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You would use it the same way as a pad of paper. Something humans have been doing since long before computers were invented.

I get that, but it still has a clunky inelegant air about it. That is most definitely not Apple-like. I can't throw the iSlate down on my desk like I do a pad. I can't leave the iSlate on the edge of a server in the rack and knock it to the floor accidentally like I do a paper pad. I most likely won't be able to hold on to the much heavier iSlate for long periods of time like I can a pad. Does a paper note pad really need to be computerized?

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Why do you think Apple wouldn't apply their notorious high margins (aka Apple Tax) to netbooks and a mid-range tower? A $700 10-11" netbook and a $1400 mid range tower would both be profitable and popular. I'd buy the tower for sure, but will not spend almost $2700 on a MacPro. Again different needs.

Almost everyone agrees Macs are better than PCs but Mac market share continues to be a blip. Their very limited product range is a huge reason for that.

Of course market share is not a valid measure of success of a company. Profit is. Cash on hand is. Apple has loads of both. Yes I too wonder why they do not have a mid line tower. My guess is that it violates their design ethos of minimalism and quality. They don't want too many models like they had in the early 90s. They don't want to sell junk computers. I say this typing on my 6 year old rev A 867MHz 12" Powerbook running Leopard. It just won't quit.
post #122 of 201
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I get that, but it still has a clunky inelegant air about it. That is most definitely not Apple-like. I can't throw the iSlate down on my desk like I do a pad. I can't leave the iSlate on the edge of a server in the rack and knock it to the floor accidentally like I do a paper pad. I most likely won't be able to hold on to the much heavier iSlate for long periods of time like I can a pad. Does a paper note pad really need to be computerized?

Then again I wouldn't recommend throwing a laptop around or leaving it in places where it might be knocked to the ground either.
post #123 of 201
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Nearly all the flame ridden, internet forum, arguments about Apple ... boil down to just two things.

1. If an Apple product doesn't fulfil my needs, it will be a commercial failure.

2. If I don't like Apple's business practice then it must be illegal.

You can boil that down even further:

1. If a product doesn't fulfil my needs, it will be a commercial failure.

2. If I don't like a company's business practice then it must be illegal.

This is the state of tech journalism and comment.
post #124 of 201
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

See you mentioned that a device using the "iBook" name would have to be a hinged before. But i disagree.

I feel Steve wouldn't though. I just know he'd say something lie that, cause it just makes sense.
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post #125 of 201
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Originally Posted by aldonius View Post

I take it for granted that Apple has solutions to the input and ergonomics side of things.

That is the one point that worries me actually.
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post #126 of 201
Has as much hot air been vented about a product that doesn't exist yet? Or a market to sustain it.

I know I'd like a tablet. But what it will or will not be...seems to be the emotive crux of the debate on our 'imaginary friend.'

I guess we will find out on the 27th.

A good article from Appleinsider. Maybe their best yet.

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post #127 of 201
The iPhone successful? Yes.
Do most people run apps on it more often then other mobile devices? Yes
Do more individuals browse the internet on it more often then other smart phones? Yes
Does this mean that it runs "on the road" applications to the fullest potential of a mobile device? NO


Why? screen size period.

You can complain about OS4.0 vs OSX all day, but the reality of the success of mobile computing for the average Joe (95% of target market) vs super Joe (5% of target market who wants to run Adobe and FinalCut on a tablet) is simply screen size.

The tablets success will be ultimately decided by it's ability to replace what most people carry in old fashion form today. (books, magazines, daily planners, finance trackers) . Does the iPhone do that now? Yes, but people still have a choice between a iPhone size screen or the much larger paper copy. The reality is that there are a ton of people who do not find the screen size appealing.

The tablets success will be also propelled by it's ability to provide added mobile value to those beyond the use of paper & pen products. Gaming, internet, navigation, etc.

____end of 2 cents___

personally I want to see a calendar app in month view where i can actually see the written contents of the day, like a real hang on the wall calender. Can the iPhone do this? no. May a tablet? yes.

I want a finance app that shows more then 10 lines of transactions and possibly a more than 2 columns.

The excel apps and pdf viewers that you can go to page view and actually just stay in full page view without having to pinch to zoom.

