stop laying cable right now . over saturation>>LOOK in those days no one streamed movies >>data was just data
Maybe an odd email with 1 raw pic.They did not stop laying cable .

The market promised that all this fiber would bring us movies on demand and the whole LIB.of congress in 18 minutes . The world has changed now, We are NOW short of lit cable if any is left at all. BUT back then 90 percent of all fiber optic cable remained buried and DARK. To light the cable was expensive back then .,
WHAT caused J. D. UNI to go from 95 to $5 a share . ALSO a dozen other companies were laid to waste over this .
THE HERO OF THIS STORY
the code rider == HE >>> LIED
IT was not 10x to 1 data compression >>it was a 100x to one and then up to 1000x to 1 compression / JD CRASHED
JD STOCK FELL TO 3 BUCKS A SHARE AT ONE POINT wiping out billions of Canuck retirement money among other investors who also lost ,
All that cable was never needed at all back then .

GOOGLE FACES THE SAME THREAT a RICH CODE WRITER CAN KILL OFF GOOGLE THE SAME WAY / rich means A kid that can;t be bought off and who see,s the world in a clear level playing field way .


that is why i am not surprised at their shabby phone deals and ill thought out conflicting market plans
they have one stream of money from one source ./

the market needs 50 small googles who do not bow down to the chinese and help the commies abuse their own people
GOOGLE IS SCARED and has no morals at all

i would sell goog right now

Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Hey, let's not beat up Google, I like them. I appreciate Google's contribution to the iPhone. (Google Search, Goole Map, Google Earth etc...) The iPhone is a better device because of Google.
Plus Google is keeping Microsoft honest with the free Android OS that beats Winblows Mobile in usability.

I am looking forward to see what Apple does with the PA Semi, PlaceBase, Lala and Quatro Wireless. I imagine PA Semi and PlaceBase will contribute big time on the iSlate tablet and future iPhones. Imagine a Slate that can be used for days without recharging with unrivaled access to global geographical data, climate, economics, crime etc...

Time will tell.

Apple is covering all it's basis, with a Cocoa AppKit/Foundation combination for all of them.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Being the expert that you profess to be, perhaps you could direct us to your review, or at least, expound the 'oversights' that you found so distracting.

By your count, there are about twenty out of the 40 paragraphs that fit your criteria and you should be able to address them quickly.

Why bother replying, just because you are annoyed?

I hate McLean anyway, and I've criticized him for being biased and grammatically disastrous.
Although, I must admit this one is not as bad as some others he's done. Some sales figures and such wouldn't have hurt this article though.


Here's a couple:

The chart, lists OLED as poor in daylight? Why? Just say OLED without the judgements. Why not list LCD's shortcomings while you're at it Prince?

Same chart, supported at the bottom spelled 'suported'.

This:
"Finding one operating system to span from the bargain bin to the high end has similarly been a challenge for Nokia, which uses its own simple Nokia OS, the more sophisticated Symbian, a full distro of Maemo Linux in its Internet Tablets, and Windows on its netbook. Samsung has also announced plans to juggle Windows Mobile, Android, and its own Bada platform. Most other makers also have a variety of operating systems, leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS.

Motorola has announced an intention do to this with Android, but is already facing a rather direct blow from Google and its new branding partnership with HTC. On the other side, Google is also planning to add its new Chrome OS into the mix as a way to enter the significantly different netbook market, which will splinter efforts by its current licensees who already have Android netbooks and tablets under development.

The company has also announced a clear intention to turn its hardware partners into commodity manufacturers, leaving Google with control of all the value across their products, much as Microsoft did to PC makers in the 90s. This is all a precarious balancing act challenge Apple doesn't face."


Should look like this:
"Finding one operating system to span from the bargain bin to the high end has similarly been a challenge for Nokia, which uses its own simple Nokia OS, the more sophisticated Symbian, a full distro of Maemo Linux in its Internet Tablets, and Windows on its netbook. Samsung has also announced plans to juggle Windows Mobile, Android, and its own Bada platform.

Most other makers also have a variety of operating systems, leaving Apple, RIM, and Palm unique in pushing one single OS. Motorola has announced an intention do to this with Android, but is already facing a rather direct blow from Google and its new branding partnership with HTC.

