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post #81 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:44am
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Maybe a typo, but you may be showing your age, or I'm showing mine. Those are early 80's games.

I would hope for better demos than rehashing 30 year old games! There's nothing exciting if you played them then.

Ok, you and I are right.

Ms. Packman 1981
Asteroids 1979

I'm sure he will show-off some NEW game developed just for the gamepad, but just think of the total number of folks who will get a kick out of this new toy, if they see, something old and something new played on it (sounds a bit like a wedding here )

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post #82 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:46am
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I probably shouldn't even respond to one of your posts, but I feel this is completely wrong. The MBP is not going to be replaced by a tablet and I can only hope that your reference to the supposed name of said tablet is just as incorrect as the rest of your post.


No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.

It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.
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post #83 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:52am
I just hope that they retail this at a reasonable price point. Doesn't mean I'm even in the market for one but I'm more likely to consider its benefits if they don't get "Out Of Control" price wise..
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post #84 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:52am
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No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.

It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.

Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10 piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isnt covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10 display set naturally in front of our eyes?
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post #85 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:53am
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No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.

It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.

I don't think the iSlate will take over the MacBook. At least not the first version.

But I do think both iPhone OS and Mac OS X will move up slowly over time.
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post #86 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:55am
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Using the Iphone OS would be very disappointing and limit the usefulness of the device. I would much prefer a touch version of snow leopard with an Iphone emulator.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?

It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.
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post #87 of 156
1/13/10 at 11:58am
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No not now, first the iSlate takes over the MacBooks then the MBP's eventually, it could take years.

It's all theory of course, but the MacBook line being reduced to one version is suspicious.

You do like to ignore its recent redesign don't you? You often bring up its removable battery even though the new unibody macbook doesn't have one. It's like you have completely erased ithe unibody macbooks existence from your memory because it doesn't fit your perception of the world. Why would they redesign the macbook if they were phasing it out? Perhaps they thought about it (they left it stagnant for a long time) but they're clearly committed to it for the time being.

Long term, very long term, touch could replace cursor input as the primary means of interacting with a computer, but that has little to do with this tablet.

edit; For the record Apple often has limited models after a redesign. They add more selection during the minor refreshes to keep things "fresh". New refresh could have black macbook, or even nano colours.
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post #88 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:02pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?

It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.

They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.

Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.
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post #89 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by tumme-totte View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mac OS and iPhone OS essentially of the same breed? Wouldn't that enable a rather straight forward approach to either running iPhone apps direct on Mac OS?

It would be disappointing to have a 10 inch screen which can't run at least Mail, iCal, Safari and a few more basic apps. And then I mean the Mac OS full featured versions. If I can run all apps such as iWork and iLife and maybe even Word, Excel and so on that would be a bonus.

Why not make versions specifically optimized for the tablet? Wouldn't that be better?
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post #90 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:10pm
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So the name of Apple's 'iPhone on Steroids' Tablet, coming in two versions, is going to be...

"The Mark McGwire 'Out of the Park' and 'Out of the Park - Pro' Pad!"

The Apple Asterisk
or iSterisk
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post #91 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:13pm
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Why not make versions specifically optimized for the tablet? Wouldn't that be better?

I don’t think most people are going to understand that Apple will have a 4th branch to OS X until they actually see it running on a tablet.
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post #92 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Otherwise known to Apple as a 10" touchscreen Mac.

Right. But I don´t know what´s better: 1) iPhone OS 3 on steroids or 2) trimmed down OSX with App Store.

at the end of the day I vote for the latter.

Maybe this is a chance to try out an OSX App Store.
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post #93 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

The iPhone OS *is* a slightly watered down (but proper) version of OS-X.

It's 100% OS-X with a few things that don't make sense in the new context removed, and a GUI that's "proper" for the new hardware.

For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is Something closer to Mac OS would make the Tablet feel more like a computer rather than a phone/ereader. But I'm not 100% sure Apple intend the Tablet to be the way I want it to be.
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post #94 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:48pm
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Of course apps will be delivered through the AppStore. Android's recent phishing problems are EXACTLY why a closed ecosystem is a good idea.


A iSlate not connected to a cell carrier should be allowed to run apps outside of the App Store without jail breaking the device.