I guess I could go on but that's the purpose of the tablet. It's not running full versions of iWeb or iMovie or PS. For that you get a laptop.
post #128 of 201
To all you doubting that the iSlate (iBook, macTouch call it what you will) willbe a success...

Worry no more, I have seen the future, they will sell by the bucketload.

Just call me Nostradamus.
post #129 of 201
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That's a great comprehensive analytical article -I really enjoyed it!

It's all interesting, but again, is there a market for a Tablet? I enjoy the iPhone immensely as, in addition to phoning and texting, I can surf, get and post email, and play my tunes and take a photo and lots and lots of other stuff. But the really great thing about the iPhone is that it fits in my pocket. It's effortless to take with me. A tablet on the other hand, for all intents and purposes, will be about as effortless as a laptop - which takes far more effort than carrying an iPhone.

I wonder whether Apple will be marketing the tablet as a worthy substitute for the laptop? Laptops have media drives which are often very useful. I wonder whether Apple have found room in their tablet for a DVD media drive?

's see's a middle ground that the new version of newton will fill

it will be a hand held computer running full MAC OSX and beyond that it will be a blank slate . . Until the itouch crazies decide for us what MASTER OR MASTERS will this device serve ??
will the gamers take it over like the touch crowd ??
will doctor lawyers and indian chiefs use it a as portable video/data interactive field device

field utility worker's , working for gas electric etc etc type >> companies doing work far from the main office could make this newton a revolutionary all in one on the spot fix it device . giving the home office a live video feed of trouble on the ground and dispatch repair people in minutes in stead of days .
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Well, the hugissime material titled "history of tablet computing" somewhat surprisingly makes it apparent, that there was no tablet in the history of computing.

For starters, nobody knows how to sell tablets (hoping to see your market analysis, Prince). Yup, it seldom matters how good a product is inside itself. It's always about how you're going to sell it. There're now Apple's 70/30 scheme, persistent DRM compliance, Apple's notoriety in inviting content providers and distribution (carriers), some other cherries on top of cake, too.

Then, there's no a single ubuntu on the market so far, which could have reached sufficient degree of modularity to successfully fit the form factor. Apple seems to be first to have bred the gang of their cats to make this happen.

Gestures. We're just at the very beginning of the commercial civil exploration on this branch of human-machine interaction design and ergonomics. And Apple again seems to have not the worst parcel ever to get started with unearthing of what valuable could be in there.


agreed no one does no how to sell a blank screen
the market will teach us shortly << bored housewives may be the surprise market we all ignore >>
BUT like the ipodtouch the market will tell apple what it wants ,,,,,
people like mac tripper will scream and scream and apple will listen adjust to each market slice >>
again apple froze 3 products this decade
THE classic plastic WHITE MB is still hanging a round way past its life cycle
the ipod classic with its tiny screen survives as a cheap portable 160 g dream machine .
and the ipod touch has froze into gaming music wifi device , apple lets apps and faster /more powerful components improve this frozen form ipod touch
the ipod touch is killing iphone sales ,yet apple could not kill it off



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All of that and not a single mention of Apple's Inkwell? Certainly was/is an indication that Apple has long supported the notion of tablet computing even if it was only supported by third parties for the Mac.

ink well ? wow
did not apple have a lap top that plugged into a larger computer ??
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It would seem that most would find common ground on some points:

(1) Steven Jobs is not interested in running with the pack, even a pack of which he might currently be top dog.
<YES>
(2) Apple will surely leverage the iTunes store.
<YES>
(3) Current iPhone/iTouch applications will run on the device (if there is one ).
<YES>
(4) The MacTouch (thanks Ireland!) will not cannibalise existing sales.
<NO NO NO> IT WILL EXPAND AND SHRINK MARKETS AT THE SAME TIME MBP AND I TOUCH WILL SUFFER WILL SLOWER GROWTH
(5) The MacTouch will not be an owner's primary phone!!! \
<YES> or not yet 20 14 will look better for this
(6) The device will run a unique OS that is based on OS X.
<NO > itT WILL RUN MAC OS X S J KEEPS IT SIMPLE
(7,...,n) Points that I haven't mentioned!

So, how about some more that we might not all agree on:

(n+1) This might be Steven Jobs' (generation's) last opportunity to lay out a practical (as in - with actual hardware) vision for the future of (personal) computing.