On the other side, Google is also planning to add its new Chrome OS into the mix as a way to enter the significantly different netbook market, which will splinter efforts by its current licensees who already have Android netbooks and tablets under development. The company has also announced a clear intention to turn its hardware partners into commodity manufacturers, leaving Google with control of all the value across their products, much as Microsoft did to PC makers in the 90s. This is all a precarious balancing act challenge Apple doesn't face."

Prince begins a paragraph with this:
"That indicates that despite its shift from Windows Mobile..."

What's That? Ugh.

"This pattern of Apple conquering new territory with blockbuster releases that occur only once a year while rivals throw handfuls of new models under its tank treads appears to be continuing with Android."
Whatever....post that crap under your articles in the comment section.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.

Or, as Kent Brockman put it: "Strong words. Strong, bewildering words."
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Ten year from now non of this will make any difference. We will have open source code, micro pc phones, and dumb pipe telephone service providers. Everyone will have choice, and there will be competition for service like there is in Europe.

Apple will still be closed source, they will still be innovative but will be marginalized as they are today with their pc buisness. There will still be many fan-people paying more for apple products as there will be fan-people on the other side paying less and getting about the same experience.

I'm starting the revolution now by writing an ap for the droid that will allow everyone to use all 200,000 aps in the apple store on the droid.......................................just kidding
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Blah blah blah, Apple is late on an iPhone OS update -- they could be adding a bunch of new features to make the iPhone more competitive, but they seem to be waiting for some unknown reason. Things like Bluetooth Keyboard support should be EASY to add, but they are missing for unknown reasons...
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Ten year from now non of this will make any difference. We will have open source code, micro pc phones, and dumb pipe telephone service providers. Everyone will have choice, and there will be competition for service like there is in Europe.

Apple will still be closed source, they will still be innovative but will be marginalized as they are today with their pc buisness. There will still be many fan-people paying more for apple products as there will be fan-people on the other side paying less and getting about the same experience.

Yawn. People said exactly the same thing 10 years ago.

One other point: The PC software behemoth that exists today is nothing resembling 'open source,' yet it dominates. And makes a lot of money. The only 'dumb pipes,' barely eking out a living, are those that make the hardware for that non-open-source company.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Despite being almost a year ahead of the iPhone 3GS in an industry where performance and capacity can often double on an annual basis, the Nexus One doesn't do a lot of things Apple's phone did last year.

Did you mean "Despite being almost a year behind the iPhone 3GS..."?
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Blah blah blah, Apple is late on an iPhone OS update -- they could be adding a bunch of new features to make the iPhone more competitive, but they seem to be waiting for some unknown reason. Things like Bluetooth Keyboard support should be EASY to add, but they are missing for unknown reasons...

Its been 6 months since v3.0 was introduced with an update historically coming every year, so how exactly is it late.

Apple may never add BT keyboard support to the iPhone. Its on-screen keyboard is designed to work well and it does work well. Much better than anyone else virtual keyboard.
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Apple wants this to be a touch-based [device]. If you give people a physical keyboard, theyll think of the touch system as merely an alternative to the mechanical interface theyre already familiar with.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.

I disagree, if this guy thinks some smart kid can knock out Google he is absolutely clueless about Google's products. He sounds like a day trader who lost money shorting.

While many companies are struggling to conquer the earth, Google is aiming for the Universe in their respective fields of business.

Google is not interested in selling phones to ordinary people, that's why they have partners.

Ordinary people really should not be buying Google's phone, it is for developers to use as a model. Developers who either have support contracts with Google or can survive with email support for their development will not have any problem with the phone. Carriers will want to offer Google's phone to sell to developers which could possibly lead to new applications for their network.

Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by bitmonster View Post

Ten year from now non of this will make any difference. We will have open source code, micro pc phones, and dumb pipe telephone service providers. Everyone will have choice, and there will be competition for service like there is in Europe.

Apple will still be closed source, they will still be innovative but will be marginalized as they are today with their pc buisness. There will still be many fan-people paying more for apple products as there will be fan-people on the other side paying less and getting about the same experience.

