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Read the <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=91&u=/bpihw/20020207/en_bpihw/conservatives_want_fcc_to_look_at_racy_fox_shows" target="_blank">Hollywoo d Reporter article</a>.

[quote] coalition of Christian and conservative groups is calling on federal regulators to investigate the Fox network, claiming that it is systematically violating the nation's indecency rules.

In its letter to FCC chairman Michael Powell, the groups complain that "Boston Public," the David E. Kelley Fox drama that revolves around a high school teachers, has gone way too far in its depiction of sexual activity.

"It is our view that shows like 'Boston Public' and its ilk do not belong in primetime when any child in America can see them," the groups wrote in their letter dated Tuesday.

The groups cited story lines in the show that have included a female candidate for class president performing oral sex on a male opponent in exchange for his support, a student earning extra cash by working as a stripper and a prolonged affair between a teacher and a student.
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Apparently they don't object to good old-fashioned American violence.

Personally I find David E. Kelley's work bombastic and pretentious but I don't think that's ground for government intervention. If these groups don't like what's on their TV they can turn it off. Or boycott advertisers etc.
post #2 of 36
FOXnews is more conservative than the others. It's ironic. Anyway when ever i hear about too much sex and violence on TV I think about the SouthPark movie's most valuable lesson about hypocritical orginazations out to change everything because it doesn't fit into their life agenda. Where's Cartman when you need him?
post #3 of 36
I'm so sick of these losers complaining about what's on tv. Don't watch it if you don't like it. I personally think religion is about the most indecent thing there is, but if someone wants to watch the 700 club I could really give a ****.
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wow... It continues to bother me how much of America views Violence as good old-fashioned family entertainment, and sex as a horrible thing.
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<strong>FOXnews is more conservative than the others.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's difficult to take seriously a "news" channel that employs Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera.
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[quote]Originally posted by trick fall:
<strong>I'm so sick of these losers complaining about what's on tv. Don't watch it if you don't like it. I personally think religion is about the most indecent thing there is, but if someone wants to watch the 700 club I could really give a ****.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Anyway when ever i hear about too much sex and violence on TV I think about the SouthPark movie's most valuable lesson about hypocritical orginazations out to change everything because it doesn't fit into their life agenda.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe people bitch about what's on TV because they care about their culture.
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Maybe people bitch about what's on TV because they care about their culture.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or maybe they bitch about what's on TV because it mostly sucks. Who ever thought Tony Danza was funny.
post #8 of 36
So if it happens on TV its bad, but it happens in real life its ok? And dont say that TV is the cause of it. Even if you distroyed every TV there would still be violence, sex, war, hate, and evil in the world.
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[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
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It's difficult to take seriously a "news" channel that employs Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I like Fox News. All of the news stations are pretty similar to me, but when I watch Fox news I don't have to look and Microsoft logos and I don't have to contribute to Ted Turner, who I think is a bumbling idiot.
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post #10 of 36
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Turner doesn't have much to do with CNN anymore. That's probably why they're trying to copy FOX instead of recommitting to what made them great in the first place - solid and thorough reporting not personality driven shows. Turner is in many ways a flake but he's also a brilliant visionary who did more for television news than anyone in the last 30 years.
post #11 of 36
You're right about David E. Kelly's stuff, glurx.
post #12 of 36
Hell, I love my culture, my country too and it's being destroyed by these intolerant religous freaks. It's time to stand up for what's right...FREEDOM.

I wanna be free to watch as much or as little filth, violence and sex as I want. I'm sick of movies being cut down to make them, gosh it used to be R, but now they're getting cut down to make them PG13. I'm sick of seeing black bars on the Howard Stern Show, I'm sick of cuss words being bleeped or changed. I can't even watch movies on TBS, USA etc. because it irritates me so much that they gut the movies.
post #13 of 36
Ok here I go..why can't people such as the christian coalition and other groups just leave things alone..there is such a thing in this country as FREEDOM OF CHOICE and I suggest they use it. If you or I do not like a certain program, station, movie etc. then move on and don't view it..but who the hell has the right to keep others from the right to view??? The question here is not where has the moral fiber or sensitivity to violence gone, but where has the freedom of one's choice gone. I am sick of AMERICA being run by special interest groups..let each individual decide what is right for him or her as well as the family. We each have the power of choice, change the channel or shut the hell up!!!