(n+2) Hardware and software will rapidly become vastly more powerful and capable.

(n+3) The MacTouch could act as a window (sorry for the term) on the high level computing capability of other systems including notebooks, desktops, supercomputers and the cloud including systems running any particular OS.

This happens now. The browser on my computer interacts with any number of other computers running operating systems that I know nothing about. Perhaps the MacTouch will do this for personal (local and distributed) computing. For all intents and purposes, I might be running iTunes (locally) or CS4 (remotely) or Photoshop or Mathematica or whatever. All this and not restricted to a particular OS.

Then, as time goes on, more functionality comes on board, while access grows to other vastly more capable software residing elsewhere. I might pay a fee for using particular software on a particular computing system anywhere on Earth from which I can reach it. A supercomputer in my hands. Computing centres could spring up offering all sorts of services - probably however, Apple would offer the most capability! Once companies such as Adobe realise that perhaps they stand to profit much more from services than just selling (very expensive) software, they'll come on board and add amazing handheld feature oriented client software also.

Most of the useful output from a computer can be displayed in the form of an image, a table or a graph, a video or a sound, an alert or text say - all or most of which I would have thought, would be suited to a 10" display.

With the services that Apple has put in place (a requirement I believe, that Steven Jobs has been quoted as saying were essential for tablet computing) and the industrial design that would be brought to bear, Apple would command this space, even in spite of all the tablet/handheld designs out there.

If everyone who owns a computer bought this handheld window on worldwide computing and on their own system, Apple would have 100% of the market!



No point.



Apple won't.



It could virtually.



I think so too!



I think we agree on this point.



The MacTouch will not replace your MB but what a great team they'd be!



Exactly!

it will be coined the newton
it will HAVE A STYLUS

IT WILL BE 9.5" X 6 " LAB COAT SIZE

IN THREE 3 WE WILL HAVE 3 VERSIONS OF THIS MACHINE

BORED HOUSE WIVES
GAMERS NERDS ?>? GRAPHIC PEOPLE , SCORES OF INDUSTRIES
SCHOOLS
AMONG THE APPLE FAN BOYS WHO will any thing  <YES>

it will spur sales of all  products

my 2cts



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post #130 of 201
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great guessing game, the name.

bet it is one word, two syllables ("iPod touch" has never really caught on, too long, everyone just says "the touch").

bet the first syllable is either "i" or "Mac" (ok, pretty obvious).

and the second syllable? iTab is owned by someone else, but MacTab is available. iTouch might be confusing, but MacTouch is possible. iBook and MacBook have both been used before, so no. "Slate" i really can't believe - that implies writing, a stylus. iPad or MacPad are both available.

were it up to me, i'd name it the iPad, to take maximum advantage of the iPod's popularity. but of course it is up to Steve.

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post #131 of 201
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

100% correct!

Nearly all the flame ridden, internet forum, arguments about Apple ... boil down to just two things.

1. If an Apple product doesn't fulfil my needs, it will be a commercial failure.

2. If I don't like Apple's business practice then it must be illegal.

No kidding. But on the other hand, if someone says something reasonable like this

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but some of us come from the other direction. if the new iPad/whatever were just an enlarged Touch i'd buy it, since that is all i absolutely need. and that's true for enough consumers that it would be a commercial success. i think it is very safe to assume it will do everything the Touch can.

they get called a self-centered fanboy, most likely by those who constantly make arguments 1. and 2.

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You're underestimating just how capable the iPhone OS really is.

A lot of people seem to be. Especially if the version of iPhone OS to be on the tablet isn't the same as the current version of iPhone OS.
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Putting Mac OS X on a tablet is like putting a steering wheel on a motorcycle.
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post #132 of 201
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Then again I wouldn't recommend throwing a laptop around or leaving it in places where it might be knocked to the ground either.

That kind of goes without saying, so why did you say it?
post #133 of 201
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

That kind of goes without saying, so why did you say it?

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
Robert A. Heinlein

so many day old lap tops get a full cup of hot coffee spilled on them
and so it goes
welsh dog dude while your correct your also naive and shy to what really happens out there


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post #134 of 201
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Originally Posted by Glockpop View Post

Apple does not "tax" its own products. The Mac, iPod and iPhone are no more expensive than similarly equipped gear from other reputable vendors. A tax is something levied by an authority to collect money on a variety of transactions under its control.