Also the iPod Touch should be allowed to run apps from other sources since it doesn't even have a phone.


But Apple won't allow it because they like the control and profit potential the carriers security excuse has given them. And they created this App Store ecosystem that it's hard to inform people otherwise about apps not in the App Store.
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post #95 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by iMacmatician View Post

I'm not one bit surprised.

iPhone OS "extended" + additional hardware specs.

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Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.



Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.
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post #96 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:50pm
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For me, apart from multi-tasking, of course, there is no proper OS without proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns. So iPhone OS is on another planet from Mac OS, in my dictionary that is Something closer to Mac OS would make the Tablet feel more like a computer rather than a phone/ereader. But I'm not 100% sure Apple intend the Tablet to be the way I want it to be.

The iPhone OS does support multi-tasking. Apple just has not exposed the functionality because the iPhone CPU is not powerful enough. An iSlate with a more powerful CPU (or even future more powerful versions of the iPhone) could easily do multi-tasking.

The "proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" are just UI components. The iPhone is limited by its screen size. "Proper desktop space, drag-and-drops, menu bars and dropdowns" would not work on a small screen. With a much larger screen it is possible to have a more advanced UI on the iSlate.

Running the Snow Leopard UI on a 10" touch based tablet would be a horrid user experience.

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Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.

Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.

The assumption is putting the iPhone OS on the iSlate means the exact same UI on both devices but I don't think this is true. The iSlate is a much larger than the iPhone. The constraints are therefore different. Maybe Apps won't all be fullscreen and multiple Apps are visible simultaneously. The iSlate's UI will probably be very similar to the iPhone as they are both touch based, but there will almost certainly be differences.
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post #97 of 156
1/13/10 at 12:59pm
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Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10 piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isnt covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10 display set naturally in front of our eyes?

I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.
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post #98 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:02pm
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I don't believe a touch screen can ever fully replace the keyboard. If you are typing a long document you definitely want a keyboard. However, Apple could one day release a version of the iSlate with a physical keyboard. ie a laptop with a touch screen running the same UI as the iSlate.

Optional wireless rollup keyboard.
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post #99 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:05pm
I wish people would stop being so wedded to their ideas about OS X. vs the iPhone OS. They are not different in the way that Windows and Windows CE are different; the latter is a device optimized version of the former.

If Apple makes another device optimized version of OS X for a tablet, that isn't necessarily a lesser, compromised OS. It's just an OS that is tailored for the hardware and use case at hand.

Although it would of course be nice to be able to run all your OS X apps on a slate, that was never going to happen, because a) your OS X apps aren't suited to running on a touch interface, b) Intel architecture isn't suited to running on a small device while maintaing great battery life, and c) even if (a) and (b) weren't in play, there are plenty of processor intensive OS X apps that would run horribly on a small, processor constrained device.

So at best Apple might be able to rewrite and recompile some of their marquee apps for a slate form factor, and we can all hope that enterprising developers will further extend the platform. In fact, that seems pretty likely.

But a 10" slate that runs "OS X" was never anything but a fantasy, while a 10" slate that runs a highly specialized version of same was always a sure thing.
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post #100 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:08pm
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They don't run on the same processor architecture. One runs on ARM and the other runs on x86. Since we're talking about an ARM processor and no one thinks that x86 is suited for the power efficiency of a tablet, that's why we're thinking it'll run some sort of modified version of iPhone OS. On top of that, applications can't be just ported over that easily, they have to be rewritten to be able to run on ARM. So that's why we're currently using mobile Safari, Mail, and Calendar on the iPhone. iWork *may* or may not come to ARM and iPhone OS. Really depends on whether Apple wants to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. And so will Word... Microsoft will also have to rewrite its apps to run on ARM. So I don't imagine an ARM version of Office happening anytime soon.

Even Apple hasn't found a way to abstract processor architectures yet.


But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.

I think it's a shame that there are no iPhone Apps on Mac's at least!

Run the same widget on your Mac as your iPhone, makes a lot of sense and a reason to "get a Mac".


But alas Apple is not thinking about Mac's future, which makes me think they have something else in mind. Like the iSlate taking over eventually.
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post #101 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:09pm
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But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.

I think it's a shame that there are no iPhone Apps on Mac's at least!