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Adding to above rant..
and further more why aren't the concerned parents taking control of the home television? They complain that kids will see sex and so forth during prime time veiwing hours...so why are the CONCERNED parents not regulating their kids? If they were they would not have a complaint now would they...again let's take INDIVIDUAL responsibility here folks and keep tabs on our own home..then you won;t have time to worry about what someone else is doing.
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post #15 of 36
God damn it! I pay for my cable for a reason! I want to watch what ever I want. There are 2 buttons on a tv controller. One cycles up channels and the other down. Use them if you don't like what's on TV! What, are some people so weak mentally if they see something naughty on TV they won't be able to change the channel? Give me a break. And parents should control what their kids see cause that's their job. The TV isn't a baby sitter.
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[quote]I'm sick of seeing black bars on the Howard Stern Show, <hr></blockquote>


---I'm sick of Howard stearn... and this crap goes for American 'culture'?!?!?! This stuff is one reason people hate 'America' . . .because they see this stuff as our biggest export (and McDonalds) and they make the mistake that this is American culture.

I think the conservatives shouldn't waste their time, its one of the negative side effects of a free country : namely that what sells will eventualy become the standard, not what is good, or quality, or thoughtful. . . .therefore we have crappy television that panders to the easiest of interests: sex and violence are easier than physics or philosophy!!


I have been struck with the incredible over reliance on sex as a major plot device on so many new sit-coms: it just is awful. It reduces something really powerfull and mysterious in our lives to this stupid scrabbling for a cheap laugh. And, it really does make sex cheap . . (though not 'cheap' in a sexy sort of way...if ya know what I mean) it makes it meaningless.
So many of these stupid shows throw the word sex around and off-hand suggestive descriptions of the act that it really no longer has anything to do with sex . . . I can imagine that to imprssionable minds (and aren't we all) this constant barrage of stupid guffawing sex jokes would turn our relationship to the deepest parts of ourselves into nothing but a joke . . .


still I am against any moralizing censorship.

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post #17 of 36
Relevant here:

William Blake:
"and they became what they beheld"
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

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post #18 of 36
[quote]Originally posted by Robertp:
<strong>Adding to above rant..
and further more why aren't the concerned parents taking control of the home television?
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again let's take INDIVIDUAL responsibility here folks and keep tabs on our own home..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Gimme a break. You can't watch your kids every second - you wouldn't want to treat them like that even if you could. You want them to be on their own.

You can pick up the trash in your own yard, but if there's trash in your neighborhood, you bitch at people for throwing it there.

At least let's have a debate about content, rather than just saying "if it's legal, it's OK."

And everyone always talks about individual responsibility - but what about Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, et al.? Are they not individuals, too? Do they not have responsibility for the crap that they make?
post #19 of 36
First of all, let's make one thing clear. What's happening on television is a case of the lack of true democracy in the U.S. Most of the stuff on TV disgusts me. Whether it's stuff that trivializes humanity like Jerry Springer and Sally Jesse, or what pfflam mentioned about sex, or a million other things, I can find almost nothing that isn't short sighted, arrogant, and ignorant.

I am sure that at least 50% of this country older than 30 agrees with me and I am not conservative or religious. I'ver heard a thousand people say that there's nothing on TV or that everything is dumned down to the point of idiocy. So if 50% of Americans want television with at least a little bit of true entertainment value like we had in the 70s and early 80s, how come so little of it is being delivered? There is a DRASTIC diffeence between TV then and now.