Thank you Captain Asperger for taking setting new standards in taking things literally.


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Netbooks are getting hyped and selling, but they are not profitable for anyone. Apple used to sell $1400 mini towers called "Performa," which is why it almost went out of business. Nobody is making money selling either outside of teenage PC DIY kids who screw together components without a warranty. (Because servicing a warranty would kill their profits).

Ahhh, the old "ZOMG!! Don't you know Apple almost went bankrupt 15 years ago by offering choice!!!" argument. Thank you for clarifying that having a mid range tower was the culprit. And here I was thinking it was poor leadership, bad marketing, lack of compelling products, a clone market, an aging OS, and slower CPUs that caused Apple's problems back then.
post #135 of 201
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"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
Robert A. Heinlein

so many day old lap tops get a full cup of hot coffee spilled on them
and so it goes
welsh dog dude while your correct your also naive and shy to what really happens out there


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Uhhhh, right

Considering I'm 52 years old and the operations manager and IT person at a Mac centric video post production company, I don't accept your characterization of naivety and shyness on my part.

Time to change your bong water?
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Uhhhh, right

Considering I'm 52 years old and the operations manager and IT person at a Mac centric video post production company, I don't accept your characterization of naivety and shyness on my part.

Time to change your bong water?

you beefed o mighty apple warrior dude about some one warning about laptop mishaps

well i quoted heinlein

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and when did a mac anything need an IT guy ???
you must be bored ??

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post #137 of 201
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There will be a tablet. Stop saying there won't be. This was exactly like the time just before the iPhone launched, a whole lot of people here were saying Apple won't release a phone. There's going to be a tablet in a few weeks, just deal with it. Making the iPhone much more powerful would kill the battery, you can't avoid that fact. Also, Apple stand to make a lot more money by making a tablet and the iPhone, getting money from you twice, and not simply for a screened iPhone peripheral, but a full cost computing device.

The tablet will be called Mac touch, or I'll eat my hat. I also have a sneaking feeling as of late it may actually have an OLED display. They can charge even more that way, make more money, and have superb viewing angles and contrast that would give this device an ever more revolutionary feel about it. Plus it would help make the tablet even thinner and give it improved battery performance, and super display refresh rates.

Imagine watching a letter-boxed movie on this thing, when the black letterbox top and bottom boarders are "OFF", the movie would pop like you can't imagine.

Love your OLED thinking...just one thing, who's making a 10" OLED panel?
post #138 of 201
oh yes, velocity-sensitive, er, pressure sensitive input on a <$1k touchscreen computing device would be a dream come true for creative/performance computing, for me anyway. srsly.

I'll throw my wild speculation about names: AppleCore

also, i'll throw my hat in the ring with the folks who think revolutionary improvements in the usability of handwriting & voice recognition&control, and videophone (charmingly simple) will make the device mad useful and desirable.

the how to hold and view issue distracts me. considered making a photoshop of the steadycam harness holding the AppleCore (heh). It seems so fragile!

mm, now it sounds all wrong again.
post #139 of 201
face recognition with the embedded camera: press the screen in a corner and the AppleCore will launch an application based on your facial expression or hand gesture. throw a gang sign to chat, smile to launch videophone & say your friends name. all. working. seamlessly.

it's my day off, i can have a few little pipe-dreams.
post #140 of 201
secret licensing deal with James Cameron to call it the Avatar

oh i better stop this
post #141 of 201
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There are plenty of Windows 7 tablets out there. Maybe those would better suit your fancy (they don't seem to that popular though). What people want out of this rumored tablet never ceases to amaze me. A sub $1000 tablet would likely run on netbook level hardware as is suggested in almost every thread, and Arm not Atom (so not x86). Hardware wise, that pegs it as a netbook replacement, not a laptop replacement. This shouldn't be expected to replace your laptop unless you use your laptop as a netbook.

Historically tablets have cost more than their touch less counterparts. Apple wont break any new ground here. If you want a tablet to replace a macbook, expect it to cost more than a macbook. If you want one to replace a macbook pro, expect it to cost more than a macbook pro. Of course as you increase cost, you dramatically decrease the number of perspective buyers.