Run the same widget on your Mac as your iPhone, makes a lot of sense and a reason to "get a Mac".


But alas Apple is not thinking about Mac's future, which makes me think they have something else in mind. Like the iSlate taking over eventually.

You make "single track mind" look like a freeway interchange.
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post #102 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:11pm
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Using the same logic, putting iPhone OS on a tablet is like putting a joystick on a motorcycle.

More like iPod OS.
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post #103 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:14pm
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If Apple makes another device optimized version of OS X for a tablet, that isn't necessarily a lesser, compromised OS. It's just an OS that is tailored for the hardware and use case at hand.
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But a 10" slate that runs "OS X" was never anything but a fantasy, while a 10" slate that runs a highly specialized version of same was always a sure thing.

I find that confusing. I view OS X as the blanket term for all version of OS X that run on the Mac, AppleTV and iPhone.
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post #104 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:16pm
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Inform us as to what changed to make typing on a 10 piece of glass with either your hands held out in front or bending over to look at half a display that isnt covered by a virtual keyboard more viable than a physical keyboard in a natural palm resting position with the larger than 10 display set naturally in front of our eyes?

inform us as to how you know exactly what the input method will be on the unreleased tablet.

Just sayin'
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1/13/10 at 1:18pm
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I find that confusing. I view OS X as the blanket term for all version of OS X that run on the Mac, AppleTV and iPhone.

I guess it's a matter of terminology, but most people seem to make a distinction between the iPhone OS and "OS X", by which they mean the desktop OS. Of course, Apple themselves make that distinction with their naming scheme.

Although I of course agree with you that it's all OS X, my point is that people are getting needlessly worked up about a tablet running the "iPhone OS", as if that were by definition an inferior OS.

Particularly given that a tablet would almost certainly running a tablet specific variant, it seems like a needless worry, to me. The only way it rankles is if you had imagined that a tablet was going to run "OS X", meaning the same software that's on your MacBook Pro, with touch pieces bolted on. I don't think that was ever a reasonable expectation.
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1/13/10 at 1:21pm
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I find that confusing. I view OS X as the blanket term for all version of OS X that run on the Mac, AppleTV and iPhone.

You might, and Apple might -- but consumers on a whole don't, and that is by design. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of iPhone owners who know that the OS on the device has anything to do with OSX is in the low single digits. Even to people who think in terms of an OS, the OS is defined by the UI, not the underlying code.
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post #107 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:21pm
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But Apple won't allow it because they like the control and profit potential the carriers security excuse has given them.

It's not a carrier's security issue. It's Apple's demand for a great user experience. Carriers might have bandwith concerns, which may or may not affect App availability, but that's another discussion. As far as "profit potential," you'd better realize that 30% of PAID downloads (remember most apps are free), minus advertising, minus credit card processing fees, minus server infrastructure and maintenance, minus TAXES - all this equals not a HUGE source of profit for Apple. They're certainly not losing money, but they're in it for the hardware sales, not the downloads.
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post #108 of 156
1/13/10 at 1:30pm
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I guess it's a matter of terminology, but most people seem to make a distinction between the iPhone OS and "OS X", by which they mean the desktop OS. Of course, Apple themselves make that distinction with their naming scheme.

Although I of course agree with you that it's all OS X, my point is that people are getting needlessly worked up about a tablet running the "iPhone OS", as if that were by definition an inferior OS.

Particularly given that a tablet would almost certainly running a tablet specific variant, it seems like a needless worry, to me. The only way it rankles is if you had imagined that a tablet was going to run "OS X", meaning the same software that's on your MacBook Pro, with touch pieces bolted on. I don't think that was ever a reasonable expectation.

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You might, and Apple might -- but consumers on a whole don't, and that is by design. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of iPhone owners who know that the OS on the device has anything to do with OSX is in the low single digits. Even to people who think in terms of an OS, the OS is defined by the UI, not the underlying code.

I’ve never seen where Apple simply refers to the Mac variant as “OS X” when they are also talking about other variants of their OS X umbrella. Even in this pic they are referring to it “OS X Leopard” making a clear distinction.