The answer of course is that Hollywood is pretty close to being an oligopoly. There is competition but it is limited to the same old formulas for the most part. If you look at all the country music albums made today, the cover art of almost every single one is just a photograph of the singer or group. I've never seen this before in any genre of music and it's obvious that the Big Five all agreed to cut costs by not competing on the album cover.

So people have every right to be outraged that the crap on TV doesn't fit in with the world they want to live in or the way they want to raise their kids. But since our government, whether Republican or Democrat, basically lets big business do or destroy anything they want, concerned CITIZENS have an obligation to simply stop giving their money to the corporations who pollute our society and our ethics. But of course Americans talk really big, but when it comes making a real sacrifice you know it's not going to happen. So me and other people who still care are cheated out of the entertainment a competitive market would give us.

And American "freedom" does not mean that anyone should be able to set any television to Jerry Springer that they want. If you want to watch that garbage in your house, you may technically have the right to. But when I'm eating lunch in a pizza place I shouldn't have to hear idiots yelling at each other. I've seen shows where a 19 year old girl says they have been dating someone 20 years older than them since they were 13. Now this is simply child molestation and I should not have to hear about that and even worse hear other fools make jokes or even blame the girl about it. Just because YOU are a lowlife and you don't mind desensitizing yourself to other people's tragedy so you can get your shits and giggles doesn't mean I have to.

And in my own damn country (which I don't feel it is anymore) I shouldn't have to avoid this pizza place or that Blimpie because I know there may be a TV playing stuff that bothers me. I shouldn't have to ask someone if I can change the channel. This is very awkward.


When I was a teenager, you had respect for the way other people wanted to live. When an older person got on the bus you and your friends quieted down and certainly didn't curse because you knew that adults didn't want to hear that. Me and my friends went out of our way to be reasonable to those around us. But now I have to hear Sally Jesse making jokes about Whitney Houston's crack addiction while I'm eating. This is NOT freedom. This is the complete and total abuse and disrespect for the freedoms that we have been given.

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post #20 of 36
[quote] [good programming] like we had in the 70s and early 80s, <hr></blockquote>


:confused: :confused:

ohhh! you must mean Columbo
. . .other than that its pretty much always been bad.
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--Franklin Miller.

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post #21 of 36
I agree with Spindler here mostly.

There are two views I am seeing. It's a free country, don't tell me how to live my life! To those I say, "it's a free country, don't tell me what to say or not to say."" works both ways. If you don't like waht someone has to say, you have the option to stop reading or listening. Same as us having the choice to change the cahnnel. So why are you still here? Curiosity? Train wreck mentatlity? (it's gonna be bad but I can't stop looking...) Same for TV.

The other view is pretty much where I am. Why can;t they put programs on TV that are more wholesome and leave the trash for later at night, cable, or pay per view? that way it is a choice to see it mostly and not an accident that your children happened to see it when you were in the toilet or something.

There is no easy answer, but the former response is simply not cutting it. And the latter is just not too popular with the TV folks. what to do?
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post #22 of 36
Things only appear on TV because there is a demand for it. If no-one watched the sleazy crap, it would be dropped in a second. Its not the TV's fault, Its the low moral standard of culture you live in. Clean that up and the crap on TV would magically disappear.
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[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>Things only appear on TV because there is a demand for it. If no-one watched the sleazy crap, it would be dropped in a second. Its not the TV's fault, Its the low moral standard of culture you live in. Clean that up and the crap on TV would magically disappear.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Careful MarkUK, don't rile up the freedom advocates here with your good sense...

Remeber the Clinton presidency, Morality and Morals don't matter. Character doesn't count either.
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post #24 of 36
MarcUK is right. Much of what you see, read, hear and so forth answers to the lowest common denominator. Ergo, you have "reality" TV, home video disasters, etc.