I'm starting the revolution now by writing an ap for the droid that will allow everyone to use all 200,000 aps in the apple store on the droid.......................................just kidding

So you're under the impression that the Nexus One is meaningfully cheaper than the iPhone or that the service plans cost less?

My impression is that freetards can't count.
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You sound like you are too easily confused to do anything except to buy the one phone offered by Apple. It is a good thing Apple exists. Their branding strategy comforts you.

For the rest of us, choice is seen as a good thing.

Apple sells two models of the iPhone, just because they look the same doesn't mean they are the same.
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I'm not much interested in the Nexus One if it doesn't sync with my Mac and iTunes.
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Good point.

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P.S. When ever people say "Lacks multi-touch" i wish they would follow it by "because they are respecting Apple's patent". (no one else does)

No, it's not a good point, because if a company wanted multi-touch, it could pay Apple for use of the patent.
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No, it's not a good point, because if a company wanted multi-touch, it could pay Apple for use of the patent.

Unless Apple wasnt licensing their patent. Besides that, I dont think Apple has any controlling patent over any and all multi-touch. I think its patents lie in the capacitive multi-touch it bought from Fingerworks.
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After sleeping in till 2:50 im finally up.

I'm not sure why everyone has their panties in a bunch but im here to relieve everyone of their wedgie stress lol.

The tech blogs here and everywhere love to pit everything against the iPhone, no SINGULAR phone will eradicate the iPhone, just like no SINGULAR phone killed the Razr. It wont happen, at all. Stop trying to make it seem like such.

Now let me continue on by saying this. If you think Google is gonna be wiped out by a gang of 14 year old computer programmers you're out of your mind. You know why everyone says Android will be the main OS for smartphones? Its because we rely heavily on Googles services, millions, if not BILLIONS use some kind of Google service.

Google is the monster everyone is afraid of, and dont let your fanboyism fool you into think otherwise. Apple has the foresight to see this and is taking action NOW. They purposely snatched Lala away from Google which was a great music company and we all knew that Google is actively looking to get into the music industry and its just simply a matter of time.

Take for instance Lala, imagine if Google (or Apple if it makes you feel better in the pants) made a standalone application for both Windows and Mac that stored my media and had iTunes/Zune like features for syncing and buying music. Imagine having my physical media stored on my phone, and whatever else couldnt fit, could be streamed out via Google for free to my phone (think Pandora now) if it were on their server, or pay a nominal fee and get to upload my own bank of songs for streaming. This would hurt companies that seem to keep flash memory artificially high and drive lower prices.

Apple recently purchased a mapping company, so were all expecting somehow that will be implemented in the future and will yet again kill off Google dependency. I mean does anyone here seriously use Mapquest anymore? Google singlehandedly made both Garmin and TomToms stock fall faster than a kamikaze pilot, and that was just on the launch of one device! If Google changed Google Voice to purely running VoIP, it has the very possibility to turn the entire cell industry upside down.

Google is working hard to not only make Android exciting, but implement THEIR FEATURES into the OS. Android is the weakest one without the Google services behind it, and is also why it will be the strongest. Android is only in its infancy, and you can say you dont like it cause its visually bland (it is) or the hardware is all over the place (it is), people will buy the phones because of the services that will be offered.
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Having a touchscreen simply isn’t enough. We finally get some quality tests on the different HW and SW which won’t show up on a spec sheet but increases the user experience.

http://gizmodo.com/5444514/smartphon...finger-fidelty
(straighter lines means better tracking)
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Excellent, but cryptic post that will go right over 99.9% of the viewers.

brucep writes in riddles at times. Like an oracle on top of a mountain. But there are real gems in there.
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And another equally enlightening article:
Google Shakes but Doesnt Upend the Cellphone Market by DAVID POGUE
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/te...h/06pogue.html

And it just keeps coming

Boy Genius on Android
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Other issues that I cant live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I cant. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years a joke its the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Googles approach is almost as bad as RIMs with the Storm-series.

Its not just the iPhones interface for copy-and-paste; its also the interface for selecting text and pictures before you can copy them. Id say its one of the nicest and most thoughtful UI designs I have ever seen.