They’ve since changed up the term to “IPhone OS”, which does sound better. That would make the Mac variant of OS X "Mac OS" or “Snow Leopard OS”, all of which are very clear.
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1/13/10 at 1:34pm
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Ive never seen where Apple simply refers to the Mac variant as OS X when they are also talking about other variants of their OS X umbrella. Even in this pic they are referring to it OS X Leopard making a clear distinction.

Theyve since changed up the, which does sound better, to IPhone OS which makes the Mac variant Mac OS" or Snow Leopard OS, all of which are very clear.


Um, right? But I though you were saying that you viewed "OS X" as the blanket name for all the versions. Whereas Apple (and as Dr. Millmoss points out, the public) makes a distinction between "OS X" (of whatever cat) and "iPhone OS", despite their shared lineage.

At any rate, it seems to me that when people bemoan the fact that a tablet wouldn't run "OS X" that's what they mean-- that the tablet won't run OS X Snow Leopard + touch.

I actually have no idea what we're disagreeing about, if in fact we are.
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1/13/10 at 1:37pm
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inform us as to how you know exactly what the input method will be on the unreleased tablet.

Just sayin'

I dont have to know what Apple has in store to see failed logic of stating a touchscreen tablet will replace notebooks. Glass, plastic, haptic feedback, external keyboard, touch-senstive back panel, voice recognition, etc. None of these will replace a physical keyboard for speed and ease of use for heavy typers. Any shift in the way society inputs text that will replace a physical keyboard will first be seen on a smaller scale and we have to see that in any product.
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1/13/10 at 1:39pm
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But, they could make a duo compiler. Write once, compile twice with one click, like was done with PPC and Intel.

That still doesn't solve the problem that the original screen layout assumes it will be used with a mouse rather than touch. To make a good "touch" app (either iPhone or iSlate) you need to design for touch. Button size / spacing, etc.
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1/13/10 at 1:42pm
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Ive never seen where Apple simply refers to the Mac variant as OS X when they are also talking about other variants of their OS X umbrella. Even in this pic they are referring to it OS X Leopard making a clear distinction.

Right. For Apple, I meant internally. They certainly don't encourage consumers to think of all these operating systems as variants of OSX. Apple has actually worked pretty hard to divorce the iPhone from the commonly understood concept of operating systems, which is a game many believe Apple has already lost. This is just the opposite from the strategy Microsoft has pursued, treating all variants of Windows as subsets of Windows, because they assume that most believe Microsoft has already won that battle. On the surface at least it looks like Microsoft is smart to visibly leverage Windows into other devices, and smart for Apple to not do so, but I think the results are showing that Apple has the sounder strategy.
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1/13/10 at 1:50pm
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Um, right? But I though you were saying that you viewed "OS X" as the blanket name for all the versions. Whereas Apple (and as Dr. Millmoss points out, the public) makes a distinction between "OS X" (of whatever cat) and "iPhone OS", despite their shared lineage.

At any rate, it seems to me that when people bemoan the fact that a tablet wouldn't run "OS X" that's what they mean-- that the tablet won't run OS X Snow Leopard + touch.

I actually have no idea what we're disagreeing about, if in fact we are.

Which is likely why its confusing. The posters here and elsewhere are not all applying the same definition to OS X, which allows for a loss of communication.

I pointed out that even Apple has used the X to denote the iPhone OS back in 2007 and have themselves used the basic OS X to refer to the OS, not the OS specifically for Macs. Perhaps its there fault for switching it up sometime in 2008 and not having a firm marketing handle on the terms, but that doesnt resolve the communication problem that now results.

I understood your post after I stopped and reread it, but most posters arent as clear as you in writing. Some are just downright ambiguous.

Here is an Apple press release using OS X in reference to the iPhone several times. There are others. It wasnt a flux.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/05/13wwdc.html Q: If we are to refer to the Mac OS simply as OS X and never refer to the iPhone OS with an X then what do we call the blanket Darwin OS with all the included frameworks, etc?
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1/13/10 at 2:22pm
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Using the Iphone OS would be very disappointing and limit the usefulness of the device. I would much prefer a touch version of snow leopard with an Iphone emulator.

This will allow iPhone Developers (over 115,000 apps) to use their skillz directly in creating new iSlate apps. Makes lots of sense, really.
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1/13/10 at 2:35pm
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Using the Iphone OS would be very disappointing and limit the usefulness of the device. I would much prefer a touch version of snow leopard with an Iphone emulator.