IMO, television viewing is not beyond the control of parents.
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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Remeber the Clinton presidency, Morality and Morals don't matter. Character doesn't count either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

::sigh::
does clinton bashing have to be brought into every single F***ing thread!
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[quote]The other view is pretty much where I am. Why can;t they put programs on TV that are more wholesome and leave the trash for later at night, cable, or pay per view? that way it is a choice to see it mostly and not an accident that your children happened to see it when you were in the toilet or something. <hr></blockquote>

And who gets to decide what's wholesome and what's trash? I bet there are a lot of things you might find wholesome that I find highly disturbing. I'm even more sure that there are things I would want my children to see that you would be horrified by. I'd have no problem with my kids watching South Park or The Simpsons, but I sure as hell would not want them watching the Fox Family Channel.

We've gone so far as to have parental control TV's and cable boxes and still people complain that there kids might see something they don't want them to see. It's just nuts.
post #27 of 36
[quote]Originally posted by RyanTheGreat:
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::sigh::
does clinton bashing have to be brought into every single F***ing thread! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Like it or not, that was and will continue to be to most overt and publicised view of American (im)morality. The whole world had it paraded before them and there are still those who continue to pretend like it was nothing. This was not Clinton bashing, it was a sad statement of where American morals are going. Get used to it.
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[quote]Originally posted by trick fall:
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And who gets to decide what's wholesome and what's trash? I bet there are a lot of things you might find wholesome that I find highly disturbing. I'm even more sure that there are things I would want my children to see that you would be horrified by. I'd have no problem with my kids watching South Park or The Simpsons, but I sure as hell would not want them watching the Fox Family Channel.

We've gone so far as to have parental control TV's and cable boxes and still people complain that there kids might see something they don't want them to see. It's just nuts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

South Park is wholesome entertainment? How old are you?!? The Simpsons are for the most part fine. And what is wrong with Fox Family Channel? I have never watched it. I find Touched by an Angel wholesome, as I do Seventh Heaven (for the most part). Will And Grace is an example of a show I do not find wholesome. I am sure you disagree, but I doubt you are even over 21.
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post #29 of 36
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>I find Touched by an Angel wholesome</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now if they could just make it entertaining.
post #30 of 36
NoahJ, give me a break.

Give Clinton a rest. I'm not a big fan of him either but he's gone now. And as far as I'm concerned, the only reason Clinton's exploits were so well documented was because everyone was sick of seeing the friggin british royal family on tv every night, re: who was sleeping with who, or divorcing who, or fighting an addiction to what, etc. Talk about unwholesome!

Anyway, the morality of a country doesn't have jack to do with its president. His or her job is to run the country, not worry about whether anyone's going to be offended by who he's having sex with. The fact that the media may or may not be obscene is a reflection of the majority of society. Otherwise, the ratings wouldn't be there! There was trash on TV under Reagan and Bush Sr. just the same as Clinton. Now that The Great Leader Bush Jr. has taken over, it's still around. Does this not indicate to you that who's leading the country doesn't affect what you see on TV?
post #31 of 36
I love South park but i realize there are people out there that either love them fanatically or hate them extremely. Oh well.
post #32 of 36
More like 31 Noah and I don't think I'm the one that needs to grow up.
post #33 of 36
[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:
<strong>NoahJ, give me a break.

Give Clinton a rest. I'm not a big fan of him either but he's gone now. And as far as I'm concerned, the only reason Clinton's exploits were so well documented was because everyone was sick of seeing the friggin british royal family on tv every night, re: who was sleeping with who, or divorcing who, or fighting an addiction to what, etc. Talk about unwholesome!

