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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

Umm, I'm pretty sure Motorola's perception does not match public perception. Google stated it was in fact a HTC handset, not a Google handset. I don't think Motorola gets its information from the headlines, but rather through direct communication with Google. Headlines are not going to tell us that Motorola and Google are currently working on another phone that Google could offer up alongside the Nexus One. And I'm willing to bet that phone will be revealed at about the same time the Nexus One is available on Verizon's network.

I highly doubt that Motorola is unpleased about all of this... although they may be upset with all the morons that have misinterpreted all of this.


EDIT: Nexus One is only available on T-Mobile. So the Motorola Droid is still considered to be the best Android phone available on Verizon. So anyone looking for a good Android phone on Verizon, will be talking about and buying up Droids.

Well, except perception is everything in consumer electronics. If people think the Nexus One is the best Android phone, then it really doesn't matter what Motorola knows, they still are looking at diminished sales.

The N1 is coming to Verizon soon enough, and while you may be "willing to bet" that Motorola is working with Google to get another phone out there, that doesn't really make any sense. The Droid was released just a few months before the N1, it's not like it's old an busted-- it's just the best phone Motorola could make, with Google's input. Was Google holding something back? Will they "help" Motorola make a phone that's competitive with the N1? Then help HTC best it?

How is that going to work?
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Google has already stated that they will offer other phones from other manufacturers in their e-store. This HTC phone is only the first.

Furthermore, Google has also made it clear that this is an HTC phone, not a Google branded phone. Let's also not forget that Google worked closely with Motorola and Verizon on the Droid; it was the first device to get Android 2.0 with its turn-by-turn navigation. This type of "favoritism" is going to happen with each new hardware / OS release.

Most people would consider this a Google device. Yes, HTC is identified as the maker but the Nexus brand is controlled by Google. It is a bit muddled but certainly Google marketing is behind the Nexus more than any previous device. While Google may offer devices from other makers in the future, nothing kept them from offering the Droid and the Eris and other Android phones there today.

Yeah, maybe Google did work with Verizon and Motorola on the Droid but typically one would expect the lifespan before a competing device is offered to be more than 2 months. It would not be an issue if it were simply a competitive device offered by HTC but this device is being heavily marketed by Google as their own offering. Google hosted the press conference. Free devices are being given to YouTube vloggers. There are links to the Nexus One all over Google's web properties. I mean you can't honestly say that Google is giving equal treatment to all devices on the Android platform can you?

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All Google is really attempting to do is remove the carrier from the equation and offer a direct to consumer experience. By law, mobile carriers must allow any compatible device to run on their networks. Google is providing the phone and will also bundle service plans just as Best Buy and any other retailer does. This will give Google a way to control the platform better. This is more similar to the Windows desktop market, than it is to Microsoft's mobile platforms market, in which they have an incentive to give an advantage towards its own branded hardware versus any licensed competitors.

I don't really see the comparison to Windows desktop. It would only be that way if MSFT was selling their own brand of PC. They have wisely stayed out of that market.

In this case its not really like anything that has come before. Android is an open system. Nexus is controlled by Google. Only certain devices will get Nexus treatment we can assume and they will need to follow Google guidelines to get that treatment. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this but its not really the open, hands off, approach that many people imagined with the OHA and Android. So something has changed here. They must be very motivated to do this. Carriers can do what they want with Android, makers can go and do their thing to Android, and now Google is seeking to pull it in another direction. Ok. They can do that. It might all work out. It might be kind of a mess. We'll see.

I think it is less about carriers, everyone's knee-jerk villain. than it is about keeping their own control over the platform. I really think Google went into all this so that they could have more control over the mobile device and drive mobile search to Google. They later realized that once Android is in the wild they have no way to dictate that, for example, Google's search box is on top. That decision is made by the maker or the carrier or whoever downstream makes the call. Google might actually have found itself having to pay Motorola for prominence on the platform it defined. Or worse, Bing might be there in some cases. So the Nexus brand is the way to fix this. If you want Google's Nexus stamp, to sell in the Google store and Google marketing behind you, you have to play by the way Google wants the Android device packaged. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that but it just seems like a bit of a mess. Maybe this was their strategy all along but it feels a lot more iterative than that. It will really depend on how much the partners are willing to play ball or get annoyed. It's just not the open happy sandbox everyone was sold.
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Funny at the bottom of this page is your answer. On mine you see this ad saying:

[CENTER]Google's Nexus One Phone[/CENTER]
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Depends on the point of view I guess. People do not really interact with Symbian, they interact with e.g. S60 (which is not open)... even the requirements for third party apps depend more on the GUI than on the underpinnings.