Where Apple will break new ground is in doing things a traditional computing device doesn't, ease of use, and content delivery. For that, you have to deviate a lot from the traditional desktop OS. I think an OS (and apps) designed and optimized for the hardware and touch input provides a much better starting point than OSX does.

Furthermore, can you name one feature of iPhone OS 4.0? You can't because Apple hasn't introduced it yet. An Apple tablet based on iPhone OS would be running at least iPhone OS 4.0 with (likely) a custom UI, if not its own version altogether. Think forward, not backwards. If the hardware was capable and there was demand, you would get your apps on iPhone OS and when you did, they would be optimized for the hardware and designed for a touch screen. Why do so many people want to go down the failed windows route?

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Comprehensive except it talked about PDAs and not tablets. Blowing off the entire Table PC evolution with a sentence is hardly useful in discussing historical successes and failures of tablet.

No mention of TransNote, Motion Computing, the uses of tablets in the medical industry (one of the few tablet successful niche areas). Zero discussion of slate vs convertible tablets and why convertibles beat slates. No mention of OneNote from Microsoft or Inkwell from Apple or even the freaking modbook.

PDAs, Palm, Newton, iPhones are all not tablets. Even there he got PDA history wrong. PDAs didn't die because of the dot bomb left no market for "executive toys" but because they evolved to become SMARTPHONES. Jeez. Crackberries killed PDAs (and Palm) starting 2002 with the 5810 and java apps. Emerging smartphones (and just smarter regular phones) cratered trditional PDA growth finally killing it entirely. Palm being idiots didn't help but the writing was on the wall in 2002 and the great extinction started in 2004 and declared dead by pundits because of phones.

I concur. PDAs died because wireless smartphones were taking over.
post #143 of 201
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There will be a tablet. Stop saying there won't be. This was exactly like the time just before the iPhone launched, a whole lot of people here were saying Apple won't release a phone. There's going to be a tablet in a few weeks, just deal with it. Making the iPhone much more powerful would kill the battery, you can't avoid that fact. Also, Apple stand to make a lot more money by making a tablet and the iPhone, getting money from you twice, and not simply for a screened iPhone peripheral, but a full cost computing device.

The tablet will be called Mac touch, or I'll eat my hat. I also have a sneaking feeling as of late it may actually have an OLED display. They can charge even more that way, make more money, and have superb viewing angles and contrast that would give this device an ever more revolutionary feel about it. Plus it would help make the tablet even thinner and give it improved battery performance, and super display refresh rates.

Imagine watching a letter-boxed movie on this thing, when the black letterbox top and bottom boarders are "OFF", the movie would pop like you can't imagine.

MacTouch ftw!!!.......or iPad.
post #144 of 201
I'm curious if there will be more than one model, like 7inch and 10inch, x86 and ARM...
Personally I think that would be great. Oh and when they start shipping, I will definitly buy.
It will not replace my MacBook, Desktop or iPhone, it will be added as just another nice Apple play toy.
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Thank you for your attention.

Now, to the topic at hand.

Okay, here's my prediction at this stage.

Apple has to give a one week's notice to the Technomedia which means an invitation Monday or Tuesday next week for a Jan 27th or 28th event. If by next weekend we don't see an invitation then obviously Apple is going to move this event to Feb.

My prediction is that the week of Jan 25th to 31st is going to be huge. With Jan 25th Apple announcing results then Jan 27th the special event.

Now to the Tablet.

It will not be called Mac Touch (sorry, Ireland). iSlate is very possible, alongside resurrecting the iBook name. iPad or NetPad possible too.

Tablet is 10", LED not OLED, super cool touch, gesture, app store (will run your EXISTING iphone apps) but there will be app development for Tablet only. A more powerful ARM CPU and GPU.

Functions:

1. Web browsing, apps, media at home/ on the go when you don't want to take your whole notebook. I'm at the golf club (my parents play, I'm waiting for them) typing this and I would love taking a tablet for after gym/golf/etc and having *enough* functionality on a large enough screen without needing a full blown laptop. Meaning 2 to 3 hours possible usage.

2. Games. Expect this to be important.

3. eBook Reader. Essential.

4. EDUCATION <-- this is huge. iPod and iPhone learning is useful, but screen is limited. For K-12, especially K-6 where a MacBook for each child may be a bit out of their scope, the Tablet would be ideal. With all the Apps, Podcasts, web browsing, and so on.