Anyway, the morality of a country doesn't have jack to do with its president. His or her job is to run the country, not worry about whether anyone's going to be offended by who he's having sex with. The fact that the media may or may not be obscene is a reflection of the majority of society. Otherwise, the ratings wouldn't be there! There was trash on TV under Reagan and Bush Sr. just the same as Clinton. Now that The Great Leader Bush Jr. has taken over, it's still around. Does this not indicate to you that who's leading the country doesn't affect what you see on TV?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Obviously you missed the whole intent of my post as you blindly sailed right by it in defence of Clinton. The point was not that he had a fling with his intern. The point was not even that he did it while married and president of the USA. The point was not even that when called on the carpet for it he lied under oath, lied to the American people to their faces basically (I am sure I can find footage if you disagree), and then lied about lying. After all we don't understand what the real meaning of "is" is. My point is that people such as yourself and others are so willing to give that behavior a pass. One man doing that is a moral problem of his own. His own character is in question. When a nation gives him a pass because they see nothing wrong with it, then you see where the moral fiber of your country is.

Then you understand why there is such trash on TV. Then you begin to see why those same said people don't see it as trash, but only entertainent that hurts nobody so long as they view it in their own homes, privately. The problem is there, you can deny it, you can tell me to grow up, you can say what you want. (I am still stunned that a 31 year old sees nothing wrong with his children watching South Park. Stunned.)

TV is getting trashier and trashier. It used to be that the jokes were all innuendo and suggestion but no real oomph. Now they come right out and stop just short of showing the people having sex on live TV. And this is not a problem? I have done plenty of growing up myself, 2 kids causes you to look at life a bit more closely to be sure that you are doing what is right for them. And what is on TV for the most part is not right for kids. (Really, you are 31 and have kids?)

Now excuse me but I am going to watch the Simpsons.
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Apparently FOX News is employing imbeciles at all levels not just as on-air talent. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/03/07/DD44956.DTL" target="_blank">To wit</a>:

[quote] Apparently there are no watchdogs anywhere at Fox. Over at Fox News (we say "news" loosely), this actually happened: On Feb. 22, a producer phoned Ray Richmond, a freelance entertainment journalist and co-creator of a humor site called HollywoodPulse.com, and asked if Richmond would come on, apparently as some kind of media expert, to talk about Paula Poundstone and whether she was getting preferential treatment in regard to her well-documented legal troubles with her children.

In a brilliant send-up of how guests and experts are chosen for news shows, Richmond said yes, and his interview was taped three days later. The story aired March 1, with Richmond playing straight guy. Apparently nobody at Fox News bothered to look at HollywoodPulse.com, or the Poundstone story (did they just Google her name or something?) because the satire was pretty damn clear. The Web site's headline: "Poundstone granted 'supervised' child abuse."

As Richmond wrote in a follow-up on the site, Fox News was "completely unaware of the fact" that he "represented an entertainment Web zine comprised entirely of satire and spoof. . . . All anyone at the network would have had to do is actually have read the first paragraph of the (Web site piece about Poundstone) to discover it was 100 percent crap."

New slogan for Fox News: We report on satire; you decide if it's news.

A Fox News spokesman replied, "It's a well-known fact that Ray Richmond is a media whore and is trying to extend his five minutes of fame."

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<a href="http://www.hollywoodpulse.com/story1.html" target="_blank">Hollywood Pulse</a>
post #35 of 36
BRussel,

Anyone who has enough time to complain about what's on TV, hasn't much culture to speak of. Less offensive television isn't going to repair cultural deficits. People watch TV to fill in the voids in culture and community. For this purpose at least, neither fluff nor filth will much improve anything.

You don't have to watch your children all the time, but you don't have to order cable either (even basic).
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post #36 of 36
Is television a product or a right?

That's your answer. Would you buy/wear a suit you thought looked awful? I hope not. Why do people insist on buying television that they so vehemently despise? Is there really nothing else.

It's just laziness. Even if you don't have any money there are a wealth of public libraries, community centers, extra-curricular school activities, continuing education classes, volunteer opportunities, etc. They're virtually free, you could easily displace all those TV hours into 'alternative pastime' hours. Easily. People who want TV remade to their tastes have to realize that TV won't change it's product unless it stops selling.

Be honest about what you want.
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