It's not a matter of point of view in the slightest. It's fact.

Historically, S60 has been licensed to Siemens, Sendo, Samsung and Sony Ericsson.

Right now, S60 has been rolled into Symbian and is open source. Here's the code if you don't believe me.

Prince's failure to name the biggest contributor to the graph is highly suspicious.
post #45 of 77
I'm in Australia I get this one:-

[CENTER]New Android Powered Phone
Grab the HTC Magic with bonus 8GB and a free Prepaid Internet Kit[/CENTER]

Vodafone must be getting desperate to offload this older "Google experience" phone, with Android 1.5, which is certainly not exactly "new".

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Funny at the bottom of this page is your answer. On mine you see this ad saying:

[CENTER]Google's Nexus One Phone[/CENTER]
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post #46 of 77
The Droid is still getting much more buzz than the Nexus One in my opinion. The Nexus One got a lot of intial attention from the technophile crowd for being THE supposed definitive Google phone, but I've yet to see any Nexus Ones making the rounds in public (still a bit early on this) or any big advertising after it's release from either Google or T-Mobile. While the early adoptees and techies were sure sales, the Nexus One hasn't really made a huge showing outside of the Internet blogging realm. The Droid, on the other hand, still gets plenty of tv ad time (especially during ratings grabbers like the NFL playoffs), both by Motorola and Verizon. I've even seen a Droid Does billboard around downtown. Droid adoption also seems to be very high locally as well.

Nexus One's biggest crutch is it's main provider. T-Mobile couldve used this opportunity to promote having the strongest and most advanced Droid platform phone to help gain some marketshare for themselves and Google's begrudging first in-house effort, but neither side is really budging. Verizon and Motorola both seem to be on the ball when it comes to PR with their current products.
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post #47 of 77
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

This isn't nearly the same thing...

Microsoft created a closed brand to compete with their licensed brand. Only a moron would stay with a company that would do something like that.

Google hasn't done this...they're just selling phones direct to customers. How does this alienate them from hardware manufacturers exactly?

Its thinking like that that nearly put Apple in the gutter.
post #48 of 77
Microsoft should concentrate on their own failing mobile product line rather than predicting the downfall of another, currently much more successful one.

FUD.

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post #49 of 77
Apple is probably hugging themselves over all this fragmentation and babble.

Can't wait to see what they have in store for the 27th.

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My friend's Zune turned into a brick when he tried to download an update from Microsoft. He sought Microsoft's customer service and somebody there told him he'd need to buy another Zune to rectify the problem. He didn't.
He then relied on his iPod touch. He loved it so much compared to his Zune, even when it was working, that he then upgraded to an iPhone and gave his touch to his wife.

As far as Microsoft's advice, sounds decent to me ... to never follow that company's lead. Google should probably heed it, but then I don't really care what Google does in the phone market anyway.
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The Zune HD isn't a bad product though, one of my friends is a die hard Apple fanboy, and she is in love with the Zune HD, and she has 2 iPod touches and an iPhone. It's got a great screen for movies and a slick interface, and she says it's much easier to use as an MP3 player than the iPod app for iPhone OS, She said if it had the Apps that are available for the iPhone, she'd choose it instead of an iPod Touch.

you made this up

its you not your girl friend who owns the whole zune collection dolls and all
admit it


i looked for a zune accessory once at the local the best buy
a hush came over the blue shirted workers
they quietly whispered me out of the store

i was only kidding i said as i hit daylight

you can't make this stuff up
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for all of googles woes their nexus 1 2 3 will all be great hits and sell millions
apple just needs a blade runner to kill them off
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My friend's Zune turned into a brick when he tried to download an update from Microsoft. He sought Microsoft's customer service and somebody there told him he'd need to buy another Zune to rectify the problem. He didn't.
He then relied on his iPod touch. He loved it so much compared to his Zune, even when it was working, that he then upgraded to an iPhone and gave his touch to his wife.