This will allow iPhone Developers (over 115,000 apps) to use their skillz directly in creating new iSlate apps. Makes lots of sense, really.

Open up your Apps in Slow Leopard and see how well theyd fair if you were to use only your digits to navigate and everything was shrunk down to a 7 or 10 display. Its just not going to work. Any Tablet from Apple will have to run a new arm of OS X, likely called Tablet OS or Tablet OS X. It will have elements from both the iPhone OS and Mac OS, while sharing a lot of the foundations and frameworks across all three. Itll have a new UI that is designed specifically for the tablet I/O which will not be feasible on the iPhone or Mac.
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post #116 of 156
1/13/10 at 2:52pm
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Which is likely why it’s confusing. The posters here and elsewhere are not all applying the same definition to OS X, which allows for a loss of communication.

Yes.

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I pointed out that even Apple has used the “X’ to denote the iPhone OS back in 2007 and have themselves used the basic “OS X” to refer to the OS, not the OS specifically for Macs. Perhaps it’s there fault for switching it up sometime in 2008 and not having a firm marketing handle on the terms, but that doesn’t resolve the communication problem that now results.

Yes, although they've been pretty consistent since the earlier ambiguity. It seems clear that they'd prefer that we think of the iPhone OS as its own thing.

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I understood your post after I stopped and reread it, but most posters aren’t as clear as you in writing. Some are just downright ambiguous.

Right, it's that ambiguity that I was originally lamenting.

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Here is an Apple press release using “OS X” in reference to the iPhone several times. There are others. It wasn’t a flux….

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http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/05/13wwdc.html

Yep, but again, they seem to have settled on "iPhone OS" since then. I dare say the tablet will either use that or "Tablet OS" or "iPhone OS Tablet Edition" or something. I seriously doubt they'll let "OS X" get anywhere near it.

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Q: If we are to refer to the Mac OS simply as OS X and never refer to the iPhone OS with an ‘X’ then what do we call the blanket Darwin OS with all the included frameworks, etc?

Excellent question. Maybe "The OS X Family"? "The OSes Formerly Know as X"? Actually, I'm not adverse to "Mac OS X" as being the desktop designation with "OS X" being reserved for the whole squad, but that doesn't help much with the confusion that people seem to have.
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post #117 of 156
1/13/10 at 2:54pm
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Excellent question. Maybe "The OS X Family"? "The OSes Formerly Know as X"? Actually, I'm not adverse to "Mac OS X" as being the desktop designation with "OS X" being reserved for the whole squad, but that doesn't help much with the confusion that people seem to have.

I’m just gonna stick with iPhone OS, Mac OS, AppleTV OS and Tablet OS all for the OS X family.

on the Prince reference.
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post #118 of 156
1/13/10 at 2:59pm
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I’m just gonna stick with iPhone OS, Mac OS, AppleTV OS and Tablet OS all for the OS X family.

:lol on the Prince reference.

Seems pretty reasonable, I believe I'll follow suit. Perhaps if enough people do that folks will start to get it.

BTW, where's Ireland? He keeps insisting that a tablet will run something he's been calling "Mac OS X Touch" or something. Where does that fit in? I've never been exactly clear what he imagines that to be, but I get the impression he's agitating for more Mac OS and less iPhone.
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post #119 of 156
1/13/10 at 3:02pm
It seems Samsung have been mass producing new 64GB moviNAND chips since December.

I wonder who for?

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1/13/10 at 3:05pm
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Seems pretty reasonable, I believe I'll follow suit. Perhaps if enough people do that folks will start to get it.

Perhaps, iDevice and 3GSM has caught on well enough and those arent used by Apple.

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BTW, where's Ireland? He keeps insisting that a tablet will run something he's been calling "Mac OS X Touch" or something. Where does that fit in? I've never been exactly clear what he imagines that to be, but I get the impression he's agitating for more Mac OS and less iPhone.

His mock ups have always showed Mac OS on them. I figure he expects just some minor UI tweaks to the OS and apps to make them more touch friendly. I cant see that happening. I think that iPhone apps will be likely used in a windowed mode, like with the iPhone Simulator in the SDK, but I dont see any Mac OS X apps being able to natively work on a 7 or 10 tablet.
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