5. Vertical markets eg. Medical

Now, the Tablet is not going to be the next great iPhone. Mac, iPod and iPhone will continue to grow and evolve at Apple's preferred pace. The Tablet rounds out their offerings and gives a brand boost in 2010 and, I think, can do 10 million units in 2010 easily, if at $699 and $799 price points.

Syncs with Mac and PC. Has webcam in front and camera at back.

$699 model is 32GB with WiFi only. $799 is 64GB with WiFi and 3G functionality. However the 3G function would mean bundling with carriers which Apple is going to negotiate. Apple has not started these negotiations in earnest yet for 3G functionality because there is too much potential for devastating leaks.

Edit: NO STYLUS.

Edit2: The Netbook/Ultralight market is not going anywhere, but this will be Apple's and the "Premium" take on this market.
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I'm curious if there will be more than one model, like 7inch and 10inch, x86 and ARM...
Personally I think that would be great. Oh and when they start shipping, I will definitly buy.
It will not replace my MacBook, Desktop or iPhone, it will be added as just another nice Apple play toy.

It's "there's an app for that" not "there's a tablet for that".

So only one model, 10". It will not replace MacBook, Desktop or iPhone or iPod. But 10 million units globally in 2010? To people who already have iPhones and Macs and PCs? I think it is possible.

Like I said, I need one when chilling at home, and before/after gym, and as a eBook reader/ tablet/ etc when travelling where I don't need a full laptop.
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Originally Posted by JaylikeBird View Post

secret licensing deal with James Cameron to call it the Avatar

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face recognition with the embedded camera: press the screen in a corner and the AppleCore will launch an application based on your facial expression or hand gesture. throw a gang sign to chat, smile to launch videophone & say your friends name. all. working. seamlessly.

it's my day off, i can have a few little pipe-dreams.

No problem. As our ideas go into the global consciousness things will bubble. A shipping product is not always the final say on the matter. We can always dream.

There is still a chance that there is NO TABLET this year OR EVER.
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

False. First other folks besides Motion make slates. Viewsonic, Tablet Kiosk and Fujitsu to name three off the cuff...not including the new slates from HP, dell, etc seen at CES.

Well... Formally speaking, no, my statement wasn't exactly true. There's kinda list of computers sporting true tablet form factor. Moreover, Apple's tablet already exists! (Made by someone else and shown at MacWorld in 2009)



Yet, we have to be extremely careful when listing tablets just by maker. Fujitsu doesn't make tablets. They make convertible laptop computers.
Yet another thing to mention is tablets are now rather niche products, which don't impact the industry much.
And, no, I'm not going to count tablets just having been shown at last CES. Too early. They're no more than kinda prototypes.


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Second, convertible tablets ARE tablets. Hence the "tablet" in the name. When fllipped they act just like slates, just a little heavier and thicker due to the keyboard. The key requirement is some kind of ink technology to capture user input and a digitizer to provide that input.

As soon as a device has a full-dimensional physical keyboard, it's no more tablet, it's convertible laptop computer. Fujitsu "tablets" weight 5 lbs and are 1.5" thick, while MBA weights 3.0 lbs and measures only 0.76".

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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

From your definition then the upcoming iSlate wont be a tablet either.

Had we but names to squabble over, I'd say iSlate will never exist. OK, whatever the thing is, I don't think it has full-dimentional physical keyboard.

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For some reason Appleinsider missed a few of the real, slate-style tablets out there. Most are used in rather specialized industries though. An example i used in another thread, motion computing, markets primarily to the medical arena. There are companies that market to the automotive arena too, etc.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. I just expanded on it a bit more to show why tablets are rather niche products being poorly known today.

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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

It will not be called Mac Touch (sorry, Ireland). iSlate is very possible, alongside resurrecting the iBook name. iPad or NetPad possible too.

Pick one name.

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Tablet is 10", LED not OLED.

You're probably right about this, though I desperately hope you are wrong. OLED is so much better than LED-Backlit LCD. The difference is huge! I repeat, HUGE!
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You're probably right about this, though I desperately hope you are wrong. OLED is so much better than LED-Backlit LCD. The difference is huge! I repeat, HUGE!

As is the price tag. Ill be surprised if it has OLED. Happy, because the price mens little to me, but still surprised.
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Pick one name....