As far as Microsoft's advice, sounds decent to me ... to never follow that company's lead. Google should probably heed it, but then I don't really care what Google does in the phone market anyway.

did you say
<<<??<?< Microsoft's advice ,??>>>>>>>

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post #53 of 77
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Yes, that usually comes from owning 95% of desktop OS market...

Just because something is popular doesn't make it the best.
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post #54 of 77
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

I don't think MS is "fretting" about it - they're HOPING for it. Who came up with this headline?

A guitar player turned journalist.
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I was under the impression Microsoft issued a July 2010 cutoff for XP users for support.

I might be wrong, but I think it's July 2010 for all support for Windows 2000 (including security fixes). I believe Windows XP is sometime in 2012. So Microsoft still has quite a while left supporting the legacy OS (including Windows 2003 Server).
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The Droid is still getting much more buzz than the Nexus One in my opinion. The Nexus One got a lot of intial attention from the technophile crowd for being THE supposed definitive Google phone, but I've yet to see any Nexus Ones making the rounds in public (still a bit early on this) or any big advertising after it's release from either Google or T-Mobile. While the early adoptees and techies were sure sales, the Nexus One hasn't really made a huge showing outside of the Internet blogging realm. The Droid, on the other hand, still gets plenty of tv ad time (especially during ratings grabbers like the NFL playoffs), both by Motorola and Verizon. I've even seen a Droid Does billboard around downtown. Droid adoption also seems to be very high locally as well.

Nexus One's biggest crutch is it's main provider. T-Mobile couldve used this opportunity to promote having the strongest and most advanced Droid platform phone to help gain some marketshare for themselves and Google's begrudging first in-house effort, but neither side is really budging. Verizon and Motorola both seem to be on the ball when it comes to PR with their current products.

google is advertising it online

for now it's meant at the cool, hip i'll spend all my money on new toys crowd. the idiots who buy a $500 phone unseen and the only support is via email where they take 3 days to tell you that you're an idiot and to reboot your phone
post #57 of 77
Boy the have got to be the most deluded people on the globe their at MS.

Not only do they fail and fail spectacularly, but they have absolutely no grasp on WHY they failed....

tstststst.....
post #58 of 77
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I don't think MS is "fretting" about it - they're HOPING for it. Who came up with this headline?

I think "fretting" here is meant facetiously.
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I don't think MS is "fretting" about it - they're HOPING for it. Who came up with this headline?

My very thought also. But alas, to hope for even basic writing skills from AI is apparently a lost cause.
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I think that headline is perfectly relevant. Hoping for it would also be good, but that means they're secretly hoping for it to fail, which no one has any evidence of. So they can't REALLY put "hoping" into the headline. Otherwise it's pretty biased point of view that you're extrapolating from their comments. By converse, you're saying that Android will succeed? No one knows about that, so Microsoft may be right, it may not. Who knows.
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I was under the impression Microsoft issued a July 2010 cutoff for XP users for support. Personally Windows 7 blows XP out the water so those who choose not to upgrade (probably because they are running ancient PCs) are just stupid not to do so, and even netbooks can run Windows 7 without choking out.

If only MS made a Zune phone...but id settle just for Zune on mac to begin with.