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Boy Genius on Android
Boy Genius:

Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years — a joke — it’s the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Google’s approach is almost as bad as RIM’s with the Storm-series.

It’s not just the iPhone’s interface for copy-and-paste; it’s also the interface for selecting text and pictures before you can copy them. I’d say it’s one of the nicest and most thoughtful UI designs I have ever seen.


Daring Fireball 10-01-09 5:50 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/

Here is the original article. That is one of those things that seemed obvious to me and others that it would take time to do it right, but the majority would make statements like, “How hard is it to add a clipboard?” and “Copy and Paste has been on computers for decades.” Even the guy who first released an app that allowed for copy and paste had a great video of why he would have an easier time of it and what Apple would likely have to do to make a new way of copying and pasting on the iPhone. He got it mostly right with Apple coming up with some even cooler stuff.
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But Android still feels half baked even after two years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.

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There are so many fundamental issues with Android’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon.

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Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.

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For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense Android makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What

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But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison.

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Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded.

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We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device.

I agree that the iPhone v4.0 and the new SDK will likely be demoed at the end of January. Not because the true competition is so great right now but that mindshare competition is strong enough to warrant Apple having to update sooner rather than later.
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Actually this was a reasonably unbiased article.

There were some small mistakes, like saying android lacks the ability to store app data on the sdcard. This is false. The app it self does need to be stored on the phone but and extra data can be stored on the sdcard.
Example: CoPilot (nav system), All map information is downloaded and stored on the sdcard.
There are many apps like this.

Also saying that there are no major developers developing for Android is a flat out lie.
EA is just one i can think of off the top of my head.
Now he could have said "Less major developers" and i would have not taken issue. but "no major developers" is a lie and misleading.

Other than that, it was a good comparison.

P.S. When ever people say "Lacks multi-touch" i wish they would follow it by "because they are respecting Apple's patent". (no one else does)

fewer major developers, not less. /grammar-nazi
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Blah blah blah, Apple is late on an iPhone OS update -- they could be adding a bunch of new features to make the iPhone more competitive, but they seem to be waiting for some unknown reason. Things like Bluetooth Keyboard support should be EASY to add, but they are missing for unknown reasons...

If anything, they need to properly implement the BT standard rather than the current bastardized version that they are using. It is great to have A2DP but what is the use without the controls need to manage the headsets. I got fed up and went back to using a cable. Hopefully they will fix their error or whatever so that BT Audio Streaming works properly.
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I think you and many others (including AI) are missing the fact that the N1 is not on a closed network. You can purchase the unlocked phone and use any network you want. It just so happens that T-Mobile is the only one available now. But it looks like Sprint and Verizon are opening it's doors to the N1 "coming 2010". So there's another point of how this article is a little bit of a spin...

Personally, i think getting the unlocked phone is the better deal. Then you could shop around without having to sign a contract every 2 years or so. But it comes with a price.

I think you're right that Android is a bit of a disappointment. However, it's a disappointment that it's not more successful. I kind of hoped that Android would squash the competition(save for the iPhone...), since Google is the most popular search engine, you'd think it would be a little more popular. But part of the problem is that it's just the software, and software is only as good as its best hardware. and the hardware is not that good. I've never been impressed by HTC products. Very cheap and sloppy workmanship.

I think it primarily boils down to marketing. I think 25% of why Apple is so successful is because they know how to market a product. The other 75% has to do with identifying what the masses need in a product and making it the best they possibly can...so good in fact that people can't help but want it. Had Google marketed themselves better, i think they would be in much better shape.

Look at the Chrome browser, I love this browser and it's really fast. As AI posted, even faster than Safari in most cases. But it's still at the lower end of the user-ship. but i digress.


If you buy unlocked and switch to ATT you get EDGE, not 3G. 3G only on Tmobile. It is not clear when it will come to verizon or sprint, seeing as Droid seems to be Verizon exclusive for now and google has to share exclusives with everyone. Yea I agree that the phone is good, as good as all other Android phones (expect hardware of course). But this was supposed to be the best Android phone that will be far ahead of competition. So far it is not, and that is why I said its a disappointment.
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