Macbooklet
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... OLED is so much better than LED-Backlit LCD. The difference is huge! I repeat, HUGE!

Is OLED hard to see in the sun? Or is that FUD I got from somewhere.
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Macbooklet

"Introducing the iTabBookMacTouchSlatePad"
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with all the fun speculating here, no one has raised the issue of the iWhatever's aspect ratio and screen resolution. which makes a big difference for its integration with other consumer devices - its ecosystem.

the iPhone aspect ratio is 3:2. will the iThing have the same? so iPhone apps would need only to be scaled up for its display? rather than windowed like a widget?

if then the screen resolution were 1280x854, the iThing could display 16:9 media at 1280x720 without any scaling. which would be great for compatibility with all HD content from/to any device and iTunes.

or something else entirely different?
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I'm not really all that sure that using photoshop on a tablet is all that appealing anyway. Surely a bigger screen is much better for such software?

I see so many people here claiming that they want to use CS 4 on this tablet that I have to wonder if they are honestly designers. It isn't just a question of screen size either. Even if such apps did run on the tablet I don't think people would see them as productivity apps at all. Rather they will be seen as tools to use in a pinch.

In any event iPhone OS is already fully capable of running such apps. All you really needis a larger screen and maybe a few more tools in the framework. It still amazes me that we see people daily expressing the opinion that iPhone OS isn't capable of running apps.


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Originally Posted by jlebrech View Post

Dear Mr Jobs,

Please make it have xcode

I understand but XCode is a hungery program. It eats RAM and screen real estate like crazy. If the tablet is powerful enough to run XCode I will be very impressed.

As an alternative I'd love to see either a Python or Ruby based scripting environment. That would allow for on device development of light weight apps. This would be most excellent but probably will never happen. In away it would be a throw back to the old days of computing when every device had a BASIC built in.


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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Well... Formally speaking, no, my statement wasn't exactly true. There's kinda list of computers sporting true tablet form factor. Moreover, Apple's tablet already exists! (Made by someone else and shown at MacWorld in 2009)

I wouldnt call the Axiotron ModBook Apples tablet. Its a tablet made from Apples MacBook and running Apples Mac OS X, but the tablet formation is all Axiotron.

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Yet, we have to be extremely careful when listing tablets just by maker. Fujitsu doesn't make tablets. They make convertible laptop computers.
Yet another thing to mention is tablets are now rather niche products, which don't impact the industry much.
And, no, I'm not going to count tablets just having been shown at last CES. Too early. They're no more than kinda prototypes.

I think we can count convertible notebooks as also being tablet devices. If it can be used as a tablet without accessing the keyboard and the display is the primary means of input while being held then I think it counts.

But I see your point and I suppose it depends on the topic, perhaps well need to qualify statement as dedicated tablet devices in order to specifically exclude these convertible notebooks which wont be able to compete with dedicated tablets on size and weight.
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Now, the Tablet is not going to be the next great iPhone. Mac, iPod and iPhone will continue to grow and evolve at Apple's preferred pace. The Tablet rounds out their offerings and gives a brand boost in 2010 and, I think, can do 10 million units in 2010 easily, if at $699 and $799 price points.

I think your partially correct. I think it will be the next great big thing. I don't think it's going to be earth shattering but I do think it's going to be a bigger hit than you (and many others) think.
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It is bad enough that people underestimate the capability of iPhone OS here but the negativity towards ARM is uninformed.

ARM supplies IP for the cores used in many Apple products. The newest versions A8 & A9 are very good processors and are known to be capable of easily out running ATOM. More importantly this IP can be integrated into a SoC that can be highly tailored to the builders needs. That means an A9 based SoC can have anywhere from 1 to 4 cores with caches and other support circuitry custom sized.

Add to this a OpenCL compliant GPU and you end up with a heterogenous computing environment. Put a frame buffer on that SoC and you should be able to lower power significantly while increasing the performance of that SoC. With careful engineering and good software design Apple should be able to match the performance of many of todays Wndows based laptops.

That is no BS and depends upon how agressive Apple will be with this first spin. The key here is that the whole device might max out at 8 to 10 watts. That is a bit more than iPhones 2.5 watts max but is very doable with a larger battery. I think things look really good for Apples first PA Semi based device.


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