There is one key issue here that people overlook. "You get what you pay for!" What people dont seem to understand about the difference between Apple and every other technology company is that when Apple releases a product, it is a finished product, not a work in progress like Google and more specifically Microsoft. There are already 10+ Android based phones out there for sale, all different from different manufacturers. This means that each user interface will be different, meaning you cant go from one to another and it be the same. This is why private 3rd party apps are such a bad idea. When an app is released to the Apple store, it works, its as simple as that. And every interface in every app works exactly the same. There is no searching around in the app for 10 minutes to figure out how to do something. When you buy an Apple product, you are buying a high quality, finished product. Why do you think Microsoft had to release Windows 7, because Vista was an absolute failire, and O, if you havent noticed, Windows 7 steals most of its nice features from Mac OS X. When will people learn that not everyone likes to continously update their electronic devices every three months just because Google or Microsoft realize the failure they produced and try to address it with a new device. Lastly, that is why there is only one iPhone in the last year, and 10+ droid phones, and they still cant match the iPhone. As for Windows 7, who wants to transfer all of their data to a hard drive, delete everything, install windows 7 in the hopes that it actually isnt a failure, after spending hundreds of dollars for it, and then install it on a new computer. I was a die hard windows pc fan until I heard about windows 7 requiring this crap. I went to the Mac store and purchased a MBP, and since then, I look back, upset with myself, that I didnt do it sooner. I will never go back to Microsoft for anything ever again. Consistant sub-standard products which need constant update, and yet they still crash and are unreliable. C'mon guys, be realistic.
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There is one key issue here that people overlook. "You get what you pay for!" What people dont seem to understand about the difference between Apple and every other technology company is that when Apple releases a product, it is a finished product, not a work in progress like Google and more specifically Microsoft. There are already 10+ Android based phones out there for sale, all different from different manufacturers. This means that each user interface will be different, meaning you cant go from one to another and it be the same. This is why private 3rd party apps are such a bad idea. When an app is released to the Apple store, it works, its as simple as that. And every interface in every app works exactly the same. There is no searching around in the app for 10 minutes to figure out how to do something. When you buy an Apple product, you are buying a high quality, finished product. Why do you think Microsoft had to release Windows 7, because Vista was an absolute failire, and O, if you havent noticed, Windows 7 steals most of its nice features from Mac OS X. When will people learn that not everyone likes to continously update their electronic devices every three months just because Google or Microsoft realize the failure they produced and try to address it with a new device. Lastly, that is why there is only one iPhone in the last year, and 10+ droid phones, and they still cant match the iPhone. C'mon guys, be realistic.


Microsoft has been on a 3 year OS release cycle since the 1990's. you get a new release followed by a maintenance release. only exception was no maintenance release for NT4.

Win95/98
Win 2000/XP-server 2003
Vista/7
Server 2008/2008 R2 aka Windows 2010

Windows 8 is going to be another new release. Technically Win7 was a mainteance release but so much changed between Vista and Vista SP2/7 it's almost like an entire new OS.
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Removing features and adding their own crap on them, ruining the overall experience.

Can you provide a list of features removed by any manufacture?
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The chain is incomplete without a carrier. They are irreplacable. The customer won't buy a fancy gadget for posterity's sake

The chain is going to change. Carriers ARE replaceable. In Europe you can buy any phone and buy a contract from 3-4 carriers. Or you can even use prepaid SIM with your phone.
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Apple is probably hugging themselves over all this fragmentation and babble.

Can't wait to see what they have in store for the 27th.

Android already has posibility to develop ant test applications on different screen resolutions. I'd like to see how the applications developed for iPhone/iPod screen resolution and hardware will behave on the Applet Tablet. It's gonna be funny
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Android already has posibility to develop ant test applications on different screen resolutions. I'd like to see how the applications developed for iPhone/iPod screen resolution and hardware will behave on the Applet Tablet. It's gonna be funny

So you've seen the Apple tablet and been privy to what OS it's running and seen the plan to simply throw iPhone apps on there, unmodified?

Well no wonder you're amused! Also, the little birds flying around? Funny!
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I think that headline is perfectly relevant. Hoping for it would also be good, but that means they're secretly hoping for it to fail, which no one has any evidence of. So they can't REALLY put "hoping" into the headline. Otherwise it's pretty biased point of view that you're extrapolating from their comments. By converse, you're saying that Android will succeed? No one knows about that, so Microsoft may be right, it may not. Who knows.

Right, it's referencing what has come to be known as "concern trolling", where someone who obviously holds you no good will starts wringing their hands in public that you might do this or that and how awful would that be? It's a way of trying to simultaneously come off "reasonable and compassionate" while entering negative perceptions into the discourse. Typically used in politics.

Given all that, the headline is actually fairly witty.
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AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! HA!

Ahem...

Microsoft is quickly going down the path of irrelevancy.

Nah, Steve Ballmer has made this the case. He needs to be forced onto the path of replacement.

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A guitar player turned journalist.

Hmmm..... I thought that Mr. Glyph only faked his guitar-playing? Has anyone heard him actually play a real note?
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Well done article, but the left side of the chart should incorporate another thing: Sun solaris which clearly belongs to the blue (integrated) category as well. At least for our company and for our customers the left side would contain less or even no licensed (Windows) percentage and instead state another highly integrated platform in form of Sun solaris (hardware and operating software of one vendor).
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I'm talking about the carrier getting their hands on the device and OS and modifying it. Removing features and adding their own crap on them, ruining the overall experience. This is what is killing Android as a platform.

Google is taking hardware direct from the manufacturer, putting their OS on it, then selling it direct to the customer. This allows Google to control the experience.

The carrier only comes in to play when a plan is needed/included.

Since when did carriers modify the OS? and since when did Google start retailing cellphones?

and the cycle still remains the same. Btw, where do you think the customers get the nexus from?
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Just because something is popular doesn't make it the best.

And who cares about desktops in this forum
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The chain is going to change. Carriers ARE replaceable. In Europe you can buy any phone and buy a contract from 3-4 carriers. Or you can even use prepaid SIM with your phone.

By definition, contract means exclusivity and then you can't consider more than a single carrier.

Heck yeah, prepaid was never new. But you still need a carrier. A plain gadget won't fetch you any service. But there are some dummies who assume that.
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I never understand when people say things like that. Perhaps you can go ask your friend what it is that makes the Zune HD "much easier to use" as an MP3 player than a Touch?

Cause it appears to me that on a Touch you tap the music app icon and go straight to a list of music, sortable by artist, album, or song, with options for playlists or the genius function. The album view use horizontal cover flow with album art.

On the Zune you tap "Music" in a text list and go to a music app that lets you sort by artist, album or song. The album view is a scrolling vertical list with album art.

I'm having trouble seeing how much easier either one could be.

I could probably offer an example. The ZHD offers those big squares with a letter or number in it to snap to songs starting with that letter. The iPod function has that column of letters on the right side of the screen.

While technically, they have the same function, I can tap and activate the boxes on my ZHD with more success than the tiny letters on my roommate's iPod app. I tap that box, it goes to the alphabet matrix pretty much all the time. Whereas I can't guarantee I'm hitting the right letter on the iPod (I have big fingers). Sometimes I get the letter I want, sometimes I get the letter above or below the one I want.

And the "scroll-to-letter-and-release" is also hit or miss too, since it depends on how I lift my finger off the screen. It'll be on the letter I want but as soon as I lift, that action causes the screen to mistake that I moved it up or down and it'll snap to the letter above or below the one I had centered. Especially if I did it really quick.

When I'm driving in my car, I find the ZHD's method of selecting songs to be a lot better, since I guaranteed to get to the letter I want every time and reduces the amount of time my eyes aren't on the road.

So, as you can see, there is a bit of subjectivity to what makes something "easier" than another item. You can't just look at something at the purely technical level and just say that since they're the same, everyone will find both items equally easy to use.
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I just type letters into the search field at the top of the list.

Much faster, especially when you have a few hundred songs starting with each letter.

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I could probably offer an example. The ZHD offers those big squares with a letter or number in it to snap to songs starting with that letter. The iPod function has that column of letters on the right side of the screen.

While technically, they have the same function, I can tap and activate the boxes on my ZHD with more success than the tiny letters on my roommate's iPod app. I tap that box, it goes to the alphabet matrix pretty much all the time. Whereas I can't guarantee I'm hitting the right letter on the iPod (I have big fingers). Sometimes I get the letter I want, sometimes I get the letter above or below the one I want.

And the "scroll-to-letter-and-release" is also hit or miss too, since it depends on how I lift my finger off the screen. It'll be on the letter I want but as soon as I lift, that action causes the screen to mistake that I moved it up or down and it'll snap to the letter above or below the one I had centered. Especially if I did it really quick.

When I'm driving in my car, I find the ZHD's method of selecting songs to be a lot better, since I guaranteed to get to the letter I want every time and reduces the amount of time my eyes aren't on the road.

So, as you can see, there is a bit of subjectivity to what makes something "easier" than another item. You can't just look at something at the purely technical level and just say that since they're the same, everyone will find both items equally easy to use.
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I just type letters into the search field at the top of the list.

Much faster, especially when you have a few hundred songs starting with each letter.

I do that in iTunes but have never done that in the iPod app. I suppose psychologically you tend to stick with a way of doing something.
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i hope someday Google will release Google mp3 player or Google DAP (digital audio player)
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